Lyssei wrote:

Look it's a mod! More or less.

17:42 Mir: did i tell you i remapped my first map for rank xd
17:43 Lyssei: Oh
17:43 Lyssei: nope but show me
17:43 *Mir is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1092357 Trivecta - Labyrinth (feat. Miyoki) [Desperation]]
17:44 Lyssei: Ohh I saw you map that and watch others play it
17:44 Mir: mhm
17:44 Lyssei: Didn't know that was your first tho
17:44 Mir: cuz it has some really spaced triples in it xD
17:44 Lyssei: I see
17:44 Lyssei: Wanna watch me play it?
17:44 *Lyssei is playing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1092357 Trivecta - Labyrinth (feat. Miyoki) [Desperation]] -NoFail
17:44 Lyssei: Don't judge my nf k
17:45 Mir: okok
17:50 Lyssei: Huh didn't need nf hm
17:50 Mir: so much edge in that map holy
17:50 Mir: LOL
17:50 Lyssei: Ah, you really like making your maps hard to read tho
17:51 Mir: this one was thematically hard in the sense that
17:51 Mir: a labyrinth is hard to find your way
17:51 Mir: and you end up going back and forth
17:51 Lyssei: Sec lemme play again cuz I need to check smt xD I'll tell you some things after
17:51 Mir: hence copy-paste patterning
17:51 Mir: oki
17:53 Lyssei: Hmm
17:53 Lyssei: It's not that the triples are too hard for 5*, but
17:54 Lyssei: Honestly they are a bit over the top
17:54 Lyssei: Also, I'm pretty sure if you removed them it wouldn't even reach 5* lol
17:54 Lyssei: Bit big of a difference
17:55 Mir: LOL
17:55 Mir: yeah probably
17:55 Mir: im considering nerfing them
17:57 Lyssei: You really should imo xd
17:57 Lyssei: Ah, tho
17:57 Lyssei: I like your slow sv
17:58 Mir: hehe
17:58 Lyssei: 01:07:719 (1,2,3) - These aren't readable though
17:58 Lyssei: Unless you feel like going lindwurm
17:58 Lyssei: A bit the same as your stronger jump triples, can't read either, but
17:58 Lyssei: These ones aren't over the top for spacing I'd say
17:58 Mir: brb x
17:59 Lyssei: It's just that you don't expect it at all at this point
17:59 Lyssei: Sure
18:00 Lyssei: After 01:02:072 (6,7,8) - , nobody is going to ever expect you to suddenly make 01:07:719 (1,2,3) - x_x But yeah overall it's pretty nice, smooth play and all, slow sv fits the music
18:02 Lyssei: The part after 01:31:190 - Is pretty hard to read right away, but personally I don't think it's TOO hard, just making it sliiightly clearer would work better. Also, if you do nerf the triples and it ends up being a 3*, you wouldn't be able to make this this hard to read :^)
18:02 Lyssei: I'm exaggerating a bit but you get the point
18:03 Lyssei: I don't hear any sound on 01:41:866 (2) -
18:04 Mir: will change the 1:31 part as i was considering that anyways
18:04 Mir: concerning the first point you make the music where i space the triple is noticeably different
18:04 Mir: so it sets up "the music is different so spacing will be inverted" idea
18:04 Mir: there also is a sound on 1:41
18:04 Mir: the wub thingy
18:05 Lyssei: No that starts on the 1 after
18:05 Mir: play it on 25%
18:05 Lyssei: Also well yeah sound but surely nothing clickable
18:05 Lyssei: And with this much emphasis wow
18:05 Mir: that's totally clickable like
18:06 Mir: it's a major change in the song
18:06 Mir: and that's another place to set up "song is wildly different so triple spacing will be high" idea
18:06 Lyssei: Not on 01:41:866 (2) - there isn't xd
18:06 Mir: no there's clearly a sound therel mfao
18:06 Lyssei: Your set up needs a set up if you really want it to be this strong >.>
18:07 Mir: well i said id nerf it
18:07 Mir: so ye
18:08 Lyssei: Also
18:08 Lyssei: 01:02:072 (6,7,8) - Is the exact same drum triple as 01:07:719 (1,2,3) -
18:08 Mir: yeah but listen to the overall music
18:09 Mir: in the first one you link the music is generally all calm and normal
18:09 Mir: but the spaced one the background effects stop and the vocals come in with the te-te-te-te
18:09 Lyssei: And in the second as well :./
18:09 Lyssei: :/*
18:09 Mir: 1:02 is just a normal triple to me
18:09 Mir: 1:07 is clearly made to stand out musically so
18:09 Lyssei: So is 1.07 x)
18:09 Mir: i mapped it differently
18:10 Lyssei: Sure
18:10 Mir: listen not to the individual sound but to the music around it
18:10 Lyssei: But I really don't agree in this case ahehe
18:10 Lyssei: Yes I know what you mean
18:10 Lyssei: But I disagree
18:10 Mir: the same sound can have different emphasis based on how the music portrays it
