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Izzywing

osu! Alumni

Joined March 2016

Izzywing 2017-06-12T01:46:55+00:00

Bubblun wrote:
Personal question, why is Freedom Dive in the tags? I know it's by the same artist and it's of a similar bpm and play style, but is that really enough justification to do that? As far as my concern it just seems like a way to bring in more players by taking advantage of the already popular Freedom Dive map.

This song is a remix of freedom dive

Hollow Delta

793 posts

Joined March 2015

Hollow Delta 2017-06-12T03:33:30+00:00

Hobbes2 wrote:
Bubblun wrote:
Personal question, why is Freedom Dive in the tags? I know it's by the same artist and it's of a similar bpm and play style, but is that really enough justification to do that? As far as my concern it just seems like a way to bring in more players by taking advantage of the already popular Freedom Dive map.
This song is a remix of freedom dive

Okay, why not add remix in the tags as well?

Rizen

1,663 posts

Joined August 2013

Rizen 2017-06-12T05:22:09+00:00

Easy

Hitsounds???
00:01:176 (1,2,3,4) - imo, looks kinda derpy compared to the other neat patterns in the diff
00:04:369 (3,2) - yuck overlap
00:20:333 (1) - make neater pls, not symmetrical
00:26:719 (3,4,5,1) - flow here can be confusing, especially for a high bpm song like this
00:49:069 (1,2) - bleh blanket (shoot me)
01:15:677 (1,2,3,4) - if u want, recheck blankets (3-4 most noticeable)
01:17:806 (1,2,3,4) - consider leveling off these sliders (i.e. slider head + tail end at same plane)
01:32:706 (1) - not sure if u want to, but try changin this combo colour to orange, as before this part, your time signature usually start on the orange colour
01:42:817 (4,1) - slider border spacing

also MA has some things

glgl

Mercury Lamp

3 posts

Joined November 2016

Mercury Lamp 2017-06-12T08:56:46+00:00

crazy map

Atsuro

1,290 posts

Joined January 2013

Atsuro 2017-06-13T03:44:12+00:00

Xexxar wrote:
[Atsuro]
01:51:198 (4,5,6,1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1,1,1,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - why are these notes emphasizing the blue tick when you have been following white tick for the entire song.was trying out stuff that didnt work

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osu file format v14

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Haruto

1,815 posts

Joined December 2013

Haruto 2017-06-18T14:28:18+00:00

Neoskylove wrote:
From your Queue.

[General]
Your diff-->Chack AIMod, you have some unsnaps.
Nino's diff has different preview timing.
Where is another mania mapset. Mania mapset should be more than 2 diffs,

[Haru]
you made jump normal diff, it could be really hard for beginners, and low AR make it harder,Using 6~7 could be better.
00:20:333 (5) - NC
00:43:748 (3,4) - blanket?
00:49:069 (5,6) - unstack, I think this stack looks hard to read.
01:45:211 (3,2,3) - stack?
tbh, I think you emphasized wrongly, for ex, 00:50:134 (1,2) - 01:33:770 (2,3) - 01:43:881 (2,1) - looks not so good jump in low diff,
and 00:46:941 (1) - 01:13:548 (1) - 01:36:963 - should be emphasized, you didn't jumped. I think you should make better emphasis.

GL! Mostly fixed all since i removed the jumps in kiai. Also, not going to increase the AR since the current AR is pretty good already.

Yukiyo wrote:
hello, I stole a m4m place I guess (I didn't even want to ;-;)

going through all of this xd
mostly from more of a players perspective

NORMAL:

00:04:103 (2,3) - blanket lol kill me (you don't really seems to care about them anyways here xd) (If you want I can check them all) ya fixed
00:16:741 (2) - am I the only one who is not hearing this sound? I definetly don't here something there (any prominent distinct sound that is) removing it could/should be fine probably just you, i heard the... (idk what is called) something like the song's synth?
00:24:058 (3,1) - just some nazi aesthetics but first of all they aren't completly parallel and the space between end and corner could be evenly spaced fixed
00:49:069 (5,6) - dunno about this. From my standpoint of playing this
makes much more sense for chosen rhythm. I associate your placement more with a 1/2 pause. fixed this since i remapped some stuff in the kiai
01:36:165 (4) - this sounds weird as 01:36:431 - needs to be playable 100% imo it should be fine there, i used slider there to represent the hold sound rather following the 1/3 rhythm there, its uh... simplification of the complex rhythm so yea its fine
Sorry for damn short mod

Pachiru wrote:
From your M4M queue !

[Haruto's Normal]
00:01:974 (2) - Why not making a horizontal slider, and making a blanket with this note: 00:03:038 (3) - ? nahh, i liked the current one tbh xP
00:19:269 (3,4,5) - At this moment, there is a lot of informations given to the players, since there is few stacks and overlap, I think that the overlap on the 3 slider on the 5 could be avoided (if you want obviously, this is a real nazi stuff xD) o i think this should be fine, the reason behind it was like, 3>4>5 should plays like circular/triangular flow so yeah
00:22:196 - I think that you can map this beat no? Since there is cool and easy sliders before, it can be easier to read for the player, no? mapped this beat instead
00:42:417 (3,2) - I don't think that's a good idea to use 1/2 sliders here, since it's a high BPM song, but more because it's not the kiai already, so I think it would fit better on the kiai, why not only putting a circle on the 1/1 beat? o: dunno, the part of the song sounds pretty impactful if i used 1/2 here. so i'll keep this for now
00:49:069 (5,6) - The stack feels very weird only for this part, the player might not prevent the placement of this note, and he might fail on the next slider due to the high BPM I think... That's just my personnal opinion, that would be a way better by placing it just after this slider: 00:49:069 (5) - yup fixed
01:02:905 (1,1,1) - That might be very hard to read for some people who plays Normal diff :/ i dont even know how to fix this lmao. i'll think about this later
I think that the diff got some overlap that could be fixed, because it can be very misleading, and some times
I hope my mod will help, I'm not really good into modding Extra, but I did my best for it ! Good luck for the ranking process
(most of stuff wrote are pure suggestions, so feel free to refuse if you judge it useless!)
Have a good day all ~

squirrelpascals wrote:
Heyo, m4m from my queue
all screenshots are purely examples of how a mod can be executed

Haruto
2 ds errors in ai mod oko once told me that decimal changes of a spacing should be just fine.

• 00:25:389 - circle here? sure

• 00:35:233 (2) - Point this downward in some way to aid with flow? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7681988 okay, did another way instead

• 00:49:868 (6) - This is the only stack in the whole map, i think it would make more sense if you applied proper ds to it yea i've fixed it

• 00:52:262 (3,4) - I feel like this rhythm would be more easily understandable by the player imo. its more expected of a 1/1 pattern and satisfies a beat at 00:52:528 - : https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7682006 fixed

• 01:02:905 (1,2,1,2) - I think you should mobilize this pattern somehow. Normal players aren't used to reading patterns like this. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7682023 ah great, thanks for providing such example, i'll change later instead~

• 01:14:613 (2) - Imo if you want to do this aesthetic you should do it more in this 1/3 part. Otherwise it just doesn't fit with the rest of this part sorry but i wanted to keep this part simple so, no 1/3

Fun song, all of the maps look great. I threw in some suggestions but there's a lot of solid execution in mapping here. Good luck

Xexxar wrote:
[Glorious Triangle]

[Haruto]
01:02:905 (1,2,1,2,1) - this is ridiculously confusing for new players, revise this to not be so overlapped. i'll change that immediately. actually, monstrata is free to fix this part for me
01:45:477 (1) - why is this spaced? fixed tho xd
01:37:495 - why are you using 1/2 stacks all of a sudden when you havent used a clickable 1/2 rhythm yet. this is random and doesnt fit. Either use 1/2 stacks throughout, or dont use them. okay okay, removed this.

Spread between hard and normal is probably too large.

What I believe should be done is to map a normal at around 1.9 stars, then a 2.5-2.6 star advanced to fix spread between lower diffs.

Thank you for the mods everyone! Sorry for the huge delay of the reply, though x__x
btw @Monstrata : you forgot haruto_aizawa in the tags orz

Update

osu file format v14

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Monstrata

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

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Joined May 2013

Topic Starter

Monstrata 2017-06-18T21:59:04+00:00

SnowNiNo_ wrote:

thx for mod
@Monstrata : not rly sure about the snapping at 00:33:637 (1,2,3) - 00:44:280 - 01:27:916 - 01:29:513 - , 1/6 snapping sound better then 3/4 here, but the rest of the similar part like 00:33:637 (1,2,3) - i used 3/4 They should all be 3/4 snapping. Please fix to 3/4 thanks. I will fix mine too.

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SnowNiNo_

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

2,108 posts

Joined April 2013

SnowNiNo_ 2017-06-19T12:09:57+00:00

@Xexxar : i think it should be fine since im not stacking the sliderhead
@Monstrata : k all fixed, and add hs

upd8

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Monstrata

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

4,642 posts

Joined May 2013

Topic Starter

Monstrata 2017-06-21T07:40:26+00:00

Rizen wrote:

Easy
Hitsounds???
00:01:176 (1,2,3,4) - imo, looks kinda derpy compared to the other neat patterns in the diff I think its fine, doing some rotational symmetry
00:04:369 (3,2) - yuck overlap agree
00:20:333 (1) - make neater pls, not symmetrical k
00:26:719 (3,4,5,1) - flow here can be confusing, especially for a high bpm song like this agree
00:49:069 (1,2) - bleh blanket (shoot me) agree
01:15:677 (1,2,3,4) - if u want, recheck blankets (3-4 most noticeable) ya
01:17:806 (1,2,3,4) - consider leveling off these sliders (i.e. slider head + tail end at same plane) not really necessary imo. i think now is fine too
01:32:706 (1) - not sure if u want to, but try changin this combo colour to orange, as before this part, your time signature usually start on the orange colour sure i mean sure
01:42:817 (4,1) - slider border spacing yea
also MA has some things

glgl

fixed modding ass stuff tyty <3

Nao Tomori

Nomination Assessment Team

3,106 posts

Joined December 2014

Nao Tomori 2017-06-21T23:14:19+00:00

[the everlasting guilty crown]
00:24:058 (1) - this one looks like it should have one of those sharp angle changes too

00:35:500 (1,2) - really sounds like it should be different cuz of what the piano is doing lol

00:38:027 (2) - same here the pianos doing something totally different from 00:37:894 (1) -

00:48:005 - not sure why you covered up the rhythm with 1/4 here like from 00:12:883 -

01:16:032 (5,6,7,8,9) - feels like making these sharp angles would be better than the same stream type motion

01:17:207 (6) - feels kinda out of place cuz it isnt in the kick rhythm

01:36:830 (2) - 1/8th?

