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wajinshu
Some nazi :d
~Hard~
00:28:910 (4,5) - A little overlap with the accuracy meter (if enabled) :d
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Underforest

wajinshu wrote:

Some nazi :d
~Hard~
00:28:910 (4,5) - A little overlap with the accuracy meter (if enabled) :d
I honestly don't think it's a problem tho :)
wajinshu
;w;
Gero
Hola, vengo de #modreqs.

General

  1. Es bastante innecesario tener dos Timing Points al inicio, ya que la única razón por la cual los haz añadido es debido a los cambios de SV en la ultima dificultad, esto se soluciona fácilmente con un Offset negativo.
    En este caso lo mas factible seria usar: -4985 para evitar que con el modo Nightcore suene de manera de-sincronizada, recuerda re-colocar todo de nuevo ya que con el cambio del Offset es probable que algunas lineas y notas queden Unsnapped. (Así que ya sabes que hacer).
  2. 00:08:260 - Que te parece añadir un Finish aquí en todas las dificultades para mantener la consistencia, ya que en el fondo se escucha un sonido de énfasis ademas de que la voz es bastante notable en este punto en especifico.
  3. 00:09:819 - Lo mismo.
  4. 00:00:662 - En realidad no me molestan en absoluto los sonidos Soft pero estoy bastante seguro de que estas notas sonarían mucho mejor con el Whistle Normal, así que podrías usar la herramienta Addtions para eso sin necesidad de cambiar a Sampleset Normal.
Easy

  1. 00:27:351 - En lo personal no es gran cosa, pero al parecer estas siguiendo el segundo sonido en esta parte cuando en la canción sucede lo contrario, ya que estas ignorando el sonido anterior lo cual puede ser un poco confuso para los jugadores no experimentados, así que me gustaría que intentaras algo como esto en su lugar. (Un cambio de patrón tampoco seria mala idea.)
Normal

Te recomiendo darle un resnap a esta dificultad debido a que hay dos sliders que están Unsnapped por 1 o 2 ms.

  1. 00:26:183 (5) - Se te olvido añadir un combo en este circulo, es la única dificultad la cual ignora completamente el cambio de estrofa.
Hard

  • 00:03:585 (3,4,5) - 00:06:702 (4,5,6) - 00:12:741 (2,3) - 00:16:053 (4,5,6) - 00:19:170 (4,5,6) - Te aconsejo reducir el Spacing de estas notas un poco debido a que no hay necesidad de resaltar o crear Mini-Jumps en una dificultad como esta, ademas de que es un poco incomodo de mover el Mouse por el cambio repentino entre esas notas.
Insane

  1. 00:01:149 - ¿Que te parece silenciar el final de este Slider? Suena mucho mejor con el volumen bajo en esta parte. (Volumen de 5% o 10% quedarían perfecto).
  2. 00:02:514 - Al revisar la dificultad varias veces me he percatado de que en algunas partes eres consistente al seguir las líricas pero en algunas no lo cual es un poco extraño ¿No lo crees? ¿Que opinas sobre usar este ritmo aquí?
  3. 00:25:793 (6) - Si escuchas con atención te daras cuenta que el sonido 1/6 sigue siendo constante despues de haberlo terminado un poco antes, así que te recomiendo aumentar una repetición mas a este Slider.
  4. 00:02:709 - Aquí esta siendo ignorada completamente la voz cuando 00:05:825 - en esta parte si fue asignada.
  5. 00:05:144 - De hecho en esta parte podrias añadir un Stream sin problema alguno, hay sonidos bastantes notables en 1/4 si escuchas con cuidado.
  6. 00:12:449 - Tal vez un triple encajaría perfecto aquí. (Creo que ya entendiste a lo que me refiero.)
  7. 00:10:598 (1,2,3,4,5) - Genial.
Me gustaría que revises con más detalle la ultima dificultad, hay muchos ritmos que son ignorados y otros que si son asignados, lo mismo sucede con tus patrones de NCs (Hay muchos patrones de 2 y algunos hasta 8). Y por obvias razones esto puede traer problemas a la hora de estar en la Qualified Section.

