OK, I finished the new eyes for you, if you like these ones I can give a hi res transparent versions.
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Much better, but they're a bit too round. Try moving the upper part a bit to make them longer, anime-styled eyes are more rectangular.
Also, think you could add some eyebrows while you're at it?
Also, think you could add some eyebrows while you're at it?
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Going by what Loginer said in his previous post, I think he is after eyes that look similar to the character in awp's avatar.Loofah wrote:
OK, update on the eyes-
I'll send a hi res version when you want
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Yeah, although they're getting there.adamskii_uk wrote:
Going by what Loginer said in his previous post, I think he is after eyes that look similar to the character in awp's avatar.Loofah wrote:
OK, update on the eyes-
I'll send a hi res version when you want
soo..... you want lines on the inner side?
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Ok then, taht's the lines done.
any other little things that you want tweaked?
How about ideas on how to make the mouth?
any other little things that you want tweaked?
How about ideas on how to make the mouth?
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Yeah, that's what I'm after. Attached a pic; The left shape is what the eye is like ATM. The shape's supposed to be a mix between both of them.adamskii_uk wrote:
Just for the record, I'm NOT speaking on behalf of Loginer, this is just my own personal view on what he wants, going by the description he gave in his post, and by the fact that awp's avatar is pointing to the right eye (maybe a hint?).Loofah wrote:
soo..... you want lines on the inner side?
IMO, I think Loginer wants the eyes to be more a rectangular shape overall, your eyes still look a bit too rounded compared to the eyes in awp's avatar. If you just copy the shape of the eyes in awp's avatar, but create the eyes in your own style, then I think he will like it.
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adamskii_uk wrote:
LOL... that's more round than the previous version.Loofah wrote:
Ok then, taht's the lines done.
any other little things that you want tweaked?
How about ideas on how to make the mouth?
No need to cry. You're soooo close, you just need to fix the shape of the eyes.Loofah wrote:
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Look at the eye shape that's in the character below, and then look at the shape of the eyes that you have created. Your eyes look far too rounded in comparison. Just copy the EXACT shape of the eyes that's in the image below, but do all the eye shading, etc, in your style.
Alright then, THat means I need to completely remodle the eye, so expect an update in about 20 minutes.
Edit: OK, so it took a little longer than expected..... and looks on the most part the same...... but, I did make it a lot more squared off.
but personally I think the old one looked better
Edit: OK, so it took a little longer than expected..... and looks on the most part the same...... but, I did make it a lot more squared off.
but personally I think the old one looked better
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Much better. Do you have a higher-res version?Loofah wrote:
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Not to mention the eyes are not snapped to the grid correctly, and the overall spacing is a little tight. I can't rank this.
(Off-center a tad and could be placed a bit farther apart)
I suppose this is something for Loginer to deal with anyway, though. Posting mainly to show that I'm still watching this. ;x
(Off-center a tad and could be placed a bit farther apart)
I suppose this is something for Loginer to deal with anyway, though. Posting mainly to show that I'm still watching this. ;x
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Anyway, give me high-res versions of both attempts, and we'll vote for the version as soon as I provide some new renders.
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Loginer wrote:
Wow, that's huge. <_<
Anyway, I'll modify them a bit first.
Well when I said hi res I wasn't kidding
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OK, here they are. The eyebrows on the first set and the small part at the top of the second one is messed up, but ignore that.
The new eyes look a bit weird and tired, so I'll have to vote for the old ones. :/
The new eyes look a bit weird and tired, so I'll have to vote for the old ones. :/
I've been discussing it a bit with peppy, and like I mentioned earlier, the eyes look too weathered/aged/mature. Remember, she's only 15. Her eyes should look a bit more curious/excited...there isn't quite enough energy.
@Loginer: could you tweak the tuft of hair at the front to make it a bit wider? Just a bit~
@Loginer: could you tweak the tuft of hair at the front to make it a bit wider? Just a bit~
I'm not too sure but I think the eyes could be a bit thinner, and also closer to the middle of her face.
what's with the dip in the middel of the texture? and I think that like echo said, they should be a bit closer to the middle of her face. Maybe if I add some blush she'll look younger
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Sure, I'll do that later.awp wrote:
@Loginer: could you tweak the tuft of hair at the front to make it a bit wider? Just a bit~
That's also easy to do, but I'll just wait for Loofah to post some new eyes first. :/Echo wrote:
I'm not too sure but I think the eyes could be a bit thinner, and also closer to the middle of her face.
The actual model I have in Max is very, very low-poly. To make it a bit more round, I apply a modifier called Mesh Smooth, which pretty much multiplies the number of faces by four with each iteration. This can screw up texture coordinates. I could get around this by making the Mesh Smooth permanent, but the resulting model is much harder to edit, and some people are still not satisfied. It would also be much harder to rig the model, so I should probably try to find a way around it. <_<Loofah wrote:
what's with the dip in the middel of the texture?
