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Newbie Game 15: Rise From The Ashes [Game over!]

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Sakura
I spent most of D2 trying to lynch Jess and everyone kept saying she would flip town after her stunt.
If you get rekt by her not my problem anymore, im tired of trying.
Sakura
Literally tired, sorry, it was half rant.
B1rd
Wasn't really a rant. Well the thing with Jess, I don't really care about "punishing" her for bad play, but I'd have preferred to vote her since she's played pretty anti-town and I can't really tell whether she's scum or not. But I'd rather take the chance and lynch someone who I actually think is scummy, especially when people like rEdo who have played with her more actually do think Jess is town.

If someone is just playing bad, I'd rather just not play with them in the future. (though I can't really say I like this WotC thing, I'd prefer to just say who I didn't want to play with upfront)
beeboy123
A) I am still waiting for b1rd to respond to my post where I called his entire read on me false. Like his read on me was 100% confusion of my posts and if he actually spoke to me I don't think he'd think I am scum.
B) Sakura you literally know exactly why I haven't had time for this thread and you used the same reasoning to spend all of lover's mafia tunneling me. Like literally you spent all of lover's mafia tunneling me because I wasn't getting involved in the thread and in that game I did have time to check the thread. But hey 2nd times the charm right?
C) Hika is prolly just scum with Jess
Sakura

beeboy123 wrote:

B) Sakura you literally know exactly why I haven't had time for this thread and you used the same reasoning to spend all of lover's mafia tunneling me. Like literally you spent all of lover's mafia tunneling me because I wasn't getting involved in the thread and in that game I did have time to check the thread. But hey 2nd times the charm right?
I actually didnt remember much about Yuri mafia, unless you're talking about another lovers game then i def. have no idea which game you're talking about.
Sakura
Also not having time for this thread due to irl stuff is no excuse to do nothing with the time that you DO have.
beeboy123
Jess is literally going to come into the thread and hammer me btw.
Also rEdo's vote on me is cause I apparently am not scum hunting even though I very much have been ._.

I am tired of defending myself from garbage on this site.

I would say I am a blatant counter wagon to scum and this wagon happened so fast despite Jess doing literally nothing and being pretty scum read that I couldn't possibly flip scum but no one listened to me when I said Dawnsday was town for similar reasons so I guess you guys can have fun continuing ignore me and lose this game.
beeboy123

Sakura wrote:

beeboy123 wrote:

B) Sakura you literally know exactly why I haven't had time for this thread and you used the same reasoning to spend all of lover's mafia tunneling me. Like literally you spent all of lover's mafia tunneling me because I wasn't getting involved in the thread and in that game I did have time to check the thread. But hey 2nd times the charm right?
I actually didnt remember much about Yuri mafia, unless you're talking about another lovers game then i def. have no idea which game you're talking about.
Are you trying to tell me you didn't argue I wasn't participating in Yuri mafia?
beeboy123

Sakura wrote:

Also not having time for this thread due to irl stuff is no excuse to do nothing with the time that you DO have.
I mean I don't think I am coming into this thread and doing nothing when I do have the time to post.
Hika
im not scum with jess
im down for that too as long as you go down with her leeeemayo
Hika
Unvote
Hika
I see the pressure getting to ya now :p
Sakura
I mean he just beetlejuiced
And also he just misread my post... but that's normal.
beeboy123
beeboy123

Sakura wrote:

I mean he just beetlejuiced
And also he just misread my post... but that's normal.
I am lurking the thread on my phone while watching anime in my basement and I don't feel like getting mislynched for garbage reasons but pushing people can wait until my friends leave. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
beeboy123
Also b1rd still hasn't responded to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Also I have a higher post count in my scum game then I do in my town game which is something I pointed out to you when you scum read me in Yuri mafia when you scum read me for not being proactive ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Also you still know why I have been lurking this game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Sakura
And i never mentioned i didnt do what you said i did in Yuri mafia ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
beeboy123
Oh you're right I misread your post.

Then to go back to that post.
Yes I am talking about Yuri mafia the game where you are scum reading me for the same reason you are scum reading me this game.
And literally everything I said to defend myself to defend myself in the game applies to this game and then some because I really haven't had the time to check this game thread.
beeboy123
But hey I guess you can ignore the fact I post more as scum, I haven't had time to post and you've done this same thing before and come to the conclusion I am scum if that's what you want to do all of these are legit facts.
B1rd

beeboy123 wrote:

A) I am still waiting for b1rd to respond to my post where I called his entire read on me false. Like his read on me was 100% confusion of my posts and if he actually spoke to me I don't think he'd think I am scum.
Pretty sure I did p/5835756 :roll:

beeboy123 wrote:

I am tired of defending myself from garbage on this site.

