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fartownik
The 3 posts in that one game I'm not allowed to talk about were posted by accident and simultaneously with the lynch scene (sent about 1-2 minutes after it).

Everyone knows that it's not allowed to write during the Night.
Navizel
minute difference posts are usually okay. 30 miutes however...
Nyquill
me or sakura can take care of it
Navizel
So I've been thinking about this for a while.. How would a Holy Grail War Mafia work?
14 players - 11 town, 3 mafia?
There are 7 "Masters" and 7 "Servants". The 7 masters have three command spells which they can use to command their servants. Though after a master used all three, they wouldn't be able to control their servants anymore. This would make them a vanilla I guess? Another way to become vanilla is if one's servant is killed. And then I guess there's a qt link for each pairs.
Hmm.. maybe masters won't be VTs and they can still kill each other but they can't kill other servants because servants > masters

and then fucking Berserker is the most OP role because Noble Phantasm

What do you guys think?
Amianki
The "Of Gods and Men" setup I had in the queue a while back had a somewhat similar concept.

I personally think that vanilla masters getting a kill might be too much. If there's already 21 'powers' in the game, there really doesn't need to be more.

EDIT: Actually, now that I think about it, you'd have to be very careful to design it in a way that wouldn't be easily broken with a massclaim. Just by claiming what powers each pair has, it would be pretty difficult to not break the game for town.
Navizel
Well, the servants have their own powers too so I guess there's 28 powers in total...

Command spells can be used to change or block their servants' actions.

Powers won't affect alignment. A master can be scum while the servant is town or vice versa.
Amianki
The problem with having a lot of power is that you have to keep town from confirming too many people's alignments one way or the other. Massclaiming and directing night actions is very dangerous for scum if not properly planned against.
Navizel
A game that prevents massclaim?
Amianki
Actually, power role heavy games should be designed predominantly around a mass claim happening day one.
Nyxa

Navizel wrote:

So I've been thinking about this for a while.. How would a Holy Grail War Mafia work?
14 players - 11 town, 3 mafia?
There are 7 "Masters" and 7 "Servants". The 7 masters have three command spells which they can use to command their servants. Though after a master used all three, they wouldn't be able to control their servants anymore. This would make them a vanilla I guess? Another way to become vanilla is if one's servant is killed. And then I guess there's a qt link for each pairs.
Hmm.. maybe masters won't be VTs and they can still kill each other but they can't kill other servants because servants > masters

and then fucking Berserker is the most OP role because Noble Phantasm

What do you guys think?
Maybe you could use Command Spells to gain an additional vote as well. I didn't like the idea of scum/mafia servant/master pairs, but it reminds me of Gil/Tokiomi so it would probably work. Maybe you could tone Berserker down by removing his ability to vote? But giving a really crazy role to make up for that. I think massclaiming on day one would be silly - think of the fate series where the Servants try to hide their Noble Phantasm for as long as they can to be able to launch surprise attacks and prevent counterstrategies.

I imagine this could actually be a really cool idea.

On another note, could you give an example of what a role might look like? Like one master and one servant example.
Navizel
I'm thinking of preventing mass claims. In Fate series, revealing a servan't true name can put them in a disadvantage.
Instead of a scum-town pair, maybe I could just use the three to be scums and the rest are town.
I don't have any idea about the roles of a master and a servant yet. Only the three command spells one.
Maybe something like one of Shirou's command spell can suppress Saber's Noble Phantasm which is 1-shot vig or smth
Nyxa
Why not put four scums, two pairs?

Also, an idea for roles of master and servant could be:

You are Kotomine Kirei, Master from the Church, and an Executor. Your Servant is Assassin Hassan.
Command Spells - You have three Command Spells. Use them wisely.
Church Protection - Once per game, you can not be nightkilled.

You are Assassin Hassan. Your Noble Phantasm is Division. Your Master is Kotomine Kirei.
Spy - Once per night, you may target a player. If that player performs a Night action, you will know which night action it was. If you get nightkilled, your Master will be informed of that action instead.
Division - If you are killed by any means other than lynching, you do not die; but your class, name, and Noble Phantasm will be made public. Does not work against Anti-Army or Anti-Fortress Noble Phantasms.
You are Kotomine Kirei, Master from the Church, and an Executor. Your Servant is Assassin Hassan.
Command Spells - You have three Command Spells. Use them wisely.
Church Inheritance - You have one additional Command Spell.