01:43:282 (16,1,2) - whoa this is super super sharp compared to most others isnt it? its one of the only (if not the only) reflex angle that you ever use

01:48:537 (2,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - i think following the kicks here and then switching over to the piano thingy at 01:49:735 - would be a bit more interesting than a giant deathstream

[nino's extra]

ok the only real issue i had here was 00:12:883 (1,2,3,4) - all of these kinda suck dick cuz they simplify the reaaaally obvious rhythm. like youre already mapping a 7 star extra dont simplify the rhythm for no reason plz

00:16:342 (2) - this stream looks kinda ugly cuz it isnt a constant curve or something

00:20:333 - could you lower the hs volume a bit here... i mean just do hs volumes 80% across the entire thing is kinda weird cuz the song intensity definitely changes so should the volume

00:53:061 (6) - could be nice to make this 2 click cuz kicks yea

01:19:136 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - other time you put the direction change on the instrument change, u should do that here too cuz 01:19:136 (1) - is different from 01:18:870 (1) -
also this section has like random pixel overlaps can you remove those >.>

01:34:767 (16,1,2) - this looks rly ugly to me cuz the angle goes left on 1 then right on 2 then left again
and also cuz 1 should be where the ds changes imo

01:48:670 (1) - same thing i told monstrata, following the kicks here seems better cuz they stand out a bit more, then switch to the piano next combo where they become much louder

01:56:253 (2,4) - rip stack

[atsuro's extra]
00:00:378 (1) - think a spinner wrks better here for this, since the slider doesn't have the same fading in effect i think
if u keep the slider remove the slide sound or make it fade in

00:01:442 (4,5) - ew overlap plz fix http://puu.sh/wqLKU/c5fd3d2701.jpg

00:02:772 (3,4,5,6,7) - make this line up properly

00:30:976 (1,2) - these feel LAME as fuck in game play like ur playing a bunch of 225 bpm streams and burst and then theres like 2 random slow ass long sliders
can u break it up into 1/2 circle 1/2 instead like monstrata did cuz that would follow the rhythm better

00:44:280 (3) - wee such a cool rhythm in the kicks and you put a 1/1 repeat

01:06:896 - u shd totally map this random kick thing like every other diff

01:15:943 (4,5,6,7,8,9) - i feel like 789 should be distinguished more from 456 - how about making the angle into 456 a soft one and then making the 789 thing into a line to stand out visually? or smething to that effect

01:18:338 (7,8,9) - like this does, now do something like this on the other ones too plz

01:42:284 (1) - i think in kiai u could definitely make these the more dense ones at least so its more exciting (00:48:005 (1) - etc)

01:49:934 (4,6) - ee plz

01:55:056 - kiai?

[hobbes2's insane]
01:16:209 (3) - would be cute to make these circles

01:16:741 (1,3) - same

01:37:894 (5,6,1,2) - this was kinda hard for me to read mybe just do a triple into a 2xrepeat 1/4 slider

01:45:743 (2,3) - these look so ugly just make them straight

ya

[la's hard]
00:22:861 (2,3) - around here the song is super xd but the white tick still has a pretty loud sound how about making 00:22:462 (1) - a repeat

00:33:637 (1) - whhy is this ncd

k

[haruto's normal]
01:02:905 (1,1,1) - wtf is this confusing pttern lmao

[easy]

01:03:970 (1) - u might wanna start this spinner at the red tick cuz this is really short, shorter than rc minimum cuz of bpm

01:51:863 (1) - yea

hitsound the diffs without hitsounds and lmk when everyone responds

Atsuro

1,290 posts

Joined January 2013

Atsuro 2017-06-22T02:36:37+00:00

Naotoshi wrote:
00:00:378 (1) - think a spinner wrks better here for this, since the slider doesn't have the same fading in effect i think
if u keep the slider remove the slide sound or make it fade in I prefer the slider, don't like short spinners myself. Reduced the sliderslide volume

00:01:442 (4,5) - ew overlap plz fix http://puu.sh/wqLKU/c5fd3d2701.jpg oki

00:02:772 (3,4,5,6,7) - make this line up properly how do u notice this stuff

00:30:976 (1,2) - these feel LAME as fuck in game play like ur playing a bunch of 225 bpm streams and burst and then theres like 2 random slow ass long sliders
can u break it up into 1/2 circle 1/2 instead like monstrata did cuz that would follow the rhythm better I mean, i'm following the song's piano what are u talking about

00:44:280 (3) - wee such a cool rhythm in the kicks and you put a 1/1 repeat So i should just give this map more rhythm density and make it harder than i intended? that's what the two top diffs are for. The slider does a good job of emphasizing the important notes on the song.

01:06:896 - u shd totally map this random kick thing like every other diff if u say so

01:15:943 (4,5,6,7,8,9) - i feel like 789 should be distinguished more from 456 - how about making the angle into 456 a soft one and then making the 789 thing into a line to stand out visually? or smething to that effect Yeah, when i mapped this originally it was another mp3, the changes in the 1/3 rhythms didn't exist in that version, changed.

01:18:338 (7,8,9) - like this does, now do something like this on the other ones too plz I think the other ones are fine already

01:42:284 (1) - i think in kiai u could definitely make these the more dense ones at least so its more exciting (00:48:005 (1) - etc) Um i think they're fun and they do their work at following the song... if you want something harder then i really don't think it would fit the difficulty

01:49:934 (4,6) - ee plz Not visible on gameplay ee

01:55:056 - kiai? kiai

ee

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Version:Atsuro's Glorious Extra
Source:maimai PiNK
Tags:freedom dive rsi haruto logic agent hobbes2 atsuro snownino_
BeatmapID:1188172
BeatmapSetID:558694

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:6
CircleSize:3.5
OverallDifficulty:8
ApproachRate:9.3
SliderMultiplier:1.6
SliderTickRate:1

[Events]
//Background and Video events
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//Break Periods
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//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples

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Izzywing

osu! Alumni

2,250 posts

Joined March 2016

Izzywing 2017-06-25T03:57:30+00:00

@nao fixed em all but the 2 and 3 being ugly thing, i actually think it looks nice like that lol

ty very much

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Logic Agent

483 posts

Joined April 2015

Logic Agent 2017-06-25T04:09:06+00:00

Xexxar wrote:
[Logic Agent]
00:15:012 (1) - this spacing makes no sense, it looks like 1/1 gap. fix thisuh this is very clearly two objects spaced out farther than the rest of the objects in the section to reflect the less dense rhythm. maybe you highlighted the wrong thing but i do not understand how this can be misinterpretd as it is literally the only spacing change
00:22:994 - not sure if skipping this beat is a good idea. there's a lot going on in this section and i tried to simplify it by only following the most prominent synth noise, and then switching off of it whenever it fades into the background to show that the song is changing. if i did that it'd fuck up my rhythm

Naotoshi wrote:
[la's hard]
00:22:861 (2,3) - around here the song is super xd but the white tick still has a pretty loud sound how about making 00:22:462 (1) - a repeat answered in xexxars mod, i'd rather not because of how i want to focus on the synth and not use much filler rhythm yet.

00:33:637 (1) - whhy is this ncd cause it's 1/3. idc much though if you want it changed just mention it again at some point so i dont have to copy paste a bunch of code for 1 nc xd

yeah

SnowNiNo_

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

2,108 posts

Joined April 2013

SnowNiNo_ 2017-06-25T06:43:49+00:00

Naotoshi wrote:
[nino's extra]

ok the only real issue i had here was 00:12:883 (1,2,3,4) - all of these kinda suck dick cuz they simplify the reaaaally obvious rhythm. like youre already mapping a 7 star extra dont simplify the rhythm for no reason plz well i cant think if a better structure to express the music here, and btw mine was 6.5 star not 7 star ive already overdone the sr lol

00:16:342 (2) - this stream looks kinda ugly cuz it isnt a constant curve or something i make it from a slider tho lol

00:20:333 - could you lower the hs volume a bit here... i mean just do hs volumes 80% across the entire thing is kinda weird cuz the song intensity definitely changes so should the volume

00:53:061 (6) - could be nice to make this 2 click cuz kicks yea

01:19:136 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - other time you put the direction change on the instrument change, u should do that here too cuz 01:19:136 (1) - is different from 01:18:870 (1) -
also this section has like random pixel overlaps can you remove those >.>

01:34:767 (16,1,2) - this looks rly ugly to me cuz the angle goes left on 1 then right on 2 then left again
and also cuz 1 should be where the ds changes imo o o ps

01:48:670 (1) - same thing i told monstrata, following the kicks here seems better cuz they stand out a bit more, then switch to the piano next combo where they become much louder

01:56:253 (2,4) - rip stack

no reply = fix

upd8

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Monstrata

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

4,642 posts

Joined May 2013

Topic Starter

Monstrata 2017-06-28T06:19:15+00:00

Naotoshi wrote:
[the everlasting guilty crown]
00:24:058 (1) - this one looks like it should have one of those sharp angle changes too I like how it flows currently. plus clockwise to councter clockwise shift is noticeable too here since its concavity point.

00:35:500 (1,2) - really sounds like it should be different cuz of what the piano is doing lol ok fixed

00:38:027 (2) - same here the pianos doing something totally different from 00:37:894 (1) - eh here not so much. I think they sound similar enough

00:48:005 - not sure why you covered up the rhythm with 1/4 here like from 00:12:883 - previous one was a lot calmer so i used those sliders. kiai is super dense so i want to use 1/4 patterns. its a stream map anyways

01:16:032 (5,6,7,8,9) - feels like making these sharp angles would be better than the same stream type motion the idea is to have the polygons get tighter and tighter with angles, 7 > 6 > 5 points

01:17:207 (6) - feels kinda out of place cuz it isnt in the kick rhythm eh it sounds fine to me

01:36:830 (2) - 1/8th? Prefer to keep it simple

01:43:282 (16,1,2) - whoa this is super super sharp compared to most others isnt it? its one of the only (if not the only) reflex angle that you ever use true. fixed this

01:48:537 (2,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - i think following the kicks here and then switching over to the piano thingy at 01:49:735 - would be a bit more interesting than a giant deathstream i prefer deathstreams xP and the kicks aren't overly noticeable in term s of unique rhythm.

[easy]

01:03:970 (1) - u might wanna start this spinner at the red tick cuz this is really short, shorter than rc minimum cuz of bpm fixed this and others

01:51:863 (1) - yea this one's fine tho

hitsound the diffs without hitsounds and lmk when everyone responds

Monstrata

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

4,642 posts

Joined May 2013

Topic Starter

Monstrata 2017-06-29T04:40:40+00:00

Fixed for Haruto!

meta

http://maimai.sega.jp/song/original.html

https://twitter.com/maimai_official/sta ... 2981505025

Kyouren

5,639 posts

Joined October 2012

Kyouren 2017-06-29T13:43:10+00:00

Same BG? https://osu.ppy.sh/s/96661

Monstrata

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

4,642 posts

Joined May 2013

Topic Starter

Monstrata 2017-06-29T14:48:37+00:00

Yea but no one knows that map xD

Silent Spica

75 posts

Joined May 2014

Silent Spica 2017-06-30T00:19:01+00:00

First time I saw that BG, was years ago on this map https://osu.ppy.sh/s/54193

Doesn't really matters, it fits. I prefer the old difficulty name, sounds epic imo (at least for me because I'm a non-English speaker lol)

I hope this map gets ranked soon! I love it señorito Monstrata

Nao Tomori

Nomination Assessment Team

3,106 posts

Joined December 2014

Nao Tomori 2017-06-30T01:53:14+00:00

any new bns feeling frisky??

Yuii-

2,501 posts

Joined July 2013

Yuii- 2017-06-30T01:59:43+00:00

Can I qualify please?

