Frostings wrote:

Also I briefly skimmed over the posts again
When I townread abraker over his tryhard diagrams, in retrospect it could actually be an easy way to convince others to vote the wrong people if town is dumb like me

Sakura wrote:

I did something like that back on Sunday.
But all people said is that her "townslip" made it impossible for her to be scum.
At the top of that post also showed a potential "scumslip" in the form of CCing as Mafia Goon.

I'm not 100% sure on her being scum, if anything it's more like... 50-60%, what i do know is that players always do something for a reason, whether the reason is subconcious or concious could heavily lead to alignment relevant information, which is why i still wonder "why did she CC as VT, when there wasn't a VT on either of the row or the column".
The same could be said about her constant rejecting of PRs using their abilities on her, and her false meta call that was later invalidated anyway before anyone investigated it in depth.

Sakura wrote:

What do you think of my theory that she saw Mafia Goon on the vertical line and thought it'd counterclaim you? Makes more sense to me since there's no VT on either line.

abraker wrote:

rEdo wrote:

You have never explained why your vote on Dawnsday stayed on him, though

I just did?

abraker wrote:

I just chose my vote at random on day 1 based on judgement on an avatar and remained on Dawn because his stupidity mislead everyone including me to vote for him.

Or are you referring to me saying anything back then and not now?

beeboy123 wrote:

Ok so as scum Hika would basically have no reason to commit to a counter claim on your bullet proof.
It isn't like you are a full bullet proof or a cop with a doctor still alive (literally anything that would be worth dying to get lynched) scum could literally just kill you N2 if you are a bullet proof and there is nothing anyone could do about it so I just made the assumption that Hika was the town in the situation in addition to the fact she sort of sorted some kind of PR.

Was I correct, no but to say I didn't question it when in my mind there was literally nothing to question is kinda silly.

beeboy123 wrote:

I would argue my reads are more then just factual analysis but meh.

beeboy123 wrote:

vote: jess
anyway I said I would do this so ima do this.

rEdo wrote:

Unfortunately I have to agree with Sakura on the fact that Jess' alignment is something we literally can't solve in any other way than lynching her. Even though like literally 3 people (myself included) said she's about to flip town.

Sakura wrote:

What im interested in is knowing what makes you say she's gonna flip town.

rEdo wrote:

Sakura wrote:

What im interested in is knowing what makes you say she's gonna flip town.

That self-vote thing triggered me to thinking she's frustrated that we scumread her so she self-voted.

Sakura wrote:

Do you have reasons to believe she wouldnt do this as scum?

B1rd wrote:

While we do have time, why do you two have a town read on Frostings? I had a scum read on him before, and I haven't analysed frosty's recent posts, but him being scum is still a possibility IMO.

Sakura wrote:

B1rd wrote:

While we do have time, why do you two have a town read on Frostings? I had a scum read on him before, and I haven't analysed frosty's recent posts, but him being scum is still a possibility IMO.

Everything is always a possibility, I just think the chances are very unlikely. And my read on him comes entirely from Experience, specially coz i've been in his crosshairs several times in the past on games.

abraker wrote:

If Jess flips town, you are and Frosty will be in my watch list

abraker wrote:

To be clear, it's as if the subtle mentioning of "Frosty might be scum" sets off a "I know he's not from experience" trigger

B1rd wrote:

While we do have time, why do you two have a town read on Frostings? I had a scum read on him before, and I haven't analysed frosty's recent posts, but him being scum is still a possibility IMO.

Sakura wrote:

Literally the only reason for people to say she's town is

"OMG SHE SELF VOTED SHE'S SO TOTES FRUSTRATED AND TOWN"

I know the deal trust me, it's a strategy i used to use too, and no it shouldn't be encouraged.

abraker wrote:

"Subtle"

I will admit, you can now see how I can easily dismiss things as something lesser and prioritize things that are that align with the pile of coincidences I have found. To be clear though coincidence =/= fact, but it is my digging grounds for facts

Sakura wrote:

abraker wrote:

"Subtle"

I will admit, you can now see how I can easily dismiss things as something lesser and prioritize things that are that align with the pile of coincidences I have found. To be clear though coincidence =/= fact, but it is my digging grounds for facts

You're saying i went and said that he's town from experience at the lightest subtle suspicion.
But that's not true, I was asked a direct question.

Sakura wrote:

idk, i feel like he'd be like more lost and confused instead of straightforward if he was scum.

