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Why you aren't improving at osu! "HOW DO I GET BETTER?!?!"

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otoed1

Nalarionwc wrote:

Its not a bad guide... but my god I can taste your over inflated ego. Cant you make a guide without talking down to everyone your not even facing like they are irresponsible maniacal idiots?
Have you ever been on the internet? 90% of everyone here is an irresponsible maniacal idiot.
jyling
best advice ever :) :)
Zedivh
Advice 10/10 :3
lovetap
This is the realest sh*t I've ever seen on osu! hahaha.
I'm gonna have to show my "New to this game and think they are getting into OWC" friends this forum. :lol:
Mahogany

[ Ryushi ] wrote:

This is the realest sh*t I've ever seen on osu! hahaha.
I'm gonna have to show my "New to this game and think they are getting into OWC" friends this forum. :lol:
So you mean this guy?
VnSoul
How ironic that this guy who wrote this is banned
jimihenrik

Aws3m wrote:

there is onlyone thing that i hate.. why doall these maps get wau harder attghe end of the map?
like you aer playing smoothly with a little bit of mistakes but you manage to get till the end almost and there is a break.. then all of a sudden out of nowhere the beatmap gets faster and more cirkels andyou fail..
i mean what's up with that? seriously i hate that.. you are so happy that yopu beat the map and then all of a sudden you fail instantly..
that's not motivational at all..

sorry for typo's to lazy to correct them
I know I'm a couple of months late but this is something mainly TV-sized songs seem to do to inflate the star rating/pp gain. If you feel you can beat maps "that hard" but the end kills you, just try a map that is around the same difficulty but 3+ minutes long.
Darth_Mula

VnSoul wrote:

How ironic that this guy who wrote this is banned
ha
hnmk13
Nice job writing all that.I just finished reading and I gotta say this is some pretty helpful advice
Kyozoru
I recommend to just play and play, even peppy will agree to this :v
Sotodashi
Play and play and play

until you get frustrated and throw your pen into the wall
SonPuma
You Don't Actually Follow The Beat Of The Song
That really helped me alot with streaming
Before I was usually just spamming the buttons, and went either to fast or to slow
and this time I just tried listening to the beat and after a few tries it was suddenly so easy to stream without losing stamina and getting alot of 100s or 50s.
I only need to work on the stamina now because the first half i was above 97% :)

ivan
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zoze
Good advice
KazuMaeshima
for OSU mania, one thing i can really say is, get a really comfy keyboard for you to play on. Please dont use laptop keyboard(if you are using a laptop to play on one.

Any keyboard will do as long as they have ghosting abilities. if you have cash to spare, go with mechanical keyboard. IMHO though~
Saberis_old
Nice thread!

Thank you :D
JakshaOG
It really helped me ! :) Thanks alot
OliviaMay
I have a reoccurring problem with nearly every competitive game I play... I'm a king of mental blocks. Often times i find myself getting past a spot where i couldn't before, just because i was day dreaming. I do better when i'm thinking about something else while playing many games. I've tried to find some kind of help for this, but everywhere I've looked.. I've come up blank.
Novalogic
Just enjony game ;x I know it may sound cliche, but it really works. If you have fun while playing, don't care about potential misses, then you get much better results.
Hikek
Recommendation to players thinking of getting a tablet....unless your going to be using it to actually draw with it buy either the H420 or the osu! official tablet they are both around $30. There's no point of spending $150 on something that $30 can do just as well of a job on. I just started on the H420 take a few songs to get used to the tablet itself then a few more to figure out what sensitivity feels right. A balance between speed and accuracy. then as he said stick to it i have mine set to 4.00x and its perfect. I feel like I started to improve faster now that i have one and it makes the game more fun atleast for me.

I am a newer player and I was looking for what i should avoid doing habit wise I got to say this is a realy good post, there's no god d**** chill in it xD. I'm glad to say i haven't fell victim to any of these except the snapping but thats something I'll get better at with time.
Iciee
Sorry for bumping this thread but, we need more players like you on this community, not these lazy fucks that deny on noobs that wants to get good and expecting an answer from the lazy ones. I get it, your ranking (aim, accuracy, etc etc.) is more important than improving this community and making it more popular around the world but seriously, I hate those kind of people.

Not to mention its really a dick move when players (with a rank of #1000+) sees a "3-4* Join Game" lobby and they join in to show off and shit while losing time to rank up on higher level maps...