Chromoxx

904 posts

Joined August 2012

Chromoxx 2017-06-30T02:01:19+00:00

Where is the mania diff? 🤔

squirrelpascals

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squirrelpascals 2017-06-30T03:58:05+00:00

Naotoshi wrote:
any new bns feeling frisky??

dont tempt us noob teir 1s to get kicked from the bng in less than a day

Kondou-Shinichi

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Kondou-Shinichi 2017-06-30T13:16:09+00:00

Monstrata: Mapping a four dimensional map with a five dimensional perspective

Nozhomi

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Nozhomi 2017-06-30T17:57:44+00:00

Tbh on last diff, I don't think 01:47:606 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - is the best option.
1. At this speed it feels unecessary to force the difficulty more since that part is already quite intense.
2. Intensity of the music changes from that point 01:48:138 - , so if you want to keep a spacing difference for these kicksliders, you should cut them in two parts who 01:47:606 (1,2,1,2) - use a constant spacing and 01:48:138 (1,2,1,2) - a different one.
Oh also would be nice to adjust quickly spacing for 00:07:429 (14,1) - / 00:07:961 (6,1) - / 00:08:493 (6,1) - .

What a stream hell tho lol gl here~

Monstrata

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Monstrata 2017-07-01T06:10:54+00:00

Nozhomi wrote:
Tbh on last diff, I don't think 01:47:606 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - is the best option.
1. At this speed it feels unecessary to force the difficulty more since that part is already quite intense. It's not forcing more difficulty. If anything it's a break from the intense stream rhythm.
2. Intensity of the music changes from that point 01:48:138 - , so if you want to keep a spacing difference for these kicksliders, you should cut them in two parts who 01:47:606 (1,2,1,2) - use a constant spacing and 01:48:138 (1,2,1,2) - a different one. I disagree, I think only the last two notes are worth highlighting above the others.
Oh also would be nice to adjust quickly spacing for 00:07:429 (14,1) - / 00:07:961 (6,1) - / 00:08:493 (6,1) - . They are fine, I don't think spacing them any different will accomplish anything differently xP The heads are all emphasized.

What a stream hell tho lol gl here~

Thanks~

Yuii-

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Yuii- 2017-07-01T07:23:40+00:00

we fixed some things here and there on every diff

irc

2017-07-01 02:50 Yuii-: e
2017-07-01 02:50 Yuii-: 01:01:309 -
2017-07-01 02:52 Yuii-: easy: 01:32:706 (1,2,3,4) - 3 looks quite different from the rest of the map
2017-07-01 02:53 Yuii-: 01:47:340 (4) - vs 00:55:189 -
2017-07-01 02:53 Monstrata: http://puu.sh/wyIRr.jpg
2017-07-01 02:55 Yuii-: normal: 00:11:819 (1) - shape
2017-07-01 02:56 Monstrata: 01:01:309 (4) -
2017-07-01 02:57 Yuii-: 00:49:069 (1,2,3) -
2017-07-01 02:58 Yuii-: 01:08:227 (3) - tail
2017-07-01 02:59 Yuii-: 01:29:380 -
2017-07-01 03:00 Yuii-: 01:47:606 (1,2,3) - stack
2017-07-01 03:02 Yuii-: hard: 00:26:187 (3,1) - spacing mistake
2017-07-01 03:03 Yuii-: 00:58:914 (2) - visible?
2017-07-01 03:04 Yuii-: 01:33:770 (1,2) - 1/3
2017-07-01 03:05 Yuii-: 01:43:349 (1,2,3) - too hard
2017-07-01 03:05 Yuii-: 01:52:927 (1) - 5%
2017-07-01 03:10 Yuii-: jobs: 00:12:883 (1,2,3,4) - 1/3s?
2017-07-01 03:13 Yuii-: 00:18:205 (1,2,3,4) -
2017-07-01 03:13 Yuii-: 00:20:333 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) -
2017-07-01 03:14 Yuii-: 00:29:513 (2,1) - 3/4
2017-07-01 03:14 Yuii-: 00:40:555 (1,2) - polarity
2017-07-01 03:14 Yuii-: 00:42:684 (1,2,3,4) - i can't read these
2017-07-01 03:15 Monstrata: 00:20:333 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) -
2017-07-01 03:16 Monstrata: 00:18:205 - 00:18:471 -
2017-07-01 03:19 Monstrata: ar - 240 ms + 300 ms
2017-07-01 03:19 Monstrata: = time required between objects
2017-07-01 03:20 Monstrata: 00:29:513 (2) -
2017-07-01 03:20 Yuii-: yeah that one
2017-07-01 03:20 Yuii-: also
2017-07-01 03:20 Yuii-: 00:55:123 (4,5,1) - lul
2017-07-01 03:22 Yuii-: 01:34:901 (1) - thoughts on that?
2017-07-01 03:25 Yuii-: ^
2017-07-01 03:25 Monstrata: spinner is nice
2017-07-01 03:25 Monstrata: cuz that 1/4 is like a buffer, its quiet and preparing for a drop
2017-07-01 03:25 Yuii-: looks quite weird after seeing 01:55:056 - though
2017-07-01 03:25 Monstrata: thats an intense stream tho
2017-07-01 03:26 Yuii-: 01:56:653 (1,2) - 1/6s?
2017-07-01 03:27 Monstrata: 01:56:919 (2) -
2017-07-01 03:31 Yuii-: atsuro: 00:00:378 (1) - 50%
2017-07-01 03:31 Monstrata: k
2017-07-01 03:32 Yuii-: 00:29:513 (4,5) - ¿
2017-07-01 03:33 Yuii-: 00:39:491 (1,2,3,4) - aye?
2017-07-01 03:34 Yuii-: 00:46:409 (1,2,3,4) -
2017-07-01 03:43 Yuii-: nino: 00:38:027 (6,7,8) -
2017-07-01 03:45 Yuii-: 01:08:892 (1,2) - yes, they land on nothign
2017-07-01 03:45 Monstrata: http://puu.sh/wyKsT.jpg
2017-07-01 03:47 Yuii-: 01:35:366 (9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) - increases spacing when the music gets calmer

2017-07-01 03:47 Yuii-: (i'd suggest a 1/4 repeat slider)
2017-07-01 03:49 Yuii-: 01:40:156 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) -
2017-07-01 03:51 Yuii-: 00:12:351 (2) - nc for reading
2017-07-01 03:52 Yuii-: 00:14:480 (2) - same and the rest
2017-07-01 03:52 Yuii-: 00:19:269 (1,2,3,4) -
2017-07-01 03:52 Monstrata: 00:13:947 (1,2,3) -
2017-07-01 03:53 Yuii-: 00:27:850 (1) -
2017-07-01 03:54 Yuii-: 00:33:637 (1,1,1) -
2017-07-01 03:54 Monstrata: 00:32:905 (14) -
2017-07-01 03:57 Yuii-: 01:40:821 (11) - you have to move your cursor to hit it
2017-07-01 03:58 Yuii-: 01:51:065 (5) - too
2017-07-01 03:58 Yuii-: 01:56:120 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - shouldn't these have less spacing instead?
2017-07-01 03:59 Monstrata: http://puu.sh/wyKWU.jpg
2017-07-01 04:00 Yuii-: 01:56:519 (4,5,6,7,8) - vs 01:56:852 (1,2,3,4,5) -
2017-07-01 04:05 Yuii-: 01:12:484 (1,1,1) - nino uses 1/8, you 1/6
2017-07-01 04:05 Yuii-: stick to 1
2017-07-01 04:08 Yuii-: 01:33:770 - 1/3
2017-07-01 04:10 Monstrata: 00:33:637 (1,2,3) -
2017-07-01 04:15 Yuii-: 01:40:821 (11) - 01:51:065 (5) -
2017-07-01 04:16 Monstrata: 01:41:153 (16,1,2) -
2017-07-01 04:21 Yuii-: 00:33:637 (1,2) - 1/3 or 1/6?
2017-07-01 04:21 Yuii-: 00:38:027 (5) - hobbes

Monstrata

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Monstrata 2017-07-01T07:29:30+00:00

^We communicated telepathically

Yuii-

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Yuii- 2017-07-01T07:33:05+00:00

next stop is alien and we all know that
hobbes already posted this on reddit

we fixed 1 more thing, the hp on nino's extra is now 6 instead of 5,5

nothing else to be said,
congrats!!!!

Nelly

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Nelly 2017-07-01T07:35:41+00:00

Oh boy

Kondou-Shinichi

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Kondou-Shinichi 2017-07-01T07:39:43+00:00

i thought this was babymetal

Akitoshi

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Akitoshi 2017-07-01T08:29:45+00:00

oh hey gratz

Pachiru

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Pachiru 2017-07-01T09:26:26+00:00

Congratz! You finally ranked it

Caput Mortuum

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Caput Mortuum 2017-07-01T09:31:02+00:00

grats strata

Nowaie

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Nowaie 2017-07-01T10:00:09+00:00

Kyouren

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Kyouren 2017-07-01T16:55:40+00:00

Congrulation!

SilverCatalyst

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SilverCatalyst 2017-07-01T22:48:42+00:00

excuse me if i'm wrong but don't you have to have 12 star priority to qualify a map

Mir

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Mir 2017-07-01T23:13:13+00:00

well

i genuinely do have some concerns about the topdiff of this mapset

[Four Dimensions]

00:39:757 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - you drop the emphasis through slight spacing change thing with 00:38:426 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - for some reason here and the song hasn't really changed all that much, the intensity of both instances are similar

00:45:876 (1,2,3) - I think this rhythm would fit the drums and piano better, what you have right now kinda.. doesn't really fit imo http://i.imgur.com/KpXKhZk.png

00:44:812 (1,2,3,4) - all ignoring the 1/4, you could use 1/4 sliders here?

The kiai at 00:46:941 - ignores so much of the song imo. Especially 00:48:005 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - this part as a lot of doubles in it that you could have mapped with 1/4 sliders or something like 00:12:883 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - which would not only represent the song way better but also provide respite from the constant 1/4 clicking.