Llámame cuando hayas hecho los cambios necesarios.
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Underforest

Gero wrote:

Mod incoming.
great
-Taku
I heard a bubble
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Underforest
arregle todo el mod e hice lo posible para seguir el ritmo de las vocales, mas le subi el ar a 9 por los streams
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Underforest
Just posting about the offset for further BNs

Gero wrote:

In this case the offset can fit in -4985 so Nightcore Mod won't desynchronize.
_handholding
Insane
00:25:404 (1,2,3,4) - the pattern is very easily misreadable and the spacing reflect the rhythm at all
Topic Starter
Underforest
fixed
Mekki
[Easy]
  1. 00:09:820 (4,1) - Blanket could be improved here ;w;
  2. 00:12:157 (2) - This shape can be made softer if the first point were moved a bit to the left, something like that: http://puu.sh/rA0kG/ef05f1148e.jpg
  3. 00:27:352 (1,2) - Would feel so better if they were aligned in the grid symmetrically http://puu.sh/rA03q/0173d9db5c.jpg Apart from that, I feel that 00:29:495 (3) - would feel better as an 3/4 slider with/without a reverse, while with the reverse would probably break your consistency of finish the diff in the same spot while withotu would feel questionable as the gap to (4). It would get something like that and I am honestly not sure about it XD http://puu.sh/rA0el/4f9eea156f.jpg.
[Normal]
  1. 00:29:495 (1) - Same issue about the Easy, but on Normal, it can be made with no worries. I recommend you short this slider to 3/4 as it feels a pretty much weird rhythm ignoring that strong beat in the blue tick.
I am aware those are minor things but they make the map feel a bit better. Overall it is a good set, good luck with it!
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Underforest
fixed all except first point on easy
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Underforest
just saying that i changed hard ar from 7 to 7.5 as suggested gero in-game
map should be ready now
Hazu-
Revisa bien los hitsounds en 00:10:599 - No coinciden en Normal, Hard e Insane
/me hides
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Underforest

Hazu- wrote:

Revisa bien los hitsounds en 00:10:599 - No coinciden en Normal, Hard e Insane
/me hides
yo veo bien todo
Hazu-

Underforest wrote:

Hazu- wrote:

Revisa bien los hitsounds en 00:10:599 - No coinciden en Normal, Hard e Insane
/me hides
yo veo bien todo
Insane 00:10:891 - Hay whistle y finish
Normal 00:10:891 - Solo whistle
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Insane 00:11:476 - Hay whistle y finish
Hard y Normal 00:11:476 - Solo whistle
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Insane 00:11:768 - Hay whistle, finish y clap
Normal 00:11:768 - Hay whistle y finish

xd
Quizá se me pasó alguno mas, pero bueh
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Underforest
tal vez no actualizaste el mapa, reactualizalo
Gero
~ Bubbled ~
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Underforest

Gero wrote:

~ Bubbled ~
thanks
Iceskulls
general
the first slider on easy and normal are a bit noisy due to sliderslide sound , solution : add silent sliderslide for them

hard
00:23:066 (4) - you forget to nc , solution : nc

insane
00:02:417 (3,4) - flow weird and not structure like 00:05:534 (5,6) - etc , solution : move 00:02:612 (4) - to x144 y204
00:24:625 (1,2,3,4,1) - jumps is really large compare with others jumps in this diff , no need to make jumps this big to emphasis the intense of the instrument here it will just make thing unbalance , solution : decrease spacing

others diffs are fine , solution : don't do anything to others diffs

you finished reply to mods , solution : call me back
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Underforest
i fixed everything, solution : call you back
Iceskulls
ok

!soft-sliderslide2.wav is used on the first slider!
Topic Starter
Underforest
thanks c:
intiaz
congrats!
Agatsu
ggrats
IamKwaN
  1. バージョン should be romanised as Version, any other references?
  2. Why Kyoko Narumi? Surname should be Narumi.
  3. Why not MeniMeni ManiMani? As shown in p/5516651 .
Please explain the above, thank you.
Sonnyc
Normal.
  1. 00:21:508 (1,2) - The rhythms around here seem to be following vocals mostly as what I've understood. Leaving 00:21:800 in the slide and expressing 00:21:898 didn't felt natural accordingly, even there is a real beat over there. If you intended a transition of rhythm, then 00:21:898 could've been done along a hitsound to support the music. But actually I think there could be a better way to express the vocal lines better without creating some polarity issues.
Hard.
  1. 00:12:157 (1,2) - The beat of (2) feels pretty weak. Are you sure about this jump?
Topic Starter
Underforest
I actually was told to use unoffical romanization of both artist and title per Celsius request, so I decided to use his data as "correct"

Well, fixed metadata and Sonnyc mod (that was practically 2 issues only)
I'll just need this map disqualified to update and go for a requalify