18:10 Lyssei: I know, really, I do xD
18:11 Mir: well then this should make sense from my perspective x)
18:11 Mir: so we can agree to disagree
18:11 Lyssei: mhm
18:11 Lyssei: Also one thing that's eh kinda weird but not technically bad
18:11 Mir: tho i will nerf them all xD
18:11 Lyssei: At first I though you made it to show the lyric "unos" but then this 01:17:072 (1) -
18:12 Mir: you're reading too much into it xD
18:12 Mir: was unintentional on my part at least
18:12 Lyssei: 01:05:778 (1) - >_>
18:13 Lyssei: UNOS "Shows <1>"
18:13 Lyssei: Or maybe I should say uno
18:13 Lyssei: But honestly the way she says it kinda sounds like unos
18:13 Mir: it is uno
18:13 Lyssei: yeah, but
18:14 Lyssei: Well I guess it's more like "uno-[BREATHES OUT]"
18:14 Lyssei: And less uno-s
18:14 Mir: k changed it just for the sake of it
18:14 Lyssei: Sure xD
18:14 Mir: i don't feel like arguing over something so trivial
18:14 Lyssei: Ah, I wasn't trying to argue xd
18:14 Lyssei: Just mentioned it was a bit odd
18:16 Mir: nerfing them xd
18:17 Lyssei: Good luck xD
18:17 Lyssei: Ah, there's a couple combos that seem rather long, but I'm not sure if you paid attention to those yet
18:17 Lyssei: Or maybe you just had to reason to nc specifically
18:17 Mir: example?
18:18 Lyssei: 02:24:837 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13) -
18:21 Lyssei: 04:00:837 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - These are also long but it repeats and it's really on the edge of what you'd call long so personally I feel it's fine, but in case you hadn't noticed them yet, maybe you'll want to nc them somewhere, maybe not
18:22 Mir: the first one i changed
18:22 Mir: second one is okay tbh
18:22 Lyssei: Yeah
18:24 Lyssei: I suggest you make these easier to read, as they're really irregular 04:47:072 (1,1,1) -
18:24 Mir: hm
18:24 Lyssei: It's good to make them sliders but not sure if it's quite alright as is, reading wise
18:24 Mir: yeah
18:24 Mir: since it's the first occurance of 1/3
18:24 Mir: i'll just reverse it
18:24 Lyssei: mhm
18:24 Lyssei: Oh, alright
18:25 Mir: 04:52:366 (1,1,1) - that makes this more expectable then
18:25 Lyssei: Yeah, I was going to mention those as well, but they're cleared after having them before already so those are fine
18:26 Lyssei: Make sure you do keep all six of them nc'd though so it's recognizable
18:26 Mir: yeap
18:26 Lyssei: Well, I think those were about all of my remarks atm
18:27 Mir: sounds good
18:27 Lyssei: Aside from those where I mentioned it wasn't the case, it plays quite well
18:28 Mir: managed to nerf it without killing too much concept xD
18:28 Lyssei: Ah xD Well that should be good
18:28 Lyssei: I gtg but I'll quickly go over the nerfs to see what you changed ah
18:29 Mir: updooted
18:29 Mir: if you want you can actually get kds from it
18:29 Mir: if you do /savelog
18:29 Mir: and post on the thread
18:29 Mir: cuz this was basically a small irc mod lol
18:29 Lyssei: Oh, sure x3
18:29 Lyssei: Although
18:29 Lyssei: I am a bit shy still = -=a
18:29 Mir: shh it's okay
18:31 Mir: a
18:31 Mir: i forgot to nerf the first one
18:31 Mir: LOL
18:31 Mir: actually
18:31 Mir: hmm
18:31 Lyssei: lel
18:31 Mir: slight nerf
18:31 Mir: i still need it to be fairly spaced
18:31 Lyssei: Mhm
18:32 Lyssei: Ah, these though 01:52:896 (2,3,4,5,6) - I think it should be fine since the timing is so vastly different, but perhaps you want to nudge these sets a little to look less like your currently nerfed triples
18:33 Mir: did something else
18:33 Mir: i actually was considering changing that a bit to be more intense
18:33 Lyssei: Ah?
18:33 Mir: i ctrl+g'd 4 and 5
18:33 Mir: so they're switched now
18:33 Lyssei: Oh, I see
18:33 Lyssei: That should make it cleared yeah
18:33 Lyssei: Well, anyway like I said I gtg, so
18:34 Mir: save log D:
18:34 Mir: post for kdsss
18:34 Lyssei: ye ye
18:34 Lyssei: did
18:34 Mir: ayy
18:34 Mir: first kds from me :'3
18:34 Lyssei:
18:34 Lyssei: ty ty
18:34 Lyssei: I'll post it a bit later tho lol
18:34 Mir: okay
18:35 Lyssei: Welp, bbl o/ Good luck with your map, it looks nice so far
18:35 Lyssei: OH where did I suddenly get 2101 pp
18:48 Lyssei: I don't suppose you can send me a copy of the log? :^)
18:49 Mir: holy
18:49 Mir: did you lose it
18:49 Lyssei: Otherwise it'll have to wait till tomorrow lol
18:49 Lyssei: Nah but