00:51:198 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2) - sidenote the whistles here overlap each other so annoyingly when they're put on such high bpm 1/4, it actually takes away from the gameplay experience imo so what i would suggest is using a shorter whistle so that they don't overlap as noticeably

00:53:061 (1,2) - is also cool as an emphasis tool but then using 1/4 sliders again for 00:54:125 (1,2) - is kind of undermapping it a bit imo, they're noticeable drums and you could have done something like http://i.imgur.com/RlPIw9N.jpg

00:54:923 - from here the song really lowers in intensity but the map doesn't at all, what would fit here is a couple of 1/4 reverses like http://i.imgur.com/bncrIlL.png or something to represent that change in intensity instead of keeping the same intensity stream

00:56:519 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) - this ncing seems to be inconsistent with 00:48:005 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - but again my point about rhythm here and other places

01:02:240 (4,5,6) - these call for circles imo, differentiation here would work wonders to represent this build up since they look the same as the rest of the 1/4 sliders but cover different sounds

01:16:209 - song changes here too, lots of drums introduced but the emphasis doesn't really change. the flow gets sharper sure but i think you could also use spacing emphasis when the drums change intensity as well like 01:17:806 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - compared to 01:18:338 (7,8,9) - and so on

01:32:706 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - you know blue zenith had a cool part at 02:57:434 - 03:02:234 - that pretty much fits what the song is doing here too, but the stream you mapped doesn't really show off the building (or dropping, however you interpret it) intensity very well

01:49:069 (7,8,1) - isn't differentiated either in terms of rhythm, spacing, flow or anything, and there are different sounds here. doing it only with hitsounds is a bit lackluster imo

01:49:735 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - this is way higher intensity but mapped the same intensity as the rest of the streams, it also has fluctuations on 01:50:200 (8,1) - that aren't emphasized at all synth-wise. 01:51:863 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - is really really underdone it's not shown off at all and the synth is going crazy and the drums are all over the place but.. the stream is the same spacing and has very few direction changes

01:55:056 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - outro stream but it's the same spacing throughout, the piano even peaks at 01:56:120 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - but isn't shown off at all, it's the highest pitch the piano is ever going to get. also 01:55:854 - why does the hitsound volume decrease on such an intense part? it's not as major but yeah it sound be constant volume imo

A lot of the direction changes feel quite arbitrary or just don't exist. 00:52:794 (1) - would be grounds for a direction change. yet 00:59:712 (1,5) - 1 has a strong sound so direction change here is good, but 5 doesn't really and they change at the nearly the same angle. 00:54:391 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - changes slightly on what seems to be the 7 but the stronger note is on the 00:54:923 (9) - and so forth, this happens in a lot of places in both kiais

Minor stuff:

- 00:09:890 (3) - 00:10:821 (2) - missing whistle?
- 00:20:599 (5,7) - removing the hitsounds here would actually sound better imo since the song has no noticeable drum here
- 00:38:027 (2) - 1/6 here you could have taken advantage of

Overall the map in its current state I think does not represent the song in the best way it can and as it stands actually chooses to ignore it in both kiais and through lack of differentiation between instruments in various places. The streams have very little emphasis spacing-wise and the infrequent direction changes, while some are present and work, don't really do much to help the emphasis. The rhythm in the kiai ignores the song pretty obviously especially when the same rhythm as 00:48:005 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - was mapped like 00:12:883 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - in a non-kiai section.

hi-mei

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hi-mei 2017-07-01T23:47:20+00:00

monstrata

right now

Eldergleam

Eldergleam 2017-07-02T00:05:28+00:00

hi-mei wrote:
monstrata
right now

lmao

Monstrata

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Monstrata 2017-07-02T00:51:51+00:00

Mir wrote:
well

i genuinely do have some concerns about the topdiff of this mapset

[Four Dimensions]

00:39:757 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - you drop the emphasis through slight spacing change thing with 00:38:426 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - for some reason here and the song hasn't really changed all that much, the intensity of both instances are similar This is just visuals. The "slight spacing change" isn't being used to create emphasis. You won't feel any emphatic difference when hitting those specific notes because of their spacing.

00:45:876 (1,2,3) - I think this rhythm would fit the drums and piano better, what you have right now kinda.. doesn't really fit imo http://i.imgur.com/KpXKhZk.png What? No... this fits perfectly

00:44:812 (1,2,3,4) - all ignoring the 1/4, you could use 1/4 sliders here? I don't want to use 1/4's. 1/2 works better in building up the song.

The kiai at 00:46:941 - ignores so much of the song imo. Especially 00:48:005 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - this part as a lot of doubles in it that you could have mapped with 1/4 sliders or something like 00:12:883 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - which would not only represent the song way better but also provide respite from the constant 1/4 clicking. I want this to be a stream map. THey are definitely supported in the song and the rhythm being used is in no way confusing.

00:51:198 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2) - sidenote the whistles here overlap each other so annoyingly when they're put on such high bpm 1/4, it actually takes away from the gameplay experience imo so what i would suggest is using a shorter whistle so that they don't overlap as noticeably
Uh.. I jsut disagree. THey're maybe annoying to you, but they fit very well for me.

00:53:061 (1,2) - is also cool as an emphasis tool but then using 1/4 sliders again for 00:54:125 (1,2) - is kind of undermapping it a bit imo, they're noticeable drums and you could have done something like http://i.imgur.com/RlPIw9N.jpg What? They're following the drum. And it really helps to separate this rhythm from the rest of the streams.

00:54:923 - from here the song really lowers in intensity but the map doesn't at all, what would fit here is a couple of 1/4 reverses like http://i.imgur.com/bncrIlL.png or something to represent that change in intensity instead of keeping the same intensity stream It doesn't lower in intensity. Listen to the 1/4's they are still there. You are basing the "lack of intensity" on the fact that the high piano note is held which is subjective at best.

00:56:519 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) - this ncing seems to be inconsistent with 00:48:005 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - but again my point about rhythm here and other places My bad. But i'm not dq'ing unless theres a valid reason. lets see...

01:02:240 (4,5,6) - these call for circles imo, differentiation here would work wonders to represent this build up since they look the same as the rest of the 1/4 sliders but cover different sounds Theyre definitely kicksliders... just listen to the kick rhythm.

01:16:209 - song changes here too, lots of drums introduced but the emphasis doesn't really change. the flow gets sharper sure but i think you could also use spacing emphasis when the drums change intensity as well like 01:17:806 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - compared to 01:18:338 (7,8,9) - and so on I want to keep the pattern consistent. expressing them differently is really awkward for mapping. sure, i can do them differently, but patterning would suffer, as would rhythm and flow.

01:32:706 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - you know blue zenith had a cool part at 02:57:434 - 03:02:234 - that pretty much fits what the song is doing here too, but the stream you mapped doesn't really show off the building (or dropping, however you interpret it) intensity very well That's too bad.

01:49:069 (7,8,1) - isn't differentiated either in terms of rhythm, spacing, flow or anything, and there are different sounds here. doing it only with hitsounds is a bit lackluster imo I'm not trying to differentiate.... This is a map about consistency and streams.

01:49:735 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - this is way higher intensity but mapped the same intensity as the rest of the streams, it also has fluctuations on 01:50:200 (8,1) - that aren't emphasized at all synth-wise. 01:51:863 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - is really really underdone it's not shown off at all and the synth is going crazy and the drums are all over the place but.. the stream is the same spacing and has very few direction changes It's the same as all the others. I think your idea of intensity just differs from mine. I want a consistent map that test player's endurance, tests their ability to continue consistently getting 300's, follow the freedom-dive esque aesthetic streams etc...

01:55:056 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - outro stream but it's the same spacing throughout, the piano even peaks at 01:56:120 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - but isn't shown off at all, it's the highest pitch the piano is ever going to get. also 01:55:854 - why does the hitsound volume decrease on such an intense part? it's not as major but yeah it sound be constant volume imo ^

A lot of the direction changes feel quite arbitrary or just don't exist. 00:52:794 (1) - would be grounds for a direction change. yet 00:59:712 (1,5) - 1 has a strong sound so direction change here is good, but 5 doesn't really and they change at the nearly the same angle. 00:54:391 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - changes slightly on what seems to be the 7 but the stronger note is on the 00:54:923 (9) - and so forth, this happens in a lot of places in both kiais That's the idea. it's freedom dive esque in that aspect and i really like it. i think streams nowadays respect emphasis way too much and it causes right hand rhythm to be really predictable and uninteresting.

Minor stuff:

- 00:09:890 (3) - 00:10:821 (2) - missing whistle? No theyre there on purpose. spamming all whistles sounds bad. 3 is consistent with 00:10:821 (2) - anyways.
- 00:20:599 (5,7) - removing the hitsounds here would actually sound better imo since the song has no noticeable drum here Uh no... disagree.
- 00:38:027 (2) - 1/6 here you could have taken advantage of Yea i don' want to xP.

Overall the map in its current state I think does not represent the song in the best way it can and as it stands actually chooses to ignore it in both kiais and through lack of differentiation between instruments in various places. The streams have very little emphasis spacing-wise and the infrequent direction changes, while some are present and work, don't really do much to help the emphasis. The rhythm in the kiai ignores the song pretty obviously especially when the same rhythm as 00:48:005 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - was mapped like 00:12:883 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - in a non-kiai section.

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Sorry... I think we just have differing views on how intensity should function, and you should really consider the idea behind this map more. Look at Nakagawa kanon's freedom dive. you'll see a lot of aesthetics are borrowed there. as well, the map is a test of consistency and stamina. it's not trying to delegate different spacings to match the exact pitch and intensity of every section of music. It's looking more broadly at whole stanxas, and less narrowly at specific patterns and rhythms.

Shiirn

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Shiirn 2017-07-02T00:55:21+00:00

You're using a hell of a lot of words to say absolutely nothing, Monstrata.

Pretty much your entire post is "buh-buh-but freedom dive" and "i don't feel like it".

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Monstrata

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Monstrata 2017-07-02T00:56:38+00:00

There's nothing much to say. I disagree with Mir completely. I'm just giving justification so he can at least see my perspective because I have no intention of fixing what's already great.

Shiirn

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Shiirn 2017-07-02T01:06:51+00:00

Let's take a look at some random quotes.

"i think streams nowadays respect emphasis way too much and it causes right hand rhythm to be really predictable and uninteresting."
They're streams. The entire emphasis they have will be with the cursor movements, and if you're not following the melody or the patterning in the music, but instead making shit up, you're going to want to do so consistently.

"I'm not trying to differentiate.... This is a map about consistency and streams. "
Then use your precious right hand rhythm to provide the player with a varied experience.

"I want to keep the pattern consistent. expressing them differently is really awkward for mapping. sure, i can do them differently, but patterning would suffer, as would rhythm and flow."
Then you lack creativity and capability as a mapper.

"I want a consistent map that test player's endurance, tests their ability to continue consistently getting 300's, follow the freedom-dive esque aesthetic streams etc..."
You can have that without just throwing down generic 1-8, 1-16 gentle circular motions. Especially when those combinations don't actually fit the melody.

So as a whole, you're just putting out contradictory reasons so that you can rank an embarassingly generic stream map whose only defining features is being "like freedom dive guys!" and by Monstrata.

You want consistency, but refuse to follow the melody.
You want predictability, but don't use consistent motions or movement.
You want to challenge players, but bring them an unpredictable stream challenge.

This is a shitty song for various reasons (encode quality high among them), but really... you could do better. I know you can.

Natsu

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Natsu 2017-07-02T01:13:19+00:00

gratz monstratita!

Monstrata

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Monstrata 2017-07-02T01:14:41+00:00

thx natsusito

Silent Spica

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Silent Spica 2017-07-02T01:31:43+00:00

Congrats Señorito Monstrata! Are you considering mapping more xi in the future?

Mir

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Mir 2017-07-02T01:41:09+00:00

Monstrata wrote:
Mir wrote:
well

i genuinely do have some concerns about the topdiff of this mapset

[Four Dimensions]

00:39:757 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - you drop the emphasis through slight spacing change thing with 00:38:426 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - for some reason here and the song hasn't really changed all that much, the intensity of both instances are similar This is just visuals. The "slight spacing change" isn't being used to create emphasis. You won't feel any emphatic difference when hitting those specific notes because of their spacing. um.. you do feel the difference, this is quite noticeable and does have an impact on gameplay. even if you say it's only aesthetics it's inconsistent with 00:39:491 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - aesthetically too, and since this map's core concept is apparently consistency, that breaks the concept.

