16:49 Side: hey harby guess wat
16:49 Side: I am becoming a mania mapper ;^)
16:49 Harbyter: hey
16:49 Harbyter: why this sudden interent for mapping mania?
16:49 Harbyter: xD
16:50 Side: well my tablet stopped working some time ago and I didnt like mouse osu so I started playing mania lol
16:51 Side: still map std but recently started mapping mania too
16:51 Harbyter: o
16:51 Harbyter: well then good luck
16:51 Harbyter: mania it's fun
16:52 Side: yeeeee actually and I noticed you have some ranked 4k mania maps so I was wondering if you wouldnt mind giving me a bit of feedback on a map
16:52 Harbyter: what song
16:52 Harbyter: link
16:53 *Side is watching [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/978659 Vospi - Reverence [Easy]] <osu!mania> |4K|
16:53 Harbyter: oh this one
16:53 Harbyter: i remember i've modded already the 7k ranked version
16:53 Side: ya 7k version is fun but I suck at 7k and I love this song so I wanted a 4k version
16:59 Harbyter: mmm
17:00 Harbyter: the hard
17:00 Harbyter: i think you should polish more the technical part
17:01 Side: hmm okay
17:01 Harbyter: there are some incosistence through the diff
17:01 Harbyter: and some part it's fine if you repeat the pattern or the same patterning
17:02 Side: like which one should I do it
17:02 *Harbyter is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/988402 Vospi - Reverence [Hard]]
17:02 Harbyter: will link you some part
17:02 Harbyter: wait
17:04 Harbyter: 00:08:717 -
17:04 Harbyter: this part for example
17:04 Harbyter: the doubles are for the guitar right?
17:05 Side: yea
17:05 Harbyter: 00:08:543 - then this
17:05 Side: well its every 1/1 I think
17:05 Harbyter: this should be at least a double too
17:06 Harbyter: so people can feel the guitar more starting from here
17:06 Harbyter: 00:09:066 (9066|0) - and moving this in col 2 is good too
17:06 Harbyter: cause the pitch here is different from the previous one
17:06 Harbyter: pressing the same chord with different pitch it's weird
17:06 Harbyter: xD
17:07 Side: true yea
17:07 Harbyter: if you don't understand something just tell me
17:07 Harbyter: i'll use more simple words
17:08 Side: nah I got it still new to mania but I got a few mods and checked feru's guide a bit to learn some terms
17:08 Side: so I kind of understand now xd
17:08 Harbyter: oky
17:08 Harbyter: 00:21:101 -
17:08 Harbyter: here another part that bother me
17:09 Harbyter: the next section you started to follow the piano pitch
17:09 Harbyter: 00:21:101 (21101|2,21188|1) - those two notes are for the hat
17:09 Harbyter: those tics sounds
17:09 Harbyter: but i suggest to focus the piano that is here 00:21:101 -
17:09 Harbyter: so removing 00:21:188 (21188|1) - is good
17:10 Harbyter: 00:21:537 - and for this
17:10 Harbyter: having a single note is enought
17:10 Harbyter: the hit of the piano is really soft
17:10 Harbyter: having a double it's a little too much
17:11 Side: sure okay I actually added that burst in that section cuz ppl said it was too boring and it should have bursts since its a hrd
17:11 Side: it was all 1/2 before
17:12 Harbyter: it's oky if some part are easy
17:12 Harbyter: like here
17:13 Harbyter: 00:25:810 (25810|1) - moving this in col 3 is good
17:13 Harbyter: so you can still follow the jack piano pitch
17:14 Side: oh thats where I had it
17:14 Side: maaaaan I should stop listening to every mod >_<
17:14 Harbyter: e
17:14 Harbyter: xD
17:14 Harbyter: not everymod are oky
17:14 Harbyter: you should prioritize what you intented to do
17:15 Harbyter: if it broke what you wanted to do then it's no good
17:15 Harbyter: some modder mod what they think
17:15 Harbyter: and i think they are the majority
17:15 Harbyter: and there are few modder that try to understand the mapper style and try to improve what he wanted to do
17:17 Harbyter: btw
17:17 Harbyter: always this part
17:17 Harbyter: 00:26:333 (26333|0,26421|1) - moving one column at right is good too
17:17 Side: yea I usually know what to look for in standard but in mania sometimes I wonder if just cuz it follows the pitch but it plays too hard it might not be the best idea
17:17 Side: so I try to listen to most mods cuz maybe they know more than me xd
17:17 Harbyter: xD
17:18 Harbyter: can you understand why i've suggested to move those two notes on the right?
