Side wrote:

Tengaku woOOoOoOooOoo


[EX]

00:28:758 (7,8) - Not sure what the rhythm to using this DS is. At first I thought it was gonna be cuz of 00:14:536 (7,8) - that chopsticks whatever sound and also maybe during parts where the intensity rises slightly like 00:19:313 (5,6,7) - but then at 00:28:758 (7,8) - it doesn't really meet these similar requirements. Like sure there's a bit more emphasis at 00:28:869 - but that can be said about pretty much all of the last sounds of the 5s streams and not all of them do it so....yeah. idk man. Or maybe I'm missing something but if I'm not then make this consistent. After all that's what this whole map is pretty much banking on. - not all of them do it due to 1/8 sliders or changes into 1/6. If I missed something, please let me know

00:43:313 (8,9,10,1) - WOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! 1/6 quads that AREN'T SIMPLIFIED to 1/4 triplessss!!!!!!

01:26:869 (1) - Mute the slider end (or at least halve the volume for dat note cuz cool effectz - sliderend is also hitting a note so muting or lowering the volume is not an option

02:31:869 (6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Very slight distance snap increase would be cool kinda like the one you did here 02:02:647 - made it more spaced instead

02:48:647 (3,4,5,6) - Just wanna let you know this plays like butt and you suck for doing it but it's just cuz I suck at this kinda alternating - this is presented everywhere in the map, by now you should be expecting this anyways


[Insane]

The consistency things mentioned in the EX also apply here. Also in THIS diff unlike in the EX 00:28:758 (7,8) - thse don't have that emphasis but I think you still kinda tried to do it cuz 00:21:313 (3,4,5,6,7) - 00:14:202 (3,4,5,6,7) - etc. the snap to (7) uses .6x unlike the rest using .5x so idk if ur still trying to do that here or wat but again make it consistent in all those sounds and not just some. Also as a note obv you don't have to do them for ALL of them within reason such as 00:23:313 (9,10,11) - cuz kick slider or on the triples (though you could) - all those minuscule changes are to accommodate for stacks. Turn on stacking in editor and you might see why they're like that

00:43:313 (8,9,10,1) - again thank you for doing this

00:55:980 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - I wouldn't hate you for making the DS on these increase slightly per triple

Rest looks fine. Apply any related suggestions from EX to the other diffs if applicable.

Good luck! :v

Xilver wrote:

hey

general:

inconsistent widescreen support with EX diff

[EX]