00:45:876 (1,2,3) - I think this rhythm would fit the drums and piano better, what you have right now kinda.. doesn't really fit imo http://i.imgur.com/KpXKhZk.png What? No... this fits perfectly

00:44:812 (1,2,3,4) - all ignoring the 1/4, you could use 1/4 sliders here? I don't want to use 1/4's. 1/2 works better in building up the song.

The kiai at 00:46:941 - ignores so much of the song imo. Especially 00:48:005 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - this part as a lot of doubles in it that you could have mapped with 1/4 sliders or something like 00:12:883 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - which would not only represent the song way better but also provide respite from the constant 1/4 clicking. I want this to be a stream map. THey are definitely supported in the song and the rhythm being used is in no way confusing. That's exactly the problem, the song is using complex rhythm but the map isn't representing it. They're supported in the song by background noises sure, but if you map only the background noises you end up ignoring what makes the song.. the song, which is the problem I have with your rhythm. You can have it be a stream map in all the other places, but this doesn't rhythm doesn't really fit here. This rhythm is also separating the stanzas - they're different phrases. This is also - if I didn't misread - a concept of your map, and it's breaking it

00:51:198 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2) - sidenote the whistles here overlap each other so annoyingly when they're put on such high bpm 1/4, it actually takes away from the gameplay experience imo so what i would suggest is using a shorter whistle so that they don't overlap as noticeably
Uh.. I jsut disagree. THey're maybe annoying to you, but they fit very well for me.

00:53:061 (1,2) - is also cool as an emphasis tool but then using 1/4 sliders again for 00:54:125 (1,2) - is kind of undermapping it a bit imo, they're noticeable drums and you could have done something like http://i.imgur.com/RlPIw9N.jpg What? They're following the drum. And it really helps to separate this rhythm from the rest of the streams. If it's separating the rhythm you want, you may as well make 00:53:061 (1,2,1,2) - circles instead of 1/4 sliders because what you're doing with these is blending different rhythm 00:53:593 (1,2,1,2) - with the same objects, which is exactly what you're telling me you want to avoid. you even said earlier that "1/2 works better in building up the song."

00:54:923 - from here the song really lowers in intensity but the map doesn't at all, what would fit here is a couple of 1/4 reverses like http://i.imgur.com/bncrIlL.png or something to represent that change in intensity instead of keeping the same intensity stream It doesn't lower in intensity. Listen to the 1/4's they are still there. You are basing the "lack of intensity" on the fact that the high piano note is held which is subjective at best. I'm having a hard time understanding how a held piano warrants a stream then, because blending the lower and upper layer of the music for this change is in essence ignoring the separation of these stanzas, which is also, as you said, a concept of your map

00:56:519 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) - this ncing seems to be inconsistent with 00:48:005 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - but again my point about rhythm here and other places My bad. But i'm not dq'ing unless theres a valid reason. lets see...

01:02:240 (4,5,6) - these call for circles imo, differentiation here would work wonders to represent this build up since they look the same as the rest of the 1/4 sliders but cover different sounds Theyre definitely kicksliders... just listen to the kick rhythm. okay, 01:02:240 (4,5,6) - aren't 1/4 drums in the song after all, your hitsound mislead me. this entire section is 1/2 drums, in which case why not make them all circles instead since, again, you said above "1/2 works better in building up the song."

01:16:209 - song changes here too, lots of drums introduced but the emphasis doesn't really change. the flow gets sharper sure but i think you could also use spacing emphasis when the drums change intensity as well like 01:17:806 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - compared to 01:18:338 (7,8,9) - and so on I want to keep the pattern consistent. expressing them differently is really awkward for mapping. sure, i can do them differently, but patterning would suffer, as would rhythm and flow. because the way you have it right now isn't expressing them to the fullest potential, that's why it would be hard to change

01:32:706 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - you know blue zenith had a cool part at 02:57:434 - 03:02:234 - that pretty much fits what the song is doing here too, but the stream you mapped doesn't really show off the building (or dropping, however you interpret it) intensity very well That's too bad. Uhm, excuse me? Can you at least give me a reason as to why you don't want to do this, instead of saying "That's too bad." and letting it drop?

01:49:069 (7,8,1) - isn't differentiated either in terms of rhythm, spacing, flow or anything, and there are different sounds here. doing it only with hitsounds is a bit lackluster imo I'm not trying to differentiate.... This is a map about consistency and streams. you have stream everywhere else it's just 3 notes that you'd be sacrificing, and it would improve the emphasis altogether. it's still a stream map

01:49:735 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - this is way higher intensity but mapped the same intensity as the rest of the streams, it also has fluctuations on 01:50:200 (8,1) - that aren't emphasized at all synth-wise. 01:51:863 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - is really really underdone it's not shown off at all and the synth is going crazy and the drums are all over the place but.. the stream is the same spacing and has very few direction changes It's the same as all the others. I think your idea of intensity just differs from mine. I want a consistent map that test player's endurance, tests their ability to continue consistently getting 300's, follow the freedom-dive esque aesthetic streams etc... okay that's a good aim and I respect that but you're sacrificing emphasizing the song itself for making the map challenging. you're misrepresenting the song because you want to just have one massive stream that players have to click that doesn't follow the intensity of the music. emphasizing this would give a challenge, and it would test the players endurance to adapt to this change as well

01:55:056 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - outro stream but it's the same spacing throughout, the piano even peaks at 01:56:120 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - but isn't shown off at all, it's the highest pitch the piano is ever going to get. also 01:55:854 - why does the hitsound volume decrease on such an intense part? it's not as major but yeah it sound be constant volume imo ^ ^

A lot of the direction changes feel quite arbitrary or just don't exist. 00:52:794 (1) - would be grounds for a direction change. yet 00:59:712 (1,5) - 1 has a strong sound so direction change here is good, but 5 doesn't really and they change at the nearly the same angle. 00:54:391 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - changes slightly on what seems to be the 7 but the stronger note is on the 00:54:923 (9) - and so forth, this happens in a lot of places in both kiais That's the idea. it's freedom dive esque in that aspect and i really like it. i think streams nowadays respect emphasis way too much and it causes right hand rhythm to be really predictable and uninteresting. but what you're doing is making predictable and uninteresting rhythm that's ignoring the song - the song itself is unpredictable, just look at the places i pointed out where you ignore that unpredictable nature to put in your predictable streams. you're doing the exact thing you want to avoid doing, just without the emphasis part. your rhythm is predictable because it's all 1/4 deathstreams, and it's uninteresting because it's all 1/4 deathstreams.

Minor stuff:

- 00:09:890 (3) - 00:10:821 (2) - missing whistle? No theyre there on purpose. spamming all whistles sounds bad. 3 is consistent with 00:10:821 (2) - anyways.
- 00:20:599 (5,7) - removing the hitsounds here would actually sound better imo since the song has no noticeable drum here Uh no... disagree.
- 00:38:027 (2) - 1/6 here you could have taken advantage of Yea i don' want to xP.

Overall the map in its current state I think does not represent the song in the best way it can and as it stands actually chooses to ignore it in both kiais and through lack of differentiation between instruments in various places. The streams have very little emphasis spacing-wise and the infrequent direction changes, while some are present and work, don't really do much to help the emphasis. The rhythm in the kiai ignores the song pretty obviously especially when the same rhythm as 00:48:005 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - was mapped like 00:12:883 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - in a non-kiai section.
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Sorry... I think we just have differing views on how intensity should function, and you should really consider the idea behind this map more. Look at Nakagawa kanon's freedom dive. you'll see a lot of aesthetics are borrowed there. as well, the map is a test of consistency and stamina. it's not trying to delegate different spacings to match the exact pitch and intensity of every section of music. It's looking more broadly at whole stanxas, and less narrowly at specific patterns and rhythms.

The stuff I didn't reply to I'm fine with the "explanations" for.

Monstrata, come on.

If you want to compare different maps (which is never a good idea, I think we both know using other maps for justifying things on a different map isn't very solid reasoning) Nakagawa Kanon mapped the melody of Freedom Dive, but you ignore this song's melody. How could you compare that? In Freedom Dive: 01:47:974 - look at this kiai, it follows the melody in the song to a T, it does it consistently and in a challenging way that emphasizes everything in a reasonable way. Your map really isn't doing that very much, and I think you know that.

I'm sorry Monstrata, but I'm inclined to disagree with a lot of what you replied to me with, and the way you replied came across quite condescending. I would appreciate if we could treat each other with a bit of respect here, we're both trying to make this the best map it can be, so let's try to come to a compromise where that's possible.

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Mun

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Mun 2017-07-02T01:55:35+00:00

Making a map to be "like Freedom Dive" is... interesting. Freedom Dive was ranked in mid-2012, and in the 5 years since its ranking (a week ago today), it has garnered the attention of tens of thousands of players: being one of the first maps ever to hold a 700pp play, and the first map ever to have an 800pp score.

However, though this map has stayed one of osu!'s iconic maps throughout the ages (I got into this game after watching cooker's 700pp play on it), its age began to show years ago. Modelling a map after an extremely flawed map that could never make it through ~~The Great Filter~~ the ranking process today won't turn out well, no matter how you try to spin it. There's not much theming going on here at all - it's just making a generic stream map represent a song really well in the sense that both are intolerable.

Pachiru

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Pachiru 2017-07-02T02:05:10+00:00

Is that normal that the diffs got like a lot useless green timing lines? I don't think it's a problem tbh, but just pointing that.
Apart from that, gg to all the gders, and Monstrata for making this ranked

Monstrata

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Monstrata 2017-07-02T02:50:19+00:00

Mir wrote:
Monstrata wrote:
well

i genuinely do have some concerns about the topdiff of this mapset

[Four Dimensions]

00:39:757 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - you drop the emphasis through slight spacing change thing with 00:38:426 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - for some reason here and the song hasn't really changed all that much, the intensity of both instances are similar This is just visuals. The "slight spacing change" isn't being used to create emphasis. You won't feel any emphatic difference when hitting those specific notes because of their spacing. um.. you do feel the difference, this is quite noticeable and does have an impact on gameplay. even if you say it's only aesthetics it's inconsistent with 00:39:491 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - aesthetically too, and since this map's core concept is apparently consistency, that breaks the concept. You feel the difference not because of the spacing but because of the angle shift. The map uses a very consistent rhythm. I use aesthetic changes such as turns and dips in streams to create variety and difficulty in tracking the stream movement.

The kiai at 00:46:941 - ignores so much of the song imo. Especially 00:48:005 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - this part as a lot of doubles in it that you could have mapped with 1/4 sliders or something like 00:12:883 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - which would not only represent the song way better but also provide respite from the constant 1/4 clicking. I want this to be a stream map. THey are definitely supported in the song and the rhythm being used is in no way confusing. That's exactly the problem, the song is using complex rhythm but the map isn't representing it. They're supported in the song by background noises sure, but if you map only the background noises you end up ignoring what makes the song.. the song, which is the problem I have with your rhythm. You can have it be a stream map in all the other places, but this doesn't rhythm doesn't really fit here. This rhythm is also separating the stanzas - they're different phrases. This is also - if I didn't misread - a concept of your map, and it's breaking it Just because i'm not following the layer you think is the dominant layer doesn't mean I'm not following the song... Also looking at the rhythms you "want" me to map instead,
there would be very few places where streams would actually fit because the layer you believe is the strongest does not allow for stream mapping, only triplet spam, and that's not something I consider reflective of the song at all.