17:19 Side: the trill and the pitch have a good effect
17:19 Harbyter: yup
17:19 Harbyter: and reduced the pressure on the column 1
17:19 Side: like uh...idk I guess it makes sense
17:19 Side: xd
17:20 Harbyter:
http://puu.sh/pflVG/4d45f3c318.jpg17:20 Harbyter: well this is the example
17:20 Side: also I learned so far ppl dont like trills :v
17:20 Harbyter: those selected note are for the piano pitch
17:20 Harbyter: mixinn with the snare while playing gives a good feeling
17:20 Harbyter: mixing°
17:21 Side: actually fun fact I had that before I made this a 1/4
17:21 Side: also I do it again here 01:35:229 -
17:21 Side: sort of
17:22 Side: I also changed that one a bit for playability
17:22 Side: but it used to be like htat
17:22 Harbyter: lol
17:22 Harbyter: xD
17:22 Harbyter: well to me it's easy
17:24 Side: nice well so far fixed all
17:24 Harbyter: 00:26:857 -
17:24 Harbyter: from here
17:24 Harbyter: is
17:24 Harbyter: uhmm
17:25 Harbyter: how to say
17:25 Harbyter: it's like you doesn't follow any specific sounds
17:25 Harbyter: cause there are some incosistence
17:25 Harbyter: with those amount of notes that you use
17:25 Harbyter: for example
17:26 Side: oh so the triple is too much?
17:26 Side: I can change it to a double if thats what you mean
17:26 Harbyter: 00:27:031 (27031|1,27031|3,27554|0,27554|2,27729|0,27729|2,28034|1,28078|3,28426|1,28426|3,28775|2,28775|1) -
17:26 Harbyter: no the triple are fine
17:26 Harbyter: those are the notes for the piano right?
17:27 Side: yea
17:27 Harbyter: 00:27:205 (27205|3,27205|1) - then this double
17:27 Harbyter: should be a single note instead
17:27 Harbyter: 00:27:903 (27903|3,28601|0) - like those two
17:28 Side: oh actually this part
17:28 Side: I wasn't sure yet but I was wondering if I should do it like I did 00:29:822 -
17:28 Side: cuz its more close to what the sound of the piano and drums do
17:28 Harbyter: no
17:28 Harbyter: you can keep like this too
17:28 Harbyter: since the piano pitch changes from the low to high
17:29 Harbyter: using first the simple notes then the LN for the second section is ok
17:29 Side: okay
17:29 Harbyter: 00:27:205 (27205|1,27205|3) - just sugest to remove one note here
17:29 Harbyter: and move the remaining note in col 3
17:30 Harbyter: 00:27:380 (27380|0) - if you applied the suggestion you should move this in col 2 too
17:30 Harbyter: better flow of the pattern
17:30 Harbyter: 00:28:034 (28034|1) - and this 1/8
17:30 Side: okay
17:30 Harbyter: suggest to ignore this
17:30 Harbyter: in this hard
17:30 Harbyter: 00:28:078 - so you can add another note for this piano here
17:31 Side: oh noooo I love those 1/8
17:31 Harbyter: but it's uhhh
17:31 Harbyter: xD
17:31 Side: ;-;
17:32 Harbyter: up to you
17:32 Harbyter: you can keep it
17:32 Harbyter: not that is wrong
17:32 Harbyter: 00:32:700 - uu
17:32 Side: tbh I asked some ppl for testplays and havent seen issues with it yet so I think I'll keep it.
17:33 Harbyter: this section is the same of the previous one
17:33 Harbyter: where you put the double
17:33 Harbyter: for example here you just put a single note
17:33 Harbyter: i mean here 00:21:537 -
17:34 Harbyter: 00:32:961 - and look here
17:34 Side: oh yeah I changed the previous one
17:34 Harbyter: the previous one has a triple
17:34 Harbyter: here a double
17:34 Harbyter: i guess a double on the previous part is better
17:34 Harbyter: instead of the triple
17:34 Side: okay
17:36 Side: now that I listen to it 00:32:961 - is pretty quiet
17:36 Side: but 00:21:798 - is not as quiet and has a higher pitch note too
17:36 Side: kinda like 00:33:659 -
17:37 Harbyter: mmm
17:37 Harbyter: so a single LN on the second one?
