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Sakura
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I mean as far as i recall, she's done the self voting thing before, why wouldnt it become a scum tactic.

Now let's assume for the sake of argument that you're right and she's town.
What happens then if we mislynch today, even if scum dont pull a lynch on her at XyLo, im worried she'll vote wrong, i mean, she already did it D1 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
B1rd
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While we do have time, why do you two have a town read on Frostings? I had a scum read on him before, and I haven't analysed frosty's recent posts, but him being scum is still a possibility IMO.
Hika
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Dude frosty scum is soooo possible.
Sakura
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B1rd wrote:

While we do have time, why do you two have a town read on Frostings? I had a scum read on him before, and I haven't analysed frosty's recent posts, but him being scum is still a possibility IMO.
Everything is always a possibility, I just think the chances are very unlikely. And my read on him comes entirely from Experience, specially coz i've been in his crosshairs several times in the past on games.
Hika
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Also, it's just jess, Sakura. If she turns out town, whoops.
If not then okay; we will just figure something out.
Sakura
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Literally the only reason for people to say she's town is

"OMG SHE SELF VOTED SHE'S SO TOTES FRUSTRATED AND TOWN"

I know the deal trust me, it's a strategy i used to use too, and no it shouldn't be encouraged.
abraker
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Sakura wrote:

B1rd wrote:

While we do have time, why do you two have a town read on Frostings? I had a scum read on him before, and I haven't analysed frosty's recent posts, but him being scum is still a possibility IMO.
Everything is always a possibility, I just think the chances are very unlikely. And my read on him comes entirely from Experience, specially coz i've been in his crosshairs several times in the past on games.
Your defence of him including experience is starting to be a weak arguements for me. More the reason a fellow scum is protecting scum. Like you seem too defensive of him.
abraker
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If Jess flips town, you are and Frosty will be in my watch list
Sakura
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abraker wrote:

If Jess flips town, you are and Frosty will be in my watch list
We've been on your watch list for a while. What's new?
abraker
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To be clear, it's as if the subtle mentioning of "Frosty might be scum" sets off a "I know he's not from experience" trigger
abraker
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It's starting to wet off red flags for me
abraker
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*set
Sakura
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I mean i have a hard time explaining my townread on Frosty
Just like people have a hard time explaining why they think Jess will flip town from the self vote despite it being null at best.

Havent you ever heard about gut?
abraker
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I play gut only on first day when there is nothing to go by. I will need find something that doesn't exist if you want me to play by "gut".
Failure to explain something leads to suspicion
Sakura
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abraker wrote:

To be clear, it's as if the subtle mentioning of "Frosty might be scum" sets off a "I know he's not from experience" trigger
A subtle mentioning?
Is this subtle to you?:

B1rd wrote:

While we do have time, why do you two have a town read on Frostings? I had a scum read on him before, and I haven't analysed frosty's recent posts, but him being scum is still a possibility IMO.
B1rd
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Sure, but you're not going to impress anyone else with contradicting reads with your only reasoning being your "gut feeling".

Sakura wrote:

Literally the only reason for people to say she's town is

"OMG SHE SELF VOTED SHE'S SO TOTES FRUSTRATED AND TOWN"

I know the deal trust me, it's a strategy i used to use too, and no it shouldn't be encouraged.
Lol. I read that in the thread you linked and I was thinking of quoting it myself.
abraker
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"Subtle"

I will admit, you can now see how I can easily dismiss things as something lesser and prioritize things that are that align with the pile of coincidences I have found. To be clear though coincidence =/= fact, but it is my digging grounds for facts
Sakura
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My gut comes from direct play experience with Frosty, i can try and explain it but im not very good at explaining feelings.
Sakura
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abraker wrote:

"Subtle"

I will admit, you can now see how I can easily dismiss things as something lesser and prioritize things that are that align with the pile of coincidences I have found. To be clear though coincidence =/= fact, but it is my digging grounds for facts
You're saying i went and said that he's town from experience at the lightest subtle suspicion.
But that's not true, I was asked a direct question.
Hika
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Well I think frostings is actually scum from experience.