But don't take it the wrong way, those guys are actually good and yes they had a shit day but it doesn't give them the rights to not help out the noobs or show off at a multiplayer lobby.
Mahogany
I think you should stop caring so much about everything and just try to relax and enjoy the game lest your own annoyance that is being directed towards these people does the opposite of improving the community. The high rank players are just trying to have fun, too. For all you know they've just had a really shit day, and just want to relax on maps they find easy, while being social and able to chat and forget about their day. They most likely have absolutely no malicious intentions, and don't need you to judge them like that.

Iciee wrote:

But don't take it the wrong way, those guys are actually good and yes they had a shit day but it doesn't give them the rights to not help out the noobs or show off at a multiplayer lobby.
They have a right to play the game in whatever manner they want to. Unless they say it themselves, you cannot prove they're joining to "show off".

And it's rude to give advice directly to people if it's not asked for, and they have no obligation to offer you any help in the first place.
Ambrew
Dude, I play on a trackpad. thats about all i'm going to say.
Baka94
I'm actually having mostly hard time finding maps that have a suitable difficulty for me, because you can't always trust on the star rating on the map. It might be possible that something else is also preventing me from improving, but I just don't have any idea what it could be :/
Yuudachi-kun
Or you could just stop being fucking apprehensive and play the map anyways to find out if it's for you
Baka94

Khelly wrote:

Or you could just stop being fucking apprehensive and play the map anyways to find out if it's for you
I can't really say if your post was supposed to be a reply to me, but anyway...

For me it's not about begin apprehensive. It's mostly about keeping the game interesting. If the maps you play don't get too hard too fast and you "hit a wall", you end up grinding difficult maps over and over again, which is very boring for me.
Yuudachi-kun
You're just saying that you can't find a map at a difficulty for you. Play the god damn maps at the difficulty you think is right then decide if you want to play it some more or not. It's not that hard.
Deva

Baka94 wrote:

It might be possible that something else is also preventing me from improving
Yes, you arent playing enough.
Baka94

HK_ wrote:

Yes, you arent playing enough.
Not quiet what I meant. I do play osu! almost every day c:
Yuudachi-kun
I can play for 20 minutes and call that everyday too
Baka94

Khelly wrote:

I can play for 20 minutes and call that everyday too
True. I usually play whenever I don't have anything else to do. I usually play in a several short "sessions" (usually 5-10 sessions where I play 3-7 maps depending on the length of the maps) in one day. If I happen to play multiplayer with my friends I might play longer than that depending on how long others want to play. So, I'd say that the average playing time per day would be something between 30 min - 90 min. How long you think I should be playing per day? And should I keep "break days" where I don't play much or at all?
Yuudachi-kun
3 hours a day no long breaks if you want to actually improve and not see mediocre results.
Endaris
Session length of 60min and above is advisable for rapid improvement if you don't do any specific warmup before as you will need 15-30min before you actually get warm. If you stop playing once you warmed up you're not really going to get results.
Personally I tend to do a lot worse if I do a second session on the same day if the first one was long(=90min+) cause my fingers have kind of given up or something.
Deva

Khelly wrote:

3 hours a day no long breaks if you want to actually improve and not see mediocre results.
2 hours a day is ok too but anything bellow that is just dumb and waste of time
Yuudachi-kun
I wouldn't trust 2, but only because it takes me an hour to warm up.
Baka94
Okay, thanks. I'll have to see if I can find enough time to play that long, possibly leaving out some other stuff I do every now and then to be able to play longer in one go. I also still need to figure out how long it takes me to warm up.
CornSoda

Endaris wrote:

Session length of 60min and above is advisable for rapid improvement if you don't do any specific warmup before as you will need 15-30min before you actually get warm. If you stop playing once you warmed up you're not really going to get results.
Personally I tend to do a lot worse if I do a second session on the same day if the first one was long(=90min+) cause my fingers have kind of given up or something.
Gee, no wonders why I suck so much. But really I am improving even if I am not doing 60 mins or more a day. But I play more games that I'm rapidly getting better at, like Geometry Dash. So I don't play as much osu! as I used to. Not saying I will leave anytime soon, just will be playing less :arrow: k that's all I got
Baka94
I've been playing in longer sessions (~60min) and I have noticed that after some point I start performing worse than usual. My performance does increase during warm up, but some time after that it just suddenly drops at some point. Anyone have any idea why this happens?
Mahogany
Are you getting mad?
Are you playing new maps or playing maps you've already played?
Are you getting bored/tired?
Do you have attention span issues?
Yuudachi-kun

Baka94 wrote:

I've been playing in longer sessions (~60min) and I have noticed that after some point I start performing worse than usual. My performance does increase during warm up, but some time after that it just suddenly drops at some point. Anyone have any idea why this happens?
When that happened I stopped playing for fcs and pp and started playing fun, challenging maps ranked or unranked.
Ambient
Play to have a good time fam, it's not all about ranks but to some people it is and if you can get passed that everything becomes a whole lot funner and less salty.
StixStix
How i get better was just play the game for fun, i did not bother about AR,OD,Hp and blah blah. But of course, song category would be by difficulty so that it is easier to navigate through songs. For 1.5 years i did not even know(like legit) what is AR and stuff and continued playing till i actually went to YouTube and found some amazing streamers and when i knew what the options were, i saw that most of the maps i did was AR, 8-9 and was playing about 5 star. That's how i did it and sorry for trashy English. <3
- Demi -
I think you did a good job and i appreciate the guide !! Also the thing i find hard to understand is the motion thing with Ehh Less movement xD hard to explain when i dont understand iT but i think that thats my problem xD
Baka94
I noticed something pretty odd. For two days I made huge improvement and next two days seemed like I lost all the improvement I've made (I've actually played worse than usual). I played almost the entire day on all four days. I don't know if this is normal, but I just find it kind of odd that you suddenly can't play as well as you did a few days before regardless of playing for hours. You surely have enough time to warm up.
Deva
You just played too much and were tired.
Baka94

HK_ wrote:

You just played too much and were tired.
Does it really take that long to "recover"? I did sleep like 8-9 hours every night. Shouldn't you easily "recover" in that time?
Deva
It really depends on how much did you tire yourself out.
For example once i played 200bpm deathstreams for something like 3-4 hours and for the next 2 days i couldnt tap properly at all.

Im guessing that you didnt go that far as i did so break for 1 day will probably do it.
Mahogany
Once it took my hands a full week to recover from me being retarded and playing far too long
Deva
What did you do to end up like that?
Mahogany
I played hardcore for like 8 hours

And my hands had started hurting at the 4 hour mark

I'm so lucky I don't have RSI
Baka94

Mahogany wrote:

Once it took my hands a full week to recover from me being retarded and playing far too long

Mahogany wrote:

I played hardcore for like 8 hours

And my hands had started hurting at the 4 hour mark
Might take me that long too. I played ~8 hours on two days in a row. Not as hardcore as you did, but that's expected as I'm not as experienced played and I probably have less stamina too. I took the one day break like suggested and now I'm performing worse than before the break. Playing feels really difficult all of a sudden... Or could there be another reason why this is happening?

EDIT: Okay, I haven't recovered yet. My hand started hurting after playing one ~3 min map in a multiplayer (~3.5* probably) :/
Mahogany
If one day doesn't do it, come back in 3 days. That tends to work for me usually.
Rehantion
For me.. Improving hard diff to insane diff is kinda hard.
Idk why, but sometimes i play insane diff i got good perform, and sometimes got a really really bad perform.
Baka94

Rehantion wrote:

For me.. Improving hard diff to insane diff is kinda hard.
Idk why, but sometimes i play insane diff i got good perform, and sometimes got a really really bad perform.
Have you tried "warming up" before moving insane diff? When you start playing, play 30-60 min hard diffs (or longer if needed) to warm up and then start moving towards insane diffs. Another big help is sitting right and using headphones (removes surrounding distractions such as keyboard mashing sounds). I have noticed that if I sit right (not leaning back or hunched over), I can perform better. Another thing is that you need to sit in a high enough chair to be able to have your shoulders relaxed and try to have your wrists straight. These have helped me, so try them and see if they are helping (of course you might not see the effects right away).
DeathHydra

Rehantion wrote:

For me.. Improving hard diff to insane diff is kinda hard.
Idk why, but sometimes i play insane diff i got good perform, and sometimes got a really really bad perform.
Don't look at difficulty name. Look at star rating instead.