#blamecelsius2k16
Iceskulls
  1. official romanised can't be found so i think バージョン can be romanised as ver. cus TVversion make it looks somewhat silly , that was all my assumption
  2. i didn't care about the surname name so that was my mistake , https://twitter.com/narumi_kyoko should be narumi kyoko tbh
  3. no space for menimenimanimani cus i stick with what said at the song list on album cover , not the album title
any suggestion is fine
im ready all the time

btw deleting soft-sliderslide2.wav is fine imo cus if you just use the normal sample for the first notes you can just use soft-sliderslide1 to silent the sliderslide
IamKwaN

CelsiusLK wrote:

  1. no space for menimenimanimani cus i stick with what said at the song list on album cover , not the album title
I wish you could point out where exactly the song list on album cover refers to.

CelsiusLK wrote:

  1. official romanised can't be found so i think バージョン can be romanised as ver. cus TVversion make it looks somewhat silly , that was all my assumption
Both TVver. and TVversion look dumb in my opinion. So, we normally do not romanise them without a space separating each other, like TVサイズ . And バージョン is not a particle, so first letter should be capitalized too.

Have to disqualify this first, though there is not any conclusion for the romanisation of the song title. You may fix want to Sonnyc's suggestions before we reach a consensus on the metadata.
Yuii-
Little mod

As suggested by Celsius, deleting soft-sliderslide2.wav would be nice. It's optional, though, as well... the hitsound is being used after all hahah, it's just that it does not make that much of a sense.

Easy

  1. 00:29:495 (2) - Fairly speaking, having two completely different sounds on the same object is not the best idea when it comes to mapping. I do get the idea of simplifying rhythms due to this being the lowest difficulty in the set, although I find it weird. Might just be, though, but using a different rhythm is recommended.
Normal

  1. 00:10:599 (1,2,3) - Clicking this perfectly can be a bit tricky for newbie players as you only use it once throughout the whole difficulty. I'd find it more suitable if you make (1) a repeat slider and then adding a circle on 00:11:378 - . I doubt someone will tell you anything about not mapping the other hit on the blue tick.
Hard

  1. 00:22:287 (2) - Really weird to see that being mapped as a 1/4 repeat slider when on the highest difficulty it's just a common 1/2 slider without any repeat. Taking the idea of the Insane wouldn't actually be bad and it'd make it consistent throughout the difficulties mentioned.

Insane

Would have preferred AR8 to be honest, but it's up to you! Right now it feels like it's a bit forced.

  1. 00:02:417 (3,4,1) - Mostly something personal, but the flow here seems a tad linear. As I stated, it's really personal, although here are some variations that will work a bit better and will add some emphasis/less clunkiness to the current pattern: one two. That's, of course, without changing the current placement of the following patterns, because you can do soooo many things with this haha.
  2. 00:03:781 (1,2,3,1) - Tip: Whenever you do a back-and-forth, try to make it according to the song. Right there, what would've made sense is stacking/overlapping 00:03:781 (1,3) - for vocals instead of the rhythm change on 00:03:976 (2,1) - . Also, now that we are in this pattern, visually speaking, 00:05:729 (6,1,2) - that flow is not that good. Why "visually", though? In a way it does affect gameplay, you know... players will most likely expect (2) to be on the top-right-side of the screen rather than linearly snapped to (6). Try placing (2) on x292 y34 (for example) and see the difference! Or even x429 y88.
  3. 00:05:534 (5,6,1) - This is linear as well, even more linear than the very first pattern I mentioned. Although, with the current placement I can only suggest you to place (1) on top of (5).
  4. 00:08:164 - Adding a circle there would fit both vocals and the little audible drum.
  5. 00:21:508 (1,2) - Since you hadn't really used any variation like this in the whole map (maybe I'm mistaken), it'd be cool to make (1) a 1/2 slider in order to avoid players from hitting 100s on (2).
  6. 00:29:495 (1,2,3) - Oh, minor, placing NCs on (2) and (3) might work to indicate they are no longer 1/2 patterns.
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Iceskulls

album title use space but here not


mmm so we should stick to the album title cus i assume it's more official ?
IamKwaN
Why isn't there a space between MeniMeni and ManiMani then xD?
I mean the spelling is correct but a space is missing.
Iceskulls
idk why the japanese tiltle メニメニマニマニ (TVバージョン) doesn't use the space but if the japanese title doesn't use space I would not use the space for romanised too to make them consistent
well if the romanised use space , should the japanese title use space too or ?

anyways what would be the best metadata to use ?
Doyak
Japanese doesn't have space character in their language from the start afaik. But we romanize it dividing each words with spaces.
Gero
Poke me for Qualify or Bubble if you need it.
IamKwaN

CelsiusLK wrote:

idk why the japanese tiltle メニメニマニマニ (TVバージョン) doesn't use the space but if the japanese title doesn't use space I would not use the space for romanised too to make them consistent
well if the romanised use space , should the japanese title use space too or ?

anyways what would be the best metadata to use ?
Japanese title shouldn't use space as shown by the first site I link below, and basically what Doyak said.
Romanised Title should have space because of this.