00:53:061 (1,2) - is also cool as an emphasis tool but then using 1/4 sliders again for 00:54:125 (1,2) - is kind of undermapping it a bit imo, they're noticeable drums and you could have done something like http://i.imgur.com/RlPIw9N.jpg What? They're following the drum. And it really helps to separate this rhythm from the rest of the streams. If it's separating the rhythm you want, you may as well make 00:53:061 (1,2,1,2) - circles instead of 1/4 sliders because what you're doing with these is blending different rhythm 00:53:593 (1,2,1,2) - with the same objects, which is exactly what you're telling me you want to avoid. you even said earlier that "1/2 works better in building up the song." Those examples aren't even related... you're taking my words out of context now. These are fine as kicksliders. They function as 1/2 clicking breaks in between streams and map the drum rhythm here.1-2-3--- 1-2-3--- 1-2-stream...

00:54:923 - from here the song really lowers in intensity but the map doesn't at all, what would fit here is a couple of 1/4 reverses like http://i.imgur.com/bncrIlL.png or something to represent that change in intensity instead of keeping the same intensity stream It doesn't lower in intensity. Listen to the 1/4's they are still there. You are basing the "lack of intensity" on the fact that the high piano note is held which is subjective at best. I'm having a hard time understanding how a held piano warrants a stream then, because blending the lower and upper layer of the music for this change is in essence ignoring the separation of these stanzas, which is also, as you said, a concept of your map Because the piano layer you're following isn't the layer I consider dominant. It's exactly why I don't use triplet spam rhythms too because those rhythms would reflect the piano sound you envision no? Hopefully you see my perspective now. Also just because a sound is held doesn't mean you just map it. You can default to following other sounds, especially if those other sounds are what I consider more dominant to begin with. Slapping a 2/1 slider here is a mistake, i'm sure you can agree.

01:02:240 (4,5,6) - these call for circles imo, differentiation here would work wonders to represent this build up since they look the same as the rest of the 1/4 sliders but cover different sounds Theyre definitely kicksliders... just listen to the kick rhythm. okay, 01:02:240 (4,5,6) - aren't 1/4 drums in the song after all, your hitsound mislead me. this entire section is 1/2 drums, in which case why not make them all circles instead since, again, you said above "1/2 works better in building up the song." Why not make all 1/2 circles? What? Why not make them all kicksliders? It's the same argument... Think of their function rhythmically. It's the 1/2 clicks. The kicksliders are there to maintain intensity because using 1/2 circles feels far too light for this bpm and rhythm density.

01:16:209 - song changes here too, lots of drums introduced but the emphasis doesn't really change. the flow gets sharper sure but i think you could also use spacing emphasis when the drums change intensity as well like 01:17:806 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - compared to 01:18:338 (7,8,9) - and so on I want to keep the pattern consistent. expressing them differently is really awkward for mapping. sure, i can do them differently, but patterning would suffer, as would rhythm and flow. because the way you have it right now isn't expressing them to the fullest potential, that's why it would be hard to change I'm fine with it. I think ht expresses them adequately. Feel free to give me ideas if you think there is a better way to map them that doesn't interfere with my consistent spacing structure and flow. Otherwise I am keeping because all of these 1/3 streams are necessary in this sort of aesthetic because they are trying to constrict mapper's movement through tighter and tighter angles. Breaking structure here for the sake of mapping some drums "more properly" ends up detracting from the player experience here. I don't think theres a need to express these sounds differently because fundamentally,
that would suggest that I am trying to emphasize those sounds, or highlight them, and that's not my intention.

01:32:706 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - you know blue zenith had a cool part at 02:57:434 - 03:02:234 - that pretty much fits what the song is doing here too, but the stream you mapped doesn't really show off the building (or dropping, however you interpret it) intensity very well That's too bad. Uhm, excuse me? Can you at least give me a reason as to why you don't want to do this, instead of saying "That's too bad." and letting it drop? It's just a consistent stream until near the end because only that section is where the song drops slightly in intensity.

01:49:069 (7,8,1) - isn't differentiated either in terms of rhythm, spacing, flow or anything, and there are different sounds here. doing it only with hitsounds is a bit lackluster imo I'm not trying to differentiate.... This is a map about consistency and streams. you have stream everywhere else it's just 3 notes that you'd be sacrificing, and it would improve the emphasis altogether. it's still a stream map Its unnecessary for the same reasons I mentioned earlier with regard to those 1/3 streams. It causes a lot more damage just to follow notes that I don't think are important and worth highlighting anyways. As well, highlighting them is counterintuitive to my rhythm choice to begin with...

01:49:735 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - this is way higher intensity but mapped the same intensity as the rest of the streams, it also has fluctuations on 01:50:200 (8,1) - that aren't emphasized at all synth-wise. 01:51:863 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - is really really underdone it's not shown off at all and the synth is going crazy and the drums are all over the place but.. the stream is the same spacing and has very few direction changes It's the same as all the others. I think your idea of intensity just differs from mine. I want a consistent map that test player's endurance, tests their ability to continue consistently getting 300's, follow the freedom-dive esque aesthetic streams etc... okay that's a good aim and I respect that but you're sacrificing emphasizing the song itself for making the map challenging. you're misrepresenting the song because you want to just have one massive stream that players have to click that doesn't follow the intensity of the music. emphasizing this would give a challenge, and it would test the players endurance to adapt to this change as well I think i'm interpretting it just fine. There is no correct way to interpret the song. I disagree strongly with how you think it should be interpreted. You are welcome to map your own version if you believe my interpretation won't express the song the best. But my interpretation has strong ideas and mapping techniques behind it too. Please don't discredit my map just because you disagree with it.

01:55:056 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - outro stream but it's the same spacing throughout, the piano even peaks at 01:56:120 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - but isn't shown off at all, it's the highest pitch the piano is ever going to get. also 01:55:854 - why does the hitsound volume decrease on such an intense part? it's not as major but yeah it sound be constant volume imo ^ ^ ^

A lot of the direction changes feel quite arbitrary or just don't exist. 00:52:794 (1) - would be grounds for a direction change. yet 00:59:712 (1,5) - 1 has a strong sound so direction change here is good, but 5 doesn't really and they change at the nearly the same angle. 00:54:391 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - changes slightly on what seems to be the 7 but the stronger note is on the 00:54:923 (9) - and so forth, this happens in a lot of places in both kiais That's the idea. it's freedom dive esque in that aspect and i really like it. i think streams nowadays respect emphasis way too much and it causes right hand rhythm to be really predictable and uninteresting. but what you're doing is making predictable and uninteresting rhythm that's ignoring the song - the song itself is unpredictable, just look at the places i pointed out where you ignore that unpredictable nature to put in your predictable streams. you're doing the exact thing you want to avoid doing, just without the emphasis part. your rhythm is predictable because it's all 1/4 deathstreams, and it's uninteresting because it's all 1/4 deathstreams. Similar to what I already stated earlier.

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Sorry... I think we just have differing views on how intensity should function, and you should really consider the idea behind this map more. Look at Nakagawa kanon's freedom dive. you'll see a lot of aesthetics are borrowed there. as well, the map is a test of consistency and stamina. it's not trying to delegate different spacings to match the exact pitch and intensity of every section of music. It's looking more broadly at whole stanxas, and less narrowly at specific patterns and rhythms.
The stuff I didn't reply to I'm fine with the "explanations" for.

Monstrata, come on.

If you want to compare different maps (which is never a good idea, I think we both know using other maps for justifying things on a different map isn't very solid reasoning) Nakagawa Kanon mapped the melody of Freedom Dive, but you ignore this song's melody. How could you compare that? In Freedom Dive: 01:47:974 - look at this kiai, it follows the melody in the song to a T, it does it consistently and in a challenging way that emphasizes everything in a reasonable way. Your map really isn't doing that very much, and I think you know that.

I'm sorry Monstrata, but I'm inclined to disagree with a lot of what you replied to me with, and the way you replied came across quite condescending. I would appreciate if we could treat each other with a bit of respect here, we're both trying to make this the best map it can be, so let's try to come to a compromise where that's possible.

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You really missed the point of my map, and are modding it with the idea that what you think is the dominant layer is the correct thing to follow. Your interpretation of the song just differs completely from mine. If i come across as condescending, it's because I'm replying to your view that you think what you are following is the correct method, and mine is incorrect. I really urge you to consider it from my perspective first. The concept is evidently not flawed. If you want to improve it, improve it from how I want it mapped, that's how you make a map better. If you simply disagree, then there's not much we can say because that's simply a disagreement in mapping philosophies. I'm taking the time to explain what my intentions are because you took the time to write out this mod, but you aren't considering it from my perspective

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Monstrata

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Monstrata 2017-07-02T02:52:11+00:00

Mun wrote:
Making a map to be "like Freedom Dive" is... interesting. Freedom Dive was ranked in mid-2012, and in the 5 years since its ranking (a week ago today), it has garnered the attention of tens of thousands of players: being one of the first maps ever to hold a 700pp play, and the first map ever to have an 800pp score.

However, though this map has stayed one of osu!'s iconic maps throughout the ages (I got into this game after watching cooker's 700pp play on it), its age began to show years ago. Modelling a map after an extremely flawed map that could never make it through ~~The Great Filter~~ the ranking process today won't turn out well, no matter how you try to spin it. There's not much theming going on here at all - it's just making a generic stream map represent a song really well in the sense that both are intolerable.

I'm not using Freedom dive as an excuse for why I think this map is also rankable. That's just wrong

. Freedom dive was the inspiration, and this map was created with freedom dive's stream aesthetics in mind. everything else is me.

hi-mei

784 posts

Joined June 2014

hi-mei 2017-07-02T05:46:10+00:00

theres nothing super bad with this map, cmon guys
he mapped backgrounds cuz he wanted to, yes it doesnt really work but well, its his right to do w/e he wants if its inside the borders of rc

i dont see any significant problems here except hitsounding, but who cares, everyone uses their own skins with hitsounds

its just another mediocre map, let it go

Skyrovania

19 posts

Joined July 2014

Skyrovania 2017-07-02T11:56:29+00:00

hi-mei wrote:
theres nothing super bad with this map, cmon guys
he mapped backgrounds cuz he wanted to, yes it doesnt really work but well, its his right to do w/e he wants if its inside the borders of rc

i dont see any significant problems here except hitsounding, but who cares, everyone uses their own skins with hitsounds

its just another mediocre map, let it go

posts like this is why the ranked section is filled with maps that are only barely rankable and don't incite mappers to improve their work at all, gg

Natsu

8,075 posts

Joined September 2012

Natsu 2017-07-02T13:00:40+00:00

But Monstratita is right a mapper is free to follow any track that they want, so you need to take that in mind before modding something

Pachiru

osu! Alumni

2,956 posts

Joined June 2013

Pachiru 2017-07-02T13:10:59+00:00

BN Battle 2017
Mir vs Natsu & Monstrata

7:00 PM at Staples Center

Shiirn

2,896 posts

Joined August 2010

Shiirn 2017-07-02T13:51:52+00:00

Natsu wrote:
But Monstratita is right a mapper is free to follow any track that they want, so you need to take that in mind before modding something

A mapper reserves their right to make a map below their capabilities.

