rEdo wrote:

By OT you mean Off-Topic?

rEdo wrote:

You have never explained why your vote on Dawnsday stayed on him, though

abraker wrote:

I just chose my vote at random on day 1 based on judgement on an avatar and remained on Dawn because his stupidity mislead everyone including me to vote for him.

rEdo wrote:

but Frostings himself pretty much answered your every doubt and you haven't properly replied to him ever since.

abraker wrote:

Frostings wrote:

People were questioning my vote and so I explained it after people already had votes on him for similar reasons that I had

I must have missed something. Who was questioning you?

beeboy123 wrote:

I said I wasn't a mason 16 posts into the game so I didn't really do what you were saying at all.
I mean I am pretty sure I said Dawnsday was town all of day 1 so I am not exactly sure what I fence sat on.
And all I have done this day phase was the vote counter claim and ask people questions. I don't see how voting a counter claim is scummy and I don't know why you are referring to bandwagons as a plural when I haven't voted anyone else.
Like literally nothing you said is true.

abraker wrote:

My vote remains unless somebody shows correlations, coincidence or evidence between actions and mafia and demonstrates the other choice(s) correlate, coincide, or are evident of actions and townies.

I don't move unless a strong force makes me move

abraker wrote:

Beeboy reads as town for me. Idk why a scum would want to fake a role to be questioned throughout the game later. That will be a handicap from the start. Also dawn claimed the fake role and turned town, so I can believe Beeboy is town despite the fake claim.

I always fear that scum can be good at acting. I tend to ignore statements "scum wouldn't do x" or "x is not something scum would do" because of this.

Sakura wrote:

My current main question is "Does anyone have any reason to believe Jess is town?"
I already got your opinions on Hika.

Hika wrote:

bboy + frosty
or bboy + Jess

are my corrected scumteam reads.

Just currently reading interactions thus far and hopefully soon, I can re-read thread!
I also have a doctor's appt around 4pm EST so pls bear with me guys! I think I have the flu ):

rEdo wrote:

rEdo wrote:

I see the scumteam in {Jess, beeboy, {Frostings | abraker}}. Jess is put in this set for complete safety, to be honest.

Let me corrent myself: {Jess, beeboy, {Hika | abraker}}. I just reminded myself of the fact that beeboy didn't even question Hika's counterclaim to me and voted me right off the bat.

rEdo wrote:

[*]beeboy. For some reason most people (myself included) assumed from the beginning of the game that beeboy is town. I've seen this happen way too many times (especially in the Hoenn Mafia) - a scum player posts nothing but accurate analysis at beginning of the day 1 and woo, he gets towncred for that. I have more reasons to believe he's scum than to believe he's town.[/list]
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Hika wrote:

Jess on L-1 right?
I can hammer if everyone's ready to end the day in a few hours.

B1rd wrote:

Also Sakura, do you actually think Hika is scum? Because if you have a strong case, that's all well and good. But if you're just going to relentlessly pursue a small chance that she's scum when most others don't think so, I feel like that's just gonna break up the cohesion of town, especially when you're one of the most conftown at the moment and could take a strong leading role in scumhunting.

abraker wrote:

abraker wrote:

must have missed something. Who was questioning you?

I never got an answer to this iirc

Frostings wrote:

Also I briefly skimmed over the posts again
When I townread abraker over his tryhard diagrams, in retrospect it could actually be an easy way to convince others to vote the wrong people if town is dumb like me

Sakura wrote:

I did something like that back on Sunday.
But all people said is that her "townslip" made it impossible for her to be scum.
At the top of that post also showed a potential "scumslip" in the form of CCing as Mafia Goon.

I'm not 100% sure on her being scum, if anything it's more like... 50-60%, what i do know is that players always do something for a reason, whether the reason is subconcious or concious could heavily lead to alignment relevant information, which is why i still wonder "why did she CC as VT, when there wasn't a VT on either of the row or the column".
The same could be said about her constant rejecting of PRs using their abilities on her, and her false meta call that was later invalidated anyway before anyone investigated it in depth.

Sakura wrote:

What do you think of my theory that she saw Mafia Goon on the vertical line and thought it'd counterclaim you? Makes more sense to me since there's no VT on either line.

abraker wrote:

rEdo wrote:

You have never explained why your vote on Dawnsday stayed on him, though

I just did?

abraker wrote:

I just chose my vote at random on day 1 based on judgement on an avatar and remained on Dawn because his stupidity mislead everyone including me to vote for him.

Or are you referring to me saying anything back then and not now?

beeboy123 wrote:

Ok so as scum Hika would basically have no reason to commit to a counter claim on your bullet proof.
It isn't like you are a full bullet proof or a cop with a doctor still alive (literally anything that would be worth dying to get lynched) scum could literally just kill you N2 if you are a bullet proof and there is nothing anyone could do about it so I just made the assumption that Hika was the town in the situation in addition to the fact she sort of sorted some kind of PR.

