SPOILER

DJPop wrote:

BPMx0.25 is unrankable.

That's no problem, just divide the slider velocity by 2 and you'll get your old speeds back.

1. offset 22.180, signature 3/4
2. offset 25.780, signature 4/4
3. offset 47.380, signature 3/4
4. offset 64.180, signature 4/4
5. offset 88.180, signature 7/4 *
6. offset 94.480, signature 4/4

FireballFlame wrote:

blah blah blah ...

Krisom wrote:

Includes a nice colorhax at the end.

TKiller wrote:

[Prayed]

00:05:388 (1) - new combo on last note in the stack is frustrating a bit, I think. And it doesn't look good for my eyes either
Fixed.

00:11:538 (6,7) - imo needs more spacing
Fixed.

00:13:788 - 00:21:888 - hearing normalhit sound on every slider is boring and kind of disturbing, try alternating it with softwhistle, you'll probably like it
Added.

00:36:588 (7,10) - why no finishes here?
Intended.

00:37:488 (11) - I'd made that 1,6 spaced like the triples before
???

00:47:388 - 00:54:438 - add some softwhistles?
Added.

01:13:788 - 01:23:238 - I understand why previous part had no hitsounds, but this one seriously needs some softwhistles. And probably some finishes.
Added.

02:16:488 - 02:18:813 - please, please don't make spacing gaps in streams, even if they are slow like these. It frustrates a lot. I can't force you to change them and this stream isn't impossible even for me (I am bad at mouse control), but please keep this note in mind
Changed a bit.

02:29:688 - add 3 more notes here please. Map will be even more fun if you add them
I can't sync those notes certainly.


Krisom's diff has some pretty ridiculous for me spacings so I'll keep myself from commenting on it.
Even me think like you, inclined...

mikhe wrote:

seven levels? rankeable??

Garven wrote:

Video.

http://puu.sh/s7t

Blame Krisom. :V

Garven wrote:

Krisom said you wanted the vid that he had just without sound, which had that box effect applied. Ah well, here's another one at 10 megs that looks a little better due to higher resolution. Still artifacts like crazy due to the background gradient though. :/
http://puu.sh/smL
Thanks

lovhin456 wrote:

General;
- Your mp3 is 256 kbps, but if you submitted before the rule of "no mp3s that are more than 192 kbps" was up then that's fine
It's VBR. The bit rate shows the song's most value, average is 160kbps.

Skin;
- Fruit catcher shouldn't be cirno, she has nothing to do with this song ... maybe use this one I made ??
Really appreciated
- Delete play-skip-0 and play-skip-1, they aren't used
Deleted.
- Maybe use these spinner-osu, spinner-clear and spinner-spin ?? I think they would look good
Added.
- No comboburst ?? ;w;
Can't find any good one ;w;

jericho2442 wrote:

Krisom's Intense
slider tick rate 1 please, 0.5 dont really suit it

jericho2442 wrote:

Easy
01:00:588 (3) - this note timing is REALLY odd and dont play good, just a normal note at 01:00:888 plays much better
I don't like it ;_;

Normal
00:50:688 - a note would go great here
Not much fit imo.
01:01:788 (1) - this dont really need a new combo on, remove it i say
Fixed.

Hard
02:14:388 - add a note here so flows with 02:14:688 (2,3) atm its REALLY odd with them being different even though the music is the same
Added.

Krisom's Intense
slider tick rate 1 please, 0.5 dont really suit it
Fixed.

jericho2442 wrote:

ok first off i did some asking around and the 6 diff limit includes taiko and CTB diff's, so sorry but your gonna have to remove something since your diff are over the max amount. srry :/

thekillerhjkhjk wrote:

[general]
first timing section sounds better as 200.07 bpm
200bpm is better imo.
english subtitles? im curious to know what its saying
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEYkYf5cgvU

[prayed]
00:11:388 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - even up this pattern?
I don't understand - -"
01:23:388 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - ( ﾟＡﾟ)
( ´▽｀).･: ﾟ ･。'.
02:16:488 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - umm... would you mind making this a bit more humanly possible?
It's possible
02:18:888 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1) - ಠ_ಠ srsly?
Yeah.

lepidopodus wrote:

Just fast checked Taiko map.

Kanpakyin's Taiko
- Those big notes are still random for me (Yup, I'm quite conservative.)lol
00:57:213 (75,76,77) - Delete 77 and make 75 --> k.done

I didn't mod this so if I have chance to mod this one, I'll star then.