Also, is there any way way to change the hair model into a flat one that can use a texture instead of it looking fleshy?
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That would look horrible. And it can use a texture, but do you really think that's necessary?Loofah wrote:
Also, is there any way way to change the hair model into a flat one that can use a texture instead of it looking fleshy?
Could you make a texture wrap around the whole surface of the hair cylinder?
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Yes.Loofah wrote:
Could you make a texture wrap around the whole surface of the hair cylinder?
I'd agree; the hair needs texture to prevent it from looking like playdough on her head.
I think the hair will look fine without a texture, as long as it's going to be cell shaded in Osu like in the pic below. But, if the mascot isn't going to be cell shaded, then I think the hair will need a texture added to it.
Would you like me to post the hi res hair textures I made? (They're 1000X1000) =3
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Go ahead. By the way, do you guys mean something like this when you're talking about hair textures?Loofah wrote:
Would you like me to post the hi res hair textures I made? (They're 1000X1000) =3
OK then, here they are
@Lolginer: yeah, something like that
@Loofah: Thanks for all the support on this. Is it convenient to tweak the colour of those textures at all? The pink has a bit too much...blue? to it? It looks a bit lavender or whatever colour I'm thinking of around there.
Here's a proper shot of the eye, btw, as nature intended:
I don't know if that hair texture just happens to be partially transparent or something and may translate really well onto the model.
@Loofah: Thanks for all the support on this. Is it convenient to tweak the colour of those textures at all? The pink has a bit too much...blue? to it? It looks a bit lavender or whatever colour I'm thinking of around there.
Here's a proper shot of the eye, btw, as nature intended:
I don't know if that hair texture just happens to be partially transparent or something and may translate really well onto the model.
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I like the style of the textures, but that's not going to work very well on the model. It has to be tilable, and the smaller it is, the better. You should also lose the part on the bottom and the white light shining on the middle of the texture.Loofah wrote:
OK then, here they are
*huge*
*huge*
Basically, just lines plz. :3
OK then, I'll post some new ones in a while then, and by tileable what do you mean? do I have to delete the dark parts?
He means that the texture will need to be seamless. The image will need to be created so that when it is placed next to itself horizontally and vertically, there will be no visible seams.Loofah wrote:
OK then, I'll post some new ones in a while then, and by tileable what do you mean? do I have to delete the dark parts?
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I can't use any transparency on the hair, since it has depth. The only way to get around it is by making the hair flat, but that wouldn't look right due to those damn stripes. This render should also display why fake specularity + textures = bad mix.Loofah wrote:
I can do horizontal easy.... but vertical would kind of make it looks a bit plain, I'll wait till loginer shows me how the texture is actually laid on until I post some new ones.
Finally, these textures are too big. 1000*1000 is on a dimension way beyond overkill, and since this texture is all about details, I can't just scale it in Photoshop. A tileable 100*100 or so texture should do the trick, though.
100x100....... easy, here they are
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They're not vertically tileable, and the details are waaaay to sma- Oh, you resized the original texture. <_<
Loginer, why not just cut the chunks you need out of the big textures? It'd only require a little photoshopping the edges to get them to tile properly.
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They're not vertically tileable, and the details are waaaay to sma- Oh, you resized the original texture. <_<
Well, I could make the details a bit larger if you want.
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Actually, you'd pretty much have to redo the edges. Might give it a go tomorrow unless Loofah posts something.LuigiHann wrote:
Loginer, why not just cut the chunks you need out of the big textures? It'd only require a little photoshopping the edges to get them to tile properly.
A bit won't do the trick, they have to be about as large as on the high-res version.Loofah wrote:
Loginer wrote:
They're not vertically tileable, and the details are waaaay to sma- Oh, you resized the original texture. <_<
Well, I could make the details a bit larger if you want.
OK, I made completely certain that these will tile exactly, I also made the detail a fair bit larger than my old atempts-
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I had to modify the color of the bottom texture, but other than that, they're great. They're still a bit large, but the face texture is even larger, anyway.
Give me something to work with already. Now I need to look at implementing the model in DirectX AND opengl. What a pain .
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Check your PMs for the password.
http://up.ppy.sh/files/pippitest.rar
http://up.ppy.sh/files/pippitest.rar
so are we still going to do a mouth? because I think unless it was animated that it wouldn't really look right.
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Yeah, but a closed mouth would look better than an open one in this case. Just make a neat-looking line, and we'll call it a day.
Until she starts to talk. Then I'll go through the trouble of adding a real mouth.
Until she starts to talk. Then I'll go through the trouble of adding a real mouth.