There are two sets of metadata which I find acceptable. Feel free to choose what you want, Underforest.
Unicode Title: メニメニマニマニ(TV ver.)
Romanised Title: MeniMeni ManiMani (TV ver.)
Unicode Artist: 高宮なすの(CV:鳴海杏子)
Romanised Artist: Takamiya Nasuno (CV:Narumi Kyoko)
Source: てーきゅう

Reference:
http://www.earthstar.jp/cd/d_cd/4562262282861.html
or
Unicode Title: メニメニマニマニ(TVバージョン)
Romanised Title: MeniMeni ManiMani (TV Version)
Unicode Artist: 高宮なすの(CV:鳴海杏子)
Romanised Artist: Takamiya Nasuno (CV:Narumi Kyoko)
Source: てーきゅう

Reference:
The picture Celsius linked in his metadata check post.
Good luck for requalification!
Topic Starter
Underforest
Woah, I was gone 2 days and got a full page of discussion
Thanks KwaN and the rest, I'll look into suggestions when I get back from US
Topic Starter
Underforest
fixed all (tried lol) and changed to kwan's second suggestion
Yuii-
Stuff we changed:

  1. First object on Easy since it started on a very weird angle.
  2. Hitsounds across difficulties for consistency.
  3. A pattern in Normal, rhythm was kind of vague.
  4. Couple of things on Insane, some distances to make it less overdone-y.
IRC
2016-10-17 22:20 Underforest: ACTION is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1076346 Takamiya Nasuno (CV:Narumi Kyoko) - MeniMeni ManiMani (TV Version)]
2016-10-17 22:20 Underforest: pues le heche un vistazo a tu mod y ya lo arregle
2016-10-17 22:20 Underforest: por si podias rechecarlo o algo
2016-10-17 22:21 Yuii-: Dale, lo hacemos ahora si te parece
2016-10-17 22:21 Yuii-: Así ya lo dejamos bubble
2016-10-17 22:21 Underforest: perfecto
2016-10-17 22:22 Yuii-: la fácil
2016-10-17 22:23 Yuii-: va nazi la cosa
2016-10-17 22:23 Yuii-: 00:00:664 (1) - ctrl+h, vuelve DS. sobre todo para no tener que empezar el mapa en una esquina, mientras más al centro, mejor. hablando de las dificultades bajas, claramente
2016-10-17 22:23 Underforest: listo
2016-10-17 22:24 Yuii-: 00:02:027 - hitsound?
2016-10-17 22:24 Underforest: ups
2016-10-17 22:25 Yuii-: la normal
2016-10-17 22:25 Yuii-: 00:10:599 (1,2) - hitsounding acá es medio malillo
2016-10-17 22:26 Underforest: 00:11:378 (2) - ¿te parece si lo deje solo en whistle?
2016-10-17 22:26 Yuii-: 00:05:924 (1) - 00:18:391 (1) - cuál de los 2 hitsounds va?
2016-10-17 22:26 Underforest: dejo*
2016-10-17 22:27 Underforest: ya los hice consistentes
2016-10-17 22:27 Yuii-: estoy intentando con variaciones
2016-10-17 22:27 Yuii-: y suenan todas un poco feas
2016-10-17 22:27 Yuii-: a ver qué hiciste en las otras diff
2016-10-17 22:28 Yuii-: ufff
2016-10-17 22:28 Yuii-: se complica
2016-10-17 22:28 Yuii-: porque el vocal está en 00:11:476 -
2016-10-17 22:29 Yuii-: quizás http://puu.sh/rMFmw/5d3fc64b9b.jpg ?
2016-10-17 22:30 Underforest: en que diff seria eso?
2016-10-17 22:30 Yuii-: normal
2016-10-17 22:31 Yuii-: 00:21:898 - whistle?
2016-10-17 22:31 Underforest: hecho
2016-10-17 22:33 Yuii-: la difícil
2016-10-17 22:34 Yuii-: 00:16:833 (1) - para que no sea taaaan recto el movimiento 00:16:053 (4,5,6) - que te parece bajar (6) un toque?