17:37 Side: yea probably
17:42 Harbyter: 01:00:345 -
17:42 Harbyter: mmmm
17:42 Side: good old 1/3 xd
17:42 Harbyter: lot of snaps are questionable
17:43 Harbyter: can't chekc it properly now here since i'm without headphones
17:43 Harbyter: i'm at office
17:43 Harbyter: xD
17:43 Side:
17:43 Side: waaaaaaaaa dont do that you'll get fired xd
17:44 Harbyter: 01:18:485 (78485|0) -
17:44 Harbyter: don't worry
17:44 Harbyter: i'm the boss
17:44 Harbyter: i can't fire myself
17:44 Harbyter: lol
17:44 Harbyter: xD
17:44 Side: NICE lol
17:44 Harbyter: this LN
17:44 Harbyter: i think it's wrong
17:45 Harbyter: first of all the previous section were without this LN
17:45 Side: yeah I think I"ll change that to a note
17:45 Side: same for 00:33:659 -
17:45 Harbyter: second reason is because there are two piano hits
17:46 Harbyter: 01:19:880 (79880|0,81275|1) -
17:46 Harbyter: same reason
17:46 Side: oh copied the wrong timestamp lol
17:46 Side: yeah I changed both
17:48 Harbyter: 01:24:764 (84764|0) -
17:48 Harbyter: moving this in col 4 is good
17:49 Side: true
17:49 Harbyter: 01:35:926 -
17:49 Harbyter: well now
17:49 Harbyter: here
17:49 Harbyter: i think repattering it like the first one
17:49 Harbyter: is good?
17:49 Harbyter: xD
17:49 Harbyter: the consistence here is really different
17:49 Harbyter: 01:36:624 - and there is a missing note here too
17:49 Harbyter: 01:35:926 - here you should remove one note
17:50 Harbyter: 01:35:578 - here adding one
17:50 Harbyter: you should remember how you mapped the previous section
17:50 Harbyter: if there are similar part
17:50 Harbyter: at least keeping the same amount of note
17:51 Side: okay changed it
17:51 Harbyter: 01:42:205 - from here
17:51 Harbyter: mmm
17:53 Side: maybe just a single?
17:53 Side: delete 3?
17:53 Harbyter: i mean
17:54 Harbyter: 01:42:205 - ~ 01:46:915 -
17:54 Harbyter: from 1.45 to 1.46
17:54 Harbyter: it's a little mess
17:54 Harbyter: xD
17:54 Side: oh lol
17:54 Harbyter: 1.42°
17:55 Harbyter: 01:43:078 (103078|0) -
17:55 Harbyter: no sound?
17:55 Harbyter: can't hear well
17:55 Harbyter: i think there is a hat in the 1/4
17:55 Harbyter: 01:43:165 -
17:56 Harbyter: 01:44:124 (104124|0,104211|3,104211|2,104298|0,104473|0) - and this
17:56 Harbyter: a simple 1/4 without chord is better
17:57 Harbyter: 01:44:822 (104822|0,105171|1) - moving those two one col on the right
17:57 Side: what about 01:42:554 -
17:57 Harbyter: and removing this 01:45:345 (105345|0) -
17:57 Side: do I remove this chord and toe others?
17:57 Harbyter: no
17:57 Harbyter: is fine
17:57 Harbyter: 01:43:601 - 01:43:775 - adding notes in 3 is good
17:58 Harbyter: more consistent
17:59 Side: 01:46:043 - I'll add some 1/4 here too I think
17:59 Harbyter: yup
18:02 Harbyter: 01:52:322 (112322|0,113019|3) -
18:02 Harbyter: better removing the claps
18:02 Harbyter: 01:50:578 - adding a note here too is fine
18:02 Harbyter: like the next two next chords
18:03 Harbyter: 01:56:857 - missing note
18:03 Harbyter: 01:57:903 (117903|3,118601|2) - removing claps here too
18:03 Harbyter: 01:58:862 (118862|2,118950|0,118950|3,118950|1) - and for this
18:03 Harbyter: suggest to keep the trills
18:03 Harbyter: 01:58:862 (118862|2,118950|0) - just ctrl j
18:06 Side: so move 01:58:862 - to 1 and 01:58:950 - to 123?