00:17:313 (1,1) - weird nc patterns compared to your previous ones
00:27:091 (1) - i think you should just not nc this to be consistent with your long ncs from before
00:27:758 - there's definitely a note here, you should map this instead of making it a double - its a bit hard to hear. Not going to map these notes to as its a bit of a calmer part overall
00:28:202 - here too - ^
00:29:536 - here too - ^
00:29:980 - here too - ^
00:30:869 (9,10,11,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,1) - so i think you were asking me about that pattern a while ago, i think removing the stream jump from 00:31:424 (4) - to 00:31:536 (1) - will make this pattern much easier to play. if you apply this then apply it to all the other patterns - A lot of this section is based around 1/4 jumpstreams and sudden rhythm changes. No change
00:33:758 (5,1) - i think the NC should start on 5 and removed on 1, makes more sense musically
00:36:424 (1,4) - overmapped, these should just be circles
00:39:536 (5) - i recommend buffering this slider - what is buffering?
00:44:647 (1,2,3,4) - this isn't 1/6, it's 1/4 according to the song
00:45:091 (5,6,7,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5) - ok so i see you didn't make a stream jump to the first 1/3 in this one so i think you should get rid of the stream jump in the previous section where you used that pattern - context is important, theres no need for a jumpstream since its simply just 1/4's stringing into 1/3's.
00:48:276 (3,4,5) - overmapped, delete 4
00:52:424 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - you should probably match this ncing pattern to the previous 1/3 sections where you nc'd every 3 notes
00:53:758 (11,12,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - ^
00:55:980 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - especially since you did it here for some reason. - its the most emphasized part. It's also the only part where i have jumps split into 3 each time. This is to help with reading
01:03:091 (4,5,6) - i feel like you could reduce 4 down to the red/blue tick and make 01:04:424 - clickable by turning it into a triple for better emphasis - ended 1/2 earlier instead
01:09:313 (2) - flute follows a different melody here compared to 01:08:424 (1) - so maybe you could try something else instead of just one slider
01:37:536 (3,4,5) - messed up a stack here (i think, hopefully)
01:42:758 (3,4,5) - i feel like ctrl-g on 4 and 5 (and moving 3 accordingly) will flow better, if you apply this then apply it to all other instanced where you used it - A lot of this map is tight movement from here on out so having this not flow is intentional. Also the movement from object 2 to 3 wouldn't be consistent with the slider patterns before
01:59:091 (5,6,7,8,9) - plays kinda weird when the distance isn't the same between all 3 parts, consider making them the same?
02:11:980 (5,6,7,8) - uneven distance compared to 02:08:425 (5,6,7,8) - , should be 3.42x between 6 and 7 for both - removed jumpstream instead due to no strong notes on the 1/2's
02:32:869 (9,10) - maybe turn these into 1/8th sliders? sakuzyo uses this sound a lot in his songs and all mappers who mapped this sound mapped it like a 1/8th kick slider - It's a single sound and the song only uses this note 6 times in the song. It would be unfitting to the rest of the map and also annoying to place in 1/8 sliders here
02:34:424 (3,7) - consider changing these to 2 circles to be consistent with the next parts which used 2 circles for almost all of them - its basically a more simpler version of the later part. I think it's fine to keep it as it is
02:47:091 (1,2,3,4) - same applies to these - same response as before
03:01:313 - tbh you could probably map to the guitar here, if you choose to do this then do this also for 03:15:313 - not going to map the guitar here as it is more suited for a stop kind of feeling per say
03:30:202 (4) - nc?
03:31:647 - there's a sound here pretty sure - on normal speed, it would just sound like the lingering hit from the previous note. Don't think its needed to add a note there

All 1/3 strings NC strings were removed aside from a few that landed on the downbeat.

[Insane]

00:27:758 - could make this a triple if you wanted to, apply this to all other instanced if you are - same reasoning as EX
00:57:609 (3,1) - jump might be a little too big here - not much I could do, lowered spacing of each jump
00:59:536 (4) - could use that snail shape gain if you wanted to, this kinda just looks odd
02:40:869 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - what's with the inconsistent distance here, a bit unfitting honestly, same with 02:55:091 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - The song decreases in pitch slightly hence why the spacing is lower

honestly nothing much to point out here, solid diff

[Normal]
00:55:980 (4) - nc? -
01:11:980 (4) - nc?
01:58:202 (3,4,5) - might wanna change 3 to a slider to be consistent with all of the other sections before it - The NC pattern before and NC pattern after are different from each other.
02:03:536 (6) - nc?
02:19:536 (5) - nc?
02:37:313 (1,2,3,4) - so this is kinda weird because this is mapped to the background drums while 02:33:758 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - is mapped to the strings synth so there's a bit of inconsistency here - changed rhythm here
02:51:536 (1,2,3,4) - same here
03:29:758 - snap ts to 03:30:647 - ? - It's a rest section for the normal players after the slider patterns. Just about anything placed after this slider is bad readability tbh
03:37:536 (7) - nc?

Ongaku wrote:

k very late mod i know, sorry.

[General]

Maybe try making the CS of Insane a bit bigger. Maybe around 4.5 or 4.7. Other than that, on to the mod.