2016-10-17 22:34 Yuii-: yo tenía pensado algo así
2016-10-17 22:34 Yuii-: http://puu.sh/rMFEA/19f06382c9.jpg
2016-10-17 22:34 Yuii-: ah, por cierto, esto es tremendamente nazi, pero 00:16:248 (5) - está desalineado de (4,5,6)
2016-10-17 22:35 Yuii-: 00:05:924 (1) - 00:18:391 (1) - hitsound
2016-10-17 22:36 Underforest: listo
2016-10-17 22:36 Yuii-: insane
2016-10-17 22:37 Yuii-: no sé si soy yo, pero las dos primeras cosas no se arreglaron?
2016-10-17 22:39 Underforest: lo intente lol
2016-10-17 22:39 Underforest: arregle la primera pero por alguna razon no se guardo
2016-10-17 22:39 Yuii-: ah kek ajja
2016-10-17 22:39 Underforest: #blamefallback2x16
2016-10-17 22:40 Yuii-: un par de cosas más
2016-10-17 22:40 Yuii-: 00:29:495 (1,2,3) - eso es opcional, como quieras
2016-10-17 22:40 Yuii-: no estoy seguro si les querés dar NC o no
2016-10-17 22:41 Underforest: yo considero mejor que nc tbh
2016-10-17 22:41 Underforest: ya que son establecidos en blue ticks
2016-10-17 22:41 Yuii-: 00:21:508 (3,4) - medio difícil saber que esto es 3/4
2016-10-17 22:42 Yuii-: curvar (3) para abajo, estaría genial
2016-10-17 22:42 Underforest: 0ok
2016-10-17 22:43 Yuii-: also http://puu.sh/rMG51/af0b420dbd.jpg ?
2016-10-17 22:43 Yuii-: algo*
2016-10-17 22:43 Underforest: eso mismo hice
2016-10-17 22:44 Yuii-: 00:06:118 (2,3) - spacing quedó muy grande
2016-10-17 22:44 Yuii-: esto es todo!
2016-10-17 22:45 Yuii-: eso* ay
2016-10-17 22:45 Underforest: actualizado
2016-10-17 22:45 Underforest: si te sale que no esta submitted, re-dl
2016-10-17 22:45 Underforest: olvide cambiar el titulo unicode ayy
2016-10-17 22:46 Yuii-: ay ay
2016-10-17 22:46 Yuii-: dale update, dale
2016-10-17 22:46 Underforest: listo
2016-10-17 22:50 Yuii-: la difícil
2016-10-17 22:50 Yuii-: 00:21:118 (4,1) - se te fue de las manos el spacing o es intencional?
2016-10-17 22:51 Underforest: intencional
2016-10-17 22:52 Yuii-: la fácil
2016-10-17 22:52 Yuii-: 00:00:664 (1) -
2016-10-17 22:52 Yuii-: x
2016-10-17 22:52 Yuii-: d
2016-10-17 22:52 Underforest: ayy
2016-10-17 22:53 Yuii-: 00:18:391 (3) - esto debería ser whistle
2016-10-17 22:53 Underforest: ya arregle eso lol
2016-10-17 22:53 Underforest: seh
2016-10-17 22:53 Yuii-: update
2016-10-17 22:53 Yuii-: y no te rompo más las bolas B)
2016-10-17 22:53 Underforest: no me molesta lol
2016-10-17 22:54 Underforest: he sufrido dq mas peores
2016-10-17 22:54 Underforest: (ejemplo: hikaru nara xdd)
2016-10-17 22:54 Underforest: listo
2016-10-17 22:54 Yuii-: ah si venís con experiencia entonces no digo nada
2016-10-17 22:54 Yuii-: pasa que hay gente que es tipo
2016-10-17 22:54 Yuii-: "cuántos rechecks vas a hacer?"
2016-10-17 22:54 Yuii-: "193 les tiro"
2016-10-17 22:55 Yuii-: y se mueren con el perfil updateado cada 4 minutos porque les hago actualizar kek
2016-10-17 22:55 Underforest: LOL
2016-10-17 22:56 Yuii-: bubbled
2016-10-17 22:56 Underforest: ♥ ty

Re-bubbled!
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