Here you go x3
Good luck with the map~

Landwii wrote:

5 mins... Okthen, here goes mod from queueee

[Mod]- Make the approach rate higher to avoid messy looking things like in 01:18:484. - the ar is already a lot higher than usual making it higher is lol
- HP drain rate has to be at least 6. - not really needed tbh
- Flow changes in the map feel extremely unsmooth sometimes. like in 01:53:072 (3). - that's intentional
- Some Combo Colors blend too much with the BG. This would make the map Unrankable (And we don't want that). - honestly i don't think they're that bad but if a bn tells me to change it i will
from 00:03:615 (1) to 00:18:968 (4) - try further distance snap. It makes it look more dynamic and help it flow better. - it's not supposed to be dynamic it's supposed to be slow and lazy just like the song is
from 00:20:584 (4) to 00:25:433 (4) - Same here. ^
00:19:776 (1) - Try making this a triangle rather than a line. - no lmao this is completely intentional
00:45:202 (10) - Move this a bit so that it doesn't overlap with the 8 and make the distance less with (11). This looks weird here because of (5). - it's okay tbh
00:54:484 (1) - A break would feel better but if you wanna keep the score it's all right not to change anything. - nah I like this spinner better because the sound is whooshy
01:04:543 (1) - This is akward with the rythm (doesn't feel like the song calls a jump.) - agree made the 3 a jump instead of the 1
01:06:484 (2) - This is too far for what the map has stablished. - ok ctrl+g'd it
from 01:06:837 (1) to 01:08:425 (3) - Looks really messy, try making it a series of jumps. - this is all part of the concept, so i won't change this
02:36:131 (1) - The player would expect this to be diagonal from the last slider. - flow change for emphasis
02:53:778 (1) - This is a thing you should have introduced earlier, it's too late and the player will most likely lose at this time. - ??? this is super easy it's just singletapping
04:00:484 (9) - So many reasons why why should move this, Mainly cause the player will probably go back to move another slider that doesn't exist and then notice there was a circle stuck to a 1/2 gap. - this will never happen because the 9 appears when you hit the 8 so there's NO way that situation will happen unless the player sucks
04:03:484 (9) - Same here. - ^
04:38:602 (3) - This is all cluttered into an unreadable ball. - nope, this is fine because it's a circular stream and is easily readable in that sense
04:44:249 (2) - There was a 2 right here so players will NOT see this. - you underestimate players, this is definitely readable as i've seen in the various testplays i've gotten
05:24:026 (1) - This overlaps a UI. - cool, not really needed to change

I gotta say good Job, I see a bunch of potential there especially if it is still a WIP. As You can see, this is also a hard song for me since I'm pretty new.

sdafsf wrote:

Desperation

1. 00:26:039 (5,6,1) - this triple seems visually out of place imo. either blanket it with the head of 00:25:433 (4) - or make it one curve with 1 - changed
2. 00:27:049 (2,3) - id space this similar to 00:52:366 (6,1) - since you spaced all the 1/1s and this 1 is pretty dominant - i don't think it's so dominant, the bpm change creates an overall emphasis so i'll keep them the same spacing
3. 01:18:484 (4,5,6,7,8) - increasing spacing overtime would be neat here since the sounds get louder - mmm only slightly though, i think just having them move around is enough for me
4. 01:36:837 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2) - this is pretty underwhealming considering this is the big build up. its also way more intense than this 01:34:543 (2,3,4,5) - - remapped cuz i agree
5. 02:44:602 (1,2) - maybe tilt these against each other. parallel isnt always the neatest imo - think it's fine tbh
6. 02:54:484 (1,1,1) - ignoring the vocals here seems weird to me - focusing on the unique wubs
7. 03:17:425 (7) - the sound here is too weak to be mapped here imo. the song seems to suggest a 1/1 gap - agreed
8. 04:07:896 (1,2,3,4) - make the visual spacing consistent here. i dont hear anything that suggests the decline - i tried
9. 05:10:789 (1,1,2,1) - feels weird to me that all of these areconsistently spaced. make something besides the nc to show that theres no strong sound on 2. maybe move it closer to 05:11:352 (1) - I think 2 has a strong sound on it even though it's not high pitched. It's just a different tone so I'll keep this

neat map! really clean too. gl i hope to see it ranked soon

1. These combo colours aren't really discernible visually, and white combo colours shouldn't be used in kiai cuz it hurts people's eyes. (Hint: Ranking Criteria)
2. Unused hitsounds:
   
   1. soft-hitfinish2.wav
3. Hitsound file is not 100 ms length:
   
   1. soft-hitclap2.wav

1. 00:25:433 (4) - Should be 2 circles. There's another piano sound coming in so using a different rhythm to differentiate it from 00:23:008 (1,2,3) would be cool, since they have different sounds.
2. 00:31:089 (5) - Using a curve slider combined with 00:31:897 (7) doesn't really show a clear relation on vocals compared to how 00:29:473 (1,3) - are used to present the repetitiveness of vocals.
3. 00:47:136 (5,6,7,8,9,10) - Could do something with your flow here to make it a bit trickier and more consistent with 00:43:602 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - since vocals on both of these measures are pretty much similar, 00:44:002 - this measure you switched the flow around between clockwise and counter-clockwise, how about applying the similar thing on 00:47:136 as well? Since the flow is going counter-clockwise through the entire pattern.
4. 01:18:484 (4,5,6,7,8) - These are barely audible lol, really edgy in terms of rankability.
5. 01:27:308 (7,8) - Could use a 1/2 slider instead here, since the vocal is held longer. Same applies to 01:30:131 (7,8) - 03:59:778 (7,8) - 04:02:602 (7,8) as well if you apply my suggestion.
6. 01:35:248 (1,2) - Swap NC?
7. I don't know if you're using an entirely different concept or whatever in the later half of that kiai but it doesn't look too good since these sections aren't that different rhythmically:
   