18:06 Harbyter: 234
18:06 Side: yeah I meant that xd
18:06 Side: my b
18:06 Harbyter: xd
18:07 Harbyter: 02:01:740 - add 1
18:07 Harbyter: 02:03:136 - from here
18:07 Harbyter: uhmm
18:07 Harbyter: lemme try one thing
18:08 Harbyter:
http://puu.sh/pfoA4/10b41f3436.jpg18:08 Harbyter: what do you think
18:09 Harbyter: since the tension here should be more high a sequence of this trill fits well
18:10 Side: yeah okay
18:10 Side: idk if I want 16 note trill it seems a bit boring though
18:10 Harbyter: no
18:10 Side: but the trill idea is fine
18:11 Harbyter: it isn't boring cause in mania you can't find so much trills long
18:11 Harbyter: xD
18:11 Side: oh wait
18:11 Side: true lol
18:11 Harbyter: and this fit the song
18:11 Harbyter: is oky
18:12 Harbyter: 02:08:717 - here i suggest to make the trill in col 1 and 4
18:12 Harbyter: if you're oky
18:12 Harbyter: follow this
18:12 Harbyter: the pic will start from here 02:08:543 -
18:12 Side: oh but I already do a trill in col 1 and 4 02:14:298 -
18:12 Side: maybe 1 and 3?
18:13 Harbyter:
http://puu.sh/pfoRE/000b1a7d13.jpg18:13 Harbyter: that part needs a change
18:13 Harbyter: as well
18:15 Side: hmm
18:16 Side: I can change it but I think I'm gonna play around with the patterns more first so its interesting and has trills that fit
18:16 Harbyter: oky
18:16 Harbyter: 02:14:298 -
18:16 Harbyter:
http://puu.sh/pfp32/cc0c6af848.jpg18:16 Harbyter: the 2 4
18:17 Harbyter: remember those transition if you will change
18:17 Harbyter: those transition that i've made are pretty confortable
18:19 Harbyter: last part
18:19 Harbyter: 02:21:101 -
18:19 Harbyter: from here
18:19 Harbyter: you should focus more on the piano pitch here
18:19 Harbyter: 02:26:857 - migh removing one note here
18:20 Harbyter: did you copypasted this section?
18:20 Harbyter: xD
18:20 Side: no
18:20 Harbyter: then why there is a triple x.x
18:20 Side: its hard to copy paste in mania cuz it doesnt let you hl that many notes
18:20 Harbyter: you can o,o
18:21 Harbyter: left click on the mouse and scroll up
18:21 Harbyter: 02:33:659 (153659|1,153833|0,153833|3,154008|1,154182|3,154182|2,154357|0,154531|3,154531|1,154705|0,154880|2,154880|1,155054|0) -
18:21 Side: yea but then it looks like it un highlights the other notes
18:21 Harbyter: 02:33:659 (153659|1,153833|3,153833|0,154008|1,154182|3,154182|2,154357|0,154531|1,154531|3,154705|0,154880|1,154880|2,155054|0,155229|3,155229|1,155403|2,155578|3,155578|1,155752|0,155926|2,156101|1,156275|2,156275|3,156450|1,156624|0,156624|1,156798|2,156973|0,156973|3,157147|1,157322|0,157322|3,157496|2,157496|1,157671|2,157671|1,157845|0,158019|2,158019|1,158368|3,158717|1,158892|2,159066|1,159240|0,159415|3,159415|1,159764|2,160112|0,160112|2,160287|1,160287|3,160461|0,160461|2,160636|0,160636|1,160810|0,160810|3,160810|2,160985|1,161159|0,161159|2,161333|3,161508|2,161682|1,161857|0,161857|2,162031|3,162205|1,163601|0) -
18:21 Harbyter: etc etc
18:21 Side: xd
18:21 Side: mania timestamps look crazy lol
18:22 Harbyter: ahha
18:22 Harbyter: i think that's all
18:22 Harbyter: i've ignored the minor stuff
18:22 Harbyter: i beleave other people will mod those things so it's fine
18:22 Side: damn nice
18:23 Harbyter: now that i remember
18:23 Harbyter: those trills
18:23 Harbyter: in the 7k version
18:23 Harbyter: they were 1/6
18:23 Harbyter: lolol
18:24 Harbyter: dq due to those wrong snaps
18:24 Harbyter: ahhaha
18:25 Side: lol nice
18:25 Side: guess I'll change those to 1/6
18:25 Side: maybe I'll ask nivrad to help me too xd
18:25 Harbyter: nono
18:25 Harbyter: 1/6 is wrong
18:25 Harbyter: xD
18:25 Side: ooo
18:26 Side: ctrl z ctrl zctrl zctrl zctrl zctrl z
18:26 Harbyter: the current 1/4 is correct
18:26 Harbyter: should i post the log?
18:27 Side: yes plz do lol
18:27 Side: lots of changes u should deserve kds