I would say I am a blatant counter wagon to scum and this wagon happened so fast despite Jess doing literally nothing and being pretty scum read that I couldn't possibly flip scum but no one listened to me when I said Dawnsday was town for similar reasons so I guess you guys can have fun continuing ignore me and lose this game.
I don't think your counter-wagon claim holds much weight when pretty much all the people voting you are strong town reads, at least to me, and who were actually voting Jess before. It's not one else fault that you've been lurking, now you're just complaining and blaming everyone else now that you're under pressure for valid reasons. Sick of defending yourself? You've put like half the effort in defending yourself than some other people have done pursuing one scum read. And even less actually following your own. This reaction pretty much just consolidates my scum read on you.
B1rd
Also I'm pretty sure with me, Hika and Sakura that's only L-2, of course it would be easier to tell if someone would post vote updates more frequently :roll:
Sakura
Regardless you give my memory too much credit, i was mostly thinking back to the games we played together when i was Luna Fox.
I ALSO mentioned im aware of your irl issues.
But there's still some weird things about your play this game that are giving me weird feelings.
Like what i mentioned before that you surprisingly arrived at the same reads i had when we usually end up arguing about townreads.
Sakura

B1rd wrote:

Also I'm pretty sure with me, Hika and Sakura that's only L-2, of course it would be easier to tell if someone would post vote updates more frequently :roll:
yeah because rEdo switched to Hika to sheep me earlier.
beeboy123

Sakura wrote:

Regardless you give my memory too much credit, i was mostly thinking back to the games we played together when i was Luna Fox.
I ALSO mentioned im aware of your irl issues.
But there's still some weird things about your play this game that are giving me weird feelings.
Like what i mentioned before that you surprisingly arrived at the same reads i had when we usually end up arguing about townreads.
We agreed on reads in dank meme mafia o3o
-[Jess]-

beeboy123 wrote:

Jess is literally going to come into the thread and hammer me btw.
Also rEdo's vote on me is cause I apparently am not scum hunting even though I very much have been ._.

I am tired of defending myself from garbage on this site.

I would say I am a blatant counter wagon to scum and this wagon happened so fast despite Jess doing literally nothing and being pretty scum read that I couldn't possibly flip scum but no one listened to me when I said Dawnsday was town for similar reasons so I guess you guys can have fun continuing ignore me and lose this game.
No,I won't do this anymore
I will post later after I get clam down since those two quote makes me get emotional and just realized I do nothing.starting to read for to first day.
Sakura

beeboy123 wrote:

Sakura wrote:

Regardless you give my memory too much credit, i was mostly thinking back to the games we played together when i was Luna Fox.
I ALSO mentioned im aware of your irl issues.
But there's still some weird things about your play this game that are giving me weird feelings.
Like what i mentioned before that you surprisingly arrived at the same reads i had when we usually end up arguing about townreads.
We agreed on reads in dank meme mafia o3o
You mean the game where you wanted to lynch me?
The game where i got pushed hard for townreading postie?

Much agreement, very wow
beeboy123

B1rd wrote:

beeboy123 wrote:

A) I am still waiting for b1rd to respond to my post where I called his entire read on me false. Like his read on me was 100% confusion of my posts and if he actually spoke to me I don't think he'd think I am scum.
Pretty sure I did p/5835756 :roll:

beeboy123 wrote:

I am tired of defending myself from garbage on this site.

I would say I am a blatant counter wagon to scum and this wagon happened so fast despite Jess doing literally nothing and being pretty scum read that I couldn't possibly flip scum but no one listened to me when I said Dawnsday was town for similar reasons so I guess you guys can have fun continuing ignore me and lose this game.
I don't think your counter-wagon claim holds much weight when pretty much all the people voting you are strong town reads, at least to me, and who were actually voting Jess before. It's not one else fault that you've been lurking, now you're just complaining and blaming everyone else now that you're under pressure for valid reasons. Sick of defending yourself? You've put like half the effort in defending yourself than some other people have done pursuing one scum read. And even less actually following your own. This reaction pretty much just consolidates my scum read on you.
So as scum why exactly would I go out of my way to draw attention to myself and defend Dawnsday when I literally could have let the day end incredibly early by doing nothing and you know siding with people. But hey I guess defending Dawnsday doesn't count as scum hunting. Pushing Jess doesn't count as scum hunting and I was abusing the VLA system to lurk even tho Sakura confirmed I have real life things preventing me from entering the thread.
beeboy123

Sakura wrote:

You mean the game where you wanted to lynch me?
The game where i got pushed hard for townreading postie?

