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Lost The Lights
Small IRC mod for Stefan's diffs
2016-10-13 16:37 Lost The Lights: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/902305 suzumu feat.soraru - Zetsubousei: Hero Chiryouyaku The Animation [Futsuu]]
2016-10-13 16:39 Lost The Lights: 00:11:881 - I think you can change this note to d, it sounds different to 00:10:711 - and 00:13:052 -
2016-10-13 16:39 Lost The Lights: If you apply that, do the same here 00:16:564 -
2016-10-13 16:40 Stefan: Hmm, sounds right.
2016-10-13 16:40 Stefan: Changed.
2016-10-13 16:41 Lost The Lights: 00:30:906 - 00:33:247 - 00:35:589 - I don't really feel these notes are necessary, they're making this part which is really calm somewhat hard for what it should be in a Futsuu.
2016-10-13 16:43 Lost The Lights: 00:40:418 - here, I know you're going for the vocals, but honestly it would be better to emphasize the drums as you did before (in those parts I just pointed out)
2016-10-13 16:43 Lost The Lights: mostly for consistency
2016-10-13 16:43 Lost The Lights: and imo it sounds better
2016-10-13 16:44 Stefan: Actually it's also nice due the guitar
2016-10-13 16:44 Stefan: the thingies on the calm part were removecx
2016-10-13 16:44 Stefan: *removed
2016-10-13 16:45 Lost The Lights: 00:42:613 - here, you can move this note to 00:43:052 -
2016-10-13 16:45 Lost The Lights: and change it to D
2016-10-13 16:45 Stefan: 00:40:418 (114) - and 00:45:101 (129) - are okay
2016-10-13 16:45 Stefan: the way they are.
2016-10-13 16:45 Lost The Lights: hm
2016-10-13 16:45 Lost The Lights: well but the one at 00:42:613 - actually should change
2016-10-13 16:46 Stefan: tbh
2016-10-13 16:46 Stefan: I'd keep 00:42:613 - BUT adding a note on 00:43:052 -
2016-10-13 16:46 Lost The Lights: that would be too hard imo
2016-10-13 16:46 Stefan: Hmm..
2016-10-13 16:47 Stefan: Then following your idea.
2016-10-13 16:49 Lost The Lights: 01:06:028 - should have a finisher
2016-10-13 16:49 Lost The Lights: actually
2016-10-13 16:49 Lost The Lights: wait
2016-10-13 16:50 Lost The Lights: no nvm
2016-10-13 16:50 Lost The Lights: the finisher sound is at 01:05:881 -
2016-10-13 16:50 Stefan: that'd be weird.
2016-10-13 16:50 Stefan: when the next note is D
2016-10-13 16:51 Lost The Lights: 01:17:442 - 01:22:125 - same as the beginning
2016-10-13 16:53 Lost The Lights: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/902307 suzumu feat.soraru - Zetsubousei: Hero Chiryouyaku The Animation [Muzukashii]]
2016-10-13 16:54 Lost The Lights: 00:43:052 -
2016-10-13 16:54 Lost The Lights: Being muzu I don't think you should miss this sound
2016-10-13 16:56 Lost The Lights: 01:05:735 - the rhythm they used for this part of the song is really weird
2016-10-13 16:56 Lost The Lights: why would they make it like that
2016-10-13 16:56 Lost The Lights: but anyways
2016-10-13 16:56 Lost The Lights: I think it sounds better if you remove the triplet, make 01:05:881 - a K and add a d at 01:06:028 -
2016-10-13 16:56 Lost The Lights: basically, remove this note 01:05:808 - from the triplet
2016-10-13 16:57 Lost The Lights: that was a nice muzu
2016-10-13 16:57 Stefan: 00:43:052 - done.
2016-10-13 16:57 Stefan: 01:05:735 (280,281,282) - the idea of the triplet was to emphasize the guitar riff
2016-10-13 16:57 Lost The Lights: yeah but it sounds weird
2016-10-13 16:57 Stefan: although the break on 01:06:028 - sounds indeed weird.
2016-10-13 16:58 Lost The Lights: because the last note should be a finisher
2016-10-13 16:58 Lost The Lights: plus the break does sound weird
2016-10-13 17:00 Lost The Lights: lemme check oni
2016-10-13 17:00 Stefan: Changed.
2016-10-13 17:01 Lost The Lights: 00:11:881 - I think this 5-plet being kkddd has a better emphasis
2016-10-13 17:01 Lost The Lights: 00:16:564 - ^
2016-10-13 17:03 Lost The Lights: 00:40:125 - adding a note here sounds better imo
2016-10-13 17:03 Lost The Lights: 00:40:418 - 00:40:711 - these two could be finishers
2016-10-13 17:03 Lost The Lights: 00:43:052 - add a finisher to this one too
2016-10-13 17:04 Stefan: 00:11:881 (77,78,79,80,81) - idk... I had kdkdk before but someone suggested to use dkdkd instead.
2016-10-13 17:05 Stefan: However, I find the fast swap from d to k works better than having a straig kk.. or dd..
2016-10-13 17:05 Stefan: *straight
2016-10-13 17:05 Lost The Lights: it's just better emphasis
2016-10-13 17:05 Lost The Lights: because you can hear the sound
2016-10-13 17:05 Lost The Lights: going from up to down
2016-10-13 17:05 Lost The Lights: but you can keep the dkdkd
2016-10-13 17:05 Lost The Lights: not saying its bad
2016-10-13 17:06 Stefan: It acutally goes up on 00:11:955 - and 00:12:101 -
2016-10-13 17:07 Stefan: Well, I won't change it
2016-10-13 17:07 Stefan: But
2016-10-13 17:07 Stefan: if Ari (or Ntiger, depends who's first) says something, I will.
2016-10-13 17:08 Lost The Lights: alright
2016-10-13 17:11 Lost The Lights: 00:45:101 - 00:45:394 - same thing I said about the finisher
2016-10-13 17:12 Lost The Lights: that's it tbh
2016-10-13 17:12 Lost The Lights: there's not much wrong
2016-10-13 17:13 Stefan: kk
2016-10-13 17:13 Stefan: Done here.
2016-10-13 17:13 Lost The Lights: alright
Diva Days
oh!