You are Assassin Hassan. Your Noble Phantasm is Division. Your Master is Kotomine Kirei.
Infiltrate - Once per game, you may pick a player. If they are a Master, they'll be knocked out for the Day. If they are a Servant, learn all information about their role.
Division - If you are killed by any means other than lynching, you do not die; but your class, name, and Noble Phantasm will be made public. Does not work against Anti-Army or Anti-Fortress Noble Phantasms.
^Alignment-specific abilities with non-alignment specific roles/NPs would prevent any significant massclaims. I could say I'm Assassin but they'd still not know whether I'm town or scum, even if they knew I'm Assassin Hassan. In the case of Division, even if my identity is compromised, my alignment remains a secret.


Here's an example with Berserker:

You are Matou Kariya, representing the Matou family, for Sakura's sake. You are a Master. Your Servant is Berserker Lancelot.
Command Spells - You have three Command Spells. Use them wisely.
Blade Wing Worms - Once per game, you can target a player. If they are a Master, they die. If they are a Servant, you die.

You are Berserker Lancelot. Your Noble Phantasm is Arondight. Your Master is Matou Kariya.
Mad Enhancement - You went Berserk when summoned. You can not vote.
Knight of Honor - Once per Day (either during the day or night), you can target a player. If they are a Master, nothing happens. If they are a Servant, gain the ability from their Noble Phantasm, until the start of the next Day. You can only use this ability once on each player.
For Someone's Glory - Your identity, abilities, and Noble Phantasm, can not be discerned by any kind of ability, until you die.
Arondight - Cancels For Someone's Glory and Knight of Honor for the rest of the game. Target two players. The first has their Noble Phantasm revealed, and is KO'd for the rest of the day. The second dies, along with your Master.
In this case, the only differences for the scum versions could be the following:
  1. Kariya's ability is replaced with Crest Worms - You are weak. If your Servant uses an ability two days in a row, you die.
  2. Knight of Honor is replaced with Knight of Honor II - When an enemy Servant uses their Noble Phantasm on you, as long as it is an object, cancel their attack. Their Noble Phantasm is now yours, until you release it; it will then return to them. Does not work if you are already holding a Noble Phantasm.
  3. Noble Phantasm adjusted; Arondight - Cancels For Someone's Glory and Knight of Honor II for the rest of the game. Target two players. The first is KO'd, along with your Master. Their names and Noble Phantasms are revealed.
...Not gonna lie, I tried my best to balance this (with constant death looming and also having to exchange usage of the NP for your only chance to vote) but it still looks kinda OP lol. Anyway, those are some examples of how it could work. Balancing this would be pretty hard, I can already tell. Or I just suck at this.

Also, these were made assuming same-team pairs. Different team pairs would make some of this rather disastrous lol. What do you think?
Drezi
I don't think different alignment pairs would be a problem, that's where command seals could shine? well it comes down to whether you want mason pairs vs a scumteam or 2p neightbourhoods.

4 scum would be too much for a 14p game probably.
Navizel
That looks good Tess. I think I would run Fate/Stay Night instead of Fate/Zero. Considering all the powers in the game, yes, it would be hard to balance. Each pair has a neighborhood btw.

I think it's going to be a flavor only reveal
Nyxa
If you need help balancing you can also contact me. Also stay night would probably be better, the servants there are more balanced imo (f/z berserker is fucking absurd).

@Drezi: I meant this specific setup wouldn't work for different-alignment pairs. Some pairs should always be the same alignment though, for example the Berserker pair. No matter which HGW you'd base it on, Berserker should always lose voting ability, which makes him highly dependent on his Master to achieve anything. Whereas a pair like Saber or Archer could do fine with different alignments, since those are always capable of indepedent action.
Nyxa
I guess I'll set up an F/Z thing myself.
Navizel
Cool. I still have my League Upick so I don't want to worry about this for now.
Xiz
Not sure if this is the best place to put this but:

Hi, I've been playing mafia for a few years. Just found out OSU has a mafia community. Looking forward to playing with you all.
Is there like, a skype group or something I can join? Or is it more of a 'refresh till a game appears' type thing? Thx
Sakura
Well currently we are having 2 games going at a time, so a new game wont open until one of those finish, good to know there's more people interested tho ^_^
Nyquill
does anyone still have the ISo generator
Sakura
p/3288335 it's in this post
Zexion
Dunno if this is the right place to discuss it, but on the new forum layout coming soon™, we'll not appear on the front page.



I wonder if we can do something about it.
GuyInFreezer
Man this new site design makes mafia game toxic with "more pages loading if you scroll down" thing.
Navizel
It's like osu! followed last.fm's design change which made the site worse.
Amianki
I think the new site design is straight up worse in general.
Setsuen
Someone needs to start a petition to make sure that the new forum design never see the light of day again.
Sakura
Maybe we should all migrate to MS
Zexion
It' true we would be okay in MS, but I like the people and the games we have here. In MS it wouldn't just be the same.

