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Grrum
Hey Komore. Been playing a lot of your map since it's been qualified and I'm really digging it. One of the more appealing things about your map is the small spacings at 00:49:350 (1,2,1,2) - , etc. They control the pacing to represent some of the changes in the song well and allow for different and interesting gameplay than you wouldn't see in most other maps. Effectively using small jumps to improve gameplay is actually an amazing skill to have as a mapper, and not many use it as well as you have.

I came into this thread really only to give a small reaction to the map. When playing 02:51:268 (2) - , I felt like the map had become too slow and calm. It made me wish that the lyric at 02:51:617 - was more prominent.

But now that I'm here, I'll poke another small point I had. For the pattern at 00:54:931 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4) - , you start with a big spacing in the first combo. This raised my expectation. In the next combo you go small, which was a really nice contrast to the previous combo. But then after a small section, I expected that you would fulfill that original expectation of high spacing, and I feel it would work especially nice since the singer stops using falsetto at 00:55:629 (1) - , which makes the music feel different enough that a stronger level of contrast could represent that. So a higher spacing into 00:55:629 (1) - would provide that energy that was foreshadowed at 00:54:931 (1,2) - , and you would have to give yourself some room to do it by moving 00:54:582 (3,4,1,2,1,2) - to the left somehow.

Anyway, great map, one of the more fun maps I've played all year. Stick to your guns, your mapping decisions are creative, engaging, and a pleasure to play.
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schoolboy
02:51:268 (2) - but its kinda the same as 01:46:559 (1,2,3) -, dont you think? imo making this clickable isnt really needed, since the vocals are not that strong..

as for 00:55:454 (2,1) - i agree with you, but i think its better to keep the spacing low since this is the one whole part of the vocals and should be mapped with the same concept imo

thanks for taking a look :)
Nikakis
Humans,we are all cultured people and let's just stop ''beating around the bush'' behind the words consitency and emphasis.I found the map really fun to play with no problems at all with this type of style that this map is following.It's completely creative and im absolutely amazed.Just stop disputing every map with your ''vision'' only to find some nonsense ''''''issues'''''' behind of some specific terms and discourage the mapper.Accept the freaking differentness of a map.

~I wish you the best to rank it,good luck!
Mismagius

Monstrata wrote:

Respecting emphasis can also make patterns feel boring because of how predictable they are. 01:53:536 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - Are fun to play imo, but part of that is because they don't respect white-tick emphasis. 02:47:257 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,1) - Same idea here :D. These are good precisely because emphasis isn't respected imo.

It's not good to say "a map that isn't following proper emphasis is not mapping the song correctly". There is no correct way to map the song to begin with. You can advise a mapper to emphasize certain sounds, but a mapper can also tell you their objective was not emphasis control :P.

Have fun mapping~
i'd just like to add that this kind of attitude towards emphasis ("it's not mapping correctly if you're not putting proper spacing emphasis") is causing a lot of unnecessary DQs lately. for the BNs/modders who are doing this kind of thing, i'd strongly advise to check whether these suggestions aren't actually going against the own principles of the mapping style you're attempting to mod (and also, as Monstrata says, the map feels much more fun for the player exactly because the spacing emphasis is different than usual).
_handholding
Why are Mods deleting perfectly legitimate posts from this thread such as sahuang's?
Okoratu
Hi,

the issues mentioned are worth discussing further, present and actually adressable - the content of the complaints exceeds things that "ppl dont like" so i'm taking this down to remove the time pressure for discussing the issues properly
UndeadCapulet
unnecessary but whatever
i'll edit this with a mod when im back at my computer, hopefully help find a middleground


edit: mm rly dont think you need to give up on this, there can be some minor changes that'll lead to people being happier while still keeping your ideals. if you change your mind let me know
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schoolboy
8-)
actually there is nothing to discuss, the only solution here to satisfy all the "concerned" people above is to remap all the kiais in a boring way and tbh thats not something i am really planning to do
so i guess its going for grave, sorry to everyone who contributed/supported me.. :(
going to change mp3 tho

