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DaddyCoolVipper
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DaddyCoolVipper
You're very quick to dismiss my complaints about your sources as "arbitrary". You've been linking to complete shit what, 80 or 90% of the time? The interview was one of the better things, but I don't think it's unrealistic to assume that it's not the most relevant thing in the world if it was published in the US during the Cold War. There's obviously a conflict of interest there, they wouldn't want to publish something that wasn't vehemently anti-Russia at the time.

Again, Sargon is one of the less-shit "sources" you have, I really personally dislike him though. This is coming from someone who used to follow his stuff, I feel like he's gone off the deep end.

America WAS pushing propaganda, plain and simple. No air quotes about it. You think they were in the right because you dislike Communism, sure, but I don't think it's worth defending their content as if it's 100% accurate just because they happened to agree with you. (I'm noticing a pattern in what evidence you choose to believe, I wonder if you've noticed it too :^). )

I don't think you particularly know about Russian history, nor about Communism, honestly. I hope you understand that you're a bit of an extremist Capitalist yourself. Most people who believe in capitalism don't believe in an unregulated free market.

Free speech isn't sacred, it's something that should exist to ensure people can function in society without repression. I think it fits that purpose just fine, even if hate speech is explicitly banned. There are many exceptions to free speech within the Constitution for this very purpose. Nazism incites imminent violence. Stalinist Communism incites imminent violence. ISIS propaganda is inciting imminent violence. I'm not okay with any of these, but you've been seemingly defending them the entire time under the guise of "free speech being sacred".

I turned the issue about Muslims just because I've seen a lot of stupid arguments coming out of the right-wing about Islam and that annoys me, I guess. Your little point about crime stats from Sweden just proves mine even further, that you don't actually pay attention to decent sources and just believe the shit that you happen to agree with. I know you already mentioned I'd call you out on it, but just to let you know, you can read this article by The Telegraph, containing actual data in context. Notice the public perception of immigrants linked to crime massively difference from the reality seen in the statistics. Also, a couple of facts- there are no such thing as "no go zones" in Sweden, none at all. You're reading Fake News every single time you see them cited as evidence of anything. Secondly, Sweden reports rapes very differently to other countries. Every single time someone is raped within the same year as the reported crime, each of those incidents is counted as a seperate rape. Sweden also, iirc, makes no distinction between rape and some other forms of sexual assault.

Feel free to verify those yourself if you actually want the truth, it's not hard to find good evidence for things that are proven with statistics and facts.
Blitzfrog
388 posts
Joined March 2016
Blitzfrog
B1rd vs Viper

Cast your votes now!!
ColdTooth
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Joined June 2012
ColdTooth
I vote for my left foot! *throws popcorn everywhere*
Rwyta
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Joined September 2016
Rwyta
Voted none.
B1rd
2,974 posts
Joined December 2013
B1rd
zzz I'd like it if this was an actual forum type forum, but it seems there's the popcorn gallery of shitposters and then two people in text wall wars.
B1rd
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Joined December 2013
B1rd

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

SPOILER
You're very quick to dismiss my complaints about your sources as "arbitrary". You've been linking to complete shit what, 80 or 90% of the time? The interview was one of the better things, but I don't think it's unrealistic to assume that it's not the most relevant thing in the world if it was published in the US during the Cold War. There's obviously a conflict of interest there, they wouldn't want to publish something that wasn't vehemently anti-Russia at the time.

Again, Sargon is one of the less-shit "sources" you have, I really personally dislike him though. This is coming from someone who used to follow his stuff, I feel like he's gone off the deep end.

America WAS pushing propaganda, plain and simple. No air quotes about it. You think they were in the right because you dislike Communism, sure, but I don't think it's worth defending their content as if it's 100% accurate just because they happened to agree with you. (I'm noticing a pattern in what evidence you choose to believe, I wonder if you've noticed it too :^). )

I don't think you particularly know about Russian history, nor about Communism, honestly. I hope you understand that you're a bit of an extremist Capitalist yourself. Most people who believe in capitalism don't believe in an unregulated free market.