He's not pulling his "I know I'm town" strings like he usually does.
abraker
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Sakura wrote:

abraker wrote:

"Subtle"

I will admit, you can now see how I can easily dismiss things as something lesser and prioritize things that are that align with the pile of coincidences I have found. To be clear though coincidence =/= fact, but it is my digging grounds for facts
You're saying i went and said that he's town from experience at the lightest subtle suspicion.
But that's not true, I was asked a direct question.
My theory right now is Frosty+Sakura scum. My agenda right now is to find any coincidences that align with that theory and hopefully stumble upon a fact that may prove or disprove this theory.
Sakura
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Not exactly, Frosty hates playing as scum.
At game start the way he went after you and Dawn reminds me a lot of how he went after me in Madoka, and idk, i feel like he'd be like more lost and confused instead of straightforward if he was scum.
abraker
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I can buy lost and confused but you can act list and confused as scum as well.
As I said before I strictly ignore the "x wouldn't act like y" claims. Those are nothing to me unless you prove why "x would or would not act like y"
Sakura
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For starters he was the first one to mention you could be faking your confusion and then he also was the first one to mention you had townslipped instead, i find it hard to see him doing either of those 2 things as scum.
abraker
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Ahhh

Sakura please quote.
abraker
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idk who you are talking to
Frostings
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Sakura wrote:

idk, i feel like he'd be like more lost and confused instead of straightforward if he was scum.
Hey now... Usually I have a pretty good idea what's going on :)
At least I like to think that
Sakura
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I was talking to Hika but here are the relevant quotes:

Frostings wrote:

Hello :oops:

I don't know if I'm reading this correctly, but it seems like abraker and B1rd are suspicious of me because they think I have some secret motive or psychology with my votes and reads, but I can't even understand your explanations for my actions let alone come up with them :)

Hika reminds me of Irre in I think the Tree house game where he acted like he had no idea what was going on. I don't really believe her when she says the setup is confusing, and since Dawn flipped town I think she's still pretty suspicious. The VT claim doesn't help at all.. It looks like she's trying to rack up town points by claiming early, when we already know everybody who's town is VT after rEdo's claim

Jess.. uhhh in the back of my mind I had a feeling she would lynch early. I should have unvoted to get a claim at least but she hammered earlier than I expected. Her action isn't really a tell, but I would be content with a PL to save us headache later

As for the others, I'll have to read the posts again, I just had a quick skim over all the posts

Frostings wrote:

So... Hika thought there was only one VT in the game? Even after Tracker got flipped?

... It's actually a pretty convincing townslip, how can you even make this up as scum
Long story short i have a hard time seeing Frosty pulling this off as scum.
Same with his push on Dawnsday D1.
Hika
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He's still being a little confusing though. His post seem ambiguous and the way he's playing has to be alignment indicative.
Sakura
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I mean saying something like "I'm town" is way more fakeable than the way he approaches the game.
Sakura
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How can you even be using that as a meta tell.
Hika
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It's just a usual indicator for me that Frostings is town if:
1. Straightforward and doesn't change mindset, regardless of whole town perspective.
2. Always says "but I'm VT, but I'm VT" when he's town.

Number 1 always being the biggest indicator.
Sakura
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Frosty also just prevented Hika lynch after being on about her being scum since D1. What kind of scum does that (unless Hika's scum)
Hika
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He could be scum keeping me alive for WIFOM.
Sakura
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He also jumped in to defend Hika after my Wall post:

Frostings wrote:

I actually don't think Hika could make this up as scum
it doesn't really make sense to claim VT as scum on Day 1 and then push that onto Day 2 to try to "CC" a claimed BP in an open setup, especially after the Tracker flip

It's a pretty believable townslip, I'd be really really surprised if Hika flipped scum
If anything im more surprised Hika's scumreading him after this than if anyone else is.
Hika
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But I already stated that earlier on, I think.
That's why I claimed myself the first time around and made sure I did so scum wouldn't use me for that purpose.
Sakura
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Hika wrote:

He could be scum keeping me alive for WIFOM.
Is this really all you got to say about it?
Hika
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I don't care if he defended me. Someone defending me does not make them automatically town in my eyes. their play is more important to me than me securing a townread in everyone else's reads.
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Sakura wrote:

Hika wrote:

He could be scum keeping me alive for WIFOM.
Is this really all you got to say about it?
No, because you could be doing the same thing too.
I won't know until D3, if I'm alive or not lol
Sakura
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Hika wrote:

I don't care if he defended me. Someone defending me does not make them automatically town in my eyes. their play is more important to me than me securing a townread in everyone else's reads.
So basically you're implying that
Scum Frosty decided to ignore an open road to a mislynch that would make a towny look bad, in favor of WIFOM?
I really have a hard time believing that and it feels more like you're trying to scramble for reasons to lynch him, but hey, apparently your supposed townslip means i shouldn't pursue you anymore right? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm not even gonna be mad if i lose when you're scum at this point.
Hika
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Are you referring to him pushing a D1 lynch or D2 lynch?
Sakura
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D2
Hika
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Hold on, I'll reply to you after I reread his ISO because I'm not sure what you mean.
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+ I've been at the doctor for an hour and finally got a room wtf yay
Sakura
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The momment you posted this:

Hika wrote:

He could be scum keeping me alive for WIFOM.
You already revealed your true motives.
This post signifies 2 things
Either you're scum that is trying to scramble for reasons to scumread Frosty.
Or you're town so deep in confbias that you cant think of anything else of why he would be scum, but just WANT him to be scum.
Hika
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I think you might be looking too hard into it, actually
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Because afaik, you just said on the last page that Frosty is town because GUT FEELING.
Sakura
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Yeah and i explained where that gut feeling came from.
Sakura
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Too bad your little mislynch vanished into thin air huh
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Unvote
Vote: Hika
Literally dont care why everyone thinks she townslipped at this point.
She just went from looking for any reason to scumread Frosty to trying to discredit me.
This is scum.
rEdo
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Wow, that's bold. Sakura, she's been doing that to pretty much everyone who's been suspicious of her at slightest, as far as I have seen, ourselves included. Do you imply this is a bold scum move?
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You know what, I'll sheep Sakura on this.

Unvote
Vote: Hika
Hika
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Eh, I'm not gonna question it because I'm town.
She was my scum read anyway lel
rEdo
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Am I your scumread too?
Hika
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No you're not
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You're my conf townread
rEdo
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Hika wrote:

bboy + frosty
or bboy + Jess

are my corrected scumteam reads.

Hika wrote:

Eh, I'm not gonna question it because I'm town.
She was my scum read anyway lel
?????????????????????????????
rEdo
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Hika, who's scum?
Hika
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bboy frosty Sakura
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Why abraker isn't included on this list? Why do you want to lynch Jess?
Hika
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Sakura because she tried to defend frosty not being scum.
Bboy because I have no idea wtf he's on about.
Frosty because he's flopping his reads too much. This can be applied to Sakura too.
Hika
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abraker not on my list because he interrogated me D1 and I believe he doing his best to scumhunt.
Jess I'm willing to lynch bc she is anti town.
rEdo
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I'll let myself use the red color to respond to this.

Hika wrote:

Sakura because she tried to defend frosty not being scum. Is that really a scumtell that you don't agree with somebody?
Bboy because I have no idea wtf he's on about.
Frosty because he's flopping his reads too much. This can be applied to Sakura too. How is he flopping? Provide examples.

Hika wrote:

abraker not on my list because he interrogated me D1 and I believe he doing his best to scumhunt. You seem to be agreeing with him on the Frostings scumread. You see, you said you believe he's doing his best. Shouldn't the same logic apply for Sakura's townread on Frosty?
Jess I'm willing to lynch bc she is anti town. Why would you lynch anti-town on top of scum?
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rEdo wrote:

I'll let myself use the red color to respond to this.

Hika wrote:

Sakura because she tried to defend frosty not being scum. Is that really a scumtell that you don't agree with somebody?
Bboy because I have no idea wtf he's on about. Fine.
Frosty because he's flopping his reads too much. This can be applied to Sakura too. How is he flopping? Provide examples.

Hika wrote:

abraker not on my list because he interrogated me D1 and I believe he doing his best to scumhunt. You seem to be agreeing with him on the Frostings scumread. You see, you said you believe he's doing his best. Shouldn't the same logic apply for Sakura's townread on Frosty?
Jess I'm willing to lynch bc she is anti town. Why would you lynch anti-town on top of scum?
Formatting.
Hika
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I will gladly respond to this when I get on a computer, as quoting requires too much effort.
rEdo
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You're on a bus home? It's almost midnight here in Poland, and I've got classes at 12 AM. I guess I ain't responding to that overnight then.

Nobody hammers that shit before I wake up. I double dare you.

Good night.
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I would like you to give us a strong case on Sakura, too. I know it's asking for much, but I just want to know your POV as much as possible.
Hika
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I can do that.
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Also yes, I'm taking the train home at the moment so a reply in the next 2 hours is highly unlikely. A reply to a post that requires me to quote however.
B1rd
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Welp, seems it's gonna be a long day. I guess I'm gonna have to do a fair bit of reading to reevaluate my read on Hika.

rEdo wrote:

Nobody hammers that shit before I wake up. I double dare you.
I can just imagine, we get to L-1, Jess hammers, then we lynch Jess but it turns out she's town and we lose the game :lol:
Hika
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And that's why I didn't vote because she might hammer herself :p
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rEdo wrote:

I'll let myself use the red color to respond to this.

Hika wrote:

Sakura because she tried to defend frosty not being scum. Is that really a scumtell that you don't agree with somebody?
Bboy because I have no idea wtf he's on about. Fine.
Frosty because he's flopping his reads too much. This can be applied to Sakura too. How is he flopping? Provide examples.

