Like we both know my sense of pride would ever stop me from doing something like that.
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Hell I spent all of gistou just arguing with people about literally everything
I really hope that got lost in translation-[Jess]- wrote:
I will post later after I get clam down since those two quote makes me get emotional and just realized I do nothing.starting to read for to first day.
Long story short, yeah you're right that you don't have issue coming up with reads as scum.
I just dont get it everyone has different reads than mine except you... or at least different to what i had at that point.
And generally we disagree with reads, heck we had a big debate last game about it you arguing about my TR on GE and i arguing about your TR on Wisdom
I just dont get it everyone has different reads than mine except you... or at least different to what i had at that point.
And generally we disagree with reads, heck we had a big debate last game about it you arguing about my TR on GE and i arguing about your TR on Wisdom
Also i'm not the only player here bee, you just ignored B1rd's legitimate concern about you.
You where town reading wisdom and I was town reading GE we where just disagreeing on the reasoning we used we still agreed on those reads.
Agreeing on reads isn't really a scum tell either. aren't YOU a player that sees that as a town tell anyway? Like didn't you town read Aero for having the same reads you did even though his reads came after yours.
Agreeing on reads isn't really a scum tell either. aren't YOU a player that sees that as a town tell anyway? Like didn't you town read Aero for having the same reads you did even though his reads came after yours.
It was the opposite, you gave TR on Wisdom because "lol not reading thread"beeboy123 wrote:
You where town reading wisdom and I was town reading GE we where just disagreeing on the reasoning we used we still agreed on those reads.
Agreeing on reads isn't really a scum tell either. aren't YOU a player that sees that as a town tell anyway? Like didn't you town read Aero for having the same reads you did even though his reads came after yours.
Yes, but i see something different with you, it's been idk... something bothering me ever since i saw your reads list
It still doesn't change the fact I actually actually scum hunting.B1rd wrote:
Defending Dawnsday is super easy to rationalise as scum. I mean lots of things are D1, but it's that in combination with other things. You can't just blame all your problems on RL things, firstly, you knew when you joined the game that it would be a commitment. And really, it only takes like an hour a day to be completely up to date with the game. You can't spare that? It's just weak excuses. If you really couldn't spare enough time to play the game you should have just replaced yourself.
And I don't know what you want me to do about not being able to push people at the start of day 2 because I was VLA like I just didn't respond to this post because you are literally just conf biasing me at this point.
And I very much am scum hunting but w/e
wow such descriptionSakura wrote:
It was the opposite, you gave TR on Wisdom because "lol not reading thread"beeboy123 wrote:
You where town reading wisdom and I was town reading GE we where just disagreeing on the reasoning we used we still agreed on those reads.
Agreeing on reads isn't really a scum tell either. aren't YOU a player that sees that as a town tell anyway? Like didn't you town read Aero for having the same reads you did even though his reads came after yours.
Yes, but i see something different with you, it's been idk... something bothering me ever since i saw your reads list
It's kinda weird that after all these months of you disagreeing with my reads suddenly this game you come to the same reads i do.
Ugh, i really need to sleep, this fever isnt doing me any favors and much less is this 1v1 with you.
Maybe after this game you'll finally stop scum reading every game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Lmfao I wish you didn't say this honestlyFrostings wrote:
I really hope that got lost in translation-[Jess]- wrote:
I will post later after I get clam down since those two quote makes me get emotional and just realized I do nothing.starting to read for to first day.
Also I'm goin ta bed. My cold getting icky. Good night.
Woah. There is no way I will be able to read all of this in time due to work. :\
@Zexion: Are you alive?
Proper post soon, busy with stuff right now.
Proper post soon, busy with stuff right now.
I think we need to start consolidating soon
So one thing still bothers me about beeboy and it's the fact that he came only to defend himself, he didnt comment on anything else that happened.
Jess is still a wild card.
Hika i think i may have been overthinking it.
abraker continues to do nothing but defend Hika and attack Frosty.
Everyone else im fairly sure is town.
Jess is still a wild card.
Hika i think i may have been overthinking it.
abraker continues to do nothing but defend Hika and attack Frosty.