DJPop wrote:

6 is the limit, I can't take any more guest diffs

cheukhin1985 wrote:

hi :3
here's some slight modding for [Steven's CTB]

0:27:588 (1) remove the slider finish hitsound Fixed
0:28:188 - 0:35:088 - change hitsound patterns similar to 0:37:788 - 0:44:688 some part fixed
0:36:588 (4) change the hitsound from wistle to finish fixed
0:37:188 (10) ^ fixed
0:44:988 (1) add finish hitsound fixed
0:45:588 (4) ^ fixed
0:46:188 (7) ^ fixed
2:16:488 - 2:18:888 - o_O is this possible!? yes it is possible.. a lot of pros test and told me that~~plz refer to this post~~
2:28:788 (1) remove spinner sound? yea.. i want to remove, but i don't know how to... I have change the volume to 0 but still can here something.. could you give me a hand?

ZHSteven wrote:

yea.. i want to remove, but i don't know how to... I have change the volume to 0 but still can here something.. could you give me a hand?

DJPop wrote:

Updated... Please don't change any hitsounds I've done in your diff

ZHSteven wrote:

yea.. i want to remove, but i don't know how to... I have change the volume to 0 but still can here something.. could you give me a hand?

I can't silence it because I don't know what is the name of the wav file.

Verdisphena wrote:

...

cheukhin1985 wrote:

Spinner sound: 'spinnerspin.wav'
Spinner bonus sound: 'spinnerbonus.wav'

DJPop wrote:

Updated... Please don't change any hitsounds I've done in your diff

ZHSteven wrote:

yea.. i want to remove, but i don't know how to... I have change the volume to 0 but still can here something.. could you give me a hand?

I can't silence it because I don't know what is the name of the wav file.

Sushi wrote:

Silencing slidertick AND sliderslide = NO
sliderticks may be silenced just for few cases, like one slidertick misplaced.
Then why my maps are ranked with those things?

and making transparent sliderpoints.. sigh...
Have some ranked maps with it too.

[Normal]
00:17:388 (1,2,3) - instead of making all these slider ends silent, use soft hitsounds. Silencing notes everytime like that is Hurr
X
02:29:688 (1) - As this is not the end of the spinner, I recommand not making it silent. try instead using some soft whistle HS for exemple.
X

[Hard]
why why why why why why why you know it's already been said not to do that.
Even if you'll say "But I didn't stack any notes I did it manually" This Is Not A Reason.
Set stack 0.2 and everthings crash!
00:12:588 (1,2,3) - Same thing as Normal
X
00:25:788 (1) - This looks awful.
New trick to do.
01:57:288 (1) - from here. Put the volume down, you can't even hear the music while doing these. Besides, try to hitsound that differently (like with soft set) because this is Ear Rape
Fixed.
02:16:488 (1) - same thing.
Fixed.
02:29:688 (1) - Same as Normal
X

[Prayed]
same thing about end sliders silenced.
X
same thing about ear rape
Fixed.
02:16:488 (1) - I was afraid to see something like that while modding the other diffs. and now I face my fears.
X
02:29:688 (1) - view earlier etc
X

[Taiko]
why no video?
Weird letterbox.
I find the taiko really but really poor. Why? because it's based mainly on the Lyrics. it feels like a common osu diff played in taiko.
Besides, the parts during the mikustream just sound horrible : All the 5 streams feels like a random on (feels like the kats are randomly placed)
Dislikes.
@Kanpakyin

[CTB]
dshggku:lj;,gfndkjvh
That's all I'll say.
meh, CTB players like it.

Krisom wrote:

Why I'm I still on tags?
Fixed. Thanks for telling.

DJPop wrote:

Sushi wrote:

Silencing slidertick AND sliderslide = NO
sliderticks may be silenced just for few cases, like one slidertick misplaced.
Then why my maps are ranked with those things?

and making transparent sliderpoints.. sigh...
Have some ranked maps with it too.

DJPop wrote:

Silencing slidertick AND sliderslide = NO
sliderticks may be silenced just for few cases, like one slidertick misplaced.
Then why my maps are ranked with those things?

and making transparent sliderpoints.. sigh...
Have some ranked maps with it too.

DJPop wrote:

Silencing slidertick AND sliderslide = NO
sliderticks may be silenced just for few cases, like one slidertick misplaced.
Then why my maps are ranked with those things?

and making transparent sliderpoints.. sigh...
Have some ranked maps with it too.