same mode but another map.. looks like u rank this first :3

nvm. if u want to see my map, here : https://osu.ppy.sh/s/522403
frukoyurdakul
Hi, m4m promise from vulkin's queue. Sorry for the late mod.

Vulkin's Kantan
00:37:491 - You can maybe add a kat here. There is already a gap of 2/1.

00:48:174 - ^

00:50:369 - ^

00:55:199 - Kat will sound good at this place, since there is a drum attack.

01:05:589 - Since this part is the kiai part, i think you can make it denser. So, i recommend adding a don here.

01:11:589 - A kat here maybe?

01:12:759 - A don here?

01:24:467 - Maybe adding a kat will be a good for the outro of the song.

I couldn't find anything wrong about Futsuu.

Muzukashii
00:06:759 - You can add a don here to support the keyboard(ish) sound. And it also supports the density of the notes too.

00:19:052 (92,93) - Maybe kkk will fit well here.

00:19:638 (95) - While the music is the same of the rest of it, you need to delete this note because you skipped the same note in 00:21:979 - here, 00:24:320 - here and so on.

00:47:003 (197,198,199,200) - You can reverse the colors of these notes, since 00:47:150 (198,199,200) - these are on snare sounds and the other is on a kick sound.

Oni
00:05:150 - You can snap this SV change onto 00:05:296 (28) - this note. And it should be 0.9x due to smooth SV change, because you increased 0.02x on 1/2 space and increased 0.02 at 1/1 space. Making it 0.9x will solve the problem. If you accept, 00:05:442 - this will be unneccesary.

00:09:467 - The volume change on this pattern looks weird. 00:09:613 (59) - This note is on 40% volume and the next one is 80%. I recommend changing 00:09:540 (58,59,60,61,62,63,64) - these volumes to all 80%.

00:10:052 - Since there is not a note on it, the SV change is unneccesary.

00:19:052 (132,133) - How about changing these to a 1/4 kkk? It will fit considering the snare sounds on drums.

00:23:589 (162) - Changing this to kat will support the snare sound, and the music on that note is higher than 00:23:662 (163,164) - those two.

00:29:735 (201,202,203,204,205,206,207,208,209,210,211,212,213,214,215,216,217,218,219,220,221,222,223,224,225,226,227,228,229,230) - I think you can reverse the colors of these notes since the kats are holding the kick sound and the finishers hold the hi-hat sounds.

00:37:345 (235,236) - d-d and 00:37:638 (237,238,239,240,241) - kkkkk will fit better i think due to the snare sounds. If you accept this, 00:38:077 (242) - you can turn this finisher to DON to make some variety.

00:56:077 - How about changing the volume to 80% here? The music is going louder at this section.

01:01:199 (408,409,410) - I recommend kkk here, since the cymbals are strong.

01:03:613 (427) - You can change this to kat to support higher vocals and make some variety.

01:24:247 - This inherited point is unneccesary.

01:24:833 - ^

01:25:052 - ^. And you can add a slider here but that's optional.

Solid mapset, good luck~
Vulkin

frukoyurdakul wrote:

Hi, m4m promise from vulkin's queue. Sorry for the late mod. Late answer here too ;_;

Vulkin's Kantan
00:37:491 - You can maybe add a kat here. There is already a gap of 2/1. 00:37:638 - added a kat here instead, feels better here

00:48:174 - ^ ok

00:50:369 - ^ 00:50:516 - sounds better here, but a d instead for variabilty and consistency with previous point

00:55:199 - Kat will sound good at this place, since there is a drum attack. ok

01:05:589 - Since this part is the kiai part, i think you can make it denser. So, i recommend adding a don here.Sounds kinda weird to me, plus too many dons in that specific part imo,but ill add a k at 01:05:735 -

01:11:589 - A kat here maybe? no, theyre breaks for the outro, and increases SR over 2 ;_;

01:12:759 - A don here? same as above

01:24:467 - Maybe adding a kat will be a good for the outro of the song. no, has consistency with the intro 00:14:223 -

Solid mapset, good luck~ thanks so much for the mod lol
Im really sorry for taking this long to reply a mod ;_;
been kinda forgetful lately so my bad, ill try for this to not to happen again

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Aisha
hi~ m4m for Vulkin

[Vulkin's Kantan]

Desactiva el Widescreen Support!
deberías dejar un par más de 4/1, si bien está re fácil, ayudan mucho al player de kantan a acostumbrarse
00:00:614 (1,2,3,4) - me gusta cómo suena un kddk en esas 4, pero up to you :3
00:08:516 (8) - sé que esta nota es para darle énfasis a la siguiente, pero me suena muy raro (no pillo ningún sonido ahí D:)
00:09:979 (10,17) - K maybe?
00:31:052 (42,43) - k k también
00:33:394 (46,47) - ^
00:35:735 (49,50) - ^
en el kiai un comentario general: me enredé acá, si sigues los vocals podrías hacer un par de 4/1 más (01:01:491 (88) - borrar, por ejemplo), sólo como comentario :3
igual en general está bien, lo que sí, puta que me enredo con los círculos en tick rojo y cambiando, sé que es por el timing, pero bueno.