Everyone else reserves the right to point this out to said mapper.

You should really, really, really be familiar with these lines of thought, Natsu.

Tarrasky

1,213 posts

Joined March 2014

Tarrasky 2017-07-02T16:25:45+00:00

congrats meme mapper

Naxess

Nomination Assessment Team

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Joined March 2016

Naxess 2017-07-02T17:40:41+00:00

Having a different perspective and interpretation doesn't mean they are equally ideal for the ranked section.

You feel the difference not because of the spacing but because of the angle shift. The map uses a very consistent rhythm. I use aesthetic changes such as turns and dips in streams to create variety and difficulty in tracking the stream movement.

These "dips" and "turns" do create variety and difficulty, but it barely follows the song in a consistent manner. As such, both the difficulty as well as the aesthetics become incoherent and unrepresentative of the song, which is the core of the problem.

Just because i'm not following the layer you think is the dominant layer doesn't mean I'm not following the song... Also looking at the rhythms you "want" me to map instead,
there would be very few places where streams would actually fit because the layer you believe is the strongest does not allow for stream mapping, only triplet spam, and that's not something I consider reflective of the song at all.

Generally the most prominent layer is what makes the song what it is. The problem isn't your rhythm choice, the problem is that a lot of the details in the song are ignored without the slightest indication that anything is different. You may argue that some angle changes or flow turns, but since these are already done incoherently, that connection is unlikely to be drawn. This in turn becomes detrimental to the map's overall quality.

Those examples aren't even related... you're taking my words out of context now. These are fine as kicksliders. They function as 1/2 clicking breaks in between streams and map the drum rhythm here.1-2-3--- 1-2-3--- 1-2-stream...

Mir is not taking your words out of context, the examples are actually related. The point of focus here is the comparison between the map and the song. the previous 1/2s reflect drums each 1/1. These, however, reflect drums on each 1/2. This is why circles were suggested to reflect that difference.

Because the piano layer you're following isn't the layer I consider dominant. It's exactly why I don't use triplet spam rhythms too because those rhythms would reflect the piano sound you envision no? Hopefully you see my perspective now. Also just because a sound is held doesn't mean you just map it. You can default to following other sounds, especially if those other sounds are what I consider more dominant to begin with. Slapping a 2/1 slider here is a mistake, i'm sure you can agree.

Slapping a 2/1 here isn't what was suggested, because that would completely ignore the background layer. Mir specifically suggested 1/4 reverse sliders in order to cover both layers while giving emphasis to the most dominant one in order to represent the song more accurately. You may argue that this wouldn't be consistent, but that's only because you mapped everything else with the same mindset as you did these, and doesn't retract from the initial argument.

I'm fine with it. I think ht expresses them adequately. Feel free to give me ideas if you think there is a better way to map them that doesn't interfere with my consistent spacing structure and flow. Otherwise I am keeping because all of these 1/3 streams are necessary in this sort of aesthetic because they are trying to constrict mapper's movement through tighter and tighter angles. Breaking structure here for the sake of mapping some drums "more properly" ends up detracting from the player experience here. I don't think theres a need to express these sounds differently because fundamentally, that would suggest that I am trying to emphasize those sounds, or highlight them, and that's not my intention.

There's really no need to break structure at all, you could potentially just lower the spacing between 01:13:548 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - and any other 1/3 stream until the point that the drums kick in. That way the map would actually imply that something is different from the previous streams. Not wanting to emphasize those sounds is essentially just ignoring that they're there in other words, which would be unrepresentative of the song.

It's just a consistent stream until near the end because only that section is where the song drops slightly in intensity.

The argument for the above point also applies here. By intentionally implying that nothing changes, the map is basically ignoring that the drums in the song are now completely gone. The same idea can be applied to the way the piano is completely ignored for the sake molding the map into what you imagined it would be, without respect for what the song itself is actually expressing.

Its unnecessary for the same reasons I mentioned earlier with regard to those 1/3 streams. It causes a lot more damage just to follow notes that I don't think are important and worth highlighting anyways. As well, highlighting them is counterintuitive to my rhythm choice to begin with...

You assume that the only way to reflect these is through rhythm and fear that any change made in this regard will no longer make your map worthy of the title "stream map", when in reality you can do so through the many other aspects given in the game. Just think of spacing, flow, angle changes, etc. The things you used to give visual charm and difficulty can also be used reflectively. There's no need to ignore the song to make these come alive. Problem with implementing it now, with the map in it's current state, is that it would lack contrast due to the way these concepts are previously incoherent. You may assume that implementing this, as you assume I am envisioning it, would be even more counter-intuitive, but this is where mapping skill shines most.

I think i'm interpretting it just fine. There is no correct way to interpret the song. I disagree strongly with how you think it should be interpreted. You are welcome to map your own version if you believe my interpretation won't express the song the best. But my interpretation has strong ideas and mapping techniques behind it too. Please don't discredit my map just because you disagree with it.

Mir's intent is not to discredit your map, it is to help you improve it before it's too late. There may be no correct way to interpret or map a song, but there are certainly ways that are better than others in many perspectives; otherwise there wouldn't be a need for a ranked section or ranking system. Encouraging Mir to map their own version is just irrelevant and irresponsible at best. How strongly you disagree does not matter in a discussion. What matters is how you argue for your cause. Solely disagreeing really only ends it with Mir's argument unanswered.

Seriously, just because something is rankable doesn't mean it should be ranked. Just because something is subjective doesn't mean it's invalid. Just because you disagree with a perspective doesn't mean you should ignore it's arguments. At least discuss it properly instead of saying that their standpoint is different from yours and leaving it at that.

Monstrata

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

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Joined May 2013

Topic Starter

Monstrata 2017-07-02T17:47:58+00:00

I did? I think you're making a really big assumption that I'm just saying "we have different viewpoints, therefore there is no discussion". I clearly explained the concepts I utilized on the highest difficulty. Mir is operating on the idea that the kiais should follow the high piano rhythm as the dominant layer. Fundamentally, we disagree on that notion because I don't believe the high piano layer is the dominant layer. The track is incredibly rich in layers. If you look at Mir's suggestions, they all involve mapping the high piano layer which he believes is dominant. Because we fundamentally disagree on the correct layers, it's very difficult for me to discuss every point he brings up without at least referencing our fundamental disagreement.

Suggestions like "why didn't you map this / why didn't you highlight these specific notes / why didn't you emphasize this particular high piano note" all make the assumption that the high piano layer is the layer I should be following. Hopefully you can see why this won't work. It's making an incorrect assumption that the high piano layer is the layer that should be followed, and building a mod around fixing my map to reflect the high piano layer.

Tarrasky

1,213 posts

Joined March 2014

Tarrasky 2017-07-02T19:26:28+00:00

last diff, just a little question

00:46:941 - until 00:58:315 - respecting the stronger song of the drums, making 1/4 slider jumps when necessary, like 00:50:666 (1,2,3,4) - and still ignoring piano songs like 00:53:526 - 00:54:058 - for gives more emphasis in the drums,
00:58:382 - until the end of first kiai - certainly not following the drums, with clearly ignored in 01:00:644 - until 01:01:708 - with musically speaking are the same beat than 00:53:061 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - for example.

Can you explain, in your perspective, why this inconsistency? Because, in my opinion, the map must be at least consistent with moments that are musically the same, there's no why you add these notes for example 00:58:382 (1,2) - and being completely unstable with 00:49:868 (5,6,7,8) - that is the same song (you have added a normal sample clap in here 00:58:515 (2) - just because is a sliderjump? and in 00:50:000 (7) - that is the same song there aren't these hitsounds).

Monstrata

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

4,642 posts

Joined May 2013

Topic Starter

Monstrata 2017-07-02T20:20:58+00:00

Tarrasky wrote:
last diff, just a little question

00:46:941 - until 00:58:315 - respecting the stronger song of the drums, making 1/4 slider jumps when necessary, like 00:50:666 (1,2,3,4) - and still ignoring piano songs like 00:53:526 - 00:54:058 - for gives more emphasis in the drums,
00:58:382 - until the end of first kiai - certainly not following the drums, with clearly ignored in 01:00:644 - until 01:01:708 - with musically speaking are the same beat than 00:53:061 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - for example.
Can you explain, in your perspective, why this inconsistency? Because, in my opinion, the map must be at least consistent with moments that are musically the same, there's no why you add these notes for example 00:58:382 (1,2) - and being completely unstable with 00:49:868 (5,6,7,8) - that is the same song (you have added a normal sample clap in here 00:58:515 (2) - just because is a sliderjump? and in 00:50:000 (7) - that is the same song there aren't these hitsounds).

I thought the first kiai was still easy enough to allow for some variable rhythm. The first kiai's track isn't as consistent as the second kiai too. For example 00:50:666 (1,2,3,4) - as you pointed out, is the only place where there's four kicks in a row. Second kiai is completely consistent though so it's mapped as such. Well, anyways, i appreciate that you are pointing out inconsistencies with my map's idea intact. I don't think it's necessary to change this since 98% of the map is consistent so its okay to variate a bit on the first kiai, but this is something I can fix if we find something worth dq'ing in the future. I feel changing this would just be "different" and not "better" basically, so I'd prefer to leave it, but thanks.

hi-mei

784 posts

Joined June 2014

hi-mei 2017-07-02T20:32:16+00:00

I thought in 2017 arguments like "its my style u dont understand" doesnt work?

i mean, yea these mods are the same like "ure style is shit i dont like it" but its not like one person said that, its a lot of people seeing a problem with it

and also it brings up a question, like

do you really know what youre doing?

its not a map you can play, or a map that people can play
its map for 5-10 guys in the entire community who can properly estimate it, or to be real, for 1 person

i still think this map is decent, not great, the mapper doesnt really understand the music hes mapping but its above "shit" threshold
so gz on rank i guess?

_handholding

3,109 posts

Joined April 2014

_handholding 2017-07-02T20:42:25+00:00

fk I posted a mod but I deleted it whilst editing... I'll redo it again later

Monstrata

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

4,642 posts

Joined May 2013

Topic Starter

Monstrata 2017-07-02T20:55:26+00:00

:eyes:

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Mercusheigan

281 posts

Joined December 2012

Mercusheigan 2017-07-02T21:01:41+00:00

SPOILER

Monstrata wrote:
By "lots of people" I assume you mean Mir? .

Okay, let me explain the situation through re:zero.

So once upon a time their lived a NEET named Subaru.

One day, Hooker Rem comes up to Subaru and is like "Yo my boi Soobz I heard you liked Emilia, so I'm going to help you out!"

And then she tells Subaru all these things like "okay dude, so first, you ahve to act like you care a lot about people cuz Emilia likes people who care abot ppl and you have to tell her that being a half elf is great awesome sugoi and that way you can win her over! also you need to do something about ur hair is hideous, and also stop wearing the same jacket every day like wtf are you some shounen protagonist or something"

But then Subaru is like.... "But..."