Sakura Hana wrote:

Additionally, i dont know where it was started but i remember peppy saying that he didnt give CTB diffs an icon because they weren't rankable

Sakura Hana wrote:

not sure about the rules about that now, however they AND taiko diffs still count towards the 2 insane limit and you got 3 insanes 1 for each game mode

whymeman wrote:

1. Offset: 1,788ms BPM: 400.00
2. Offset: 2,388ms BPM: Inhereted (2x)
8. Offset: 2,988ms BPM: 200.00
9. Offset: 3,288ms BPM: Inhereted (1x)
56. Offset: 64,038ms BPM: Inhereted (0.5x)

You can't physically change the BPM to get a faster slider speed. Its unrankable and this is the total of 5 (out of 3) BPM speeds.

Sakura Hana wrote:

Additionally, i dont know where it was started but i remember peppy saying that he didnt give CTB diffs an icon because they weren't rankable, not sure about the rules about that now, however they AND taiko diffs still count towards the 2 insane limit and you got 3 insanes 1 for each game mode, there's no real reason to make a CTB diff since most of the stuff can be done in an osu! standard diff as well, unlike taiko which has special rules like slider speed and hitsound arrangement and stuff.

Sushi wrote:

[Taiko]
why no video?
I find the taiko really but really poor. Why? because it's based mainly on the Lyrics. it feels like a common osu diff played in taiko.
Besides, the parts during the mikustream just sound horrible : All the 5 streams feels like a random on (feels like the kats are randomly placed)
Dislikes.

Sakura Hana wrote:

Hold up there, i just got some info that CTB only diffs are unrankable so it cannot be included in this mapset if it wants to be ranked

whymeman wrote:

WHY is Steven's CTB 1st offset diffrent from the other difficulties? And what is up with the timing?

DJPop wrote:

That 800bpm is just to make the fruit falling with wider spacings.

Krisom wrote:

DJPop wrote:

That 800bpm is just to make the fruit falling with wider spacings.

The metronome will change on the selection screen in a weird way that wont fit the music. You should know this.

Krisom wrote:

Also, if he want wider spacing, he can always, you know, turn distance snap off.

peppy wrote:

READ THIS: All guidelines are exactly that: GUIDELINES. They are NOT rules and may be broken in special cases. If you are wanting to break a guideline, ask yourself only this: Does what I'm doing make sense? Is it more fun to play like this compared to if i had to stick to the guidelines? If you answer yes to both these questions then it is probably OK.

DJPop wrote:

Slidertick sounds aren't that annoying, but don't match the music in many cases, I'd prefer to mute them even slider tick rate 0.5 no exception.

DJPop wrote:

You guys always critical unrankable things, but have you guys remembered that there is no rules but they're guidelines.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=439

And I believe some people who critical to this map not ever touch it again when it gets ranked even things are fixed or not.
Why I silence those sliderslide and slidertick? Because I HATE them.
Sliderslide sounds are just like something dragging along the floor, hearing them while playing is freaking annoying.
Slidertick sounds aren't that annoying, but don't match the music in many cases, I'd prefer to mute them even slider tick rate 0.5 no exception.

DJPop wrote:

You guys always critical unrankable things, but have you guys remembered that there is no rules but they're guidelines.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=439

And I believe some people who critical to this map not ever touch it again when it gets ranked even things are fixed or not.


Why I silence those sliderslide and slidertick? Because I HATE them.
Sliderslide sounds are just like something dragging along the floor, hearing them while playing is freaking annoying.
Slidertick sounds aren't that annoying, but don't match the music in many cases, I'd prefer to mute them even slider tick rate 0.5 no exception.

Sakura Hana wrote:

Hold up there, i just got some info that CTB only diffs are unrankable so it cannot be included in this mapset if it wants to be ranked

First was Taiko, and now CTB!? One of the most stupid rule I've ever seen.
If CTB diff is unrankable, while the specific CTB mode option is available to choose?
There are many CTB players now and surely want to play maps which suitable for CTB mode.
Do you want to prevent CTB players to have fun?

whymeman wrote:

WHY is Steven's CTB 1st offset diffrent from the other difficulties? And what is up with the timing?

Change BPM doesn't mean the speed of falling fruit will change.
That 800bpm is just to make the fruit falling with wider spacings.
You can't take the natural guidelines to judge special case like CTB maps.
Only thing can critical CTB diffs is any type of spacing mods.


If there are rules about unrankable things. Make a topic publicly and stick it so everyone knows that whatever they shouldn't do.