   1. 01:55:190 (1,2) - 01:58:013 (6,7) - Was expecting these to be long sliders like 01:43:896 (1) - 01:46:719 (1) . This is not a really good variation cuz you're using different rhythms between these 01:53:778 (1) - 01:55:190 (1,2) - 01:56:602 (1) - 01:58:013 (6,7) in the later half but you didn't do the same thing with the earlier half.
   2. 01:45:308 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - And tbh you should do something like this in the later half of that kiai too for consistency in terms of relation between patterns.
8. 01:58:013 (6,1) - Swap NC? For consistency with 01:46:719 .
9. 02:04:366 (4,5) - 02:04:719 (6) - Might as well use the same rhythm on both of these cuz this 02:04:366 is pretty much same as 02:04:719 and 02:04:543 is same as 02:04:896 respectively.
10. 02:08:425 - Was expecting a circle here like 02:05:602 (2,5) - 02:11:249 (2,6) .
11. 02:11:955 (4) - Can be removed for consistency with 02:06:308 .
12. 02:17:072 (3,4,5) - Any reason for having a different rhythm on this from 02:18:484 (3,4) - 02:19:896 (3,4) . Currently it looks like an inconsistency rather than a variation zz
13. 02:20:602 (5) - Could NC here too actually for consistency with 02:16:366 (1,1,1) .
14. 03:01:719 (1,1) - You can silence the spinner ends too so they don't stick out too much.
15. 03:24:133 (1) - 03:30:843 (5) - Unsnapped zz
16. 03:25:896 (7,8,9) - The placements look like they're in the same pattern but you didn't do this kind of thing at 03:20:602 (3,4) - 03:23:425 (9,10) - despite having repetitive rhythms zz, actually 03:25:896 (7) could be circles too to differentiate from 03:26:249 (8,9) .
17. 03:28:896 (8,1) - Not playable for me lol even after several tries cuz you hid 03:28:896 (8) under 03:28:719 (7) and there's no clear indication on how this spacing 03:28:896 (8,1) is different from the rest. Sure the slider 03:28:896 (8) could indicate something but probably not as 1/4 lol, I read this 03:28:896 (8,1) as 1/2 for a first few times since the spacing on this is an entirely different scale from spacings used in the section before.
18. 04:04:366 (3,4,5,6) - Is there any meaning for overlapping these in particular? You overlapped stuff like this most of the time to present repetitiveness of the song but this one doesn’t have anything from the song to support the overlaps in particular.
19. 04:14:955 (1,2) - Visually cramped more than anything else in that part. Ctrl+H 04:14:955 (1) could work, it will look pretty much same as 04:26:249 (1,2) .
20. 04:34:719 (1) - Why are you doing a different shape when you didn't do it with other sliders like 04:23:425 (1) zz
21. 05:14:823 - Conflicted volume settings between timing lines.
22. 05:16:423 (1,2,3) - Could apply something like 05:13:275 (3,4,5) on this one too for a more consistent variation, you only did 05:13:275 (3,4,5) once tho so the variation atm is more on the inconsistent side.

Electoz wrote:

Hi I'm suck at modding

[General]

1. These combo colours aren't really discernible visually, and white combo colours shouldn't be used in kiai cuz it hurts people's eyes. (Hint: Ranking Criteria)
2. Unused hitsounds:
   
   1. soft-hitfinish2.wav
3. Hitsound file is not 100 ms length:
   
   1. soft-hitclap2.wav

For the hitsound thing I just pasted it from MA so might as well double check with Audacity or something just in case. - all fixed

[Desperation]

1. 00:25:433 (4) - Should be 2 circles. There's another piano sound coming in so using a different rhythm to differentiate it from 00:23:008 (1,2,3) would be cool, since they have different sounds.
2. 00:31:089 (5) - Using a curve slider combined with 00:31:897 (7) doesn't really show a clear relation on vocals compared to how 00:29:473 (1,3) - are used to present the repetitiveness of vocals. - yes and 00:31:089 (5) - has a higher pitch on it so it's not straight, while 1,3,7 are since the pitch is the same. Same goes for 00:34:322 (5) -
3. 00:47:136 (5,6,7,8,9,10) - Could do something with your flow here to make it a bit trickier and more consistent with 00:43:602 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - since vocals on both of these measures are pretty much similar, 00:44:002 - this measure you switched the flow around between clockwise and counter-clockwise, how about applying the similar thing on 00:47:136 as well? Since the flow is going counter-clockwise through the entire pattern. - did things here that fits with the rest of the map more
4. 01:18:484 (4,5,6,7,8) - These are barely audible lol, really edgy in terms of rankability. - raised volume
5. 01:27:308 (7,8) - Could use a 1/2 slider instead here, since the vocal is held longer. Same applies to 01:30:131 (7,8) - 03:59:778 (7,8) - 04:02:602 (7,8) as well if you apply my suggestion. - kinda want the drums for 01:27:660 (8,9) - to be clickable so not gonna apply this
6. 01:35:248 (1,2) - Swap NC? - yeah woops
7. I don't know if you're using an entirely different concept or whatever in the later half of that kiai but it doesn't look too good since these sections aren't that different rhythmically:
   