Much agreement, very wow
I never scum read you in dank meme mafia?
beeboy123
And we agreed on like all reads up until lylo.
Sakura
beeboy123
It doesn't count when I scum read everyone that isn't my mason partner.
Sakura

beeboy123 wrote:

And we agreed on like all reads up until lylo.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8144154
beeboy123
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p8223870

I was going to Lynch postie not you.
Postie the person you where pushing.
I was cooperating with you the most out of anyone that wasn't conf town.
B1rd
Defending Dawnsday is super easy to rationalise as scum. I mean lots of things are D1, but it's that in combination with other things. You can't just blame all your problems on RL things, firstly, you knew when you joined the game that it would be a commitment. And really, it only takes like an hour a day to be completely up to date with the game. You can't spare that? It's just weak excuses. If you really couldn't spare enough time to play the game you should have just replaced yourself.
Sakura
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p8148666
"Her paranoia looks town"
and you vote her right after.

We did disagree on postie probably a few others if i keep going
beeboy123
We disagreed on Dawnsday... which is like 20% of players that don't include the 2 of us.
Which is roughly the equivalent of disagreeing with 2 people in a mini sized game.

Also agreeing with reads making me scum is such a stupid scum tell I could literally say the same about you.
Sakura
My theory is that you have a hard time coming up with reads and so you used mine :)
beeboy123
But I don't have trouble coming up with reads as scum o3o
beeboy123
If you can find me a game where I have trouble faking scum hunting especially when I am a player that can get away with pushing people for really nonsensical reasons and be able to back it up with meta be my guest.
Sakura

Sakura wrote:

My TR on bee has been weakening as of late, but part of it is paranoia coz me and beeboy usually tend to not agree on townreads, and his latest reads list seems to mirror mine more or less.
(I had already mentioned TRs on him, b1rd and Frosty, and with the rEdo CC out of the way that would make rEdo town, leading to a PoE of Hika/Jess/abraker)
I was half expecting him to fight me on the Jess lynch and say Jess is town or something.
Also you never replied to this back then.
You're only complaining now.
Frostings
do I have to click those links? because I don't really wanna click those links

I thought Sakura's vote on beeboy was a reaction test what
why are we pushing so many different people a few days before the deadline and what is that super fast beeboy wagon
Sakura

Frostings wrote:

do I have to click those links? because I don't really wanna click those links

I thought Sakura's vote on beeboy was a reaction test what
why are we pushing so many different people a few days before the deadline and what is that super fast beeboy wagon
I was checking to see if he would beetlejuice
Frostings

Sakura wrote:

I was checking to see if he would beetlejuice
is that scum indicative?
beeboy123

Sakura wrote:

Sakura wrote:

My TR on bee has been weakening as of late, but part of it is paranoia coz me and beeboy usually tend to not agree on townreads, and his latest reads list seems to mirror mine more or less.
(I had already mentioned TRs on him, b1rd and Frosty, and with the rEdo CC out of the way that would make rEdo town, leading to a PoE of Hika/Jess/abraker)
I was half expecting him to fight me on the Jess lynch and say Jess is town or something.
Also you never replied to this back then.
You're only complaining now.
Agreeing on reads is a garbage scum tell regardless of who you are talking to there you go I replied.

Now find me a game as scum where I am uncomfortable making reads and pushing people.
Sakura

Frostings wrote:

Sakura wrote:

I was checking to see if he would beetlejuice
is that scum indicative?
No, but at least finally managed to get some decent content out of him.
Sakura

beeboy123 wrote:

Agreeing on reads is a garbage scum tell regardless of who you are talking to there you go I replied.

Now find me a game as scum where I am uncomfortable making reads and pushing people.
Umm, knowing you you'd probably get help from a scum partner and as such are pretty sure i wont find one.
beeboy123

Sakura wrote:

beeboy123 wrote:

Agreeing on reads is a garbage scum tell regardless of who you are talking to there you go I replied.