Still working on it.Loginer wrote:
Until she starts to talk. Then I'll go through the trouble of adding a real mouth.
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Not sure what you mean with layers. Something like bump mapping?awp wrote:
The way it wraps around the hair, it looks a bit like wood grain. Is there a way to layer the hair so it doesn't look as much like playdough? Or make it some kind of fur/hair material?
If I were an expert on this I could probably advise something specific a la modeling, but all I can say is that right now the hair doesn't exactly look like hair.
And there is a hair-and-fur modifier in 3ds, but it's not made for real-time rendering.
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awp wrote:
Bump-mapping might work. It looks like one solid piece right now (which might look good enough in a cartoon shader) when it should not be perfectly smooth (particularly in the black) - the strands at the top of the head do not reach her shoulders, only the lower roots will. That sorta thing.
Also, that angle shows some pretty useful information: her nose is pointy, and there's an absence of a bridge. It looks as if you can get away with flat eyes, but she could really use a bridge on her nose. Use yourself for reference as much as you need to...unless your nose is broken ;x
this probably can't reqally be done because of ow the model is set out, but I do think that the nose needs a bridge, that or not have qa nose at all.
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a nice improvement, approxamaetly how big will she be on screen?
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She will pretty much cover the entire screen heightwise.
3/4 to 4/5 please
Hair texture looks like wood grain.
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Especially when looked upon from far away. Looking at it up close doesn't have the same effect. So, you may see violently floating wood grain floors.Saturos wrote:
Hair texture looks like wood grain.
I'm irritated at the eyes. The "eyelash" sticking out to the sides bothers me.
I agree. Maybe the textures should be replaced with highlights instead...Saturos wrote:
Hair texture looks like wood grain.
or try making the textures a bit more straightened down .
well Longiner did say to copy the style of the original, so if you don't like it try one yourself and see if it looks better.YoshiKart wrote:
I'm irritated at the eyes. The "eyelash" sticking out to the sides bothers me.
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So as for the hair, new textures or pretending she's Pinocchio's sister? D:
You could make it layer down staight >.> I don't think it looks much like wood grain atm though. I'd love to retexture the whole model.
As for the eyes, I posted an image similar to the chibi model - hang on, I'll go dig the links up againawp wrote:
it looks a bit like wood grain.
http://up.ppy.sh/files/chibi-2.png
http://up.ppy.sh/files/pippisider-2.png
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Wouldn't that make it look exactly like wood grain? :/Loofah wrote:
You could make it layer down staight >.>
But other than that, what else could be done? Gloss, bump mapping, new textures, what would help?
Gloss is a step in the wrong direction. Make it look rougher, maybe. Might need to rely on the textures, but here's a thought:
for the pink bangs, make them thinner. Right now they're pretty circular like "O" but maybe they should be closer to "=". Might help.
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for the pink bangs, make them thinner. Right now they're pretty circular like "O" but maybe they should be closer to "=". Might help.
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I have made the bangs thinner (Although you really can't notice it from the front), and improved their mapping coordinates. I've also increased the contrast on the textures. How's this?
It looks better than it did before imo; how does it look from a more intended resolution?
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The face will be seen up close when you're about to fail, I assume, but anyway. Massive difference.
Looking good so far.
360 degrees shots pls?
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Well.. I guess that works I just wanted back/front/sides.
I just wanted back/front/sides.Belt buckle's a tad small and something about the shape of the upper torso doesn't quite sit right with me, but I can't pinpoint it. She might be a little too thin, as well.
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Yeah, they actually ARE longer than the gloves in my avatar. How the fuck did I screw that one up
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How about halfway up the forearm?
Well, her back is flat. I should probably fix that too. I don't think she's too thin, though; Making the torso thicker than the thigh would just look weird.awp wrote:
Belt buckle's a tad small and something about the shape of the upper torso doesn't quite sit right with me, but I can't pinpoint it. She might be a little too thin, as well.
No, like, depth thin. Like the end of Saw V thin. As if she were standing straight and her front and back were compressed together by a trash compactor sort of thin.
Re: gloves - they go about 3/4 of the forearm. One second...
http://up.ppy.sh/files/pippigloveexample.jpg - about that
Re: gloves - they go about 3/4 of the forearm. One second...
http://up.ppy.sh/files/pippigloveexample.jpg - about that
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Here's the latest version (Sorry for the delay, I blame the cold I caught). I don't know if I've fixed the flatness, but it's definitely better than the last one. Ignore the weird-looking shoes in the back view, I already fixed that problem.
Also, does anyone think stages would be a good idea?
Also, does anyone think stages would be a good idea?
Her thigh is about as thick as her calf. Calves could use a bit thinning down. Maybe even the thighs a bit, as well.
Also may I ask whats up with the shoes?