Everyone else im fairly sure is town.
Abraker, why u defending me fam
What post indicates I am defending you? I might be agreeing with you, but not defending. I still believe you can turn out to be scum, so you are not off the hook. It's see others more scummier than you, which is why I haven't been questioning you as of late.Hika wrote:
Abraker, why u defending me fam
Also to;dr Beeboy is getting rammed and Sakura doesn't suspect Hika of scum anymore?
I just skimmed through the thing so I definitely don't have a full picture of what happened while I was asleep. Will catch up to stuff in some 7 or 8 hours
That's cause the only thing between my reads and my posts where people attacking me >.>Sakura wrote:
So one thing still bothers me about beeboy and it's the fact that he came only to defend himself, he didnt comment on anything else that happened.
I agree vote Jess.Sakura wrote:
I think we need to start consolidating soon
Topic Starter
PSA: not dead, still on work. Votecount, explanations and stuff in about 3 hours.
Topic Starter
@Hika: I'll just let this pass because you're an experienced player and because I really don't want to disrupt the flow of the game. This is everyone's last chance: please pay attention when posting.
Please tell me if you see any mistakes.
Day 2 ends on Feb 24th, 22:00 UTC.
Votecount 2.8
beeboy123 [2] - Sakura, , B1rd
-[Jess]- [1] - beeboy123
Frostings [1] - abraker
Hika [1] - rEdo
rEdo [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
B1rd [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [3] - Frostings, Hika, -[Jess]-
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
beeboy123 [2] - Sakura, , B1rd
-[Jess]- [1] - beeboy123
Frostings [1] - abraker
Hika [1] - rEdo
rEdo [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
B1rd [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [3] - Frostings, Hika, -[Jess]-
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
Please tell me if you see any mistakes.
Day 2 ends on Feb 24th, 22:00 UTC.
Thanks Zexion.
Anyways, I'm around for the next 5 hours.
Anyways, I'm around for the next 5 hours.
Why'd you unvote beeboy?
Chances of a hammer from someone who wasn't paying attention.
I think I said that earlier too
I think I said that earlier too
Vote:bboy
@beeboy:
a) Gimme reasons to think Jess is scum.
b) Why would you beetlejuice? You literally showed up when the wagon shifted from Jess to you, and you just said your vote sits on Jess without a proper explanation. I pretty much second everything that Sakura have said to this point.
Unvote
Vote: beeboy123 (this is L-2)
a) Gimme reasons to think Jess is scum.
b) Why would you beetlejuice? You literally showed up when the wagon shifted from Jess to you, and you just said your vote sits on Jess without a proper explanation. I pretty much second everything that Sakura have said to this point.
Unvote
Vote: beeboy123 (this is L-2)
Now when I think about it, I believe it's safer to actually lynch Jess and see her flip. If she turns out scum - woo, that's the time to revaluate the game for me. If she turn town - we could just push beeboy to the end of the world.
But I want to hear from beeboy first, seriously.
But I want to hear from beeboy first, seriously.
that's what i was saying but he beetlejuice so hard lel
Vote Jess
I'd really rather not lynch beeboy today
He's still in my townread
I'd really rather not lynch beeboy today
He's still in my townread
I still want to lynch beeboy. But Jess or beeboy, at this point I just want to lynch someone.
you filthy murderer skum vote berd gg game solvededB1rd wrote:
I still want to lynch beeboy. But Jess or beeboy, at this point I just want to lynch someone.
But yeah, I have to agree on Frosty here. I believe lynching Jess will actually yield much more information for us than lynching beeboy. Still holding myself from the vote, though.
rEdo wrote:
@beeboy:
a) Gimme reasons to think Jess is scum.
b) Why would you beetlejuice? You literally showed up when the wagon shifted from Jess to you, and you just said your vote sits on Jess without a proper explanation. I pretty much second everything that Sakura have said to this point.