Then again, I disagree that silent slider sounds are unrankable, however,
I really more disagree that specific CTB diffs are unrankable.

whymeman wrote:

First of all.... what the hell is wrong with you? You're letting your own damm mapper's pride make you lose sense of things. Also, for someone who is claimed to be one of the "best mappers" in the MAT, you're being VERY arrogant. Stop saying "Its just guidelines, not rules" as an excuse to make it okay to break those guidelines especially for things you need to have either a really damm good reason for doing it, or its just stright up unrankable. Seriously, you need to get more information before you make such asinine claims. And also, don't even think of using your popularity to let you have room to do anything you want. Its not going to work. I've noticed you've let the popularity consume you to the point your "ideas" of beatmapping is really getting corrupt and..... I don't give two shits you have over 100 ranked maps. Since you can't even listen to the damm suggestions, I suggest you force yourself to take some time to open your eyes to reality while you make the PROPER FIXES to the map. Until the critical fixes are made, the nuke STAYS.

James2250 wrote:

(Something tells me this topic should be locked until DJPop uploads the changes, nothing good can happen here atm)

DJPop wrote:

You guys always critical unrankable things, but have you guys remembered that there is no rules but they're guidelines.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=439

And I believe some people who critical to this map not ever touch it again when it gets ranked even things are fixed or not.


Why I silence those sliderslide and slidertick? Because I HATE them.
Sliderslide sounds are just like something dragging along the floor, hearing them while playing is freaking annoying.
Slidertick sounds aren't that annoying, but don't match the music in many cases, I'd prefer to mute them even slider tick rate 0.5 no exception.

Sakura Hana wrote:

Hold up there, i just got some info that CTB only diffs are unrankable so it cannot be included in this mapset if it wants to be ranked

First was Taiko, and now CTB!? One of the most stupid rule I've ever seen.
If CTB diff is unrankable, while the specific CTB mode option is available to choose?
There are many CTB players now and surely want to play maps which suitable for CTB mode.
Do you want to prevent CTB players to have fun?

whymeman wrote:

WHY is Steven's CTB 1st offset diffrent from the other difficulties? And what is up with the timing?

Change BPM doesn't mean the speed of falling fruit will change.
That 800bpm is just to make the fruit falling with wider spacings.
You can't take the natural guidelines to judge special case like CTB maps.
Only thing can critical CTB diffs is any type of spacing mods.


If there are rules about unrankable things. Make a topic publicly and stick it so everyone knows that whatever they shouldn't do.

Then again, I disagree that silent slider sounds are unrankable, however,
I really more disagree that specific CTB diffs are unrankable.

DJPop wrote:

You guys always critical unrankable things, but have you guys remembered that there is no rules but they're guidelines. too right

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=439 just guidelines

And I believe some people who critical to this map not ever touch it again when it gets ranked even things are fixed or not.


Why I silence those sliderslide and slidertick? Because I HATE them.
Sliderslide sounds are just like something dragging along the floor, hearing them while playing is freaking annoying.
Slidertick sounds aren't that annoying, but don't match the music in many cases, I'd prefer to mute them even slider tick rate 0.5 no exception. RIGHT

Sakura Hana wrote:

Hold up there, i just got some info that CTB only diffs are unrankable so it cannot be included in this mapset if it wants to be ranked

First was Taiko, and now CTB!? One of the most stupid rule I've ever seen.
If CTB diff is unrankable, while the specific CTB mode option is available to choose?
There are many CTB players now and surely want to play maps which suitable for CTB mode.
Do you want to prevent CTB players to have fun?
Totally agreed

whymeman wrote:

WHY is Steven's CTB 1st offset diffrent from the other difficulties? And what is up with the timing?

Change BPM doesn't mean the speed of falling fruit will change.
That 800bpm is just to make the fruit falling with wider spacings.
You can't take the natural guidelines to judge special case like CTB maps.
Only thing can critical CTB diffs is any type of spacing mods.
true


If there are rules about unrankable things. Make a topic publicly and stick it so everyone knows that whatever they shouldn't do.

Then again, I disagree that silent slider sounds are unrankable, however,
I really more disagree that specific CTB diffs are unrankable.

cheukhin1985 wrote:

Totally agreed DJPop.
Silencing the slider sounds is NEVER a bad idea.
It made the map more ATTRACTIVE and LESS STRANGE, coz' the slider ticks don't match the music Sliderticks were designed to match the song rythm, if they are sound strange, you are doing it wrong
PLUS, those are JUST GUIDELINES, DEFINITELY NOT rules.
STOP complaining about how bad are those difficulties I'm not complaining about how bad the difficulties were, i was only commenting that CTB diffs are unrankable atm
STOP BEING SO RUDE.

cheukhin1985 wrote:

Totally agreed DJPop.
Silencing the slider sounds is NEVER a bad idea.
It made the map more ATTRACTIVE and LESS STRANGE, coz' the slider ticks don't match the music
PLUS, those are JUST GUIDELINES, DEFINITELY NOT rules.
STOP complaining about how bad are those difficulties
STOP BEING SO RUDE.

