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What I'm saying is that the people who claim that trump won or that hillary lost because of memes, are ridiculous. Memes had nothing to do with it.B1rd wrote:
You obviously have zero grasp on the relevance internet has in our culture. This it isn't the early 2000s.
And saying that people saw Trump as a joke because of memes is ridiculous. The only people who think that were sjw who think pepe is a hate symbol of white supremacy.
Well tbh, a lot of people hate on Hillary without any reason either, they just follow the crowd like the sheep they are. It goes both ways.Jellyblob56 wrote:
exactly. Liking Hillary was a joke because the only people who supported her are people who don't know anything. They usually have no clue on what Hillary's or Trump's policies are. Same with the idiots who voted for Bernie. They just heard Trump was bad on the news so they went with it.EneT wrote:
-I'm a liberal so I have to vote for my political party!
-To become first female president
-So Trump doesn't become president
Those reasons are trash.
Simply put, the hate Hillary has garnered for the past 20 years was greater than the hate Trump got the past 2 years and Hillary had a piss poor campaign.
Trump is right on most of this lolMahogany wrote:
Trump isn't racisthah
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Donald Trump violated the civil rights act by refusing to rent homes to black people.
http://www.nytimes.com/times-insider/20 ... ald-trump/
http://new.www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/ ... 55553.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... lacks.html
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/ ... antic-city
Trump continued to refuse to rent homes to black people three years after Justice Department ruling on the matter sides against Trump.
http://www.nytimes.com/1978/03/07/archi ... -bias.html
http://www.nytimes.com/1983/10/16/reale ... wanted=all
Trump ordered blacks to leave casino floor whenever him or wife arrives on property.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/ ... antic-city
1991 book written by Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino President quotes Trump as saying:
“I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day… . I think the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.“
http://articles.philly.com/1991-05-10/n ... nald-trump
Trump built a casino in black majority city and breaks promise to mayor about hiring locals, refrains to hire the minorities and opting to staff the casino with almost exclusively all Caucasian employees.
http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/mon ... e-1.726389
Trump discriminated against Native-Americans as well.
http://www.courant.com/business/dan-haa ... olumn.html
Trump refuses to condemn violence against muslims and African-Americans committed by his supporters.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-e ... SKCN0WM0RJ
http://www.japantoday.com/category/worl ... is-rallies
Trump falsely claims 4 out of 5 white people who were victims of homicide were murdered by blacks.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... e-victims/
Trump believes that Mexicans are rapists by default.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... and-crime/
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This isn't even a full list.
It's pretty clear trump is very racist
I wouldn't say voting for the Democrat president to ensure 1-3 liberal Supreme Court justices (who serve for life for whatever reason) isn't a "trash" reason. Otherwise, this hits the nail on the head.EneT wrote:
A younger person would ask, 'Why and how?' Someone older would simply reply, 'Well, people just straight up hate Hillary.'Rilene wrote:
how did Trump got the most votes?
That's the simplest answer. Americans have hated Hillary ever since the 90s when she debuted as the first lady, appearing as a sort of feminist and making a horrible attempt at politics. Ever since then, she's done nothing to boost her reputation and done the exact opposite. If anything, hating Hillary is a bigger meme than Trump is so no idea what kids are saying. So when someone a whole country hates suddenly becomes a prime elect, that's when you know shit sucks. Even among the people that voted for Hillary, a lot of them were reluctant to because she never really brought anything good to the table.
Reasons to vote for Hillary:
-I'm a liberal so I have to vote for my political party!
-To become first female president
-So Trump doesn't become president
Those reasons are trash.
Simply put, the hate Hillary has garnered for the past 20 years was greater than the hate Trump got the past 2 years and Hillary had a piss poor campaign.
Congratulations, you're also racistJordan wrote:
Trump is right on most of this lol
Your the one who seems pathetic with your condescending ranting about people on 4chan. I thought you didn't insult people because of simple differences in opinion? Seems you have some issues.Railey2 wrote:
What I'm saying is that the people who claim that trump won or that hillary lost because of memes, are ridiculous. Memes had nothing to do with it.
Ted Cruz didn't lose because people started spamming that he is the zodiac Killer. Trump didn't win because people on 4chan were spamming "he's gonna build a wall and make mexico pay for it"-memes.