Unvote
Vote: beeboy123 (this is L-2)
a) Jess declared intent to hammer on Dawnsday I just don't buy that she didn't realize he was at L-1 when she voted him a few pages earlier and her reasons to vote him are also kinda sketchy.
b) I was lurking the thread in between anime episodes I was watching with a friend and was going to post some time around 1 am but I don't like being at L-1 with Jess off my wagon so I decided to post.
I'll try and not be VLA in the future guys I didn't know having things to do IRL would cause so many problems.
Anyway I have something I want to do in 30-45 mins and I won't be back until 1am or something so if you have anything you want to ask you should do it now.
I'm not really satisfied with your effort put into this game. Literally everyone could just say "I vote Jess because I don't like that she hammered", but.. on the other hand this really is a valid argument one could use to SR her x.x
I'm so edgy this game I have no idea what to thinkt anymore. I think we need the Jess flip.
God, fuck this.
Vote: -[Jess]-
I'm so edgy this game I have no idea what to thinkt anymore. I think we need the Jess flip.
God, fuck this.
Vote: -[Jess]-
I mean, she's been beetlejuicing as well, but that's literally all she does every fucking game.
Let's just call it a PL.
Unvote
Vote: Jess
Unvote
Vote: Jess
Jess L-1. Care.
I don't care who hammer tbh just write what you think and declare intent to hammer
TBH
It's that I think beeboy is scum, but with Jess it's more I think she might be scum, but I'm not really sure. I'm fine with voting Jess too, but that's more of a conservative option, I'd prefer to go with my scumreads.rEdo wrote:
B1rd, why beeboy over Jess?
Welp, seems that it has swung back to a Jess lynch after all, I'm fine with hammering when everyone's ready.
The reason I started the beeboy wagon was because I thought this can't be this simple and that we need to make out the most of today as possible, but in the end it seems like we need that flip.
I'm hammering within 1 hour if no one has any objections.
Yea just watching this conclude. Have no objections, though I really wish Jess posted morerEdo wrote:
Frosty, abraker? Are you here?
Since Frosty's vote on Jess already, abraker has no objections and both Sakura and B1rd declared their intent to hammer, I think we can end the day.
It's 2 AM and I'm taking a bus to my parents' house and it's time for me to take some sleep at once. Once I wake up, I want to see the flip.
Hammer's on the table.
It's 2 AM and I'm taking a bus to my parents' house and it's time for me to take some sleep at once. Once I wake up, I want to see the flip.
Hammer's on the table.
hold up for a sec
Topic Starter
I would really like to add some flavor to this game
Please tell me if you see any mistakes.
Day 2 ends on Feb 24th, 22:00 UTC.
Votecount 2.9
-[Jess]- [4] - beeboy123, Frostings, rEdo, Hika (L-1)
beeboy123 [2] - Sakura, B1rd,
Frostings [1] - abraker
Hika [0] -
rEdo [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
B1rd [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [1] - -[Jess]-
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
-[Jess]- [4] - beeboy123, Frostings, rEdo, Hika (L-1)
beeboy123 [2] - Sakura, B1rd,
Frostings [1] - abraker
Hika [0] -
rEdo [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
B1rd [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [1] - -[Jess]-
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
Please tell me if you see any mistakes.
Day 2 ends on Feb 24th, 22:00 UTC.
Before you said that Jess was 90% gonna flip town, did you change your mind or was it just to pressure beeboy? Because I was willing to trust your read and go off the assumption that Jess was town, at least until we get the first scum. Because while there is a chance that Jess is scum, it's also a good possibility that she's just an easy scapegoat to divert votes from scum and get them one day closer to their win condition.rEdo wrote:
The reason I started the beeboy wagon was because I thought this can't be this simple and that we need to make out the most of today as possible, but in the end it seems like we need that flip.
A part of me hopes Jess will come up Dues ex Machina post, but most of me knows she won't post before the hammer.