Good luck with this!:D
Vulkin

xfraczynho wrote:

hi~ m4m for Vulkin

[Vulkin's Kantan]

Desactiva el Widescreen Support! OK
deberías dejar un par más de 4/1, si bien está re fácil, ayudan mucho al player de kantan a acostumbrarse borre algunas pocas
00:00:614 (1,2,3,4) - me gusta cómo suena un kddk en esas 4, pero up to you :3 no me gusto a mi, queria hacerla una diferencia
00:08:516 (8) - sé que esta nota es para darle énfasis a la siguiente, pero me suena muy raro (no pillo ningún sonido ahí D:) sep es para el enfasis, por tanto que quiera borrarla, quiero dar como una advertencia que se viene lo intenso
00:09:979 (10,17) - K maybe? nah
00:31:052 (42,43) - k k también ok
00:33:394 (46,47) - ^ ok
00:35:735 (49,50) - ^ bueno ;_;
en el kiai un comentario general: me enredé acá, si sigues los vocals podrías hacer un par de 4/1 más (01:01:491 (88) - borrar, por ejemplo), sólo como comentario :3 ahi borre una nota, pero no esa
igual en general está bien, lo que sí, puta que me enredo con los círculos en tick rojo y cambiando, sé que es por el timing, pero bueno. eso fue un problema de cuando empece a mappearlo xd

Good luck with this!:D arigatouu <3
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Topic Starter
Stefan
Despair

Updated Kantan Difficulty, changed Source, updated Tags, made some changes in my difficulties (very minor stuff, not mentionable).
Pachiru
Oh yeah! Please Stefan rank it! Wish you all the luck for it! :)
Arrival
Hey Stefan

[Kantan]

Seems good !

[Futsuu]

00:09:101 (26) - Let a 1/1 break before the next note, most of all since there is a SV speed up. Same for the last slider (01:14:809 (230) - )

[Muzukashii]

00:37:638 - What about a triplet k here ?

00:45:979 - ^

00:56:662 (239) - k here seems necessary for the emphasis on 00:56:809 (240) -

[Oni]

00:55:199 (366,367,368,369,370,371,372) - kdkdkdk is really unfitting. kkddddk would seems way more appropriate.

01:09:687 (470,471,472) - These should be finisher to at least ensure consistency with 01:00:321 (403,404,405) - . They can stay as don though.

Call me back !
frukoyurdakul
from p/5808000

Hi, m4m promise from vulkin's queue. Sorry for the late mod.

Vulkin's Kantan
00:37:491 - You can maybe add a kat here. There is already a gap of 2/1.

00:48:174 - ^

00:50:369 - ^

00:55:199 - Kat will sound good at this place, since there is a drum attack.

01:05:589 - Since this part is the kiai part, i think you can make it denser. So, i recommend adding a don here.

01:11:589 - A kat here maybe?

01:12:759 - A don here?

01:24:467 - Maybe adding a kat will be a good for the outro of the song.

I couldn't find anything wrong about Futsuu.

Muzukashii
00:06:759 - You can add a don here to support the keyboard(ish) sound. And it also supports the density of the notes too.

00:19:052 (92,93) - Maybe kkk will fit well here.

00:19:638 (95) - While the music is the same of the rest of it, you need to delete this note because you skipped the same note in 00:21:979 - here, 00:24:320 - here and so on.

00:47:003 (197,198,199,200) - You can reverse the colors of these notes, since 00:47:150 (198,199,200) - these are on snare sounds and the other is on a kick sound.

Oni
00:05:150 - You can snap this SV change onto 00:05:296 (28) - this note. And it should be 0.9x due to smooth SV change, because you increased 0.02x on 1/2 space and increased 0.02 at 1/1 space. Making it 0.9x will solve the problem. If you accept, 00:05:442 - this will be unneccesary.

00:09:467 - The volume change on this pattern looks weird. 00:09:613 (59) - This note is on 40% volume and the next one is 80%. I recommend changing 00:09:540 (58,59,60,61,62,63,64) - these volumes to all 80%.

00:10:052 - Since there is not a note on it, the SV change is unneccesary.

00:19:052 (132,133) - How about changing these to a 1/4 kkk? It will fit considering the snare sounds on drums.

00:23:589 (162) - Changing this to kat will support the snare sound, and the music on that note is higher than 00:23:662 (163,164) - those two.

00:29:735 (201,202,203,204,205,206,207,208,209,210,211,212,213,214,215,216,217,218,219,220,221,222,223,224,225,226,227,228,229,230) - I think you can reverse the colors of these notes since the kats are holding the kick sound and the finishers hold the hi-hat sounds.

00:37:345 (235,236) - d-d and 00:37:638 (237,238,239,240,241) - kkkkk will fit better i think due to the snare sounds. If you accept this, 00:38:077 (242) - you can turn this finisher to DON to make some variety.

00:56:077 - How about changing the volume to 80% here? The music is going louder at this section.