Also it's quite obvious we aren't going to stop the forum changes... And that mafia will be almost unplayable in such forum.
Sakura
Well i in'd to mod a game together with pie on the Mini Theme queue over there, if anyone's interested, tho it might be a while until it reaches the top of the queue XD
Hika
That's just disgusting though. I hope that update seriously doesn't go through or else we're done here.
And I would rather not go to MS, I'll be too sad ):
MBomb
I've still never even been on MS, I should probably get ready for the move to there :(
-[Jess]-
once there is fully become the new forum design.I may move to MS.(I think)

like i have a abandon account in there.
Hika

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

I've still never even been on MS, I should probably get ready for the move to there :(
Most depressing thing I've read today )))):
Setsuen
Today is not my day. The train too so long to get to the stop I needed to get to and now I can't login to Epic mafia from school. I blame EM's new IP policy.
GuyInFreezer

Setsuen wrote:

Today is not my day. The train too so long to get to the stop I needed to get to and now I can't login to Epic mafia from school. I blame EM's new IP policy.
It's ok.

You lose nothing from not being there anyway.
Sakura
Who cares about EM anyway
Town of Salem is better
Sakura
If anyone here is interested me and pie currently have a game in signups on MS's mini theme queue: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p7320894 feel free to join, we're co-modding this game
Navizel
Well, that reminds me I have to play that game. After Persona 3 I guess.

also /in-d on that. We should invade that game kek
Sakura

Navizel wrote:

We should invade that game kek
Yes you should ^_^
Zexion
Well ok, that should be pretty cool.
Sakura
Your MS avatar is amazing.
Zexion
Mine?

It's only a silly joke tho...
Sakura
Idk, i look at it and find it funny
Frostings
I'm thinking of hosting an 11p closed setup, it's got some elements which are kinda hard to balance
I wonder if anyone would be willing to give up joining to help me with it :?

it's pretty gimmicky too
Hika

Frostings wrote:

I'm thinking of hosting an 11p closed setup, it's got some elements which are kinda hard to balance
I wonder if anyone would be willing to give up joining to help me with it :?

it's pretty gimmicky too
Down to help if you'd like.

For future reference, if anyone needs a review or a co-host, I'm available until February.
I have quite a bit of free time and don't mind to help anyone :p
Not willing to host my own game until then.
Sync
fuck I have a CRAVING to play again, considering playing a game on mafiascum
Hika
fucking play scrub we love u
Sync
Chamelo
(This is not related with the current league of Upick)



On 0:13

Setsuen is that you?
Xiz
^ That entire video was so hard to watch.
Hika
Getting ready to host a game but I'd like a co-host who's willing to be my bitch :*
ahahahaaha but seriously that would be nice :<
beeboy123
I will be back
Setsuen
Still LF someone to help review my Lucky Blitz Confusion mafia.
Navizel
anyone willing to review whatever I'm going to mod next
not sure what's the theme yet but it's a role madness. maybe upick
Sakura
Totally off topic but merry christmas everyone
Hika
<3

merry Christmas to my mafia family
Zexion
Merry christmas to everyone!

Is it time to revive this?
Hika
maybe February
J o_old
What is mafia?
Hika

J o wrote:

What is mafia?
t/189774
Navizel
a ded place
AutoMedic
dead mafia

dead
Hika
/in to host Mafia Restoration Project II and jump the q bc we're dead as fuck
lol
looks fun but tldr the rules/how to play
-[Jess]-

Hika wrote:

/in to host Mafia Restoration Project II and jump the q bc we're dead as fuck
Host mine first !!
I waited for so long
Hika
this works for me too
anything to revive the dead
Zexion
If you guys want to host a small player game, go ahead. We need to come back.

I'm working January and Febraury, but I could still join a game and check it periodically.
Navizel
let's do one in summer maybe

college is sucking my life
Sakura
Hi, im alive again.
johnmedina999
Yay!
Hika
where da gayme
Zexion
I wonder if we can get 9 people to play.
-[Jess]-
idk
but Maybe I can host a 9 ppl game since i am less busy in school
Ace Timing
midterms are over and I'm kinda bored so why not amirite
Hika
I'm down to host or play tbh
I just finished my most important exam lol so I'm good
Zexion
Aaaand a game's up! If this game succeds (a.k.a. we can play it normally) the mod queue should be revived. (yeah, I'll do it)
Raging Bull
So I recently receive a mail for our community to join this community mafia championship, which featured over 135 sites. The thing is that we have to pick ONE representative and that person plays for us. The rest of us can spectate, but we can't help that person. Do you think we should give it a try? I think it'll be pretty cool to spectate a game played by tons of community around the internet. Below is the message I received.


