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[Hiiro Sakaki]
Heya~
In the middle of ACTUAL mods, I'll point out that you may add to the tags "The Violation Fleshgod Apocalypse" as The Empress is made as a mix of Flander theme and The Violation by Fleshgod~

Good luck !
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EphemeralFetish

[Hiiro Sakaki] wrote:

Heya~
In the middle of ACTUAL mods, I'll point out that you may add to the tags "The Violation Fleshgod Apocalypse" as The Empress is made as a mix of Flander theme and The Violation by Fleshgod~

Good luck !
Is it really? Any source?
[Hiiro Sakaki]
https://twitter.com/Ak39everlasting/status/756117954027261952

That's the best I can find so far, but it's a common thing to tell The Empress is based off The Violation (Listen to the intro and the chords progression)
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EphemeralFetish

[Hiiro Sakaki] wrote:

https://twitter.com/Ak39everlasting/status/756117954027261952

That's the best I can find so far, but it's a common thing to tell The Empress is based off The Violation (Listen to the intro and the chords progression)
Good enough for me, Ill add that in. Thanks.
Wormi
06:12:124 (2) - Isn't this whole stream overmapped?
Would a 1/3 fit better here? (or another rythm based on sliders or something?)

edit: Also, shouldn't the background be 1366x768?
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EphemeralFetish

Worminators wrote:

06:12:124 (2) - Isn't this whole stream overmapped?
Would a 1/3 fit better here? (or another rythm based on sliders or something?)

edit: Also, shouldn't the background be 1366x768?
90% 1/4 with a few random notes thrown in. Im still not sure about trying to change this one since this is just as close.

BG is fine if its a couple pixels under.
Alheak
Very nice, may 2016 be the year of impossible Undead Corp sets!

Have a few (useless) stars because I my OCD wanna see +100
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EphemeralFetish
06:12:124 (1) - Changed stream to be 1/3 and 1/4 but honestly I think it would still be better as all 1/4

Again, if no-one else mentions anything Ill try and Re qualify this tomorrow.
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EphemeralFetish
Last update post. Ill be calling the BN's today for requalify.

Spoke to Azer and he suggested 01:20:064 (1) - To be changed from all sliders since it adds some rather un-needed reading, so replaced with simple streams. Nothing else caught his attention.

Quick IRC with Alheak as well to change the 1/4 stream at 06:12:124 (1) - To match the varying rhythm between 1/3 and 1/4 as best as I could.

Anyways. I think were ready for requalify now.
Wormi
Can you please change the background image to this one that is actually 1366x768?
http://puu.sh/rgKVA/5aa9bac141.jpg

I resized it from the highest resolution I found and you can see it has a better quality, sharper edges and looks less blurry
(The fact that the image was not exactly 1366x768 was messing with my OCD)
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EphemeralFetish

Worminators wrote:

Can you please change the background image to this one that is actually 1366x768?
http://puu.sh/rgKVA/5aa9bac141.jpg

I resized it from the highest resolution I found and you can see it has a better quality, sharper edges and looks less blurry
(The fact that the image was not exactly 1366x768 was messing with my OCD)
Sure thing. My photoshop is broke and had to use a shitty online editor, so that might explain the bad quality. Thanks
Pelzio
Battle
not rly lo
Weriko
inb4 rank
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EphemeralFetish

Weriko wrote:

inb4 rank
Still need to find 2 replacement BN's

If any BN's read this, hit me up. :^)
Cryptic

EphemeralFetish wrote:

Still need to find 2 replacement BN's
You lost 2 of the 3? Damn.
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EphemeralFetish

Cryptic wrote:

EphemeralFetish wrote:

Still need to find 2 replacement BN's
You lost 2 of the 3? Damn.
Spaghetti didnt really like the map but was just helping out cause I couldnt find anyone. Kagetsu wants to avoid drama.
xDololow

EphemeralFetish wrote:

... avoid drama.
Drama in circle clicking game. LUL LUL LUL
Cherry Blossom
That's sad but.
Nobody, and i said, NOBODY in this community is able to judge a map like this.
Nobody has BOTH enough playing and modding skills to judge this map.
I didn't say this map is bad, but ranking this map doesn't make sense for now, since nobody can't judge it.
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EphemeralFetish

Cherry Blossom wrote:

That's sad but.
Nobody, and i said, NOBODY in this community is able to judge a map like this.
Nobody has BOTH enough playing and modding skills to judge this map.
I didn't say this map is bad, but ranking this map doesn't make sense for now, since nobody can't judge it.
I think its easy to judge. You just need to go about it differently. Rather than looking at the map as a whole you can just break everything down into small parts and judge those. Even looking at each combo. Much easier to judge it that way, and all long as each small section works and fits into the next then the map as a whole is fine.
Weber

Cherry Blossom wrote:

That's sad but.
Nobody, and i said, NOBODY in this community is able to judge a map like this.
Nobody has BOTH enough playing and modding skills to judge this map.
I didn't say this map is bad, but ranking this map doesn't make sense for now, since nobody can't judge it.
a. its passable
b. its not alien
c. its not even CLOSE to being alien
d. its not even like the map has difficult to understand concepts
e. its not alien
f. its STILL not alien

if you would like to clarify exactly what is so unjudgable about the map as to warrant it as unrankable, please do share

edit: mashallah
Cherry Blossom
@Weber
Okay then.
Find me someone in this community that is able to play this map properly and pass, and which has also enough modding skills, and not "please change this pattern" without giving a good reason, and without understanding the whole mechanic of the map.
And i didn't say this map looks like Alien, there is a huge difference between them.
Monstrata wanted to create another concept behind his map by making it intentionally ugly in order to make it "fit better" the song. While EphemeralFetish's map has a "simple concept" but looks as difficult as Alien.

@EphemeralFetish
And it's a bad idea to take patterns one by one. A map is made by its global structure, and judging patterns one by one doesn't make sense, because you ignore the context around it. And the context must not be forgotten.
Charles explained something similar in this video (around 2mins), please look at it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRW8EGbdfLA
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EphemeralFetish
I was just saying that while it may be difficult to judge a map as a whole, you can certainly judge each concept/pattern/structure etc etc and see that it works.
Weber

Cherry Blossom wrote:

Find me someone in this community that is able to play this map properly and pass


Cherry Blossom wrote:

and which has also enough modding skills


You don't need to be good at this game to have an in-depth understanding at how mapping works.
Cherry Blossom

Cherry Blossom wrote:

Nobody has BOTH enough playing and modding skills to judge this map.
Weber

Cherry Blossom wrote:

Cherry Blossom wrote:

Nobody has BOTH enough playing and modding skills to judge this map.
Explain why you need to both be able to play the map as well as have extensive mapping and modding knowledge when instead, as an experienced mapper, you COULD get the opinion of someone talented at the game who can play it, then through your own knowledge and experienced judgement, determine whether the map is good or not.

Because your train of thought where, just because we don't have a player that's both extremely proficient at both playing the game as well as mapping/modding it somehow gates us from ranking these kind of maps, just doesn't make sense imo.
Vyander
what about Doomsday, jesse1412 and XII? they all have experience on this kinds of maps i think (at least on terms of playing it)
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EphemeralFetish
At the end of the day none of this matters. Got a couple mods, applied pretty much everything from both. Just needs Re Qualify.
Kibbleru

Weber wrote:

Cherry Blossom wrote:

Nobody has BOTH enough playing and modding skills to judge this map.
Explain why you need to both be able to play the map as well as have extensive mapping and modding knowledge when instead, as an experienced mapper, you COULD get the opinion of someone talented at the game who can play it, then through your own knowledge and experienced judgement, determine whether the map is good or not.

Because your train of thought where, just because we don't have a player that's both extremely proficient at both playing the game as well as mapping/modding it somehow gates us from ranking these kind of maps, just doesn't make sense imo.
i agree, but its just not quite the same unfortunately :( i wish what u said were true too
LastExceed
This map is passable, we just need someone who mastered playing with 4keys in osu!std to meet up with someone who has the aiming skills and then do a coop attempt.

And no, I'm not joking.
FathomAssembly
Hi ! I wanted to help at least a bit by saying motivating shit !

I've read with attention all twenty pages of the post, which is something I do rarely, and here is what I think : This should be ranked. I'm thinking like Rohulk, having really really hard maps is good, because its motivating. Having maps you look up to, that you dream to do, is what makes you going.
"It's too difficult !" some say, I'd make a simple comparison. At first, humanity didn't even have fire, now, we've reached the moon, and I know that soon we'll reach the stars. Tell any prehistoric man that their descendance will reach the stars in the sky, I'm sure they wouldn't believe you, yet we're close to it now.