   1. 01:55:190 (1,2) - 01:58:013 (6,7) - Was expecting these to be long sliders like 01:43:896 (1) - 01:46:719 (1) . This is not a really good variation cuz you're using different rhythms between these 01:53:778 (1) - 01:55:190 (1,2) - 01:56:602 (1) - 01:58:013 (6,7) in the later half but you didn't do the same thing with the earlier half. - yeah i really don't know what i was thinking, i assumed it was slightly different but varied it too much, fixed this
   2. 01:45:308 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - And tbh you should do something like this in the later half of that kiai too for consistency in terms of relation between patterns.-
      did this too but kept the triangles because the rhythm is actually different there
8. 01:58:013 (6,1) - Swap NC? For consistency with 01:46:719 . -mhm
9. 02:04:366 (4,5) - 02:04:719 (6) - Might as well use the same rhythm on both of these cuz this 02:04:366 is pretty much same as 02:04:719 and 02:04:543 is same as 02:04:896 respectively. - made it a line
10. 02:08:425 - Was expecting a circle here like 02:05:602 (2,5) - 02:11:249 (2,6) . - true
11. 02:11:955 (4) - Can be removed for consistency with 02:06:308 . - yep
12. 02:17:072 (3,4,5) - Any reason for having a different rhythm on this from 02:18:484 (3,4) - 02:19:896 (3,4) . Currently it looks like an inconsistency rather than a variation zz - was a mistake i suppose
13. 02:20:602 (5) - Could NC here too actually for consistency with 02:16:366 (1,1,1) . - fixed ncs
14. 03:01:719 (1,1) - You can silence the spinner ends too so they don't stick out too much. - seems good
15. 03:24:133 (1) - 03:30:843 (5) - Unsnapped zz - no idea how but fixed lol
16. 03:25:896 (7,8,9) - The placements look like they're in the same pattern but you didn't do this kind of thing at 03:20:602 (3,4) - 03:23:425 (9,10) - despite having repetitive rhythms zz, actually 03:25:896 (7) could be circles too to differentiate from 03:26:249 (8,9) . - okay
17. 03:28:896 (8,1) - Not playable for me lol even after several tries cuz you hid 03:28:896 (8) under 03:28:719 (7) and there's no clear indication on how this spacing 03:28:896 (8,1) is different from the rest. Sure the slider 03:28:896 (8) could indicate something but probably not as 1/4 lol, I read this 03:28:896 (8,1) as 1/2 for a first few times since the spacing on this is an entirely different scale from spacings used in the section before. - removed the slider lol i was thinking about this but turns out it's a pretty shit idea
18. 04:04:366 (3,4,5,6) - Is there any meaning for overlapping these in particular? You overlapped stuff like this most of the time to present repetitiveness of the song but this one doesn’t have anything from the song to support the overlaps in particular. - fixed
19. 04:14:955 (1,2) - Visually cramped more than anything else in that part. Ctrl+H 04:14:955 (1) could work, it will look pretty much same as 04:26:249 (1,2) . - yeah it's visually cramped because i wanted to make the 1 stand out, ctrl+h won't hurt so will do that
20. 04:34:719 (1) - Why are you doing a different shape when you didn't do it with other sliders like 04:23:425 (1) zz - fixed lo
21. 05:14:823 - Conflicted volume settings between timing lines. - fixed
22. 05:16:423 (1,2,3) - Could apply something like 05:13:275 (3,4,5) on this one too for a more consistent variation, you only did 05:13:275 (3,4,5) once tho so the variation atm is more on the inconsistent side. - agreed

Would have a great potential for an icon if I still were a BN lol, good luck~

Halfslashed wrote:

I'm late.
[Desperation]
00:06:645 (5) - I cannot hear what this is mapped to. While I could see it making sense as an additive rhythm due to 00:09:877 (5), I think that it takes away from the impact of the next note in favor of making the rhythm more predictable. Consider removing this. - i'd rather keep it, there is a piano note there
00:09:877 (5) - This could be stacked under the slider tail of 00:09:271 (4) for some more emphasis to 00:10:079 (1), or use your overlap concept from 00:16:342 (4,1). - that concept is different cuz it's after a pause and is supposed to be sort of lax into the next section, i think this is okay because it's not especially different nor needing of special emphasis
00:19:776 (1,2,3) - This pattern doesn't put too much stress on the strong beat, 00:20:180 (3) due to the constant linear motion and spacing. It's not strong enough to justify a spacing increase, so how about using a triangle pattern here instead for the angle difference? - did something here
00:22:806 (7) - Yeah this beat is here, but you were following piano, so I don't really see the purpose here unless you are using additive rhythm. - yeah thats too quiet, removed
00:25:433 (4) - I don't think this is getting enough emphasis despite being a stronger piano note. Making a distinction from 00:23:008 (1,2,3) as a pattern or incorporating a spacing change would work here, and changing this to two circles could also work if you stacked them or something. - fixed previously
00:26:241 (1,2,3) - 00:51:661 (5,6,1) - This rhythm doesn't indicate the decrease in intensity at all. If I were you i'd just use a 1/1 reverse here, maybe raising the volume of the slider ticks or just completely ignoring the red ticks. - true but there's that tick on the red i've been consistently mapping so ignoring it is really weird, I lowered spacing but that's about as much as i'm willing to nerf this
00:29:069 (4,5,1) - 00:41:998 (5,6,1) - This equal/close to equal spacing doesn't provide too much emphasis to 1, try using your overlap concept for 4 and 5.
00:29:473 - Honestly the consistent spacing in this section doesn't really match the feeling of the song here. The white tick vocals have more emphasis than the spacing currently describes, and this section just feels way too fluid. Lowering spacing of stuff like 00:29:473 (1,2) even a little, something like https://halfslashed.s-ul.eu/ukdcl8tH would improve this. - agreed, done
00:39:978 (2) - This is mapped to a barely audible beat that isn't the piano. I suggest removing this since the intensity dies down, and it'd put more focus on the piano. - changed
00:43:602 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - The intensity did not increase enough to justify such a big spacing increase. Combined with the circle spam, this is adding way too much stress for this section. - keeping circles but lowered spacing, it's now more linear
01:04:366 (3) - 01:07:190 (1) - This may sound weird, but I think you can both set up your overlapping triple ideas in the kiai and add more emphasis to the vocals here by not mapping this. - sounds too weird imo and i think i set it up decently enough as it is
01:05:778 (1) - I suggest using a slower SV here, there's quite a bit of motion here for that wub sound and you can provide some nice contrast with all of the motion in the rest of the section. Cool shape though. - I think the long slider into short slider contrast works pretty well as it is imo and if I slowed it down it would be a bit too slow for my tastes so I won't change this
01:06:837 (1,2,1,2,3) - I dunno about this spacing to be honest, seems like a really stark contrast to 01:04:013 (1,2,3,1,2) - for not that big of an intensity difference. - i agree, I can change the former to be less spaced
01:08:072 (1,2,3) - I think this would reflect the decrease in intensity better if you used spacing like what you have/had for 01:07:190 (1,2) - and the sort.
01:18:131 (3,4) - I don't think the pause in motion is appropriate here. Not to mention, you don't really mix stacks with different timeline gaps throughout the rest of the map from what I've noticed. I suggest some big 1/2 spacing here. - i can agree with this
01:39:660 (1,2,3) - This even spacing doesn't emphasize the snares or the kicks. I'd suggest either stacking 2 and 3 to have motion for the snares, or stacking 1 and 2 to have motion for the kick. - stacked 1/2
01:41:602 (3) - I suggest changing this to a circle, as there isn't anything on the yellow tick and it takes away from the effect of 01:41:955 (1,2,3). - agreed
01:53:072 (3,4,5,6) - These are pretty strong beats, so I'd experiment with using a larger spacing here to try to force the player to snap to each circle. - did something
02:15:131 (2) - Since the beat on this slider end is pretty weak, try replacing this with a circle to add some more impact to 02:15:484 (3,4,5). - changed to buzz actually since there's the vocal stuff
02:49:366 (6,7,8) - These jumps are quite large considering 02:49:190 (5,6) were stacked, so there is a disproportionate amount of emphasis here. Reduce this spacing. - nerfed slightly
02:54:484 (1,1,1) - I hate to break your pattern a bit early, but the vocals come in, so while this worked before when there were no vocals, I'm going to suggest a 1/2 slider here as the return to "normal rhythm". Also can you please do something about the NC spam... - found a way to work this in so gonna do this
03:17:072 (5,6) - I suggest lowering this spacing, since it takes away from the effect of your spacing on 03:17:249 (6,7). - done
03:19:543 (1) - Try a 1/2 slider and a circle here instead. I think the rhythm gap would add a better effect than the current filler rhythm. - fixed previously?
03:50:778 (6,7) - You forgot to emphasize 7. I'd increase the spacing here, since you don't normally use anti jumps to emphasize beats like this. - done
04:47:072 (1) - This would work better if you had some much higher slider velocity. It feels pretty boring that you can just stop and hold this when motion actually means something for the other wubs. I'll leave the experimentation to you as to what is appropriate, but i'm suggesting something along these lines. - increased sv
04:52:366 (1,1,1) - Actually, I think stacking these slider ends would work better to emphasize these sounds. The player has to follow the slider a short distance each time, if you do this. - tried something else

It looks like a lot, but I still think this is your best map.

Good luck!

Nozhomi wrote:

[Timing :]

1. should be offset 310257
2. 05:11:727 - there is also a problem here, but I can't really tell if you have to put the BPM change (77,50) at 05:12:501 - and remove the one at 05:11:727 - OR move your timing point at 05:11:752 - and put an other one at 05:12:501 - ;w;

[Desperation :]

1. Aimod said stuff you already fixed.
2. 01:04:013 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Stack like you did for 01:06:837 (1,2,1,2,3) - ? - actually it should be unstacked
3. 01:08:072 (1,2,3) - Would be nice to use a similar spacing than you other 1/4 like 01:04:543 (1,2,3) - or 01:07:190 (1,2,3) - . - will do
4. 02:01:719 (1,2,3) - Could they fit in the slider 02:02:249 (1) - ? - no but this is fucking ugly so i made it nicer
5. 02:24:837 (1) - / 02:36:131 (1) - I would CTRL+G them to keep a nice flow also do a better transition on rest of your pattern (especially 02:36:837 (1) - ). - the transition in the song is REALLY harsh, that's why i made the flow break so horrifying :3
6. 02:40:190 (3,4) - I told you on discord why it's a big jumpy jump XD - yes, and now it's a small jumpy jump \o/
7. 03:31:543 (7) - Move the end point to 257:119 to make the start and end with same shape/direction. - done
8. 03:52:366 (1) - A bit on lifebar. - made a cooler shape instead!
9. 04:24:837 (2) - blanket aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa lol - yesh

Probably better to have a clean timing check if possible ><
Call me back after that.
Mukyu~

Timing checku by Bonsai!

