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14:30 LeKhanhHoa: Ola!
14:30 Phyloukz: Hi!
14:30 LeKhanhHoa: About your map
14:31 Phyloukz: oh, i just saw your message
14:31 Phyloukz: yea :D
14:32 LeKhanhHoa: Before everything else, I just think that maybe you can replace the spinner inside the kial with slider?
14:33 Phyloukz: i thought about that but the slider'd be almost a whole measure long
14:33 LeKhanhHoa: Okay, your opinion.
14:33 LeKhanhHoa: 01:07:721 (1) -
14:34 LeKhanhHoa: Can you make this look more balance or sth?
14:34 Phyloukz: what do you mean by more balance?
14:35 LeKhanhHoa: How do I explain this?
14:35 LeKhanhHoa: One side is larger than the other?
14:36 Phyloukz: ah i get what u mean, but i dont think thats actually possible cause i blanket'd circle 5 and 6 with the slider
14:36 Phyloukz: and the slider is too long to make it balance
14:36 LeKhanhHoa: Maybe you're right
14:37 LeKhanhHoa: 00:37:175 (1,2,3,4) -
14:37 LeKhanhHoa: This section touches the HP bar. Maybe move it down a little?
14:38 Phyloukz: hmm.. i guess so
14:38 Phyloukz: i see if i can make it a bit down
14:38 LeKhanhHoa: Okay
14:40 LeKhanhHoa: That's pretty much I can find on Spirit Tree.
14:41 LeKhanhHoa: The Easy diff is very good.
14:41 LeKhanhHoa: 00:56:812 (1) -
14:41 LeKhanhHoa: But this looks kinda weird and unfitting
14:41 Phyloukz: thats true, in general i dont think overlaps fit pretty well in that map
14:42 Phyloukz: ill change that
14:43 LeKhanhHoa: So you are gonna change all of overlap?
14:43 Phyloukz: i guess yea
14:44 Phyloukz: they all dont fit really well
14:44 LeKhanhHoa: Okay
14:44 LeKhanhHoa: About the hitsound, what you're doing is perfect. Why you need me?
14:45 Phyloukz: i thought its kinda uncreative since im just using finish and whistles
14:45 LeKhanhHoa: That's pretty much all of the hitsound
14:47 LeKhanhHoa: Oh, if you try mixing between the whistles of Soft and Drum, it may sound better.
14:47 LeKhanhHoa: I just try it
14:48 Phyloukz: hm
14:51 LeKhanhHoa: What do you think?
14:52 Phyloukz: its sounds kinda confusing to me >.<
14:53 LeKhanhHoa: I kinda like though. Sound more diverse
14:53 LeKhanhHoa: 00:18:630 (3,4) -
14:54 LeKhanhHoa: If 3 was Soft and 4 was Drum, it sounds kinda cool
14:54 Phyloukz: 00:22:994 (4) - so put this to a drum whistle?
14:54 Phyloukz: okay
14:54 Phyloukz: 00:28:448 (1) - drum again?
14:54 Phyloukz: and keep that consistency?
14:55 LeKhanhHoa: Wait, what diff again :D
14:55 Phyloukz: spirit tree
14:55 Phyloukz: D:
14:56 LeKhanhHoa: I was on the wrong diff :D
14:56 Phyloukz: basically every 2 downbeats the change from soft to drum and reverse?
14:56 Phyloukz: oh wait
14:56 Phyloukz: that makes no sense
14:56 Phyloukz: forget that lmao
14:56 LeKhanhHoa: I was on Easy lol
14:56 Phyloukz: hmm i have problems to create consistency for that hitsounding
14:57 LeKhanhHoa: Actually
14:57 LeKhanhHoa: On Easy, you should go like this
14:57 LeKhanhHoa: 00:19:175 (4) - Drum
14:58 LeKhanhHoa: Repeated until 00:28:448 (4) -
14:58 LeKhanhHoa: 00:36:630 (3) - Drum again
14:58 Phyloukz: so drum at 00:23:539 (3,3) -
14:59 LeKhanhHoa: Uhm
14:59 LeKhanhHoa: Maybe you should do it and update it, so I can chek
14:59 LeKhanhHoa: check*
14:59 Phyloukz: okay, sec
15:00 Phyloukz: updated
15:01 LeKhanhHoa: Nicely done
15:02 LeKhanhHoa: You can always try any other combinations if you like. That's all
15:03 Phyloukz: okay, i think im gonna change that for spirit tree then too
15:03 LeKhanhHoa: Okay
15:03 LeKhanhHoa: Good luck on rank!