Hika wrote:

abraker not on my list because he interrogated me D1 and I believe he doing his best to scumhunt. You seem to be agreeing with him on the Frostings scumread. You see, you said you believe he's doing his best. Shouldn't the same logic apply for Sakura's townread on Frosty?
Jess I'm willing to lynch bc she is anti town. Why would you lynch anti-town on top of scum?
1. It's not exactly a scum tell, but she's saying that I'm pulling the reasons why I'm reading him are incorrect. I'm not saying "oh because she doesn't agree with me, she's scum" but it's more so how hard she's trying to discredit me that makes me seem like she's his scum buddy or I'm probably just looking into it too ez. If she was scum then maybe she wouldn't out herself so much, but I personally think it's unusual because I don't recall a time that she's done this ever. And if she has done it, forgive me but why should it be THAT bad that I'm scum reading her? It's not like I'm asking everyone to vote her because she's scummy.

2. I personally think Frostings was flopping bc he was really intent on getting me lynched it looked like, D1. Then all of a sudden he comes to say I've "townslipped" and everyone hops aboard on that claim. I know I'm town of course but the fact that he did that caught me off guard because his usual town play would be to hunt me down all game. I could be wrong, ofc and thinking too hard into that too but that's my thought process on that. Now that I think about it, I probably dont have too much of a clear reason to be scumreading him due to the fact I feel as if I need to gather my reads more.

3. If Sakura wants to townread Frosty, be my guest. I'm not mad about it, it's just the fact she defended him so much that made me want to vote her.

4. Isn't Jess like L-1, L-2 or some shit? No one is gonna follow me if I'm like "hey let's vote bboy guys!!"
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Sakura
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Oh look the OMGUS read that i predicted like 20 pages ago.
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But there were reasons that led up to it, still think I'd rather vote Jess out tho!!!!
Sakura
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you generated an initial scumread on me when i made the case on you and was scumreading you, when i started thinking you prolly werent scum after rereading lovers mafia you changed back to not scumreading me, and now that im literally voting you, you're scumreading me again
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
And you'd rather lynch Jess over any of your 3 "scumreads"
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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nice emote

I'm pretty sure we all came to a consensus that we were voting Jess out?!
Otherwise if we're doing it that way, my voting would be bboy > frosty > you.

So calm down, you're still not my first choice
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You did make valid points here and there too. So you wouldn't even be a good lynch for me IMO.
I would only scum read you because you're trying to invalidate my scumread on frosty.
And you're protecting him but I guess scum wouldn't publicly do that...
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I didnt know town wasnt allowed to townread a person someone else was scumreading!
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I was asked for my reasons to townread Frosty and i explained them to the best of my ability
You on the other hand proceeded to discredit every single one of them by saying:

Hika wrote:

He could be scum keeping me alive for WIFOM.

Hika wrote:

Because afaik, you just said on the last page that Frosty is town because GUT FEELING.
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Following your logic i should be scumreading every person that tried to defend you when i initially scumread you
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Also I didn't realize that I couldn't scumread someone who was protecting one of my scumreads!!!!

What do you not get about the WIFOM thing!!! If I am not lynched nor NK'd, people will think I am scum! Do you not understand the context of WIFOM here? Same thing applies to Jess! If she isn't lynched, she will try to cover her ass and make excuses for the D1 hammer and if it keeps going, scum can use her as a shield!
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Sakura wrote:

Following your logic i should be scumreading every person that tried to defend you when i initially scumread you
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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also the first line is sarcasm the second paragraph is what I really think
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No bc no one is doing the same thing you are doing....
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Hika wrote:

What do you not get about the WIFOM thing!!! If I am not lynched nor NK'd, people will think I am scum!
This is a good one, why would you be NK'd over rEdo?
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Also yes, feel free to vote me. I am completely fine with that, however, we aren't going to do the same thing in terms of reads. We won't have the same reads either, so I don't see why what I've said confused you.
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Hika wrote:

No bc no one is doing the same thing you are doing....
They did, to the point of making me drop it, are you even reading the game?
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Also he'd be NK'd before me IMO
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alright, then if someone defends you with 4 different people then okay I'll stop reading you as scum okay?
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Hika wrote:

Also yes, feel free to vote me. I am completely fine with that, however, we aren't going to do the same thing in terms of reads. We won't have the same reads either, so I don't see why what I've said confused you.
Because what you said sounded like reaching.
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Reaching? Define reaching in context.
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Reaching i.e grapsing for straws, meaning since you're out of reasons you bring up whatever you can come up with in order to continue the read.
Also used for people that grasp as straws for finding a reason to scumread someone like "OMG they didnt reply within like 1 hour they are scum coz they are buying time"
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WIFOM is the globally used method to try to describe reasoning for why scum would do something when nothing else makes sense.
Your statement about Frosty doing what he did for WIFOM is the epitome of reaching because it's a perfectly universal explanation for anything and you cant find any other reasons to scumread him after my posts, so you take the easy way out. Which is why i mentioned it felt like A) You're scum trying to look for reasons to continue the push or B) You have confirmation bias, after which you tried to discredit me, and then proceeded to magically put me in your scumreads after my vote.