01:01:199 (408,409,410) - I recommend kkk here, since the cymbals are strong.

01:03:613 (427) - You can change this to kat to support higher vocals and make some variety.

01:24:247 - This inherited point is unneccesary.

01:24:833 - ^

01:25:052 - ^. And you can add a slider here but that's optional.

Solid mapset, good luck~
Topic Starter
Stefan

frukoyurdakul wrote:

Muzukashii
00:06:759 - You can add a don here to support the keyboard(ish) sound. And it also supports the density of the notes too. Moved 00:07:931 - to 00:06:760 - , sounds better to me.

00:19:052 (92,93) - Maybe kkk will fit well here. Nah.. I am fairly certain the previous triplets and combo lenght of the pattern are "hard"
enough and emphasize the most we need.


00:19:638 (95) - While the music is the same of the rest of it, you need to delete this note because you skipped the same note in 00:21:979 - here, 00:24:320 - here and so on. That is a legit argument, removed.

00:47:003 (197,198,199,200) - You can reverse the colors of these notes, since 00:47:150 (198,199,200) - these are on snare sounds and the other is on a kick sound. Done.

Oni
00:05:150 - You can snap this SV change onto 00:05:296 (28) - this note. And it should be 0.9x due to smooth SV change, because you increased 0.02x on 1/2 space and increased 0.02 at 1/1 space. Making it 0.9x will solve the problem. If you accept, 00:05:442 - this will be unneccesary. ya

00:09:467 - The volume change on this pattern looks weird. 00:09:613 (59) - This note is on 40% volume and the next one is 80%. I recommend changing 00:09:540 (58,59,60,61,62,63,64) - these volumes to all 80%. Done.

00:10:052 - Since there is not a note on it, the SV change is unneccesary. I will just keep it for volume purposes.

00:19:052 (132,133) - How about changing these to a 1/4 kkk? It will fit considering the snare sounds on drums. I prefer the d - k switch more over triplet usage.

00:23:589 (162) - Changing this to kat will support the snare sound, and the music on that note is higher than 00:23:662 (163,164) - those two. I don't think the snare sound is really present here. keeping it as ddd.

00:29:735 (201,202,203,204,205,206,207,208,209,210,211,212,213,214,215,216,217,218,219,220,221,222,223,224,225,226,227,228,229,230) - I think you can reverse the colors of these notes since the kats are holding the kick sound and the finishers hold the hi-hat sounds. I don't really agree here. For this case I find kat more appropriate to play, don sounds too deep.

00:37:345 (235,236) - d-d and 00:37:638 (237,238,239,240,241) - kkkkk will fit better i think due to the snare sounds. If you accept this, 00:38:077 (242) - you can turn this finisher to DON to make some variety. Sound-wise

00:56:077 - How about changing the volume to 80% here? The music is going louder at this section. I actually find it's a bit calmer, didn't change.

01:01:199 (408,409,410) - I recommend kkk here, since the cymbals are strong. While your suggestion is valid I rather go with the ddk rhythm.

01:03:613 (427) - You can change this to kat to support higher vocals and make some variety. Meh, the D has more impact if it goes about me.

01:24:247 - This inherited point is unneccesary. Removed.

01:24:833 - ^ And removed.

01:25:052 - ^. And you can add a slider here but that's optional. Ah well, 01:24:906 - is good as end.

Solid mapset, good luck~

Arrival wrote:

Hey Stefan

[Kantan]

Seems good !

[Futsuu]

00:09:101 (26) - Let a 1/1 break before the next note, most of all since there is a SV speed up. Same for the last slider (01:14:809 (230) - ) yap

[Muzukashii]

00:37:638 - What about a triplet k here ? I find that the single kat note sounds stronger than "forcing" a triplet here.

00:45:979 - ^ ~

00:56:662 (239) - k here seems necessary for the emphasis on 00:56:809 (240) - Done.

[Oni]

00:55:199 (366,367,368,369,370,371,372) - kdkdkdk is really unfitting. kkddddk would seems way more appropriate. I did kkkdddk instead.

01:09:687 (470,471,472) - These should be finisher to at least ensure consistency with 01:00:321 (403,404,405) - . They can stay as don though. Aye Aye

Call me back !
wwww
Arrival
Oni's HP has been set to 5 for spread.

Bubbled
Vulkin

Arrival wrote:

Hey Stefan

[Kantan]

Seems good !
*Vulkin Intensifies*

frukoyurdakul wrote:

from p/5808000

Hi, m4m promise from vulkin's queue. Sorry for the late mod.

Vulkin's Kantan
00:37:491 - You can maybe add a kat here. There is already a gap of 2/1. Next note is on 1/2, so no

00:48:174 - ^ Theres note already LOL

00:50:369 - ^next note 1/2

00:55:199 - Kat will sound good at this place, since there is a drum attack. already k

01:05:589 - Since this part is the kiai part, i think you can make it denser. So, i recommend adding a don here. Trying to make a break there, even if its kiai, i dont want to risk the novice player from getting confused

01:11:589 - A kat here maybe? Pitch from this note is different than the next one, no

01:12:759 - A don here? 01:12:028 (111,112) - are same pitch, no change

01:24:467 - Maybe adding a kat will be a good for the outro of the song. I think its fine just as it is