The 90% chance was a bluff, but I do believe there is a chance that she flips town, mainly basing on her AtE self-vote. I'm not sure she's smart enough to pull that out as scum. And I'm hella afraid she actually is a scapegoat, but if that's the case, I'm 99% certain beeboy is scum in that case. I think taking the risk and lynching beeboy today is not a good move for town, and lynching Jess is a much safer one since she might flip scum.B1rd wrote:
Before you said that Jess was 90% gonna flip town, did you change your mind or was it just to pressure beeboy? Because I was willing to trust your read and go off the assumption that Jess was town, at least until we get the first scum. Because while there is a chance that Jess is scum, it's also a good possibility that she's just an easy scapegoat to divert votes from scum and get them one day closer to their win condition.rEdo wrote:
The reason I started the beeboy wagon was because I thought this can't be this simple and that we need to make out the most of today as possible, but in the end it seems like we need that flip.
If Jess flips town then Frostings should also be a guy to observe.
I'm literally pissing off people on my bus because I mash f5 LMAO
Yeah I definitely agree with that, and I've pretty much been suspicious of beeboy and forstings for most of the game. Do you have any other insights or comments about any of your posts before the hammer?
You should probably post your reads and final thoughts depending on Jess flip, i'll give you time to do that.
Insights: Jess must have given up judging by her not voting in addition to the self vote
Comments: none
Comments: none
Sorry lol, I was in the middle of a post and then I got a call from the Australian wine company wanting to sell me wines 
I don't have anything to say.
bboy and frosty is what I'll be most concerned about.
bboy and frosty is what I'll be most concerned about.
unless we have a confscum there's no way we're not lynching Jess today
Having Jess alive during Xylo is the worst spot to be in
We need her to flip while we still have a guaranteed free lynch available
Having Jess alive during Xylo is the worst spot to be in
We need her to flip while we still have a guaranteed free lynch available
I'm on 2%
cya in half hour
cya in half hour
Votecount from D1 lynch:
Any last questions? I will hammer if anyone votes earlier.
Now, let's consider two cases for D3.Zexion wrote:
Votecount 1.4 (D1 Final)
Dawnsday [5] - abrake, Frostings, rEdo, Hika, -[Jess]- (LYNCH)
Hika [1] - beeboy123
B1rd [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
-[Jess]- [0] -
Frostings [0] -
beeboy123 [0] -
rEdo [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [3] - Dawnsday, Sakura, B1rd
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
- If Jess flips town: I don't like to repeat myself, but like I said, beeboy is 99% scum if that's the case. I will also point a FoS from the grave on Frostings. I mean, look at the D1 votecount. I'm not exactly sure about Hika, but my gut tells me she's town. As for beeboy's partner, um, I see abraker as his most possible partner.
- If Jess flips scum: If I were still in the game I would cry over my existence because of not being able to read the game properly, but hey, that's Jess we're dealing with. I'm not really sure who could be her partner, but considering her reads from D1, abraker and/or Frostings would make me worry. However, that would make beeboy pretty much town because he wouldn't push his scumpartner just in order to save himself (unless WIFOM). I believe that ike literally everything that happens after that flip is going to heavily rely on what you guys are gonna do in the following day.
Any last questions? I will hammer if anyone votes earlier.
Unvote
Vote: Jess
Vote: Jess
Feel free to hammer whenever you're ready
Topic Starter
you guys were lucky I didn't disconnect (I was expecting this anyways)
A lynch has been achieved. Scene coming soon.
Votecount 2.10 (Day 2 Final)
-[Jess]- [5] - beeboy123, Frostings, rEdo, Hika, Sakura (LYNCH)
beeboy123 [1] - B1rd
Frostings [1] - abraker
Hika [0] -
rEdo [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
B1rd [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [1] - -[Jess]-
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
-[Jess]- [5] - beeboy123, Frostings, rEdo, Hika, Sakura (LYNCH)
beeboy123 [1] - B1rd
Frostings [1] - abraker
Hika [0] -
rEdo [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
B1rd [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [1] - -[Jess]-
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
A lynch has been achieved. Scene coming soon.
I mean I want to know the flip and take some sleep already x.x
Topic Starter
@rEdo: Not to mention you would have had to wait like another full day until I got access to a PC.
"After a great battle that's really hard for me to write at 11 PM having to get up at 5AM next day to go to work (and rEdo would probably kill me IRL if I don't post this soon), Jess had to answer for her crimes.