Now find me a game as scum where I am uncomfortable making reads and pushing people.
Umm, knowing you you'd probably get help from a scum partner and as such are pretty sure i wont find one.
I've literally never been coached ever so pls try again.
Sakura
But just in case ill go double check Gistou and makai mix.
beeboy123
Like we both know my sense of pride would ever stop me from doing something like that.
beeboy123
Hell I spent all of gistou just arguing with people about literally everything
Frostings

-[Jess]- wrote:

I will post later after I get clam down since those two quote makes me get emotional and just realized I do nothing.starting to read for to first day.
I really hope that got lost in translation
Sakura
Sakura
Long story short, yeah you're right that you don't have issue coming up with reads as scum.
I just dont get it everyone has different reads than mine except you... or at least different to what i had at that point.
And generally we disagree with reads, heck we had a big debate last game about it you arguing about my TR on GE and i arguing about your TR on Wisdom
Sakura
Also i'm not the only player here bee, you just ignored B1rd's legitimate concern about you.
beeboy123
You where town reading wisdom and I was town reading GE we where just disagreeing on the reasoning we used we still agreed on those reads.

Agreeing on reads isn't really a scum tell either. aren't YOU a player that sees that as a town tell anyway? Like didn't you town read Aero for having the same reads you did even though his reads came after yours.
Sakura

beeboy123 wrote:

You where town reading wisdom and I was town reading GE we where just disagreeing on the reasoning we used we still agreed on those reads.

Agreeing on reads isn't really a scum tell either. aren't YOU a player that sees that as a town tell anyway? Like didn't you town read Aero for having the same reads you did even though his reads came after yours.
It was the opposite, you gave TR on Wisdom because "lol not reading thread"
Yes, but i see something different with you, it's been idk... something bothering me ever since i saw your reads list
beeboy123

B1rd wrote:

Defending Dawnsday is super easy to rationalise as scum. I mean lots of things are D1, but it's that in combination with other things. You can't just blame all your problems on RL things, firstly, you knew when you joined the game that it would be a commitment. And really, it only takes like an hour a day to be completely up to date with the game. You can't spare that? It's just weak excuses. If you really couldn't spare enough time to play the game you should have just replaced yourself.
It still doesn't change the fact I actually actually scum hunting.
And I don't know what you want me to do about not being able to push people at the start of day 2 because I was VLA like I just didn't respond to this post because you are literally just conf biasing me at this point.
And I very much am scum hunting but w/e
beeboy123

Sakura wrote:

beeboy123 wrote:

You where town reading wisdom and I was town reading GE we where just disagreeing on the reasoning we used we still agreed on those reads.

Agreeing on reads isn't really a scum tell either. aren't YOU a player that sees that as a town tell anyway? Like didn't you town read Aero for having the same reads you did even though his reads came after yours.
It was the opposite, you gave TR on Wisdom because "lol not reading thread"
Yes, but i see something different with you, it's been idk... something bothering me ever since i saw your reads list
wow such description
Sakura
It's kinda weird that after all these months of you disagreeing with my reads suddenly this game you come to the same reads i do.
beeboy123
*bangs head on wall*
Sakura
Ugh, i really need to sleep, this fever isnt doing me any favors and much less is this 1v1 with you.
beeboy123
Maybe after this game you'll finally stop scum reading every game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Hika

Frostings wrote:

-[Jess]- wrote:

I will post later after I get clam down since those two quote makes me get emotional and just realized I do nothing.starting to read for to first day.
I really hope that got lost in translation
Lmfao I wish you didn't say this honestly
Hika
Also I'm goin ta bed. My cold getting icky. Good night.
abraker
Woah. There is no way I will be able to read all of this in time due to work. :\
rEdo
@Zexion: Are you alive?

Proper post soon, busy with stuff right now.
Sakura

I think we need to start consolidating soon
Sakura
So one thing still bothers me about beeboy and it's the fact that he came only to defend himself, he didnt comment on anything else that happened.
Jess is still a wild card.
Hika i think i may have been overthinking it.
abraker continues to do nothing but defend Hika and attack Frosty.

Everyone else im fairly sure is town.
Hika
Abraker, why u defending me fam
abraker

Hika wrote:

Abraker, why u defending me fam
What post indicates I am defending you? I might be agreeing with you, but not defending. I still believe you can turn out to be scum, so you are not off the hook. It's see others more scummier than you, which is why I haven't been questioning you as of late.

Also to;dr Beeboy is getting rammed and Sakura doesn't suspect Hika of scum anymore?
I just skimmed through the thing so I definitely don't have a full picture of what happened while I was asleep. Will catch up to stuff in some 7 or 8 hours
beeboy123

Sakura wrote:

So one thing still bothers me about beeboy and it's the fact that he came only to defend himself, he didnt comment on anything else that happened.
That's cause the only thing between my reads and my posts where people attacking me >.>
beeboy123

Sakura wrote:


I think we need to start consolidating soon
I agree vote Jess.
Topic Starter
Zexion
PSA: not dead, still on work. Votecount, explanations and stuff in about 3 hours.
Topic Starter
Zexion
@Hika: I'll just let this pass because you're an experienced player and because I really don't want to disrupt the flow of the game. This is everyone's last chance: please pay attention when posting.