edit updated with a new mp3 from Hadis
Namki
sad ;w;
Voli
Hey, I can understand it's frustrating when your map is disqualified even though you (partially?) disagree with the reasons, but in some cases with many conflicting opinions such as this one it's better, as UC said before, to discuss and find a middle ground without worrying about a potential DQ and under time pressure. That said, if you have any concerns feel free to PM me in-game - after this is sorted out and people can agree with one another, I can help you push this map back to qualified as well. There's no need to give up on a map this quickly only because of some disagreements. In any case, good luck and hope to see this back in qualified soon :D
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schoolboy
well, lets try then at least, but for me it looks like an impossible task to satisfy everyone who ever posted here their concerns especially when i totally disagree with the 90% of the stuff
Nysrogh
Top 10 Saddest Anime Moments :(
SilverCatalyst
:cry: :cry: :cry:
I was so happy this got qualified, I love the hell out of this song
pls try to get it reranked <3
:cry: :cry: :cry:
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schoolboy
so what now lol
can anyone help me with the video
Mir
I'm just curious but why "queerish dances"? Was that addressed already? (maybe I'm blind)
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schoolboy
check description of the official youtube video, it should explain this
(unfortunately cant copy that because of the phone sry)
Kilabarus
Wtf, this map is awesome because it's not boring! These jumps are really fun to play, not like in tv size beatmaps nowadays, pls try to rank it...

GL!
Shad0w1and
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schoolboy
o thx shadowland will update it soon! :D
Nightlys
good luck :)
Bariton
good luck!!
Venix
btw shouldn't be "FREDERIC" instead of "Frederic" in title? official name of site http://frederic-official.com/ is "フレデリック FREDERIC OFFICIAL SITE"
or you've another resource?

nvm yt
iLuminaye
Uhh headsup, offset is broken in latest update
Lama Poluna

Venix wrote:

btw shouldn't be "FREDERIC" instead of "Frederic" in title? official name of site http://frederic-official.com/ is "フレデリック FREDERIC OFFICIAL SITE"
or you've another resource?

nvm yt

everything on the site is written on capital letters, but on other source used lowercase.
artist must be frederic
instagram
youtube offical video used Frideric, but on newest video this and this used frideric
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schoolboy

Wendy-chan wrote:

Uhh headsup, offset is broken in latest update
redl, i changed the mp3
Delis
that's the exception that you may use Frederic as artist since THE ARTIST for this song officially capitalized its first letter.
Lama Poluna

Delis wrote:

that's the exception that you may use Frederic as artist since THE ARTIST for this song officially capitalized its first letter.
then what's the point of romaniaromanian artist if it makes no sense to write uppercase or lowercase.
if the official source says that you need to write in cursive, you probably need to write like on offical?
if it makes no sense then I'll rank song with artist Frederic, bcz i want it and other people with FREDERIC
in offical site use frederic, so it must be frederic
Topic Starter
schoolboy
id like to stick to youtube, since its kinda the most popular source
also kwan suggested to use it:

IamKwaN wrote:

yes, i can try my best to help

Unicode Title: オドループ
Romanised Title: oddloop
Unicode Artist: フレデリック
Romanised Artist: Frederic

References:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCp2iXA1uLE
Shmiklak
the only thing I may suggest is move preview point so we can hear more than just "op". I want to hear the whole word like it was before D:
sahuang
ok
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schoolboy
if anyone is wondering, i talked to oko and changed some things so we found an agreement
guess i should poke him for log or smth

btw thanks sahuang :D
Dailycare
You were good korean mapper...
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schoolboy
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Plaudible
love this song and map, nice job \o/
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schoolboy
thanks =w=
Pentori
standard
03:38:938 (2) - missing finishes prob cos top diff uses different rhythms
Pentori

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schoolboy
grats with 1000th post!
Kotori-Chan
feels great to see this back in the qualified section !!!!
hopefully gonna stay now <333
gratz for the requalify !
Namki
regrats!
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