The largest part of the voting population doesn't even know what 4chan is, and yet they claim to be influential? The internet has relevance for a small part of the population, namely the people that spend more time online than they spend outside. For everyone else? They use the internet to communicate with their circle of friends and acquaintances of facebook, or use it to read newspages (which are mostly controlled by classical media companies). But opinions formed by reading newspages might as well be attributed to classical media, as "the internet" usually tries to separate itself from newspages or any form of modern/classical media as hard as it can. It's supposed to be decentralized after all.
Most of the people in legal voting age probably don't even know what pepe is, so how could someone possibly claim that anything spawned by 4chan has any semblance of importance in the real world? It doesn't. It's fucking irrelevant. And that's why I'm laughing at them, because they want to believe that they have impact soooo badly. Yes, most parts of the internet are irrelevant. Anonymous message boards where a bunch of degenerates circlejerk their meaningless opinions up are probably among the most irrelevant places online.
"Don't mess with the internet" is one of the most laughable catchphrases I've ever heard.
Eh, I'm pretty sure most Internet people are aware of that. But yeah, I'm pretty sure "How does your student debt feel, tell us in 3 emojis or less" or "Pokémon Go to the polls" or "things Hillary has in common with your abuela" didn't help. People can see right through the obvious levels of pandering.EneT wrote:
She reached out to millennials because out of everyone within voting age, they were the most likely to have little knowledge over the hate that's plagued her all these years. It shows on the internet considering people are more distracted by the Trump memes rather than Hillary.
I sincerely apologize that you disagree with meFaust wrote:
Someone tell me Mahogany is actually being ironic, please.
Congratulations you are retarded. It is a fact that if you take blacks as a whole they are lazy people, and it is also a fact (this one is backed up by statistics) that they commit a maaaaaaaaaaaassive portion of violent crime in America even taking into account they make up 13% of the US population.Mahogany wrote:
Congratulations, you're also racistJordan wrote:
Trump is right on most of this lol
Has it never occured to you anything relating to the black crime rate might have something to do with, oh, I don't know, their economic and educational situations?Jordan wrote:
Congratulations you are retarded. It is a fact that if you take blacks as a whole they are lazy people, and it is also a fact (this one is backed up by statistics) that they commit a maaaaaaaaaaaassive portion of violent crime in America even taking into account they make up 13% of the US population.
No to both. Everywhere in the world a high black population equals a high crime rate. Their educational situation is ALREADY put at unfair advantage (see affirmative action in the US) yet the gap remains large. Even the children of wealthy african american families (>$200,000 annual income) barely score higher in the SAT (i think it is 3 points lol) than the children of the poorest white families (<$10,000 annual income).Mahogany wrote:
Has it never occured to you anything relating to the black crime rate might have something to do with, oh, I don't know, their economic and educational situations?Jordan wrote:
Congratulations you are retarded. It is a fact that if you take blacks as a whole they are lazy people, and it is also a fact (this one is backed up by statistics) that they commit a maaaaaaaaaaaassive portion of violent crime in America even taking into account they make up 13% of the US population.
Have you not considered that the proper solution to the crime problem is to invest towards education, instead of promoting a racist agenda?
Assuming someone will commit more crimes purely due to their skin color is seriously fucking retarded, but I can't say I wouldn't expect that attitude.
most of the people that are on r/the_donald would have voted trump anyway. The number of people that were swayed by this echochamber of opinions is neglectable, making it's relevance neglectable as well.B1rd wrote:
Image boards affect a relatively small amount of the population but their effect on influencing people should not be underestimated. There are other facets of the internet like Reddit that are normie friendly and likely influenced a lot more people. /r/the_donald is very popular and frequently reaches the front page. It's unlikely that memes alone are responsible for Trumps win but who can say, it's hard to quantify such things. Maybe it tipped the balance just enough in a few swing states.
Gee that might have something to do with the fact that most black-majority countries have poor education and economic situations due to climate and colonialism and several other reasons.Jordan wrote:
Everywhere in the world a high black population equals a high crime rate.
Trump+His SupportersJordan wrote:
Also what the fuck is the racist agenda you're talking about.
how fucking racist can you even be lmfaoJordan wrote:
That argument is stupid, as the phenotypic difference between races is not only skin deep.
As you said, these things are too hard to measure for us to go far beyond opinion and conjecture.B1rd wrote:
I agree with the last part but your entire post before that is just opinion and conjecture.