Votecount 2.8
beeboy123 [2] - Sakura, , B1rd
-[Jess]- [1] - beeboy123
Frostings [1] - abraker
Hika [1] - rEdo
rEdo [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
B1rd [0] -

No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [3] - Frostings, Hika, -[Jess]-
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Please tell me if you see any mistakes.
Day 2 ends on Feb 24th, 22:00 UTC.

Hika
Thanks Zexion.

Anyways, I'm around for the next 5 hours.
B1rd
Why'd you unvote beeboy?
Hika
Chances of a hammer from someone who wasn't paying attention.
I think I said that earlier too
Hika
Vote:bboy
rEdo
@beeboy:
a) Gimme reasons to think Jess is scum.
b) Why would you beetlejuice? You literally showed up when the wagon shifted from Jess to you, and you just said your vote sits on Jess without a proper explanation. I pretty much second everything that Sakura have said to this point.

Unvote
Vote: beeboy123 (this is L-2)
rEdo
WHOA WAIT

Unvote
rEdo
Now when I think about it, I believe it's safer to actually lynch Jess and see her flip. If she turns out scum - woo, that's the time to revaluate the game for me. If she turn town - we could just push beeboy to the end of the world.

But I want to hear from beeboy first, seriously.
Hika
that's what i was saying but he beetlejuice so hard lel
Frostings
Vote Jess
I'd really rather not lynch beeboy today
He's still in my townread
B1rd
I still want to lynch beeboy. But Jess or beeboy, at this point I just want to lynch someone.
rEdo

B1rd wrote:

I still want to lynch beeboy. But Jess or beeboy, at this point I just want to lynch someone.
you filthy murderer skum vote berd gg game solveded

But yeah, I have to agree on Frosty here. I believe lynching Jess will actually yield much more information for us than lynching beeboy. Still holding myself from the vote, though.
rEdo
B1rd, why beeboy over Jess?
beeboy123

rEdo wrote:

@beeboy:
a) Gimme reasons to think Jess is scum.
b) Why would you beetlejuice? You literally showed up when the wagon shifted from Jess to you, and you just said your vote sits on Jess without a proper explanation. I pretty much second everything that Sakura have said to this point.

Unvote
Vote: beeboy123 (this is L-2)

a) Jess declared intent to hammer on Dawnsday I just don't buy that she didn't realize he was at L-1 when she voted him a few pages earlier and her reasons to vote him are also kinda sketchy.
b) I was lurking the thread in between anime episodes I was watching with a friend and was going to post some time around 1 am but I don't like being at L-1 with Jess off my wagon so I decided to post.
beeboy123
I'll try and not be VLA in the future guys I didn't know having things to do IRL would cause so many problems.
beeboy123
Anyway I have something I want to do in 30-45 mins and I won't be back until 1am or something so if you have anything you want to ask you should do it now.
rEdo
I'm not really satisfied with your effort put into this game. Literally everyone could just say "I vote Jess because I don't like that she hammered", but.. on the other hand this really is a valid argument one could use to SR her x.x

I'm so edgy this game I have no idea what to thinkt anymore. I think we need the Jess flip.

God, fuck this.
Vote: -[Jess]-
rEdo
I mean, she's been beetlejuicing as well, but that's literally all she does every fucking game.
Hika
Let's just call it a PL.
Unvote
Vote: Jess
Hika
Jess L-1. Care.
rEdo
L-1
Hika
I don't care who hammer tbh just write what you think and declare intent to hammer
rEdo
If Jess self-hammers and flips town I will *REDACTED*
Hika
TBH
B1rd

rEdo wrote:

B1rd, why beeboy over Jess?
It's that I think beeboy is scum, but with Jess it's more I think she might be scum, but I'm not really sure. I'm fine with voting Jess too, but that's more of a conservative option, I'd prefer to go with my scumreads.

Welp, seems that it has swung back to a Jess lynch after all, I'm fine with hammering when everyone's ready.
rEdo
The reason I started the beeboy wagon was because I thought this can't be this simple and that we need to make out the most of today as possible, but in the end it seems like we need that flip.
Sakura
I'm hammering within 1 hour if no one has any objections.
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