Some insane diffs have low star rating so they might be easier than other insane diffs
Baka94

Baka94 wrote:

EDIT: Okay, I haven't recovered yet. My hand started hurting after playing one ~3 min map in a multiplayer (~3.5* probably) :/
Still same thing going on after 5 days of not playing osu! Should I start to be worried about this? :?
Endaris
Visit a doctor for clarity?
NanShanker69
There is no tricks that make you better. You just have to invest a lot of time into the game.
Spooky_Myon
Interestingly for me, the only case I am facing is squares. Somehow I always fail at that no matter what method i try lol.
Mahogany
Because you're looking at them as a pattern

You need to see them as individual point-to-point jumps and it gets a lot easier
Endaris
Or you just develop good muscle memory for the pattern "square".
Looking at multiple circles as patterns helps tremendously with reading.
Rather take that advice as "don't aim for the last note of the square before you hit the other ones".
Deva

Mahogany wrote:

Because you're looking at them as a pattern

You need to see them as individual point-to-point jumps and it gets a lot easier
I actually find it a lot easier to look at a square pattern as a square rather than 4 circles.
But i still get better results when bothering with each note individually so...i dont even know anymore...
Spooky_Myon

Endaris wrote:

Or you just develop good muscle memory for the pattern "square".
Looking at multiple circles as patterns helps tremendously with reading.
Rather take that advice as "don't aim for the last note of the square before you hit the other ones".

Tried that before, rather kind of worse as I don't have those kind of brain reflex, and even worse when the direction of the square changes.

Mahogany wrote:

Because you're looking at them as a pattern

You need to see them as individual point-to-point jumps and it gets a lot easier
I never see them as a pattern neither do i bother to, i always see things far apart as a 'jump' only, triangle or square.
FlutterDashXIII
Hay, thanks for the tips buddy, that helped a lot.
I put to the test that stream and slider thing and boy is it hard, but i did notice a BIG difference
(i can do a song that i couldn't do before because of a big f4k!ng stream, yay ^w^)
anyway thank you so much x3
Another Guy
I still can't get better after read this :(
Yuudachi-kun

Another Guy wrote:

I still can't get better after read this :(

Did you actually play or did you read a book and expect to get better
dGeist
Is there any way to prevent my mouse hand from stiffening up when doing beatmaps that lasts for 3 min or more without breaks?
Deva

dGeist wrote:

Is there any way to prevent my mouse hand from stiffening up when doing beatmaps that lasts for 3 min or more without breaks?
Play more and everything will get fixed. except mouse drift, that stays forever
Baka94
Do you think that playing maps that are too difficult to beat with No Fail would help improving? Of course not going from 4,5* to 7*, but something that you could beat after some practice.
Deva

Baka94 wrote:

Do you think that playing maps that are too difficult to beat with No Fail would help improving? Of course not going from 4,5* to 7*, but something that you could beat after some practice.
Imo it helps if you are playing maps that you can get decent acc one. It obviously wont help at all if what you are doing is simply a spam fest.
QueenKeara

a loli wrote:

it always disturbs me that people capitalise the o on osu!
same
Baka94

HK_ wrote:

It obviously wont help at all if what you are doing is simply a spam fest.
Yeah, obviously not like that :D
Half time probably helps with maps with complicated object order. One I have trouble with is two short sliders and then a circle. This map has a lot of them during the drop. Another one is a stack with a short slider at the end and immediately a new stack after it. I guess this is because I'm used to starting stacks and streams with my index finger and the slider usually falls on that finger and I need to start the next stack with middle finger and it messes me up ^^'

Now to next thing:
Would playing songs with fast streams be good way to learn to stream faster? I can do short fast streams (~5 circles) just fine, but longer ones I usually fall behind (slower streams I can do pretty long ones quiet easily). Another odd thing is that in some songs I can stream better than in others regardless of them having same tempo. At the moment I'm trying to get streams in ~175 BPM maps at least somewhat consistent (speed wise).
sktzz
I think you need to edit the OP because someone has SS'd The Big Black.
Mahogany
m8 I doubt the post is gonna get edited
DeathHydra

sktzz wrote:

I think you need to edit the OP because someone has SS'd The Big Black.
Please read carefully.
Nobody in the history of osu! has ever gotten an SS on The Big Black, Scarlet Rose, (insert other hard maps) on the FIRST DAY they ever played osu!
on the FIRST DAY they ever played osu!
craig57836
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semaphore
b&
NanShanker69
Nice work fam
Hibiya-chan

DeathAdderz wrote:

Nobody in the history of osu! has ever gotten an SS on The Big Black, Scarlet Rose, (insert other hard maps) on the FIRST DAY they ever played osu!
^^^^^ I'd kill myself if someone were actually able to do that on the first try (Excluding Multi Acc's of course).
Miyazaki_old_1
NICE WORK! Thank you
Sandy Hoey
TLDR. git gud
Although I can say I thoroughly enjoyed reading this and even got a good laugh out of it.
Flami
Everything stated here is so true. Kinda funny too.
Hydra48
Over the past 5 days, I've randomly ran into a problem, where I "let go" on around 50% of sliders, as if I'm not putting enough pressure on my keys or something, (It feels like my fingers are sliding off the keys sometimes) but no matter what I do I cannot fix it... Does anyone have any sort of idea for me?
Xyrus_old_1