Solid mapset, good luck~
No change, sorry ;_; But i fixed a silly little mistake on my diff (01:23:296 (128) - made k for consistency with intro)
Small Update
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Surono
:khantong:
03:41 Surono: kwok
03:41 Stefan: hi hi
03:42 *Surono is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/902305 suzumu feat.soraru - Zetsubousei: Hero Chiryouyaku The Animation]
03:42 Stefan: o
03:42 Surono: me rank this, eh but why vulkin postd after bub.. dem
03:42 Stefan: It actually was to change a note to k.
03:42 Stefan: I was asking him what exactly he changed
03:42 Stefan: and it was this after all.
03:44 Surono: 01:15:394 - dem missing 1 slider tick... 01:15:412 - end here the slider pls so 9tick
03:47 Stefan: aa, dced
03:47 Surono: dem
03:47 Stefan: For what difficulty did you write that?
03:48 Surono: yeah ur diff. muzu futsuu
03:48 Stefan: Ah
03:48 Surono: the only sliders there
03:48 Surono: 00:20:809 - want add kat for muzu, every spot here? oke just it. dem..
03:48 Surono: 1/16 snap dem... the end of slider
03:56 Stefan: I will take care for them, have to go quick.
03:56 Surono: ok.

¯\_(`L_`)_/¯
Topic Starter
Stefan
Fan
tas
tic

<3 really happy, thanks!
Chaoslitz
wow two dr maps in qualified section

gratz!
Snowy Heat
really loved it since it was uploaded
suuuuuch a great map omg
gratz~
zigizigiefe
Congratz Stefan and Vulkin
sorry for being late
Nardoxyribonucleic
Hello Stefan, I would like to give some suggestions regarding note structure and the lack of rest moments in Muzukashii.

  • [Muzukashii]
  1. From 00:32:955 to 01:24:906 - there is no 2/1 break within this 52-second pattern chain, which would be a bit demanding for intermediate players.
  2. 00:33:979 - consider adding d here to follow the vocal as you did at 00:29:296 - for pattern consistency ?
  3. 00:57:979 (244) - maybe k to reflect the pitch decrease across 00:57:979 (244,245,246) - ?
  4. 01:06:467 - similar to 00:33:979 - , you may add d here to keep it the same as 00:57:101 (239) - . In this way the kiai would be more intuitive to play.
  5. 01:14:809 (316) - you may start this slider at 01:14:955 - to leave a 2/1 break as the kiai ends. This could help players to recover from the relatively dense kiai and prepare for the next patterns. You may do the same for Futsuu if you agree with this.
The mapset is good in general and the intention to give 2/1 rest moments is known as evidenced by 00:28:711 and 00:32:370 - , but I think you can consider doing that as well in the rest of the difficulty. Let me know if you want to make changes.
Topic Starter
Stefan
For the points relating to the lack of 2/1 breaks: I do agree that the Muzukashii difficulty has very few 2/1 breaks, however.. The map uses 2/2 breaks (I am unsure if that's the correct definition, just check the distance between parts like 01:14:370 (229,230) - or 01:13:199 (224,225) - in case I am wrong). The nature of the song works much better with that sort of break, you were mentioning about 00:28:711 and 00:32:370 - while these two parts are exceptions for the song where 2/1 breaks works better than 2/2 breaks.

For 00:33:979 - I see the reason, yet I consider to skip this note because the flow sounds more natural from my side. I also find that 00:28:711 - 00:33:248 - and 00:33:394 - 00:37:931 - plays differently from the vocal follow may be appropriate to be mapped slightly different in a Muzukashii difficulty.

01:06:467 - works similar to 00:33:979 - but additionally I wanted to have a brighter break (by having nothing on 01:06:467 - ) and some rest time from 01:05:296 (272,273,274,275,276,277,278) - .

For 00:57:979 (244) - I find the way I've mapped with switching d k notes (00:57:540 (240,241,242,243,244,245) - for example) good, vocals have a higher tone on 00:58:272 (244) - instead of 00:57:979 (243) - and d k d emphasize it better for my case.
Nardoxyribonucleic
Disqualified upon creator's request to transform the set into ENHIX for a more balanced spread after some discussion with Stefan.