[Insane]

- 00:15:980 (7) - You should NC this since its different from 00:15:313 (2,3,4) - and 00:15:757 (5,6) - . To avoid redundancy since there are similar patterns, I suggest you change the ones that are similar too. - A lot of the NCing is based less on the song and more on the map structure. As such, there is no need to NC this

- 00:33:313 (2,3,4) - No matter how hard I try to ignore the stick sounds, I can't seem to, and always end up mishearing it, and I probably won't be the only one. I suggest you just put a repeat. - which would just create a more annoying pattern due to the 1/6 slider. I think it is more of a personal problem as you are the first person to tell me about this

- 00:41:536 (4) - NC? I think its significant enough to.

[Normal]

- 00:56:869 (5,6) - I don't see why this should be any different than 00:55:091 (2,3) -

- 01:58:202 (3,4,5) - Wouldn't it be more consistent and reasonable to have these notes be one whole reverse slider? - The part was never consistent; it was just simply a buildup overall

- 02:47:091 (5) - This note should be unique enough to have its own NC.

[Conclusion]

Thats about all I got for now, but Normal could use a bit more effort. I'm not sure how to explain it, but something feels off about it. Anyways, if you need another mod on this, feel free to contact me again, and I'll do more next time. I did this in the morning, so I might have missed a few bits.

Shiirn wrote:

Suggestions
Major suggestions
Unrankable issues

I will be modding the topmost difficulty downwards. I'll try not to suggest my own interpretations of sakuzyo.

EX

1. A lot of your last-note-of-the-stream combos are not in a straight line from their previous ones, probably due to grid snap being a cunt. Some are more in line than others, which makes the effect look kind of weird. I'm talking about 00:14:202 (4,5,6,7,8) - these things, btw.
2. 00:19:313 (5,6,7,8) - The manual stacking of 7 and beyond makes this triangle look REALLY weird. I suggest just manually moving the stack so that 567 makes a proper triangle.
3. 00:34:869 (2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - The issue i mentioned up there^ makes this pattern in particular look really weird. - no matter how many times I see it, I can't really see the misalignment at all
4. 00:53:313 (7) - I can't explain exactly why, but I feel like this should be new combo'd. Feel free to disagree. - Removed NC patterns on 1/3 earlier so this is a no
5. 01:11:536 (5,6,7) - This is super weird because there is totally a beat on the red tick and if anything it's stronger and i don't hear any particular pair of doubles that would take precedence over these beats. - that sound is not on a red tick, but more on a yellow tick or some ridiculous rhythm instead. Not sure how to deal wit this instead of just leaving it like this
6. 01:26:869 (1) - This should be two notes if you're following the acoustics, as it does actually double up. I know the second is weaker, but... eh - true, but eh
7. 02:08:425 (5,6,7,8) - I know i said i wouldn't suggest things like this, but this should really, really be two sliders if you want to keep 1/4 noises going as there isn't an audible beat on the first blue tick and the second is a slap that is irrelevant to the layer you're following. This applies to most of the Dun-Dun moments.
8. 02:21:313 (1) - people give me shit for weird sliders im sharing the love. same w/ the other one - yay

Insane

1. 01:47:980 (2,3,4,5,6) - This is personal opinion, but this is the only 5-note stream in this section. You have a lot of sliders before, and don't necessarily have clicks on all the drums anyway, so... maybe make this two 1/4 sliders and a circle? The string noises could make for pretty good 1/4 slider jumps. (The reason i didn't suggest this on EX is that EX is much more dense and has many more drum-reliant clicks, so following the drums excessively is fine for the ending) - There's a few 5 note streams before such as 01:40:869 (3,4,5,6,7) - and 01:33:313 (1,2,3,4,5) - . I am just simply mapping the constant drumming to circles here consistently
2. 01:55:869 (7) - doesn't really make sense it's also very inconsistent with the rest of the section - did a minor rhythm change here
3. 02:18:981 (8) - on EX, you specifically avoided having a click here, because there isn't a beat, I'm assuming. Do something similar here? - removed circle and increased spacing
4. 02:21:313 (1) - IT'S LITERALLY THE SAME SLIDER AAAAAAAAAAAAAA - yep

normal is fine

Squigly wrote:

for ez dif xd

00:32:869 (3,4) - do you think making this into a slider would fit better or did u really want the singular note to accentuate the big hit there, because it seems like 2 sliders would fit better because of that drum noise going on in the background - the former. The circle is more of a build-up feeling rather than following a certain instrument. A slider wouldn't have the same effect