[]

Hopefully we reach some mutual understanding now.

what the fuck

hi-mei

784 posts

Joined June 2014

hi-mei 2017-07-02T21:08:01+00:00

dude you got some problems

Ideal

Nomination Assessment Team

627 posts

Joined January 2014

Ideal 2017-07-02T22:18:44+00:00

re:zero is garbage just like all anime

now direct your flaming towards me

Adiopulse

147 posts

Joined May 2014

Adiopulse 2017-07-02T23:19:05+00:00

I'm not here to ruin the game, I'm here to ruin your game

me while modding this

Atsuro's Extra

00:07:229 note should be here
00:07:296 (9,10) this should just be on slider

00:07:562 suggest using this for better accent of the notes https://puu.sh/wA1hz/16c46a7095.png

00:11:885 in this pause section you could really benefit from mapping those low base/synth sounds with sliders and give you a really good entry into 00:20:333

00:33:637 this is part is wrong, here's how it should look like https://puu.sh/wA1NB/0669599a2b.png the 8 combo note was on a `1/4 snap and should be on a 1/6 at 00:33:992

00:34:369 add a note here

00:38:027 should be a small 3 1/6 stream instead of the 2 1/4 you have here to better reflect the piano

00:43:149 add a note here

00:52:794 (3) this doesn't really make sense to me really, the kick back doesn't even align with the big kick at 00:53:061

01:00:245 something HAS to accent this kick, you do it for the rest in this combo

01:01:309 (3) another awk slider like last time

01:15:411 (10) no reason for this to kick back

4 Dickerinosion

00:03:304 should be like this to match the rhythm https://puu.sh/wA46B/c62395b45c.png

to stay consistent with your changing direction of the stream 00:24:058 (1) this should be accented more like the ones prior
00:25:588 (8) ^

I find that you are very inconsistent with the gimmick

Monstrata

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

4,642 posts

Joined May 2013

Topic Starter

Monstrata 2017-07-03T00:18:30+00:00

Adiopulse wrote:
I'm not here to ruin the game, I'm here to ruin your game

me while modding this

Atsuro's Extra
00:07:229 note should be here
00:07:296 (9,10) this should just be on slider

00:07:562 suggest using this for better accent of the notes https://puu.sh/wA1hz/16c46a7095.png

00:11:885 in this pause section you could really benefit from mapping those low base/synth sounds with sliders and give you a really good entry into 00:20:333

00:33:637 this is part is wrong, here's how it should look like https://puu.sh/wA1NB/0669599a2b.png the 8 combo note was on a `1/4 snap and should be on a 1/6 at 00:33:992

00:34:369 add a note here

00:38:027 should be a small 3 1/6 stream instead of the 2 1/4 you have here to better reflect the piano

00:43:149 add a note here

00:52:794 (3) this doesn't really make sense to me really, the kick back doesn't even align with the big kick at 00:53:061

01:00:245 something HAS to accent this kick, you do it for the rest in this combo

01:01:309 (3) another awk slider like last time

01:15:411 (10) no reason for this to kick back

4 Dickerinosion
00:03:304 should be like this to match the rhythm https://puu.sh/wA46B/c62395b45c.png What? nope, its supposed to be a triplet to match the other triplets.

to stay consistent with your changing direction of the stream 00:24:058 (1) this should be accented more like the ones prior clockwise to counterclockwise flow shift.
00:25:588 (8) ^ ^

I find that you are very inconsistent with the gimmick

Net0

Beatmap Nominator

1,258 posts

Joined October 2014

Net0 2017-07-03T02:21:07+00:00

The only thing I'd request to change in this mapset is the last diff name. Why four dimensions top diff name if your map is not a tribute or similar to the original Freedom Dive map? (not saying Blue Zenith is similar either, but I wasn't really involved with mapping when that got ranked). If it's just because it's a xi song I'm ok with that as long as the next mappers who want to rank xi stuff will also be capable of using that diff name.

note551

42 posts

Joined December 2014

note551 2017-07-03T03:35:10+00:00

Net0 wrote:
The only thing I'd request to change in this mapset is the last diff name. Why four dimensions top diff name if your map is not a tribute or similar to the original Freedom Dive map? (not saying Blue Zenith is similar either, but I wasn't really involved with mapping when that got ranked). If it's just because it's a xi song I'm ok with that as long as the next mappers who want to rank xi stuff will also be capable of using that diff name.

I believe it's a sequel of sorts to freedom dive

Kyouren

5,639 posts

Joined October 2012

Kyouren 2017-07-03T13:05:47+00:00

Glorious Crown is sequel from Freedom Dive. If you listening the full version in the middle song, that has Freedom Dive part

-Sh1n1-

3,402 posts

Joined September 2012

-Sh1n1- 2017-07-03T19:50:16+00:00

I like how "monstratita" sounds, I should start to call u like that :3 Gratz bro

Ascendance

Elite Mapper

4,245 posts

Joined July 2013

Ascendance 2017-07-04T01:52:54+00:00

Writing walls of text on Monstrata maps is a rite of passage as a new BN, ushered forward by the era of Naxess and carried forth by his pupil Mir

Vivyanne

1,217 posts

Joined December 2013

Vivyanne 2017-07-04T08:53:10+00:00

Edit: this isnt how i should be, even when tripping out and getting triggered. I'm sorry for not being able to keep my posture, i expect no further response.

original post if you care

00:22:994 (1,1) - so both of these have a sharp angle here to emphasise the drum that comes in here, however at 00:24:058 (1,5) - you go about making the stream feel natural eventhough the song has the same sounds playing? i think this is an inconsitency
00:48:803 (5) - missed NC? the sound that's playing here is very similar to 00:48:271 (1) - which also had its own NC
00:54:923 (9) - would've loved to see this note be emphasised a bit more as its like a closure to me. the drum sound here seems to have a longer sound duration than the others (00:54:391 (1,5) - ) and yes it's stronger than the others. just try to consider adding in at least some NCs here to get it going good
00:58:648 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - i fail to understand what was tried to be achieved here. what's being emphasised? it just feels like you started to feel that your streams were becoming too bland (which they are btw) so you just throw this in? it's making for a massive inconsistency in the streams and I'd suggest making this similar to the other 16 note boringness as before. not to mention that 00:59:180 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - is where all the drums are.
01:01:309 (9) - finish here like 01:00:776 (1) - but this time without emphasis!
01:03:970 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1) - can you PLEASE find a way to make this stand out more above the rest of the part. i mean, the streams i think should increase in spacing and increase even more off of 01:04:502 (9) - due to the pitch reaching an all-time high that wasn't done anywhere else in the song before and due to the extra background noices that are being added up to this particular set of notes. for the sake of representing a song through a map please do something
01:06:896 (1) - i like to believe that this slider shouldnt be visually the same as 01:07:162 (1) - due to the big difference in sound that they emphasise. 01:06:896 (1) - is clearly a different drum beat thats being emphasised as 01:07:162 (1) - which i think you should also be able to figure out. if caring about visuals, then i think this should most definetly change as if visuals were actually important you would differenciate objects accordingly to emphasise the difference in sounds that the song makes.
01:16:209 (7,8,9) - really no care in making this different? heck even stacking would already make a great difference in showing that the music changes here. if i were to play this map without the song itself i would never be able to see that the song is changing any bit at all.
01:39:890 (1,2) - HOLD YOUR HORSES HERE FAM where the Living Hell is my Clickable Objects? ?? ? in all seriousness though, if you really feel like these should be kicksliders there might be something wrong with your headset/speaker/ear pods. the song here clearly has 4 drumbeats played on the 1/4 here but the map doesn't acknowledge them at all by making only half of them clickable. major concern imo
01:51:664 (6,4,5) - chap even for my standards on visuals this just bad
01:55:056 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - ok? so no emphasis on any of the 1/8 played here? like, not even mapping in 1/8 kicksliders to show that you're listening to the song here? also the last 8 notes don't have decreasing spacing while the song is clearly decreasing in intensity? damn time to buy some new audio setup boi cuz it feels like you have none.

"You're rude" is not really relevant when I as a player constantly find maps in the qualified section that looks like they had no effort put into them and were only made for gaining popularity and increasing his ego. This map feels very low quality, as if the mapper didn't give a single attempt to represent the song, but instead gives the impression "oh i mapped it in 1 hour lolxd." Please, try to put some more effort into your mapping and don't make streams that are this bland and boring to play. I haven't managed to finish the map once due to me clicking out of the map because I'm so bored, and I don't ever intend to look back. The map in its current state is a massive inconsistent pile of trash that shows no regard for what xi's song is doing

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Enitoni

34 posts

Joined October 2016

Enitoni 2017-07-04T09:18:12+00:00

I'm not really a mapper, so I'm not going to do any modding, as I don't have the experience. I don't expect to not get backlash from this point, but I'm going to be blunt either way as I believe honesty is the best way to go.

I do want to give my word on this situation however and how I feel about the map. The map (top diff) to me feels like a shitty Freedom Dive ripoff, what's funny about it is that it lacks all the fun and creativity that Freedom Dive had. I feel like a lot of the streams, especially the ones near the end don't really represent the song at all, you can hear this intricate melody happening present in the song, but the streams don't really change in spacing, direction or flow to represent it. Overall, I feel the map was rushed to get it ranked as soon as possible, it feels very low quality and not to mention bland and boring.

I also want to address the arrogant vibe you're giving off here, Mr Triangle. There are many valid points that Mir and Naxess came with, but instead of listening to them, you actively act rude and condescending, dismissing the points. "That's too bad" is not a valid argument against a mod point, it's childish and immature. Is it because you think your map is perfect and needs no correction? I got that vibe when you said "I have no intention of fixing what's already great." Because you're a BN, and because everyone looks up to you, there's a cult of people who follow you and actively shut down other people who disagree with you, do you really want people to represent you this way?

Mir and Naxess are not trying to get your map forgotten and deleted, they are trying to improve it. So stop being stubborn and unreasonable and listen to them. Your map falls under the category "barely rankable" otherwise, which is of course the reputation you have gained now.

You should really try and step down a bit Monstrata, nobody likes arrogance.

Syph

Beatmap Nominator

848 posts

Joined August 2014

Syph 2017-07-04T09:55:19+00:00

HighTec wrote:
aoiuzhfnojklsnhfsek

what made u have an attitude like this lol u don't have to flame people in nearly every sentence and act so condescending for no reason
also a honest question can u even play a map like this because i think "i haven't even managed to finish the map once because it's boring" is kinda irrelevant when you can't even actually pass it

just a personal comment from taking a quick look at the map myself: i think the 1/3 section could've been a bit more interesting by changing direction or spacing or whatever on the stronger notes like 01:16:209 (7,8,9,1) - 01:16:741 (1,2,3,4) - 01:17:273 (7,8,9,1) - etc

Vivyanne

1,217 posts

Joined December 2013

Vivyanne 2017-07-04T10:07:14+00:00

Edit: .

SnowNiNo_

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

2,108 posts

Joined April 2013

SnowNiNo_ 2017-07-04T11:16:20+00:00

mfw everyone can write an essay except me

Grim Rapper