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Also may I ask whats up with the shoes?
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asking as well.Rolled wrote:
Also may I ask whats up with the shoes?
They look like rocket boosters or something imo.
The profile on the boots is too low. It just looks a bit like thick socks with platform-soles; it wouldn't take much to fix.Rolled wrote:
Also may I ask whats up with the shoes?
My biggest issue is with the eyes and the overall shape of the face. Given how flat it is (absence of cheekbones is one major player in this) the face looks almost alien, like those classic huge-black-eyed-bald-with-very-round-head type aliens. Seriously, the eyes are still a bit dark and not vibrant enough. Don't make me hotlink my avatar again >=(
I concur with this. I thought this was supposed to be a specific style you were aiming for Loginer, but apparently if someone is complaining about it I might as well too.awp wrote:
My biggest issue is with the eyes and the overall shape of the face. Given how flat it is (absence of cheekbones is one major player in this) the face looks almost alien, like those classic huge-black-eyed-bald-with-very-round-head type aliens. Seriously, the eyes are still a bit dark and not vibrant enough. Don't make me hotlink my avatar again >=(Rolled wrote:
Also may I ask whats up with the shoes?
Oh, and where's the ears...?
Nevertheless that's a really nice model you have.
Behind the hair, don't you see them?Starrodkirby86 wrote:
Oh, and where's the ears...?
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I've thinned the calves down slightly, and I've improved the boots.
I've also added some cheekbones. I'll improve them if necessary, but do they give the face more depth or not?
I've also added some cheekbones. I'll improve them if necessary, but do they give the face more depth or not?
Every little bit brings it closer and closer. That might be pronounced enough; it's a bit hard to tell from just one view, and with the texturing incomplete.
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Oh, don't misunderestimate me~LuigiHann wrote:
I think once you give her a mouth, she'll look like a person, and people won't nitpick the face as much.
Those boots are a pretty good example, actually. At first I was like "well, not quite" but then I looked at it again and went "oh yes".LuigiHann wrote:
As for the boots, the soles should be more solid; right now it looks like each boot is sitting on two discs. Something like this would look better, I think. http://www.whitesboots.com/assets/img/categories/boots.jpg
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If you mean the soles being too "round" at the bottom, I think I've solved the problem. Or is it something else?LuigiHann wrote:
As for the boots, the soles should be more solid; right now it looks like each boot is sitting on two discs.
And here's another face render. Guess I have to "focus" the cheekbones more.
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face is too triangular, flat and doesn't have much definition whatsoever, adding a mouth wont change those problems and people will still nitpick the face.
I'm about to just draw what I think would fix it since I'm terrible at describing. the hair also doesn't cover enough of the head. but i think you already mentioned that needed to be fixed. One immediate thing I noticed was the chin. In fact I think ill just bring up the original picture.
The chin doesn't start closing until below the eyes.
From what i've seen from more accomplished modelers is that they try to form the body right from a profile view, then they try to make it look correct from a side view and then clean it up.(but this process would require a profile pic and a side view pic)
I really hated making this post because I have next to 0 experience with 3D modeling.
I'm about to just draw what I think would fix it since I'm terrible at describing. the hair also doesn't cover enough of the head. but i think you already mentioned that needed to be fixed. One immediate thing I noticed was the chin. In fact I think ill just bring up the original picture.
The chin doesn't start closing until below the eyes.
From what i've seen from more accomplished modelers is that they try to form the body right from a profile view, then they try to make it look correct from a side view and then clean it up.(but this process would require a profile pic and a side view pic)
I really hated making this post because I have next to 0 experience with 3D modeling.
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Ah, now I get it. Should be easy to add.LuigiHann wrote:
You fixed one issue with the boots, but not the main problem I have. Hope this illustrates it a bit better.
Look at the bottom of any pair of shoes or boots. The sole is all one piece, even though it's thickest at the heel.
The face only looks like it's flat because of the lighting, and I'm working on the definition. I'll see what I can do with the chin, though. And yes, I know about modeling stuff that way, but no one was up for the job of drawing references back when I started modeling Pippi.lukewarmholiday wrote:
face is too triangular, flat and doesn't have much definition whatsoever, adding a mouth wont change those problems and people will still nitpick the face.
I'm about to just draw what I think would fix it since I'm terrible at describing. the hair also doesn't cover enough of the head. but i think you already mentioned that needed to be fixed. One immediate thing I noticed was the chin. In fact I think ill just bring up the original picture.
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The chin doesn't start closing until below the eyes.
From what i've seen from more accomplished modelers is that they try to form the body right from a profile view, then they try to make it look correct from a side view and then clean it up.(but this process would require a profile pic and a side view pic)
I really hated making this post because I have next to 0 experience with 3D modeling.
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