00:39:536 - i was thinking you should add a note here to match the previous note that was added in the same section - I don't think I have ever add a circle there in previous sections. No change to keep consistency

00:43:980 (3) - you think making this into a slider to the previous white tick and adding a note on the beat would be better? - the player will probably assume that the current NC pattern is the downbeat. The song just switches a bit so this is why it is mapped like this instead

02:42:647 (2) - because the ending of this slider is a bit different (the music) maybe something different could be done just for the sake of it :B like a short slider or somethin - considering that this is the easiest difficulty, I don't think a short slider would be considered. I also think there is no need for a different ending as it is just following a basic guideline instead of the song as a whole.

02:51:980 - these parts feel kind of weird to me because they could just as easily have a note here although i could understand if they might feel cluttered or whatever but regardless ill just mention this part and i know it happens at least 1 other time in the kiai section before this. - added a circle

cool ending, i hope i did ok with this mod

Yuii- wrote:

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Doing

Easy

1. 01:58:202 (3) - Off-screen object.
2. 02:19:536 (5) - I believe you could have placed an NC here. - not adding to stay consistent with previous NC styles plus I am avoiding 1 note NC's in easier difficulties
3. 02:30:202 (1,1) - Recovery time might not be enough, I'm not really sure about it, but based on the 1500 ms rule for 150 BPM, I'd finish it on 02:32:424 - .
4. 03:02:202 - 03:15:536 - This section is rather boring and very simple. Mostly Ctrl+J'd patterns focused on the center of the playfield. There's barely any movement and more than 50% of the screen is not being used for 15 whole seconds. I'd strongly recommend you guys separate things a tad so it doesn't look so clunky. - changed a few note positions around

Normal

1. 00:56:869 (2,3) - As you haven't used a single 1/1 stack so far, maybe spreading them out would be a better idea. Generic triangle can work!! 02:47:091 (1,2) - Well, actually, here's the another one. Still, I don't think it's the best idea considering you are only using it twice throughout the map.
2. 01:09:313 (2) - Mostly visual, but moving the tail to the left just a little bit would look nicer, that way the flow looks more intuitive towards (3). - used a curve instead, I don't think moving the tail would look any better
3. 02:03:536 (6) - Shouldn't an NC be here? - same as Easy, I am avoiding one object NC's
4. 03:17:536 (3,6,3) - Not really liking the fact that you are emphasising downbeats with the repeat arrow. Personally, I think they should really be clickable instead of not giving them any kind of action at all. They are not even placed in the tail where the action would be releasing the button... it's right in the middle of both, so it doesn't make too much sense. - changed to a more intuitive rhythm

Insane

1. 00:52:202 (11,12,13,1) - and so on. The 1/6s mentioned are completely unpredictable and kind of unwanted for people who'll most likely play this difficulty. I do believe that making them as a slider would help a lot. Not all of them, though, only referring to those that are right after a 1/4 stream, because there's no way to tell they are 1/6s on an Insane-type of difficulty. So, patterns like 00:32:276 (2,3,4) - could be "okayish" because there's a small break in between.
2. 02:38:647 (6,7) - Spacing is quite brutal here considering there's no real emphasis in the bgm. Something similar happens to 02:52:870 (6,7) - (actually it's the same scenario). Lowering the spacing here would be much nicer. - Lowered spacing, but due to the structure, I really cannot go much lower than this
3. 03:28:869 (1,2,3,4) - And last but not least, reducing the spacing here a bit more so it doesn't look like a 1/2 pattern would also be nice. Actually, I read it as a 1/2 pattern, so I thought it would be nice to just let you know haha! - Considering that a rhythm similar to this was played before and the constant 1/4's, I don't think it would have the general player playing this misread as a 1/2

Extra

It's easily passable for those wondering!