IRC log with Stefan, May 17, 2017
20:53 Stefan: \o
20:54 Nardoxyribonucleic: o/
20:54 Stefan: p/6019881 Just replied back
20:54 Stefan: If there's anything else, let me know
20:55 Nardoxyribonucleic: 3/2 breaks like 01:14:370 - and 1/1 gap like 01:13:199 - are not effective breaks for Muzukashii due to its length
20:55 Nardoxyribonucleic: as the main snap is 1/2+1/4 in Muzukashii
20:56 Nardoxyribonucleic: or 1/1+1/2 with occasionally 1/4
20:57 Nardoxyribonucleic: so 1/1 is not regarded as a break, but a connection in a pattern chain
20:57 Stefan: 3/2 is what works better for this song, and I do agree for 1/1
20:57 Stefan: But considering that Oni is also pretty dense some balancing between all three difficulties (Futsuu~Oni) needs to exist
20:59 Stefan: Breaks do exist enough in Muzukashii imo and stays in contrast to Oni
21:01 Stefan: The song works a lot with 1/2 rhythm, vocal and bgm wise
21:01 Stefan: That's why I've used 3/2 breaks, because these are the most natural breaks for such a song
21:02 Stefan: but not too big that sounds unnatural again
21:02 Stefan: but also not too close that it makes too dense.
21:05 Nardoxyribonucleic: My main point is that a 3/2 gap is not long enough to count as an effective break for this level of difficulty. I do agree that the song itself favours such a pattern arrangement, but gameplay-wise 3/2 is still continuous
21:06 Nardoxyribonucleic: Take 01:15:540 - 01:24:906 - this session as an example, these breaks still keep you busy in preparing the next patterns without having a true rest
21:07 Stefan: I don't see how 3/2 breaks aren't but 2/1 are.
21:07 Nardoxyribonucleic: Probably due to the length itself as well as the change in polarity of ticks
21:07 Stefan: https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/JgNOzXh5.png to https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/QxPuVow5.png
21:08 Stefan: second provides for that case something more complicated after the break
21:08 Stefan: While first is easier but more constant to play.
21:08 Nardoxyribonucleic: That is not complicated as the first one. 1/2 notes are something expected in this difficulty
21:08 Nardoxyribonucleic: as the main snaps
21:10 Nardoxyribonucleic: while the first pic of notes with 3/2 + 1/1, which is in fact more varied.
21:10 Stefan: But that'd mean that I have to nerf Futsuu even further, because that's the difficulty which uses 2/1 as their main breaks.
21:11 Nardoxyribonucleic: Yes, you may do so, especially when Futsuu have twice amount of notes compared to Kantan.
21:12 Stefan: That'd mean to change two technical decent difficulties for the biggest part.
21:13 Stefan: I am not sure if that's right.
21:13 Stefan: I agree that Futsuu and Muzukashii are harder than the average
21:13 Stefan: But still plays like difficulties of their level.
21:15 Nardoxyribonucleic: Yes, but relative to how simple patterns are arranged in Kantan and the relatively plenty amount of 4/1 breaks, the hardness of Futsuu and Muzukashii could be readjusted
21:16 Nardoxyribonucleic: I am willing to help if you want to do this for a better spread. The required changes are not that many after all.
21:17 Stefan: The only thing I can think off what works the best is to put something between Kantan and Futsuu.
21:17 Stefan: because
21:18 Nardoxyribonucleic: Also what I mentioned in the post is only about adding one more 2/1 break in Muzukashii.
21:18 Stefan: I don't consider Futsuu~Oni to be nerfed that throws the structure of the map completely.
21:19 Stefan: While I agree and understand that the gap between Futsuu and Kantan is indeed bigger compared to the rest.
21:20 Nardoxyribonucleic: The large gap between Kantan and Futsuu itself is already something that is worth readjusted indeed.
21:21 Stefan: Like said, an additonal difficulty (which is between the current Kantan and Futsuu) sounds the best way to solve.
21:21 Nardoxyribonucleic: In short, you need to simplify some notes in Futsuu to improve the spread from Kantan to Muzukashii and add a bit more 2/1 rests in Muzukashii
21:22 Stefan: That would technically solve the issues you're bringing for Muzukashii (and Futsuu too)
21:22 Nardoxyribonucleic: I do not think addition of a difficulty is necessary in this case
21:23 Stefan: Kantan itself has very few room to "buff" due the stupid 2* rule
21:24 Nardoxyribonucleic: Hmm... Whatever. If you want to do that, making a ENHIX spread would be another option.
21:24 Nardoxyribonucleic: I would say no difficulty increase is needed for Kantan
21:24 Stefan: Yeah, just something between Futsuu/Kantan
21:25 Stefan: That looks imo more profitable than changing Futsuu/Muzukashii largely.
21:26 Nardoxyribonucleic: If you decide to do so, make sure to raise the difficulty of current Futsuu, Muzukashii and Oni while keeping corresponding number of 2/1 current Futsuu possesses as the new Muzukashii
21:27 Stefan: How so
21:27 Stefan: Futsuu is already above 3*
21:28 Stefan: That is pretty typical for a Muzukashii
21:28 Stefan: And Futsuu~Oni feels constant from the difficulty increase.
21:28 Nardoxyribonucleic: I mean, the 3* Futsuu you have has sufficient number of 2/1 breaks currently.
21:29 Stefan: Okay.
21:29 Nardoxyribonucleic: You just need to upgrade it into Muzukashii by adding some 1/2 notes
21:29 Stefan: Oh
21:29 Stefan: Uh.. well I guess that could be done.
21:33 Nardoxyribonucleic: Then you can probably do this: change the set to ENHIX spread: Add a simpler Futsuu, make old Futsuu, Muzukashii and Oni harder.
21:34 Stefan: yes
21:35 Nardoxyribonucleic: For lower difficulties (ENH), Vulkin's Kantan could remain unchanged. Keep plenty of 2/1 or longer breaks in Futsuu and some 2/1 breaks in Muzukashii
21:37 Stefan: Aight
21:37 Nardoxyribonucleic: If you agree with these, you may ask for a disqualification now to get these done :3
21:37 Stefan: mmmmh, do you do the DQ? Or who else should I ask
21:39 Nardoxyribonucleic: Hmm, I think I could DQ upon request
21:39 Stefan: Well, you can do this rn
21:40 Stefan: so I can take care for it asap
21:40 Nardoxyribonucleic: Alright.