15:03 Phyloukz: Thanks :D
15:04 LeKhanhHoa: Also, when you're free, maybe you can check out my map, too
15:04 Phyloukz: sure just np it :>
15:04 *LeKhanhHoa is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1043289 Feint - Fall Away [Insane]]
15:06 Phyloukz: do you want IRC too or should i make forum post?
15:06 LeKhanhHoa: I kinda prefer IRC
15:07 Phyloukz: alright, have any time left i kinda want to do it now :D
15:07 LeKhanhHoa: I have like 2 hrs, if you need
15:07 Phyloukz: thats more than enough :D
15:07 LeKhanhHoa: :D
15:10 Phyloukz: 00:04:520 (1,2,3,5,1) - sounds like that deserve a better emphasis imo, so maybe increase the spacing for these notes especially for 00:04:519 (1,2) - an increase of spacing would fit nicely
15:11 Phyloukz: uhm are you sure about the timing in general?
15:11 LeKhanhHoa: Okay
15:11 Phyloukz: it looks kinda strange at first look
15:11 LeKhanhHoa: I know, but it feels fine to me
15:12 Phyloukz: but 01:09:002 - should be 100% a downbeat im pretty sure
15:12 Phyloukz: same for 01:31:071 -
15:12 Phyloukz: e.g.
15:13 LeKhanhHoa: At first, it was like this
15:13 LeKhanhHoa: 00:02:795 -
15:14 LeKhanhHoa: This is where the offset originally begin
15:14 Phyloukz: that looks better
15:14 LeKhanhHoa: But I push it down 2 beats
15:14 Phyloukz: push it down 4 beats
15:14 Phyloukz: to keep the downbeats on point
15:15 LeKhanhHoa: I don't know how tbh
15:15 Phyloukz: make the offset at 1.415
15:16 LeKhanhHoa: That was simple
15:16 Phyloukz: :D
15:17 Phyloukz: i see you use simple curved sliders really often, maybe you should try to add some variety in point of slider design
15:18 Phyloukz: 00:08:313 (1) - long sliders are easy to make different from the others, to make it more "exciting"
15:19 LeKhanhHoa: Ohh
15:19 LeKhanhHoa: I don't understand what you mean
15:19 Phyloukz: http://puu.sh/qlXa7/bbd5856eb1.jpg sliders like that fit pretty well in almost every situation and they look kinda neat
15:20 Phyloukz: 00:13:830 (1,2,3) - e.g. this, making only simple curved sliders isnt much of variety and excitement
15:21 LeKhanhHoa: Yeah, I kinda notice that too
15:21 Phyloukz: http://puu.sh/qlXiB/6619a19798.jpg
15:21 Phyloukz: also a nice slider imo
15:22 LeKhanhHoa: You really need to teach me how to draw this slider thingy
15:23 Phyloukz: basically try to add red anchors with a white beforew and after it, and just try to move them how you feel like
15:24 LeKhanhHoa: I 'll try sth
15:24 Phyloukz: then this http://puu.sh/qlXrj/51510c73f4.jpg for example
15:25 Phyloukz: and you can you the first curve (before the red anchor) as a blanket for another object that comes after
15:25 Phyloukz: so you get structure and pretty need patterns :D
15:25 LeKhanhHoa: Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh!
15:29 LeKhanhHoa: I kinda understand how.