23:08 Mir: bonsaiiii!!
23:08 Mir: are you busy? x.x
23:08 Bonsai: yea ;_;
23:08 Bonsai: whatcha need tho
23:08 Mir: quick timing check for the ending slowdown of a map
23:08 Bonsai: I still haven't finished timing that Beethoven-map lol
23:08 Bonsai: gimme
23:08 *Mir is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1092357 Trivecta - Labyrinth (feat. Miyoki) [Desperation]]
23:08 Mir: oh you're timing it o:
23:09 Mir: 05:00:131 - when you're able to, it's around here
23:12 Bonsai: uintil 05:10:227 (1) - everything seems fine but from there on suddenly everything seems veeeery early
23:12 Bonsai: like 20ms early
23:12 Bonsai: is fine at 05:12:501 (2) - again
23:12 Bonsai: yeah rest is fine
23:12 Mir: okay cool
23:13 Mir: thanks!!
23:14 Bonsai: some tecvhnicalities though: 05:21:148 (1,1) - aren't connecting / smooth
23:14 Mir: ah shoot
23:14 Mir: will fix these too
23:14 Bonsai: and the very last section should be doubled
23:14 Bonsai: and second-to-last doesn't connect too ^^
23:14 Mir: so from 25 to 50?
23:14 Mir: and fix from 41 to 25
23:15 Bonsai: aaaaa nah from 41 to ~55
23:16 Mir: okay
23:19 Mir: thanks bonsai!
23:20 Mir: also can i post this for proof
23:20 Bonsai: you're welcome
23:20 Bonsai: sure ^^
23:20 Mir: hehe thanks!

1. 00:44:802 (1,2,3,4) - same visual distance as next part
2. 01:34:013 (1) - talked about how this could be 1/2 if you still think that's a change you might wanna make
3. 02:02:955 (1) - curve his tail pls
4. 02:03:837 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - spacing
5. 04:04:896 (5,6,7,8,9) - we talked about this rhythm and this is the change i reccomended
6. 04:29:072 (1,1) - fix and recheck the other ones unless you want me to cry
7. 04:46:631 (3,1) - blanket or die

Logic Agent wrote:

01:34:013 (1) - talked about how this could be 1/2 if you still think that's a change you might wanna make

Logic Agent wrote:

i accidently irc'd your map in discord and here were a few things to fix before you push it further.. some of these dont matter as much as others and you know which ones are more important so yeah

1. 00:44:802 (1,2,3,4) - same visual distance as next part
2. 01:34:013 (1) - talked about how this could be 1/2 if you still think that's a change you might wanna make
3. 02:02:955 (1) - curve his tail pls
4. 02:03:837 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - spacing
5. 04:04:896 (5,6,7,8,9) - we talked about this rhythm and this is the change i reccomended
6. 04:29:072 (1,1) - fix and recheck the other ones unless you want me to cry
7. 04:46:631 (3,1) - blanket or die

Electoz wrote:

I came back to haunt you from discord

02:19:896 (3) - Pretty sure the hitsound on sliderslide isn't intentional lol

02:20:602 (5) - Placement on this looks a bit random cuz you grouped it with 02:19:190 (1,2,3,4) which is inconsistent to how you grouped stuff with 4 objects on the measure before 02:16:366 (1,2,3,4) - 02:17:778 (5,6,7,8) - which idk why

04:07:896 - Could make this measure follow vocals so that you'll be switching between drums and vocals consistently since 04:03:660 onward and also because the switch to vocals at 04:04:719 won't look so random lol, also here's the rhythm suggestion at 04:07:896 in case you agree with this: https://puu.sh/vF8mT/7bbb80296a.PNG

Actually you could NC at 04:04:719 (4) as an indication to vocals too if you agree with what I said above.

EDIT: I pasted wrong timestamp zz

Mir wrote:

00:17 Mir: Oh
00:17 Mir: my
00:17 Mir: GOD
00:17 Mir: WHY
00:17 Mir: FUCKING COLOR HAXING
00:17 Mir: FUCKING DIE SHITTY EDITOR HOLY SHIT

Yuii- wrote:

consistency problems are a thing people usually overlook
couple of things here and there, popping because there are some things that need to be fixed due to memes

tbh i would have loved to see the slidersliders not being muted, especially for the ones that are in the kiai, like 01:42:484 - 04:14:955 - and 04:26:249 - . this is what you would call "subjective", so yea - would rather not for the sake of the slow parts

despite everything i'm saying below i want to let you know that i actually love the map and the song. cool concepts with very interesting sections (such as the 1-2-3 1-2-3 1-2-3, those are super super cool!)

attention: every single player (even the #5k+ players) had a very big issue hitting the spaced 1/8 triplets. these seem to be a massive difficulty spike. i suggest a slight nerf for the sake of playability - they're already stupidly nerfed from before so I think this is honestly fine. They're not that hard to hit if you know they're there (even I can almost fc them) and they're the entire point of the kiai, to really show those 1/8 notes in the song. I can nerf them really slightly, but I don't think I'll go any further than 0.9x scaling here

00:10:079 (1,3) - y167 but 00:10:887 (2,4) - aren't aligned, great!
00:26:039 (6,7,1) - a
00:40:786 (3) - would have expect more emphasis, but okay okay
00:46:945 (4,1) - if you are emphasizing 1 for the vocals, you should do it on 00:43:802 (4,5) - too
00:50:161 (1) - vs 00:37:554 (5) - nc - did it because of note density, I don't think it's an issue because if I didn't nc this it would end up at a combo of like 12 or 13 and I don't want that
00:54:484 (1) - 20%