Free speech isn't sacred, it's something that should exist to ensure people can function in society without repression. I think it fits that purpose just fine, even if hate speech is explicitly banned. There are many exceptions to free speech within the Constitution for this very purpose. Nazism incites imminent violence. Stalinist Communism incites imminent violence. ISIS propaganda is inciting imminent violence. I'm not okay with any of these, but you've been seemingly defending them the entire time under the guise of "free speech being sacred".

I turned the issue about Muslims just because I've seen a lot of stupid arguments coming out of the right-wing about Islam and that annoys me, I guess. Your little point about crime stats from Sweden just proves mine even further, that you don't actually pay attention to decent sources and just believe the shit that you happen to agree with. I know you already mentioned I'd call you out on it, but just to let you know, you can read this article by The Telegraph, containing actual data in context. Notice the public perception of immigrants linked to crime massively difference from the reality seen in the statistics. Also, a couple of facts- there are no such thing as "no go zones" in Sweden, none at all. You're reading Fake News every single time you see them cited as evidence of anything. Secondly, Sweden reports rapes very differently to other countries. Every single time someone is raped within the same year as the reported crime, each of those incidents is counted as a seperate rape. Sweden also, iirc, makes no distinction between rape and some other forms of sexual assault.

Feel free to verify those yourself if you actually want the truth, it's not hard to find good evidence for things that are proven with statistics and facts.

If you don't want to call your dismissals arbitrary, THEN STOP ARBITRARILY DISMISSING THEM WITHOUT EVIDENCE. Like seriously, stop. "Oh I care so much about statistics, my statistics are the holy grail of truth, your evidence is FAAAKE NEEEEWS, because reasons."

I'd like to note that when I'm talking about Nazism, I'm not talking about extremist Hitlerist Nazism, I'm talking about moderate Nazism :^)

Alright, if you think America was pushing propaganda, then prove it. Give me proof that America went on a campaign to intentionally make out the communist regime to be something it wasn't. I'll be waiting. And you better not use any fake news for sources btw, which will be determined by me ; )

I like how you talk about how free speech is against repression, but you advocate for the repression of certain political groups. Stop trying to make out the constitution to be what you want it to be, I've already debunked your claims on the "exceptions" of free speech. Free speech talks about the freedom to advocate political ideas, it doesn't literally mean any sound that comes out of your mouth is protected by the government. However, YOU want free speech to exclude some political beliefs, therefore you completely invalidate the idea of free speech. Call it something else, call the law that you want "safe speech" or something like that, because it sure as hell isn't free speech.
Also, I'd go on to tell you how illogical you are being saying that advocating a political ideology constitutes advocating imminent violence, and that you really need to research the meaning of imminent, but at that point I feel we'd be coming a full circle.


Now I have plenty of sources about how bad Sweden is, but of course you would just dismiss all of them as FAKE NEWS without evidence. And for the rest of the hard statistics, showing that Sweden, being the country that has accepted the most immigrants, and is now the rape capital of Europe, you will give some contrived excuse that I've heard a million times before like "they report rape differently" or "it's a more progressive country so they report rape more". And I don't completely disagree that you disregard statistics, since things like that are extremely susceptible to being influenced by the agenda of whomever commissioned them, and it's extremely hard to find out the validity of the statistics. Like, I like how your graph shows something like 1000 deaths by Muslims terrorists in the recent years, and mine is like 10,000. What is the difference? Who knows. I'd rather not getting into a squabble determined by who can't shout "fake news!" the loudest.

But actually looking at the statistics in your article, it actually shows a correlation between crime and immigration. In around 2004, when immigration started exploding, we see a steady increase and acceleration of crime rates. Why they have dropped off recently, I couldn't say, it could be many reasons, perhaps lots of crime is committed in ghettos where the people being surveyed didn't go. Perhaps, since this is pretty much the official state statistics service, they are tweaking the figures to suit their agenda. "Conspiracy theory!!". Oh wait, weren't you before going on about how America made up heaps of propaganda to suit their agenda? I suppose that was different though because that suited your ideology better while this time it doesn't.