Good luck for now. You may ask me for a complete mod when you get this done.
Snowy Heat
oh shit
please do not make us wait for too long again with this ;www;
i just love the set so much, please kill me
Arrival
Well that was surprising. You can also ask me when you finished it.
Vulkin
rip qualify
oh well, ill take this opportunity to fix some things on my kantan that i forgot

EDIT: Discussed some stuff with Surono about some parts, and made a few changes on my own to improve the quality of it
Hopefully its a bit less painful to play
(if its over 2* i swear ill kill this pc because it shows 1.96 here)

Update
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Topic Starter
Stefan

Arrival wrote:

Well that was surprising. You can also ask me when you finished it.
Thank you a lot, I appreciate this help and will consider it when we're really ready.

Hitsu wrote:

oh shit
please do not make us wait for too long again with this ;www;
i just love the set so much, please kill me
doing my best!

Vulkin: Gonna update whenever Nardo and I get in talk again and how we should proceed since I may not do a 5th difficulty but to nerf Muzukashii/Futsuu.
Surono
nardo and stefan pro.. dem vulkin oke diff!
sry for dem english simple lul. will try to mod if nardo postd the mod, since I didnt full mod for this map.
Nardoxyribonucleic
Hmm, so you decide to simplify Futsuu and Muzukashii instead of making a new difficulty, which is also fine.

IRC mod with Stefan, May 20, 2017
19:37 Stefan: Alright. So I've been trying to map a 5th difficulty - between current Kantan and Futsuu. But that didn't go very well.. and I sorta struggle with it. Nevertheless I think because I had to change Futsuu/Muzukashii anyways, I think I will just go with your idea to nerf Futsuu/Muzukashii instead.
19:38 Nardoxyribonucleic: Okay.
19:38 Stefan: Also because I barely buffed these two diffs I think that's the better decision to nerf them instead.
19:40 Nardoxyribonucleic: I'm going to provide some suggestions to simplify Futsuu first
19:40 Stefan: okay
19:43 Stefan: Oh right
19:43 Stefan: Vulkin did update some things
19:43 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:02:662 (6) - consider deleting this note? Seeing that Kantan only has 4/1 notes, so it would be better to remove some in the prelude
19:43 Stefan: together with Surono
19:43 Nardoxyribonucleic: Hmm?
19:43 Nardoxyribonucleic: Oh, did you update it?
19:44 Stefan: not yet, gonna do this quick
19:46 Stefan: and done
19:47 Nardoxyribonucleic: Back to the topic then
19:48 Stefan: yes
19:48 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:02:662 (6,12,13,15,20,21) - I think these notes could be deleted
19:49 Nardoxyribonucleic: The current note density is rather similar to Muzukashii while the gap with Kantan is too big
19:52 Stefan: I see what you mean.. okay, doing changes here
19:52 Stefan: removing stuff mostly
19:57 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:16:418 (44) - this note could be removed as well since there is no density increase in Kantan and Muzukashii at this part
20:00 Stefan: done
20:01 Nardoxyribonucleic: Oh, I'm gonna have my dinner first, brb
20:04 Stefan: Okay!
20:18 Nardoxyribonucleic: I'm back!
20:18 Stefan: welcome back~
20:18 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:23:882 (66) - maybe k as you did in Muzukashii for consistency?
20:20 Stefan: Jup
20:20 Stefan: I used to have that part in every diff as dd
20:20 Stefan: but got changed over time.
20:31 Nardoxyribonucleic: From 00:38:077 - to 00:47:443 - maybe try something like this to improve the spread from Kantan to Muzukashii? https://puu.sh/vVUbt.jpg (cursor at 00:42:760 - )
20:32 Nardoxyribonucleic: Kantan barely has any 1/1 notes, so it would be better to use fewer 1/2 in Futsuu
20:32 Nardoxyribonucleic: The suggestion is made with reference to how your Muzukashii is mapped
20:38 Nardoxyribonucleic: Hmm what do you think?
20:39 Stefan: Ah sorry, was sorta busy minutes ago
20:39 Stefan: mmmh lets see
20:40 Nardoxyribonucleic: In this way the snaps are easier to follow as well
20:48 Stefan: Okay
20:48 Stefan: https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/OjFLAG3W.png that's what I did.
20:49 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:49:492 (137) - delete and remove the finish at 00:49:784 (138) - ?
20:49 Nardoxyribonucleic: the former is for spread while the latter for consistency
20:49 Stefan: Okay.
20:52 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:52:711 (146) - 00:53:882 (150) - 00:55:053 (154) - remove ? Kantan is rather simple here
20:54 Stefan: jup, removed all of them
20:56 Nardoxyribonucleic: 01:03:540 (177,178) - you may swap these notes to k d as you did in Muzukashii
20:57 Stefan: yep, sounds also right to Oni
20:59 Nardoxyribonucleic: 01:04:272 (179,180,181) - ctrl+G and delete the middle note ?
21:00 Stefan: https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/0j0Peo6W.png that?
21:00 Nardoxyribonucleic: yes
21:01 Stefan: mmmh, I prefer to have d k here
21:01 Stefan: But I removed the note in the mid anyway
21:01 Nardoxyribonucleic: okay
21:03 Nardoxyribonucleic: 01:13:784 (212) - same as ^
21:03 Stefan: Oki
21:05 Nardoxyribonucleic: 01:17:296 (222) - 01:21:979 (240) - same as before
21:06 Stefan: jup, looks okay.
21:06 Stefan: 2.65* now
21:06 Stefan: lmao
21:06 Nardoxyribonucleic: I guess that's all for Futsuu
21:08 *Nardoxyribonucleic is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/902307 suzumu feat.soraru - Zetsubousei: Hero Chiryouyaku The Animation [Muzukashii]]
21:11 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:42:760 (178) - I think you may have missed the finish here ?
21:12 Nardoxyribonucleic: You have one in Futsuu and Oni
21:12 Stefan: Looks like that, added.
21:17 Nardoxyribonucleic: 01:05:589 (275,276,277,278) - kkk d instead of d kkk for the background 1/4 drums?
21:22 Stefan: It sorta feels right the way it is atm. to put the triplet earlier sounds misplaced to me
21:22 Stefan: But that are just my thoughts.
21:23 Nardoxyribonucleic: 01:14:809 (316) - as mentioned in the previous mod, I think this slider could start at 01:14:955 - , simply for a 2/1 rest after the kiai
21:25 Nardoxyribonucleic: This break could result in a contrast with the ordinary breaks like 01:15:540 - 01:16:711 - etc. as well
21:29 Stefan: mmh, okay.
21:30 Nardoxyribonucleic: Oh, please do it for Futsuu as well then
21:30 Stefan: Did that already. w
21:31 Nardoxyribonucleic: Okay, then we have come to the last problem
21:32 Nardoxyribonucleic: Muzukashii and Oni has a 200-note gap, while other gaps are only ~100
21:33 Nardoxyribonucleic: I would recommend renaming the current Oni into Inner Oni and making a new Oni from it with about 470 notes
21:34 Nardoxyribonucleic: Otherwise you may need to simplify the current one down to 550 notes
21:35 Nardoxyribonucleic: Either way. Just to make sure density difference is not too significant
21:36 Stefan: While I do understand that a constant gap is important for a mapset, the gap of note differences between the difficulties may be a subjective issue
21:37 Nardoxyribonucleic: Well. Note differences could also reflect complexity difference in certain extent
21:37 Stefan: The Oni difficulty plays like one, the only thing I could nerf would be the longer part at the early stage
21:37 Stefan: 00:09:101 (53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64) - that to be exact
21:38 Nardoxyribonucleic: Sure thing
21:38 Nardoxyribonucleic: Also you may consider removing notes like 00:01:199 (4,11,18) -
21:39 Nardoxyribonucleic: for calm parts like this
21:39 Nardoxyribonucleic: sparser patterns may work
21:46 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:04:711 - you may remove this unused timing point
21:46 Stefan: okay uh.. I updated stuff at first, just to have them saved. Did some changes in the 2nd half of the Kiai in Oni
21:47 Stefan: And I kept this line for the volume changes
21:48 Stefan: since people tend to tap for some ms earlier so they'd have 60% for 00:09:540 - otherwise.
21:48 Nardoxyribonucleic: There is no note at 00:04:711 - now for the SV change
21:49 Stefan: It doesn't do anything anyway but okay, changed to the previous SV (0.92)
21:50 Nardoxyribonucleic: I mean [https://puu.sh/vVX3h.png this one]
21:50 Stefan: O
21:50 Nardoxyribonucleic: the highlighted timing point
21:50 Stefan: I am dumb :thinking2:
21:51 Stefan: removed
21:54 Nardoxyribonucleic: I think that's all for now. You may still make minor fixes if you like. You may call me back for a recheck after that.