Mostly a personal comment, but I do think you could work on your NCs till the very end of the intro. Stuff such as 00:43:313 (9) - could be NC'd to provide an easier readability to the 1/6 patterns. So there's an actual way of differentiating them not only by a few pixels, but also by the combos.

1. 01:33:202 (9,1,2) - Must point these out. I really, really wasn't expecting that. Throughout the whole section, you are mapping the doubles before the slider and this just caught me off-guard. Isn't there a way of replacing 01:33:202 (9) - ? I was thinking about making 01:32:869 (8) - 1/4 and then adding another 1/4 slider on 01:33:091 - . What do you think? - just stacked on 9. It's the most fitting way
2. 02:12:313 (8,1) - Spacing here goes crazy compared to the other 1/4 patterns. I really thought it was a 1/2 at a first glance. Making (7) a 1/4 slider could help out a bit so there's a really short break with no clickable action in-between. - lowered spacing
3. 02:19:092 (12) - Also, adding an NC there would be cool, for the sake of the doubles.
4. 02:26:647 (1) - Repeat arrow can be hella hard to read with some skins, especially if you don't hit 300 on 02:24:869 (1) - . Would move 02:26:647 (1) - some pixels below just to make sure it's 100% rankable. - moved a few objects

This difficulty is hella good, excellent job.

[]

Amazing set, good job everyone. I do think there are some "must-change" stuff that should be... changed, so feel free to ask me any questions if you can't comprehend something that I said!

Call me back!

Stjpa wrote:

Any metadata source? - currently having Kwan check that.

[E]
[*] 03:02:202 - It's really weird that this whole part has a different rhythm (and also a pretty inaudible imo) when the both same parts had a rhythm that actually folllowed the music properly. - I think its fine. It is just a more challenging rhythm to play than the beginning and it does follow the song.[/list]

[N]

1. 00:39:535 (3) - I personally dislike that it's a circle when it more feels like that those circles have the purpose of emphasizing the drum of 00:39:980 (4,5,6). - I've done this with several other iterations earlier in the map and I think it fits fine due to the direction change from 3 to 4
2. 01:33:980 (5,6) - Maybe use a 1/2 slider instead of two circles? The beat on (6) is really quiet so it doesn't deserve a clickable object. - removed 2 circles instead

[I]

1. 00:12:647 (4,5,6) - Is there anything special you wanna emphasize with this triplet? Because you mapped the previous two triplets with two 1/4 repeats, so if there's no special reason you could make an A B A scheme here to prevent literally nothing. Kek. - changed the last slider to a triple instead
2. 00:16:424 (11,1) - Personally I highly dislike 1/8 gaps, even tho the second object is still a slider. 1/8 is just a very little time frame so it's pretty easy to break on it, and in this case the second sliderhead is almost completely hidden which makes it pretty hard to read, especially for a 4* diff. - the default skin actually has the arrows overlapped with the sliderstart making it easily seeable. Changed to a 1/4 gap now
3. 00:19:536 (6,7,8,9) -The sounds fit way more to a back n forth pattern. Like, (6,8) and (7,9) have the same sounds, so mapping them spaced except (8,9) when they have completely different sounds is kinda counter-intuitive. - used a zigzag instead. Don't really like the stack
4. 00:47:980 (5,6,7) - Might wanna custom stack to for consistency? - these are custom stacked

[E]

1. 00:36:758 (3,1) - Lowering the distance here to make it visually different than 00:36:424 (1,2) - would be neat. - changed to a previous pattern to be consistent.

Call me re-check when done