That isn't racist, that's fact. Come on man, you're acting like a stereotypical leftist.Mahogany wrote:
how fucking racist can you even be lmfaoJordan wrote:
That argument is stupid, as the phenotypic difference between races is not only skin deep.
I'm sorry you're incapable of holding a forum about this but it's not like I could've expected any better from someone like youJordan wrote:
OY VEY!
I would love, for once, to see a successful country with mostly black people in it but I don't think it's ever going to happen. Africa is never going to fix itself as long as africans keep living in it.winber1 wrote:
Yet biologically, we are still the same species. Inter-racial intercourse still yields viable babies. You can't argue because they are "different" (brain, skeletal, and phsilogical differences, etc.) that that fully explains behavioral differences. The brain is not a simple thing, and no one has yet to understand it fully it. The learning process is highly dependent on its environment social and physical (including what they see and how people around them speak, act, and communicate), parenting (including how they interact with their children and the amount of the time they interact with them), and etc. Just stating that it is fact that black people and black countries are generally worse in academic tests and are in lower socio-economic levels is actually racist in itself as it does imply that they do not have the ability to achieve higher. Of course, outliers exist, but if we talk about the main population, there is much more than just giving them more money. If we truly wanted to give convincing evidence that there is truly a difference between the minds of black people and other races, you would literally have to raise them in nearly identical environments and introduce them to nearly identical people. The culture of black families are just drastically different than other races and even more so with all the media surrounding them, also generally making them feel "worse" than the rest of the people.
I agree, more money does not solve jack shit, but that also doesn't imply anything since there is much more to human intelligence then just having the opportunity to attend higher education.
holy why is everyone posting before me feelsbadman
I agree with German boy here. I don't visit either 4chan or Reddit so I find it hard to believe they would have a massive impact on the outcome of any vote.Railey2 wrote:
As you said, these things are too hard to measure for us to go far beyond opinion and conjecture.B1rd wrote:
I agree with the last part but your entire post before that is just opinion and conjecture.
I'm just looking at the average trump voter for the most part. The average trump voter doesn't give a shit about reddit. They care about their job, their children, and their "freedom". Look at what sort of people turned up at trump rallies. Watch him speak to an audience. This is why I don't think that 4chan or reddit or any of these pages were relevant in this election cycle. The vast majority of people just care about other things than browsing memes online.
the people that try to accredit Trump's success to any sort of message or image board online are just trying so hard to feel important from the sideline, and I personally find it hilarious to see.
All clearly traits that have a massive impact on life situation and social behaviour. Not.Jordan wrote:
Yeah, how racist can nature be to give sub-saharan africans prognathism, a wide nasal cavity, higher incidence of sickle cell disease, higher bone density, higher metabolic rate, shorter gestation periods, higher maturation rate, more free testosterone, a different skull shape, a higher ratio of fast twitch / slow twitch muscle and a thousand other typical traits that are only common in them.
OY VEY!
who dat. Anyways it's common knowledge that everyone in forums lurks ITT.Raspberriel wrote:
I didn't know Moon Man browsed this forum
this.Endaris wrote:
All clearly traits that have a massive impact on life situation and social behaviour. Not.Jordan wrote:
Yeah, how racist can nature be to give sub-saharan africans prognathism, a wide nasal cavity, higher incidence of sickle cell disease, higher bone density, higher metabolic rate, shorter gestation periods, higher maturation rate, more free testosterone, a different skull shape, a higher ratio of fast twitch / slow twitch muscle and a thousand other typical traits that are only common in them.
OY VEY!
it's absolutely mind-boggling how someone can reduce such a complex issue as "why Africa is less prosperous" to "lul it has black people".Jordan wrote:
I would love, for once, to see a successful country with mostly black people in it but I don't think it's ever going to happen. Africa is never going to fix itself as long as africans keep living in it.
It is completely illogical to assume that with thousands of years of phenotypic adaptation and change, various genes and brain structure would've also gone through change and adaptation, amirite?Endaris wrote:
All clearly traits that have a massive impact on life situation and social behaviour. Not.Jordan wrote:
Yeah, how racist can nature be to give sub-saharan africans prognathism, a wide nasal cavity, higher incidence of sickle cell disease, higher bone density, higher metabolic rate, shorter gestation periods, higher maturation rate, more free testosterone, a different skull shape, a higher ratio of fast twitch / slow twitch muscle and a thousand other typical traits that are only common in them.
OY VEY!