Crimes she didn't commit. She seemed completely innocent."
-[Jess]-, Vanilla Townie, has been lynched Day 2.
It is now Night 2. It ends 48 hours after this post, that is Feb 26th, 01:30 UTC.
(48 hours long nights will be kept since it's a newbie game)
All actions are due to my inbox until that date.
"After a great battle that's really hard for me to write at 11 PM having to get up at 5AM next day to go to work (and rEdo would probably kill me IRL if I don't post this soon), Jess had to answer for her crimes.
Crimes she didn't commit. She seemed completely innocent."
-[Jess]-, Vanilla Townie, has been lynched Day 2.
It is now Night 2. It ends 48 hours after this post, that is Feb 26th, 01:30 UTC.
(48 hours long nights will be kept since it's a newbie game)
All actions are due to my inbox until that date.
Topic Starter
"rEdo was kinda suicidal from yesterday, wasn't he?
Yeah that guy was like "I'm gonna be killed!", who could ever die or let alone be killed in a town so peaceful like this?
If I recall correctly that guy was always paranoid, I think he purchased a bulletproof vest before coming here.
Hey, wait a second.... what's that on the plaza....?
Oh...."
rEdo, 1-shot Bulletproof Townie, was killed Night 2.
It is now Day 2. It ends 6 days after this post, that is March 4th, 01:30 AM UTC.
Yeah that guy was like "I'm gonna be killed!", who could ever die or let alone be killed in a town so peaceful like this?
If I recall correctly that guy was always paranoid, I think he purchased a bulletproof vest before coming here.
Hey, wait a second.... what's that on the plaza....?
Oh...."
rEdo, 1-shot Bulletproof Townie, was killed Night 2.
It is now Day 2. It ends 6 days after this post, that is March 4th, 01:30 AM UTC.
Votecount 3.0 (Day 3 Start)
Hika [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
Frostings [0] -
B1rd [0] -
beeboy123 [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [6] - Hika, Sakura, abraker , Frostings , B1rd, beeboy123
With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch.
Hika [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
Frostings [0] -
B1rd [0] -
beeboy123 [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [6] - Hika, Sakura, abraker , Frostings , B1rd, beeboy123
With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch.
Vote: beeboy
Oh wait this is MyLo
Vote: No Lynch
Vote: No Lynch
Actually nvm it doesnt make a difference
Unvote
Vote: beeboy
Well there's currently a couple of things in my mind.
I'm already very convinced bee's one of them, i'm not sure on the 2nd, but if bee's town then i can consider this game lost, not sure if there's a point to voting NL if bee's gonna be lynched either way even if it's today or tomorrow.
Regardless now it's very true rEdo was shot N1 and it's about time i go and re-read D1 to figure out why.
Unvote
Vote: beeboy
Well there's currently a couple of things in my mind.
I'm already very convinced bee's one of them, i'm not sure on the 2nd, but if bee's town then i can consider this game lost, not sure if there's a point to voting NL if bee's gonna be lynched either way even if it's today or tomorrow.
Regardless now it's very true rEdo was shot N1 and it's about time i go and re-read D1 to figure out why.
To expand on this, i was actually hoping scum would have no killed N1 for one reason or another, but since rEdo died, there's no doubt anymore he was the N1 shot.Sakura wrote:
Regardless now it's very true rEdo was shot N1 and it's about time i go and re-read D1 to figure out why.
I am actually starting to think Sakura is scum tbh I'll post more later don't put me at L-2 during mylo pls.
All arguments on me she hasn't conceded is that we think differently usually and we had the same reads this game and I don't think she would use that garbage of a read on me.
Don't get me wrong we do think differently in almost if not all the games we play together it just doesn't make me scum and she knows that.
vote: Sakura
Don't get me wrong we do think differently in almost if not all the games we play together it just doesn't make me scum and she knows that.
vote: Sakura
X is town game = lostSakura wrote:
Actually nvm it doesnt make a difference
Unvote
Vote: beeboy
Well there's currently a couple of things in my mind.