But something that did catch my eye, is that your article directly stated that immigrants are a burden on the welfare, and that they have much higher unemployment rates than native citizens. And this is directly contrary to claims you have made before about immigrants not being a burden on a country economically. What, are you gonna call your own article fake news now? Lol.
N0thingSpecial
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Joined November 2015
N0thingSpecial
Not sure what I stopped into but Hitler did nothing wrong
DaddyCoolVipper
342 posts
Joined July 2012
DaddyCoolVipper
If you don't want to call your dismissals arbitrary, THEN STOP ARBITRARILY DISMISSING THEM WITHOUT EVIDENCE. Like seriously, stop. "Oh I care so much about statistics, my statistics are the holy grail of truth, your evidence is FAAAKE NEEEEWS, because reasons."
Holy shit dude, you pick your fucking sources as a hill to die on? You didn't seem like it was such a big deal earlier when you were defending yourself by saying you randomly found them from Google or whatever. I didn't even argue against that, but you're being incredibly sensitive about your awful quality sources of information. You're literally asking me to prove that Cold War propaganda existed in some nonsensical attempt to prove me wrong, like it's incredibly hard to get that kind of information without having to go to retarded blogs or other shady websites. Here's a couple of pages from a design blog, showing many different designs used by either side from the Cold War:

http://www.designer-daily.com/10-amazin ... sters-2901
http://www.designer-daily.com/examples- ... ganda-2918

And here is one from another blog about propaganda in general.

https://manspropaganda.wordpress.com/the-cold-war/

Notice how even linking blogs is okay as long as they don't have some ridiculous political bias or other dubious-quality information and claims.

Big wikipedia page about the subject: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_d ... e_Cold_War , detailing the widespread use of propaganda from both sides as they were indeed fighting an ideological war, as you pointed out earlier. Of course both governments would want to use propaganda to promote themselves and demonise the enemy.


Now, let's show a few examples from the "sources" you've been providing. RightWingNews.com:

"I guess the Stasi are alive and well these days. If you think this won’t happen in the US, think again. The left is already working towards it. There is no free speech outside of the US anymore and if Obama and his cronies get their way, it won’t exist here much longer."

Sounds incredibly balanced and competent as a journalistic piece. This is from the exact page you linked me to to prove one of your points.

The next source you posted, markhumphrys.com, saw no issue in publishing the baseless claim:

"With the rise of endless Islamic terrorism in the West, there has been a psychological need to portray a similar "Christian terrorism" in cinema and TV."

And seems generally unafraid to mix in random emotive shit while pushing what seems to be legit data:

"One of the worst examples of the left blaming the wrong people was when a Jew-hating neo-Nazi carried out a terrorist attack on Sikhs in Wisconsin in 2012.
Leftists blamed anyone and everyone on the right, including more or less the entire GOP. They even blamed Jew-loving, anti-jihad, Israel supporters, who a neo-Nazi skinhead is hardly likely to be reading!"

I can't exactly respect "factual reports" that go out of their way to emotionally appeal to the reader, sorry.

Your next source is some Sargon of Akkad video that I don't care about. It's whatever, I don't feel like watching it through to see if it's BS or not. Let's just assume he has legit information there at least.

The next source: "OathKeepers.org".

"Global Warming is About Destroying Capitalism?"
"Friendly Reminder: Obama Selected The List Of Muslim Countries in Trump’s Executive Order"
"n cities across America and as far away as Madrid, women were out in force to protest someone they clearly know nothing about. What was it about his inaugural speech that set them in motion? What caused these women to identify themselves as mere vaginas? Who is behind the so-called women’s rights operation? Why were they protesting Donald Trump?"

"Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association" <-- lol

And finally your last source is David Vose's youtube channel, which looks like this.