MasterChris488 wrote:

Over the past 5 days, I've randomly ran into a problem, where I "let go" on around 50% of sliders, as if I'm not putting enough pressure on my keys or something, (It feels like my fingers are sliding off the keys sometimes) but no matter what I do I cannot fix it... Does anyone have any sort of idea for me?
If you're using a rubberdome, try switching keys regularly. They stiffen up with use, but will unstiffen if you leave them alone for a while.
Hydra48

Xyrusd0t0 wrote:

MasterChris488 wrote:

Over the past 5 days, I've randomly ran into a problem, where I "let go" on around 50% of sliders, as if I'm not putting enough pressure on my keys or something, (It feels like my fingers are sliding off the keys sometimes) but no matter what I do I cannot fix it... Does anyone have any sort of idea for me?
If you're using a rubberdome, try switching keys regularly. They stiffen up with use, but will unstiffen if you leave them alone for a while.
it has nothing to do with that since, the problem persists whenever I change keys... It has something to do with the way I'm clicking, but no matter what I do I cant find a way to fix it
Xyrus_old_1

MasterChris488 wrote:

it has nothing to do with that since, the problem persists whenever I change keys... It has something to do with the way I'm clicking, but no matter what I do I cant find a way to fix it
Try changing your hands position then, otherwise, I'm out of ideas.
Hydra48

Xyrusd0t0 wrote:

MasterChris488 wrote:

it has nothing to do with that since, the problem persists whenever I change keys... It has something to do with the way I'm clicking, but no matter what I do I cant find a way to fix it
Try changing your hands position then, otherwise, I'm out of ideas.
Okay thank you!
[ S T A R ]
Any Tips on streaming?
Hacccchan
this helped, thx
semaphore

Gliscorus wrote:

My rank does not matter. My skill is proven through my gameplay, and not the rank I have achieved.
nice meme
Jinn
pretty sure there was already a thread about this from ages ago
Jesper
tl;dr
Rank does not matter
Your fun does.
Adorn
Extremely informative post. Thank you. ;)
Zerpent
A cookiezi cookie just for you.
Well done.
lifeshifter

NotCookie wrote:

will i become cookiezi if i read all of this text? im not sure its worth it
I cry for you, sir.
stalkyh
So how the hell can i get rid of shitmissing? What can be the cause of it? Don't just say play more, i already play like +5h of osu! everyday so that is not the reason for me not building that consistancy.. And no, i am not playing only boring TV sizes, i play big variety of maps from Hollow Wings, Camellia maps, to higher and lower bpm maps.. I also play unranked maps, and I also picked up playing AR8 while ago to further improve reading. I also challenge myself playing harder maps. But i just can't get that consistancy on 4.4-5 star maps that i SHOULD be able to fc or at least get good combo with little effort..

I can see the improvement on being able to pass harder maps all the time, but i don't see any improvement in ability in being able to get higher combo on the maps i could pass.

I think someone is gonna ask now if i change my settings often. No, i haven't changed tablet area, resolution, or anything in a long time, and only thing i'm sometimes changing is skin and cursor size.

Any help? :D
Xyrus_old_1
You will always shitmiss. Playing with your ideal settings and playing more can reduce this, but there will always be inevitable misses.
stalkyh
Yes, but you can build up that consistancy so there is less shitmisses. Especially on easier maps that maps that you should be able to FC.
Endaris
The better your average accuracy is, the less likely it is to miss. I often find myself missing after I misread a pattern because I got out of rhythm and because it tilts me when I get the impression that I am mashing.
Accuracy is the best indicator of how much control you got over what you are doing and aimconsistency is part of that control. There are also people who are very aimconsistent with not-so-great acc but a correlation certainly does exist.
stalkyh
I just realized that when i'm using more fingers than wrist i am more consistant. Also having hand below the tablet makes me more consistant, than when i'm having my hand on the tablet when playing (i have large area). Also i think i need to focus a bit more to notes than i am currently focusing, to further increase my consistancy. Also i think i will start playing small cs size to improve aiming as well as play more ar8 to improve reading.

https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5558440
I just choked a play, sliderbreak at last 20 notes because i was shaking so much.. Also bit of acc choke (had 99% at first)
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