I'd say you're still salty about:

Sakura wrote:

Too bad your little mislynch vanished into thin air huh
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Sakura wrote:

Also used for people that grasp as straws for finding a reason to scumread someone like "OMG they didnt reply within like 1 hour they are scum coz they are buying time"
It's as credible as your "gut feeling" imo
Sakura
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Sakura
And here comes the knight to save the woman in distress.
Sakura
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Sakura
Completely ignoring everything that happened to boot.
Frostings
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Frostings
I feel like Hika is scumreading me, because I'm townreading Hika
and Sakura is townreading me because I'm townreading Sakura
Frostings
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Frostings
I'm trying to see this from Sakura's perspective, but her points against Hika aren't really as convincing as (at least what I believe is) Hika's townslip

Not to discredit Sakura's points because in a normal scenario I would agree, but my townread on Hika is pretty strong at this point, I can't really see it from the PoV of Hika being scum (also I should mention my townread on Hika isn't solely from her supposed slip alone)
Frostings
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Frostings
Just for everybody's interest
Every time I play with Hika I have a feeling from her general playstyle that she plays scummy which is why I always get suspicious of her early in the game, and she would always end up town. It's sort of the same pattern in this game. I think she's also suspicious of me for changing my read on her which I never do as town :) and I think it's acceptable

Reaching for reasons to scumread me just seem like she's flustered, and I don't really think it's a viable strategy for scum when Jess is on the table, unless it's a Hika/Jess team. Even so, someone already mentioned if Jess is scum, then her scumpartner is likely gonna let it happen, because they'd be standing out otherwise

An alternative could be me/Hika as a scumteam like Sakura mentioned, but that would actually be the worst scumteam ever. Hika would be hard bussing me drawing attention to herself while I would be hard protecting her, drawing attention to myself :)
Hika
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Hika

rEdo wrote:

I'll let myself use the red color to respond to this.

Hika wrote:

Sakura because she tried to defend frosty not being scum. Is that really a scumtell that you don't agree with somebody?
Bboy because I have no idea wtf he's on about. Fine.
Frosty because he's flopping his reads too much. This can be applied to Sakura too. How is he flopping? Provide examples.

Hika wrote:

abraker not on my list because he interrogated me D1 and I believe he doing his best to scumhunt. You seem to be agreeing with him on the Frostings scumread. You see, you said you believe he's doing his best. Shouldn't the same logic apply for Sakura's townread on Frosty?
Jess I'm willing to lynch bc she is anti town. Why would you lynch anti-town on top of scum?
1. It's not exactly a scum tell, but she's saying that I'm pulling the reasons why I'm reading him are incorrect. I'm not saying "oh because she doesn't agree with me, she's scum" but it's more so how hard she's trying to discredit me that makes me seem like she's his scum buddy or I'm probably just looking into it too ez. If she was scum then maybe she wouldn't out herself so much, but I personally think it's unusual because I don't recall a time that she's done this ever. And if she has done it, forgive me but why should it be THAT bad that I'm scum reading her? It's not like I'm asking everyone to vote her because she's scummy.

2. I personally think Frostings was flopping bc he was really intent on getting me lynched it looked like, D1. Then all of a sudden he comes to say I've "townslipped" and everyone hops aboard on that claim. I know I'm town of course but the fact that he did that caught me off guard because his usual town play would be to hunt me down all game. I could be wrong, ofc and thinking too hard into that too but that's my thought process on that. Now that I think about it, I probably dont have too much of a clear reason to be scumreading him due to the fact I feel as if I need to gather my reads more.

3. If Sakura wants to townread Frosty, be my guest. I'm not mad about it, it's just the fact she defended him so much that made me want to vote her.

4. Isn't Jess like L-1, L-2 or some shit? No one is gonna follow me if I'm like "hey let's vote bboy guys!!"
Hika
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Hika
also i typed that liek an hour ago and i accidentally added into my earlier post in the other page so technically I edited my page.

is that gonna warrant me a fucking modkill ):<
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