He posted an interview that was filmed and published during the Cold War, when America wanted the USSR to look bad. I'd be a lot less wary of it if it was filmed after that was over, y'know.


So! Out of 5 sources you've posted, 2 have been completely bullshit (OathKeepers and RightWingNews), two have been very questionable (markhumphrys.com and the interview with the Russian), and one has been something I haven't bothered to check out properly. Seems to fit my evaluation of at least 80% of the stuff you've been using as evidence being crap.

I just don't get why you want me to specifically criticise this, as if they're utterly baseless claims until I spell out all the evidence for you. Are you that fucking blind to right-wing propaganda and emotive BS that you don't even see how ridiculous the sites that you link me to are? You got so defensive that it sounds like you really wanted them to be true.

B1rd wrote:

Also, I'd go on to tell you how illogical you are being saying that advocating a political ideology constitutes advocating imminent violence, and that you really need to research the meaning of imminent
Weren't you trying to argue that Communism calls for violence, citing its open call to violently seize property and reallocate it to the state? That sounds "imminent" to me, yes.


I was talking about the Cold War, as you should have already been able to understand, when mentioning ANYTHING relating to American propaganda. I think Trump's White House has been shitting out a lot of it since he came into power, but it's not entirely permeated in media and society like any wartime propaganda was.

What an earth are you talking about with your line about the steady increase of immigration since 2004 directly causing crime to rise? If the charts of immigration to Sweden and crime don't match in their trend, then that proves that there's not a very strong connection, my dude. I also don't understand your point about disregarding statistics. I don't disregard statistics if they come from a good source. Is yours correctly showing information relating to *terrorist* attacks, attacks that explicitly link to terrorist organisations instead of lone-wolf attacks? Is your data specifically for Western Europe?
And it sounds like people may have already told you the reasons why Sweden is "the rape capital of Europe". I don't understand why you ignore them so easily, they explain the situation entirely. Nice buzzword title for the country, though.

Of course immigrants are a burden on the welfare system to some extent. It doesn't mean their total output is less than their total input, it just means that money has to go to more people via the welfare system than if they weren't there. You're purposely ignoring the definitions of words to suit your argument here.

I'd like to note that when I'm talking about Nazism, I'm not talking about extremist Hitlerist Nazism, I'm talking about moderate Nazism :^)
Hitler invented Nazism. No comparison.
Dawns
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Dawns
Didn't Anton Drexler 'invent' Nazism
Erlkonig
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Erlkonig


What the hell, these news has to be satire.
Zain Sugieres
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Zain Sugieres
Nazism wasn't "invented" by one man but Hitler is one of them so it still makes vipper's point true
Razzy
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Joined January 2016
Razzy

N0thingSpecial wrote:

Not sure what I stopped into but Hitler did nothing wrong
stop
Rwyta
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Joined September 2016
Rwyta
Mahogany
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Joined August 2014
Mahogany

Erlkonig wrote:



What the hell, these news has to be satire.
People believe this stuff
Now you know what's wrong with people like b1rd
Foxtrot
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Foxtrot
Mahogany if you're actually just gay for B1rd, admit it. I see that fucking username in your posts all the time
Yuudachi-kun
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Joined August 2014
Yuudachi-kun

Mahogany wrote:

Erlkonig wrote:



What the hell, these news has to be satire.
People believe this stuff
Now you know what's wrong with people like b1rd
This is how I feel about the liberal media
johnmedina999
296 posts
Joined October 2016
johnmedina999
Goddamn, how many memes are in the "Walmart Mystery Solved" thumbnail?
Mahogany
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Mahogany

Foxtrot wrote:

Mahogany if you're actually just gay for B1rd, admit it. I see that fucking username in your posts all the time
I'm gay for Masala though, b1rd is ew
Razzy
256 posts
Joined January 2016
Razzy

johnmedina999 wrote:

Goddamn, how many memes are in the "Walmart Mystery Solved" thumbnail?
Obama, Hillary, Soros, that photoshopped Iran missile test in the background, the upside-down Texas flag, whatever that toddler's name is

damn, this belongs in the MoMA for being such a masterpiece
Railey2
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Railey2

Mahogany wrote:

Foxtrot wrote:

Mahogany if you're actually just gay for B1rd, admit it. I see that fucking username in your posts all the time
I'm gay for Masala though, b1rd is ew
You bring him up more than you bring up anything else. He's on your mind, day and night,

mmmh.....

oooohhhh~



SPOILER
''B1rd..'', Mahogany whispered, ''can you promise me that we will be together forever?''

''Yes, my sweet little boy,'' B1rd replied with a stern voice. ''We will be together, so i can tend to you every night.''
B1rd's voice started to quiver a bit, as the burning passion within him grew and grew...

Before he could say anything more, Mahogany wrapped his frail arms around him and started to nibble on his earlobe.
''mhhhhh~~~''

''W-what are you doing, Mahogany?'', B1rd cried out while blushing. Even after everything that happened between the two, B1rd still got flustered easily.

''Oh you know what i'm doing, cutie'', Mahogany responded playfully, as his hands made their way downwards towards B1rd's crotch.

''Oh my, would you look at that,'' Mahogany gasped in surprise. ''You're already THAT hard''

''mmmh, i can't help it, the things you say... the things you do to me always drive me crazy'', B1rd uttered under his breath

''You know it, bitch! Now lie down and take it!'', Mahogany commanded.

B1rd followed Mahogany's orders quickly and lied down at the usual spot, an old carpet on the floor.
Next to him, a sizeable stack of papers, which he printed out in advance as he would need to use them all.
Mahogany lowered his body onto B1rd's...




And so the two began a not so formal debate, as they always did.
Mahogany, sitting on B1rds abdomen while yelling profanities.
B1rd, throwing DinA4 papers at Mahogany, on which he printed various incredibly one-sided and biased ''news'' reports that he found on the internet.

They spent their evening in bliss, Mahogany cursing without even drawing breath, and B1rd throwing shitty sources around faster than anyone could read or care. Eventually they both got tired, went to bed, and fell asleep soundly.



The end.
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DaddyCoolVipper
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DaddyCoolVipper
Jesus christ I didn't need this erotic roleplay in my life
Railey2
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Joined February 2015
Railey2
´it has a twist
DaddyCoolVipper
342 posts
Joined July 2012
DaddyCoolVipper
okay i'll be honest that was a pretty good meme

i take it back
_handholding
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_handholding

Mahogany wrote:

Foxtrot wrote:

Mahogany if you're actually just gay for B1rd, admit it. I see that fucking username in your posts all the time
I'm gay for Masala though, b1rd is ew
I don't think I've seen you talk about Masala even once prior today

Railey2 wrote:

B1rd followed Mahoganies orders
Mahoganies
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Dawns
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Dawns
Off-Topic ERP is something I need more of.
Mahogany
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Mahogany
Holy shit Railey
This is top-level posting right here
I love it.

Kisses wrote:

I don't think I've seen you talk about Masala even once prior today
Its relatively recent ever since coldtooth was a jerk to me
Railey2
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Joined February 2015
Railey2

Kisses wrote:

Mahoganies
oh
Blitzfrog
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Joined March 2016
Blitzfrog

Railey2 wrote:

You bring him up more than you bring up anything else. He's on your mind, day and night,

mmmh.....

oooohhhh~



SPOILER
''B1rd..'', Mahogany whispered, ''can you promise me that we will be together forever?''

''Yes, my sweet little boy,'' B1rd replied with a stern voice. ''We will be together, so i can tend to you every night.''
B1rd's voice started to quiver a bit, as the burning passion within him grew and grew...

Before he could say anything more, Mahogany wrapped his frail arms around him and started to nibble on his earlobe.
''mhhhhh~~~''

''W-what are you doing, Mahogany?'', B1rd cried out while blushing. Even after everything that happened between the two, B1rd still got flustered easily.