01:07:719 (1,2,3) - these are pretty much super hard to read. not because they look the exact same as the rest, but because of these 01:06:837 (1,2,1,2,3) - . if you are using the same type of movement from 01:04:013 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - , but you make a complete different concept, you should make it more intuitive. may i suggest https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8207495 and http://i.imgur.com/Hb8t8y5.jpg ? also, the overall spacing during this section looks kinda crappy compared to previous ones, stuff such as 01:08:425 (3,1) - seem completely unemphasized when it should not be - but they're not unemphasized, there's a large difference in movement from 01:08:072 (1,2,3,1) - much more so than any other set of notes, as for the other thing, sure I can change the placement (either way the emphasis changed, but I do stand by the different in movement being sufficient)

then you also have stuff such as 01:05:778 (1,2) - vs 01:17:072 (1,2) - which look and play completely different. second one seems like the way to go;

other things could be related to the music, for example when 02:37:543 (2,3,4) - is mapped in the same way as 01:18:484 (4,5,6,7,8) - even when the first one is a build-up (i'm not sure why everything is spaced the same way though) as well as being an intro for the slow section of the music. this isn't a thing that does not occur during 02:37:543 (2,3,4) - because the song keeps on being the same, usually you use triangle patterns for these
03:17:955 (10,11,12,1) - these are okay (although i would like you to fix the visuals); but the first ones i mentioned need to be changed. - I changed the second one, hopefully that's fine, but the rest of them I want to keep. The visuals on the last one are intentional too, it's supposed to move a bit

02:14:955 - can you put a whistle on that tail, please? <3

all of a sudden you create to semi-anti-jumps and a reading spike all of a sudden that really doesn't make too much sense with the music 02:47:072 (8,9) - 02:49:190 (5,6) - . patterns such as https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8207535 would work better in my opinion - I'll have to disagree with you here, because the bass does call for a change in spacing such as this 02:49:190 (5,6,7,8) - especially here because of the quick snare, it's fairly unique in that regard and deserves to be mapped slightly differently to stand out. Same goes for 02:47:072 (8,9,1) - the bass decreases in pitch until it concludes on the slider, which I think is fitting for the sound as it is

03:23:249 (8,9) - 03:26:072 (8,9) - 03:37:366 (8,9) - ouch. you could say that 03:34:896 (9,10) - follows the music though, although 03:34:013 (5,6,7,8,9,10) - this is a huge problem with consistency, compare it to the other patterns and you will realize why (hint: slider vs 2 circles and emphasis isn't there)

03:46:013 - o

04:14:072 (4,5) - unrankabloo. even if you say it's not unrankable due to low bpm, this pattern is extremely hard to play compared to pretty much everything else on the map. this is written somewhere in the rc but i'm too lazy to search. anyway, the hitwindow is really, really low asked for a bunch of testplays. these are easy to hit but in the editor makes it look much harder for some reason. the #40k guy couldn't hit it though, everyone else #5k+ could pretty much hit it without any problem. it's up to you whether or not you want to change it (i would suggest a change because people who are gonna play this map will most likely be #40k~ and they cannot hit it

04:14:955 - kiai should be here? seems like you misplaced it aw. same for 04:26:249 - tbh it makes little to no sense to have them on (2) because the highest beat in right there - these aren't misplaced, the 2 is where the bass swings back in, but I guess I can do something here

04:52:013 (2) - saw oko complaining about this today on shiirn's mapset, would be nice to separate the tail a little bit more frmo the head (even if it's completely readable and hittable due to leniency) - I actually don't think this is an issue, the tail is clearly visible o.O

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poke the other 2 BNs once you have replied to the mod so I can qualify it!!!!

Xayler wrote:

05:21:172 (1) - isn't this offset a bit too early? I recommend sth like :170 :171 :172 (:172 probably) and the bpm sth like 55,5?
05:22:809 (1) - and here the bpm feels like 49,125 for the last note (otherwise it's a bit late) - I'm not sure about this but the one above is early for sure

Mir wrote:

Xayler wrote:

05:21:172 (1) - isn't this offset a bit too early? I recommend sth like :170 :171 :172 (:172 probably) and the bpm sth like 55,5?
05:22:809 (1) - and here the bpm feels like 49,125 for the last note (otherwise it's a bit late) - I'm not sure about this but the one above is early for sure

They actually feel fine for me, it depends on the sound card or something that you use iirc.

Xayler wrote:

05:21:172 (1) - isn't this offset a bit too early? I recommend sth like :170 :171 :172 (:172 probably) and the bpm sth like 55,5?
05:22:809 (1) - and here the bpm feels like 49,125 for the last note (otherwise it's a bit late) - I'm not sure about this but the one above is early for sure

Yuii- wrote:

01:17:072 (1) - is this slider supposed to be a 1/8?. i thought itbeing a 1/4 pattern because there's a little beat on the blue tick
also, since we are at it, why 01:56:602 (1) - is that 1/8 but the rest of the surrounding sliders are not?

02:58:719 (1) - 1/2 1/2 1/2 1/2 3/4 1/2 - I slightly adjusted it... slightly.

aaaand, 02:44:955 (2,3) - slider leniency ruins emphasis

call me backu!!!!!

Nozhomi wrote:

Mir wanted me to rebub since he did a small timing fix and some improvement / fix inconsistencies
So bub again ja

I want to kms btw.