You may call me back for a recheck after that~ :D
Surono
check,.

>kantan
* 00:09:101 - spinner

>Futsuu
* 00:07:638 (16,17) - ctrl g
* 00:07:638 (16,17) - ~ 00:19:345 - Suggestion to make it balance and variety: 00:11:589 (26,27,28,29) - d d kd, 00:13:784 - dd and apply for similar part
* 01:15:248 - end here

>Muzukashii
* 00:37:638 - add here kkk 1/4 at least because in here is a bit close with futsuu and oni has longstream
Vulkin

Surono wrote:

check, no kd.

>kantan
* 00:09:101 - spinner yes dad
thank for check

edit: actually no spinner, intense part right after rip
Topic Starter
Stefan
Applied for 00:11:589 (26,27,28,29) - d d kd and similar parts and removed the 2nd drumslider entirely of Futsuu. No other changes were done.
Vulkin
im actually a dingus for not putting the osu code
sorry

diff
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TitleUnicode:絶望性:ヒーロー治療薬 The Animation
Artist:suzumu feat.soraru
ArtistUnicode:スズム feat.そらる
Creator:Stefan
Version:Vulkin's Kantan
Source:ダンガンロンパ The Animation
Tags:希望の学園と絶望の高校生 danganronpa kibou no gakuen to zetsubou no koukousei ending thenutritiousguy tng vulkin
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Nardoxyribonucleic
A quick recheck here. (no kd)

  • [Vulkin's Kantan]
  1. 00:00:614 - I think you should not omit the first bar line here since this line is rather essential for the start of metronome.
  2. You may remove the green lines at 00:00:614 and 00:00:760 - as they are unused.
Topic Starter
Stefan
Done, didn't bother to wait for Vulkin because that doesn't require him to change that.
Vulkin
guess im a bit too late, sorry x)
Nardoxyribonucleic
Alright, rechecked and confirmed that the overall spread and rest moment issues have been fixed.

Rebubbled~
Arrival
alright i'll requalify tomorrow
Topic Starter
Stefan

Nardoxyribonucleic wrote:

Alright, rechecked and confirmed that the overall spread and rest moment issues have been fixed.

Rebubbled~

Arrival wrote:

alright i'll requalify tomorrow
Thank you both very much!
PatZar
lol
Vulkin
o shit hype
Arrival
lets go again
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