15:29 Phyloukz: 00:16:589 (1,2,3) - for that section i would make 1/2 circles instead of the slider, since at slider 1 and 3 there's a sound which gets emphasized by the slider. doing a slider in between would destroy the emphasis imo
15:30 LeKhanhHoa: Ohhhh
15:30 LeKhanhHoa: Okay
15:30 Phyloukz: like you did with 00:19:348 (1,2,3) - 00:22:106 (1,2,3) - and so on...
15:31 LeKhanhHoa: 00:13:830 (1) -
15:31 LeKhanhHoa: Should this be changed too?
15:31 Phyloukz: into what?
15:32 LeKhanhHoa: 1/2 circles
15:32 Phyloukz: i think a slider fits here well
15:32 Phyloukz: since its also a downbeat
15:32 Phyloukz: and a slider on a downbeat is in most of the cases not a mistake
15:33 LeKhanhHoa: I think I will change 00:16:589 (1) - and 00:22:106 (1) -
15:34 Phyloukz: slider are fine at thesew spots imo
15:34 Phyloukz: they fit really well
15:35 LeKhanhHoa: So, all sliders?
15:35 Phyloukz: all 1/1 sliders in that section are fine
15:36 Phyloukz: except of that one i already mentioned
15:36 LeKhanhHoa: Okay.
15:37 LeKhanhHoa: Maybe I should make that sliders too so it's the same like all other parts?
15:37 Phyloukz: well its not the same sound in the music
15:37 Phyloukz: 00:16:589 (1,2,3) - is different from the others
15:38 Phyloukz: thats why i suggested to make instead of slider (2) 1/2 circles
15:38 LeKhanhHoa: Oh, you want to change only the slider 2?
15:38 Phyloukz: yea :D
15:38 LeKhanhHoa: I thought you want the entire section
15:39 Phyloukz: since on slider (1) and (3) theres >the< sound which gets emphasized by the sliders
15:39 Phyloukz: but not on (2)
15:40 LeKhanhHoa: Ok, it kinda gets confusing. Note me what sliders need to change
15:40 Phyloukz: every slider's fine on the timeline except of that slider (2) :D
15:41 Phyloukz: for 00:13:830 - to 00:24:864 -
15:42 Phyloukz: 00:26:072 (6,1) - 00:27:451 (6,1) - 00:28:830 (6,1) - and so on... these objects should be stacked to fit better to the music
15:42 LeKhanhHoa: Uhhh okay
15:42 Phyloukz: also consider repositioning the jumps before those, since they look pretty random to me (try using DS)
15:43 LeKhanhHoa: But I want it too be random :P
15:45 Phyloukz: hmm.. give this a try maybe: 00:24:865 (1,2,3) - make DS 1.3x and 00:25:554 (3,4,5,6) - DS 2.0x
15:46 Phyloukz: i think that fits very very well to the music since at note (3) it gets a bit more intense so the higher spacing would make sense
15:46 Phyloukz: just a suggestion :>
15:46 LeKhanhHoa: Okay, but I like other numbers.
15:46 LeKhanhHoa: :P
15:47 Phyloukz: you mean DS?
15:47 LeKhanhHoa: Yas
15:47 Phyloukz: yeah its just about the spacing increase
15:47 Phyloukz: how much is your thing :D
15:47 LeKhanhHoa: IDK :D
15:48 LeKhanhHoa: Also, the other parts you mention
15:49 LeKhanhHoa: I think slider 2 can be a repeated slider, so it will still keep the beat
15:49 Phyloukz: oh you mean for 00:16:589 (1,2,3) - that part?
15:50 LeKhanhHoa: Yes
15:50 Phyloukz: yeah that fits also pretty good
15:50 LeKhanhHoa: Okay. What else?