''Oh you know what i'm doing, cutie'', Mahogany responded playfully, as his hands made their way downwards towards B1rd's crotch.

''Oh my, would you look at that,'' Mahogany gasped in surprise. ''You're already THAT hard''

''mmmh, i can't help it, the things you say... the things you do to me always drive me crazy'', B1rd uttered under his breath

''You know it, bitch! Now lie down and take it!'', Mahogany commanded.

B1rd followed Mahoganies orders quickly and lied down at the usual spot, an old carpet on the floor.
Next to him, a sizeable stack of papers, which he printed out in advance as he would need to use them all.
Mahogany lowered his body onto B1rd's...




And so the two began a not so formal debate, as they always did.
Mahogany, sitting on B1rds abdomen while yelling profanities.
B1rd, throwing DinA4 papers at Mahogany, on which he printed various incredibly one-sided and biased ''news'' reports that he found on the internet.

They spent their evening in bliss, Mahogany cursing without even drawing breath, and B1rd throwing shitty sources around faster than anyone could read or care. Eventually they both got tired, went to bed, and fell asleep soundly.



The end.
You just went full Allmynameistaken.

Never go full Allmynameistaken.
Endaris
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Endaris
the thing is that b1rd tries to derail every discussion to muslim terrorism
B1rd
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B1rd
If we're talking about terrorism, of course Muslim terrorism is going to come up. I was talking about free speech and anything about Islam was a side point. Vipper was the one to derail the discussion into one about Muslims by replying to a couple of my sentences with a full wall post. If this is a sensitive topic for you, I don't really care.
picky picky_old
picky picky_old

B1rd wrote:

If we're talking about terrorism, of course Muslim terrorism is going to come up. I was talking about free speech and anything about Islam was a side point. Vipper was the one to derail the discussion into one about Muslims by replying to a couple of my sentences with a full wall post. If this is a sensitive topic for you, I don't really care.
yet you care enough to write novels of text on this forum

in this thread





:thinking:
ColdTooth
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ColdTooth

Mahogany wrote:

Kisses wrote:

I don't think I've seen you talk about Masala even once prior today
Its relatively recent ever since coldtooth was a jerk to me
he pestered me first
B1rd
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B1rd

picky picky wrote:

yet you care enough to write novels of text on this forum

in this thread


:thinking:
I don't particularly care if people don't like the fact that sometimes I sometimes use this forum to talk about world issues and politics, rather than just shitpost all day. Maybe 6-7 paragraphs is a lot to some people, but compared to something like, say, a book, it's really not much.
Railey2
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Railey2

B1rd wrote:

I don't particularly care if people don't like the fact that I sometimes use this forum to talk about world issues and politics, rather than just shitpost all day.
Wait i thought the two were the same, why didn't anybody tell me
Razzy
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Joined January 2016
Razzy
From my now purely spectatorial viewpoint, I'm more willing to see these debates than Blitzfrog and his ilk spewing a bunch of nonsense.

I should bring that "fun fact" thread while I'm at it, too.
Dawns
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Dawns
They're certainly more entertaining than deez nuts on your chin.
Mahogany
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Mahogany

ColdTooth wrote:

he pestered me first
You were gay to me before I even discovered I was gay.
Blitzfrog
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Blitzfrog

Dawnsday wrote:

They're certainly moreless entertaining than deez nuts on your chin.
_handholding
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_handholding

Raspberriel wrote:

From my now purely spectatorial viewpoint, I'm more willing to see these debates than Blitzfrog and his ilk spewing a bunch of nonsense.

I should bring that "fun fact" thread while I'm at it, too.
If you can give me a tl;dr of the debates that are longer than 5 paragraphs a post that'd be great
ColdTooth
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Mahogany wrote:

ColdTooth wrote:

he pestered me first
You were gay to me before I even discovered I was gay.
the plague of gay spreads y'know
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