I'm already very convinced bee's one of them, i'm not sure on the 2nd, but if bee's town then i can consider this game lost
X is scum game = deserve to lose
Very much bs scum tend to say in lylo.
I am also very much convinced that Sakura is a player that reads into wagon speed and things like that. (In street fighter mafia she town read Ranger for having a fast wagon that was a counter wagon to scum) and she basically neglected it all together like it is shit play to think that is really weird her opinion on how to play mafia as a whole would change like that.
I let it all slide because I felt like the rest of her play was very much to her town game and I was kinda apathetic in terms of pushing her after the last game we played together but she is scum.
I let it all slide because I felt like the rest of her play was very much to her town game and I was kinda apathetic in terms of pushing her after the last game we played together but she is scum.
This is so not true, lol.beeboy123 wrote:
X is town game = lostSakura wrote:
Actually nvm it doesnt make a difference
Unvote
Vote: beeboy
Well there's currently a couple of things in my mind.
I'm already very convinced bee's one of them, i'm not sure on the 2nd, but if bee's town then i can consider this game lost
X is scum game = deserve to lose
Very much bs scum tend to say in lylo.
She really has been ok lynching anyone but b1rd, frosting and rEdo this game which is really bad coming from someone who solves the game via town hunting.
What wagon speed did i neglect? Im fairly sure all wagons that have formed here have been slow with the exception of yours, which was a way to make you come in and contribute, and all you did was come and complain about my read and b1rd's on you instead of commenting on anything else that had happenedbeeboy123 wrote:
I am also very much convinced that Sakura is a player that reads into wagon speed and things like that. (In street fighter mafia she town read Ranger for having a fast wagon that was a counter wagon to scum) and she basically neglected it all together like it is shit play to think that is really weird her opinion on how to play mafia as a whole would change like that.
I let it all slide because I felt like the rest of her play was very much to her town game and I was kinda apathetic in terms of pushing her after the last game we played together but she is scum.
Meanwhile, you've been pretty much lurking it out all of D2, and didnt comment on anything that happened other than your read on Jess or my read on you.beeboy123 wrote:
She really has been ok lynching anyone but b1rd, frosting and rEdo this game which is really bad coming from someone who solves the game via town hunting.
Considering at the very least i've been trying to figure this out, you've just been vote parking jess all of D2 and complaining
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Did you forget you completely neglected dawnsday being lynched in 3 days with the only player fighting against the wagon being myself?Sakura wrote:
What wagon speed did i neglect? Im fairly sure all wagons that have formed here have been slow with the exception of yours, which was a way to make you come in and contribute, and all you did was come and complain about my read and b1rd's on you instead of commenting on anything else that had happenedbeeboy123 wrote:
I am also very much convinced that Sakura is a player that reads into wagon speed and things like that. (In street fighter mafia she town read Ranger for having a fast wagon that was a counter wagon to scum) and she basically neglected it all together like it is shit play to think that is really weird her opinion on how to play mafia as a whole would change like that.
I let it all slide because I felt like the rest of her play was very much to her town game and I was kinda apathetic in terms of pushing her after the last game we played together but she is scum.
I mean your read on me was complete garbage you just said abunch of things that don't line up with anything you know about me as a player and b1rd just ignored my scum hunting and said I wasn't doing it.
Given how the only people you haven't tried to push to lynch are frosting and b1rd and frosting is really unlikely to be scum b1rd is probably just your scum buddy.
last night I basically came to the realization yours and b1rds push on me is the same as the push pie and muffin made on me in PCB mafia where you just argue I am not scum hunting while ignoring all my scum hunting because I don't have strong or confident reads as town. What you are b1rd are doing is the same shit zmuffin and pie did.
Guess you can ignore I was on VLA for all of D2 until he end of the day phase and argue this sure.Sakura wrote:
Meanwhile, you've been pretty much lurking it out all of D2, and didnt comment on anything that happened other than your read on Jess or my read on you.beeboy123 wrote:
She really has been ok lynching anyone but b1rd, frosting and rEdo this game which is really bad coming from someone who solves the game via town hunting.
And also ignore the change in all my other reads at the time