15:51 Phyloukz: 00:38:485 (5,1) - 00:41:244 (5,1) - for example they dont flow pretty well, consider adjusting the slider curve so your cursor gets "into the slider" the most pleasant way
15:52 Phyloukz: http://puu.sh/qlYRJ/763a453c7e.jpg
15:52 Phyloukz: just rotate a little bit and it flows better
15:52 Phyloukz: same for 00:42:623 (5,1) -
15:53 Phyloukz: http://puu.sh/qlYWo/b15fc879af.jpg
15:53 Phyloukz: i hope you get what i mean :v
15:53 LeKhanhHoa: Yes
15:54 LeKhanhHoa: I'm really bad at this since I don't have a tablet
15:55 Phyloukz: circular and curved flows are always the most pleasant ones
15:56 Phyloukz: circle -> slider should in most of the cases be a very pleasant flow
15:57 Phyloukz: same for slider -> circle actually
15:57 LeKhanhHoa: Okay.
15:57 Phyloukz: 01:08:830 (2,1) -
15:57 Phyloukz: i thinkj you see my problem here now! :D
15:57 LeKhanhHoa: Yes
15:59 Phyloukz: 01:32:451 (1) - this reverse slider looks kinda apart from everything
16:00 LeKhanhHoa: What do you mean?
16:00 Phyloukz: make the section before 01:32:106 (1) - less spaced and the section after 01:32:106 (1) - more spaced (add 1/2 circles instead of the reverse slider) since the music gets more intense
16:00 Phyloukz: well at that point the music is really intense and a reverse 1/2 slider doesnt fit at all imo
16:01 LeKhanhHoa: Maybe you're right
16:01 Phyloukz: 1/2 spaced circle spamming is better ithink
16:02 Phyloukz: 01:32:968 (2,3,4,5) - that part is really neat in object placing
16:02 Phyloukz: fits very nice :D
16:02 LeKhanhHoa: I knew, I'm proud of myself too :D
16:03 Phyloukz: hmm 01:37:968 (1) - heres the same thing as above
16:03 Phyloukz: at 01:37:623 (1) - it gets more intense, same part in the music as before
16:04 LeKhanhHoa: Okay
16:04 Phyloukz: well there are more of em, you get what i mean i think :D
16:04 LeKhanhHoa: Yes
16:04 LeKhanhHoa: So wait
16:04 LeKhanhHoa: 01:31:072 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - DS increase
16:05 LeKhanhHoa: 01:33:830 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - DS decrease
16:05 LeKhanhHoa: The same for the rest
16:05 Phyloukz: hold on which offset do you have? did you already fix it?
16:06 LeKhanhHoa: Yes
16:06 LeKhanhHoa: Just not update yet
16:06 Phyloukz: its 1.415 right?
16:06 Phyloukz: so i definetly know which parts you meean :D
16:06 LeKhanhHoa: Yes
16:07 Phyloukz: 01:31:072 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - DS lower
16:07 Phyloukz: 01:32:106 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5) - DS higher
16:07 Phyloukz: 01:33:830 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - DS lower
16:07 Phyloukz: 01:34:865 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5) - DS a bit higher not as much as above
16:08 Phyloukz: now its repeating:
16:08 Phyloukz: 01:36:589 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - DS lower
16:08 Phyloukz: 01:37:623 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5) - DS higher
16:08 Phyloukz: and so on
16:08 LeKhanhHoa: Can I switch places? Like 01:33:828 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - DS higher and 01:34:863 (1,2,1) - DS lower
16:10 Phyloukz: those two parts are pretty much the same you can make equal DS there. But not for 01:36:589 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,5) -
16:10 Phyloukz: there has to be a DS change imo
16:10 Phyloukz: like
16:10 LeKhanhHoa: Wait me a minute.
16:10 LeKhanhHoa: The offset somehow mess up all the slider and timing point.
16:11 Phyloukz: 01:33:830 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,5) - and 01:36:589 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,5) - are alternately
16:11 Phyloukz: yep you have to adjust it :/
16:11 Phyloukz: espeically the green timing points for sure
16:11 LeKhanhHoa: This is gonna take a while ^^
16:12 Phyloukz: well I hope i could help you
16:12 Phyloukz: thats everything i have at my first look
16:12 LeKhanhHoa: Yes, thanks very much.
16:12 LeKhanhHoa: Post it on the forum if you want kds
16:13 Phyloukz: gonna do that :>