DJPop wrote:

You guys always critical unrankable things, but have you guys remembered that there is no rules but they're guidelines.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=439

And I believe some people who critical to this map not ever touch it again when it gets ranked even things are fixed or not.

Why I silence those sliderslide and slidertick? Because I HATE them.
Sliderslide sounds are just like something dragging along the floor, hearing them while playing is freaking annoying.
Slidertick sounds aren't that annoying, but don't match the music in many cases, I'd prefer to mute them even slider tick rate 0.5 no exception.

First was Taiko, and now CTB!? One of the most stupid rule I've ever seen.
If CTB diff is unrankable, while the specific CTB mode option is available to choose?
There are many CTB players now and surely want to play maps which suitable for CTB mode.
Do you want to prevent CTB players to have fun?

If there are rules about unrankable things. Make a topic publicly and stick it so everyone knows that whatever they shouldn't do.

Then again, I disagree that silent slider sounds are unrankable, however,
I really more disagree that specific CTB diffs are unrankable.

ZHSteven wrote:

Seriously, I can accept "most of the stuff in standard mod can be also good in CTB diff", but it doesn't mean that we don't need a ctb only map ,because when arrange some of the good partern in ctb diff, it is extremely horrible in standard mode(some unexpected X2 slider, note after or before the spinner, some awesome red jump and max jumps), if you refer to the map inside of my signature, you will see the difference.
Also, diff in standard mode when play in ctb mode can be also awful(like in standard, the continuous triples or long streams with not big spacing may be very fun of play but very boring and stupid in CTB mode, and the so-called"horiZontal jumps" is harm to the ctb mode).
like the famous marisa, kanbu. That will be very fun in standard mode but boring in ctb.
And the most important thing is, joynama, hebi, and me(maybe another pro find it already)find the biggest bug-----"bug jumps(impossible jumps without red fruit" in ctb mode, and it is not easy to fix, So i think we really need to have a specific ctb being approved.

whymeman wrote:

Until the critical fixes are made, the nuke STAYS.

RemmyX25 wrote:

If slider ticks sound wrong, you're doing something wrong.

Sakura Hana wrote:

Instead of trying to add more fire, why don't you try to find solutions to make the map fit to the guidelines instead of complaining about the guidelines so you can make them fit the map?

ZHSteven wrote:

do you notice the tick? that part of music is very soft and slow, but if there is a slider tick sound here it is just like playing music with a high speed metronome..sounds like"don ti ti ti ti ti don"(sorry i am not good at express it ).
do you guys think that it to noise of the music? Hit sound is to make a map can sound much better, and to make the player play the map easier get the rythm of the map. But what if the hit sound is already break the balance and beautiful of the sound? Please think twice.

ZHSteven wrote:

OK for the rule given, I really disappointed when people unrank map just give a reason like "because the rule says that."

ZHSteven wrote:

In my opinion, rule is setting up for the mapper can make map make more sense, much better, and sounds beautiful. So it is really don't need to treat the "rule" as "law". Even "law" is not perfect , then how we can treat the "rule" like a "god"?

ZHSteven wrote:

I think a good way of using the rule is if a mapper break the rule, we may first think of why does he/she break the rule? is it make the map even worse or better? Then the reason your step of rank/unrank map will be more reasonable and trustful. People can easily catch the point you agree/disagree and discuss more on that.
Simple "rules god" theory cannot persuade anyone.

cheukhin1985 wrote:

It made the map more ATTRACTIVE and LESS STRANGE, coz' the slider ticks don't match the music

cheukhin1985 wrote:

PLUS, those are JUST GUIDELINES, DEFINITELY NOT rules.

cheukhin1985 wrote:

STOP complaining about how bad are those difficulties

cheukhin1985 wrote:

STOP BEING SO RUDE.

scarlethana wrote:

if silent these slider sounds will make a map more joyful.
why not have a try?

scarlethana wrote:

when new patterns appears it will always meet criticals.
but i guess mapping in osu needs these creative point so that players will not feel boring.
nobody will be pleased with these new ranked map in a same pattern.

scarlethana wrote:

and i feel "CTB diffs shouldn't be ranked" this is unfair.
just for only few people have CTB mod skill? or score in CTB diffs is high enough?
so why not give CTB player a right to choose they really need instead make a decision for them?

scarlethana wrote:

"Don't use older maps for examples" is a good excuse to cover a 'mistake' ?
at least i don't think mafiamaster did something wrong.
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