Frostings wrote:

Hello

I don't know if I'm reading this correctly, but it seems like abraker and B1rd are suspicious of me because they think I have some secret motive or psychology with my votes and reads, but I can't even understand your explanations for my actions let alone come up with them

Hika reminds me of Irre in I think the Tree house game where he acted like he had no idea what was going on. I don't really believe her when she says the setup is confusing, and since Dawn flipped town I think she's still pretty suspicious. The VT claim doesn't help at all.. It looks like she's trying to rack up town points by claiming early, when we already know everybody who's town is VT after rEdo's claim

Jess.. uhhh in the back of my mind I had a feeling she would lynch early. I should have unvoted to get a claim at least but she hammered earlier than I expected. Her action isn't really a tell, but I would be content with a PL to save us headache later

As for the others, I'll have to read the posts again, I just had a quick skim over all the posts

Frostings wrote:

So... Hika thought there was only one VT in the game? Even after Tracker got flipped?

... It's actually a pretty convincing townslip, how can you even make this up as scum

Frostings wrote:

I actually don't think Hika could make this up as scum
it doesn't really make sense to claim VT as scum on Day 1 and then push that onto Day 2 to try to "CC" a claimed BP in an open setup, especially after the Tracker flip

It's a pretty believable townslip, I'd be really really surprised if Hika flipped scum

Hika wrote:

He could be scum keeping me alive for WIFOM.

Sakura wrote:

Hika wrote:

He could be scum keeping me alive for WIFOM.

Is this really all you got to say about it?

Hika wrote:

I don't care if he defended me. Someone defending me does not make them automatically town in my eyes. their play is more important to me than me securing a townread in everyone else's reads.

Hika wrote:

He could be scum keeping me alive for WIFOM.

Hika wrote:

bboy + frosty
or bboy + Jess

are my corrected scumteam reads.

Hika wrote:

Eh, I'm not gonna question it because I'm town.
She was my scum read anyway lel

Hika wrote:

Sakura because she tried to defend frosty not being scum. Is that really a scumtell that you don't agree with somebody?
Bboy because I have no idea wtf he's on about.
Frosty because he's flopping his reads too much. This can be applied to Sakura too. How is he flopping? Provide examples.

Hika wrote:

abraker not on my list because he interrogated me D1 and I believe he doing his best to scumhunt. You seem to be agreeing with him on the Frostings scumread. You see, you said you believe he's doing his best. Shouldn't the same logic apply for Sakura's townread on Frosty?
Jess I'm willing to lynch bc she is anti town. Why would you lynch anti-town on top of scum?

rEdo wrote:

I'll let myself use the red color to respond to this.

Hika wrote:

Sakura because she tried to defend frosty not being scum. Is that really a scumtell that you don't agree with somebody?
Bboy because I have no idea wtf he's on about. Fine.
Frosty because he's flopping his reads too much. This can be applied to Sakura too. How is he flopping? Provide examples.

Hika wrote:

abraker not on my list because he interrogated me D1 and I believe he doing his best to scumhunt. You seem to be agreeing with him on the Frostings scumread. You see, you said you believe he's doing his best. Shouldn't the same logic apply for Sakura's townread on Frosty?
Jess I'm willing to lynch bc she is anti town. Why would you lynch anti-town on top of scum?

rEdo wrote:

Nobody hammers that shit before I wake up. I double dare you.

rEdo wrote:

I'll let myself use the red color to respond to this.

Hika wrote:

Sakura because she tried to defend frosty not being scum. Is that really a scumtell that you don't agree with somebody?
Bboy because I have no idea wtf he's on about. Fine.
Frosty because he's flopping his reads too much. This can be applied to Sakura too. How is he flopping? Provide examples.

Hika wrote:

abraker not on my list because he interrogated me D1 and I believe he doing his best to scumhunt. You seem to be agreeing with him on the Frostings scumread. You see, you said you believe he's doing his best. Shouldn't the same logic apply for Sakura's townread on Frosty?
Jess I'm willing to lynch bc she is anti town. Why would you lynch anti-town on top of scum?

Hika wrote:

He could be scum keeping me alive for WIFOM.

Hika wrote:

Because afaik, you just said on the last page that Frosty is town because GUT FEELING.

Sakura wrote:

Following your logic i should be scumreading every person that tried to defend you when i initially scumread you
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Hika wrote:

What do you not get about the WIFOM thing!!! If I am not lynched nor NK'd, people will think I am scum!

Hika wrote:

No bc no one is doing the same thing you are doing....