When I see something hard/seemingly impossible, I think 'what makes this look impossible ?... Oh, it's that and that, but now that I think about it, it's perfectly doable !'. I personnally believe that someday, someone will SS Centipede all mods, and when that day happens, this map will have been SS'ed all mods plenty of times already. The only way to improve it to challenge yourself. Let's improve the mapping meta by making and ranking this kind of hard yet well made maps !
Shiirn

Cherry Blossom wrote:

@EphemeralFetish
And it's a bad idea to take patterns one by one. A map is made by its global structure, and judging patterns one by one doesn't make sense, because you ignore the context around it. And the context must not be forgotten.
Charles explained something similar in this video (around 2mins), please look at it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRW8EGbdfLA
If you bothered to actually look at the map, this uses global structure pretty well. It's pattern-based rather than distance-based.
chainpullz

Cherry Blossom wrote:

Cherry Blossom wrote:

Nobody has BOTH enough playing and modding skills to judge this map.
Idk, smoothie world seems like he might have the requisite skills in both departments. Though hes quite literally the only person I can think of who comes close to satisfying both.

Edit: Rustbell is pretty good at 4key alternating with mouse but good fucking luck aiming at the same time lol. Hes pretty spro but I think even his inhuman rhythm game talents would struggle on this one.
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EphemeralFetish
Reminder.

Side
So apparently NOW it matters that the people responsible for ranking maps can also play them themselves...

No doubt Monstrata's quaver will get re-qualified real soon even though there's probably not a damn BN or QAT that can easily pass it much less his road of resistance or even maps like apparition for that matter (inb4 "don't use previously ranked maps to justify current pending maps" excuse.) That's played out and irrelevant because y'all know damn well it doesn't mean s*** if it happened yesterday or a few months ago if the rules are the same. It only further proves that BNs and QATs only pay attention when they're pushed to do it which pretty much means if none of them even care or bother then mistakes slip through.


I bet if this song was half the bpm and the map stayed the same y'all wouldn't be complaining.
Seijiro

Shiirn wrote:

Cherry Blossom wrote:

@EphemeralFetish
And it's a bad idea to take patterns one by one. A map is made by its global structure, and judging patterns one by one doesn't make sense, because you ignore the context around it. And the context must not be forgotten.
Charles explained something similar in this video (around 2mins), please look at it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRW8EGbdfLA
If you bothered to actually look at the map, this uses global structure pretty well. It's pattern-based rather than distance-based.
I have to agree with this.
The map has nothing complex in it. The fact it has 270 BPM deathstreams is another matter.


This is something I rarely do, but I do agree in part with what Rohulk said (regarding the player's point of view). While it is true no one can pass this map NOW it doesn't mean it can't make people strive for higher playing standards.
Holy, how can streams, one of the basic concepts of mapping, be difficult to understand?
How can simple jumps be considered yet again difficult to understand?
How?

It is fast, ok. That's it, tho.
Get it already.

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Back to something more BN-related, since I'm here as a BN right now:
personally speaking, it changed nothing for me. The few mods that came in after/during the DQ were just a couple and they were meant to polish the map and not actually pointing out objectively "wrong" stuff (and we could endlessly continue doing this polishing since perfection doesn't exist, right?)
Yet again, I see no problems after rechecking the map so I don't see why it shouldn't be ranked.

I waited a bit longer to see if anyone was going to add something here, but it looks like the last 3-4 pages have no mods in it so I guess you guys got all the pseudo-drama you needed to calm down.

Here's your first bubble again and good luck with the other BNs
Vyander
now that's an objective comment
Swiftrax
HERE COMES DAT +3 KUDOSU
OH SHIT WADDUP
LastExceed
It was probably discussed before but i dont want to read through 21 pages of comments for this: why is the HP of this map so low? 4.7 sounds like you suddenly want to make up for the extreme difficulty of this map. (this is not an insult, im just trying to understand) I have never seen such a low HP before (except for easy maps ofc). Since you made a map noone can pass i don't think "anything higher would be too hard" is a valid excuse because if you want to create an unbeatable map, do it seriously. HP4.7 will result in the first pass being mashed. (again, I don't want to judge you, this is 100% objective).

Also another question on the side: Is there someone who can "pass" this with relax? i mean is there someone who has the cursor skills but lacks the finger skills?
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EphemeralFetish
Me and mithew both had runs that failed after the last stream at hp5. I asked him how be felt about it being 5 and he said a little lower wouldnt hurt.
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