Was I correct, no but to say I didn't question it when in my mind there was literally nothing to question is kinda silly.

beeboy123 wrote:

I would argue my reads are more then just factual analysis but meh.

beeboy123 wrote:

vote: jess
anyway I said I would do this so ima do this.

rEdo wrote:

Unfortunately I have to agree with Sakura on the fact that Jess' alignment is something we literally can't solve in any other way than lynching her. Even though like literally 3 people (myself included) said she's about to flip town.

Sakura wrote:

What im interested in is knowing what makes you say she's gonna flip town.

rEdo wrote:

Sakura wrote:

What im interested in is knowing what makes you say she's gonna flip town.

That self-vote thing triggered me to thinking she's frustrated that we scumread her so she self-voted.

Sakura wrote:

Do you have reasons to believe she wouldnt do this as scum?

B1rd wrote:

While we do have time, why do you two have a town read on Frostings? I had a scum read on him before, and I haven't analysed frosty's recent posts, but him being scum is still a possibility IMO.

Sakura wrote:

B1rd wrote:

While we do have time, why do you two have a town read on Frostings? I had a scum read on him before, and I haven't analysed frosty's recent posts, but him being scum is still a possibility IMO.

Everything is always a possibility, I just think the chances are very unlikely. And my read on him comes entirely from Experience, specially coz i've been in his crosshairs several times in the past on games.

abraker wrote:

If Jess flips town, you are and Frosty will be in my watch list

abraker wrote:

To be clear, it's as if the subtle mentioning of "Frosty might be scum" sets off a "I know he's not from experience" trigger

B1rd wrote:

While we do have time, why do you two have a town read on Frostings? I had a scum read on him before, and I haven't analysed frosty's recent posts, but him being scum is still a possibility IMO.

Sakura wrote:

Literally the only reason for people to say she's town is

"OMG SHE SELF VOTED SHE'S SO TOTES FRUSTRATED AND TOWN"

I know the deal trust me, it's a strategy i used to use too, and no it shouldn't be encouraged.

abraker wrote:

"Subtle"

I will admit, you can now see how I can easily dismiss things as something lesser and prioritize things that are that align with the pile of coincidences I have found. To be clear though coincidence =/= fact, but it is my digging grounds for facts

Sakura wrote:

abraker wrote:

"Subtle"

I will admit, you can now see how I can easily dismiss things as something lesser and prioritize things that are that align with the pile of coincidences I have found. To be clear though coincidence =/= fact, but it is my digging grounds for facts

You're saying i went and said that he's town from experience at the lightest subtle suspicion.
But that's not true, I was asked a direct question.

Sakura wrote:

idk, i feel like he'd be like more lost and confused instead of straightforward if he was scum.

Frostings wrote:

Hello

I don't know if I'm reading this correctly, but it seems like abraker and B1rd are suspicious of me because they think I have some secret motive or psychology with my votes and reads, but I can't even understand your explanations for my actions let alone come up with them

Hika reminds me of Irre in I think the Tree house game where he acted like he had no idea what was going on. I don't really believe her when she says the setup is confusing, and since Dawn flipped town I think she's still pretty suspicious. The VT claim doesn't help at all.. It looks like she's trying to rack up town points by claiming early, when we already know everybody who's town is VT after rEdo's claim

Jess.. uhhh in the back of my mind I had a feeling she would lynch early. I should have unvoted to get a claim at least but she hammered earlier than I expected. Her action isn't really a tell, but I would be content with a PL to save us headache later

As for the others, I'll have to read the posts again, I just had a quick skim over all the posts

Frostings wrote:

So... Hika thought there was only one VT in the game? Even after Tracker got flipped?

... It's actually a pretty convincing townslip, how can you even make this up as scum

Frostings wrote:

I actually don't think Hika could make this up as scum
it doesn't really make sense to claim VT as scum on Day 1 and then push that onto Day 2 to try to "CC" a claimed BP in an open setup, especially after the Tracker flip

It's a pretty believable townslip, I'd be really really surprised if Hika flipped scum

Hika wrote:

He could be scum keeping me alive for WIFOM.

Sakura wrote:

Hika wrote:

He could be scum keeping me alive for WIFOM.

Is this really all you got to say about it?

Hika wrote:

I don't care if he defended me. Someone defending me does not make them automatically town in my eyes. their play is more important to me than me securing a townread in everyone else's reads.

Hika wrote:

He could be scum keeping me alive for WIFOM.

Hika wrote:

bboy + frosty
or bboy + Jess

are my corrected scumteam reads.

Hika wrote:

Eh, I'm not gonna question it because I'm town.
She was my scum read anyway lel