MrThingyman wrote:

Hi Raging Bull

I am addressing this invitation to you as I saw you posting in one of the mafia threads. If I've made a mistake in sending this to you, I apologize, and I hope you could maybe help point me in the right direction.

I'm hosting a very big mafia championship tournament, featuring 135 different sites, and would like to extend an invitation to your community, so I'm hoping this is the best way to go about this.

It's a super fun event that's been running for several years and it's built a lot of awesome relationships between communities and has even led to several romantic real life relationships if you'd believe it. I'd be stoked to see you guys represented, so if this invitation intrigues you, feel very free to share it with your fellow community members. Or if there is some place where I should post it, let me know.

If you have any questions, just reply back to this account. I'll make sure to check in regularly.

Link to the invitation with much more information: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1E9x ... 5p4W4/edit

MrThingyman wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

This seems interesting. I'll pass the word. Are there any past archives of games we can view to see how it played out? Thanks.
Here: http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/for ... ip-Seasons

The setup changes each season, mind you. So last season it was 17 players and various power roles, for example, while this year it's 15 players and no power roles at all.

MrThingyman wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

Just curious for the representative, no one is allowed to help him right? I'm just confirming because it's a community mafia, but also seems unfair if represented by one player, with the other part of the community unable to help.
That is correct, no one can help him. Also, if your community wishes to spectate and discuss, they should either do so in the Discord that we have or in a private chat or whatever (if they want to have their own community spectator chat, which many communities do) where the representative can't see and be influenced by their thoughts.

Do you know if there seems to be any interest thus far? :)
johnmedina999
Very interesting and cool.
MrThingyman
Thanks for posting this, Raging Bull :)

If you guys have any further questions, just let me know.
Nyquill
can our community even be considered active
MrThingyman
You've had games in the past year, so you're considered active.

And as long as you have one person who's willing to do this and thinks they can handle the activity, then you're good to go :)




Update on The Mafia Championship

Exciting news: We are expanding to 150 participating communities, which is more than last season. In fact, we may even go for 165 communities depending on how some invitations go.

On that note, if you know of a community that might be interested in participating and isn't on the list in the linked post, let me know and I'll be happy to give them an invitation: http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/7692-Season-4-The-Time-Is-Now%21?p=1070949&viewfull=1#post1070949

Since none of the representatives chosen at this point have indicated that they can only play if their game starts April 24, I have made the decision that the qualifying phase won't begin until May 1st in order to allow me more time to get everything properly organized and to get all representatives properly prepared. This will have no impact on the overall schedule for this season; the qualifying phase will still be wrapped up by early July, after which we dive into the wildcard games followed by the finale game.

Finally, to communities that haven't elected a representative yet: Remember that your deadline for electing a representative is April 23.
Raging Bull
I personally think it would be cool for someone to represent our community for the game. Just looking at the last few pages, it seems like there are people who (still?) want to play.
Nyquill
tbh I want to play noncommital games like irc mafia nowadays, I get too stressed out with an ongoing game.
Hika
what nyquill said

it's just kinda hard to keep a game going cuz i got two jobs and graduating school soon
Raging Bull
Oh well, no biggie. It is true that forum mafia games are quite time intensive. I wasn't planning on joining too due to other commitments (school etc) so it would be rude of me to force you guys. Thanks for the input. Hopefully in the future we can play more games in here or IRC again.
Hika
Yeah can we revive IRC? Would be boss.
Raging Bull
I only did IRC mafia with like 5-6 people once. Not sure if there were bigger games than that. I'm willing to join IRC if anyone makes.
Ace Timing
same
Ace Timing
well this new site design isn't exactly conducive to mafia
johnmedina999
Sadly.
Dawns
Sadly.
Raging Bull
the proportion of pippy's hand and her body/head is quite huge.

Also where is this new site design? I still have the "old" one I assume, since nothing changed for me.
johnmedina999
Here you go. This is the new website leading to this thread. You can explore from here, if you want.
abraker
anyone interested?
Sakura
do ppl even still play
abraker
we can start playing again
Hika
Our game got abandoned I’m so sad
Amianki
I'm kind of surprised this place still gets posts occasionally, tbh.
tn5421
I'm really not a fan of the new theme, to be honest.
Tupsu
shameless self-promotion on the top post in the subforum, what could go wrong.

I'm hosting a mafia game ft. mostly osu!/ex-osu! people. it'll be open setup because I got a specific request to make a noob-friendly game. the intent is to start off on approximately the 25th of June, but this is a hesitant early guess and might change depending on interest and people's availability. theme is cyberpunk, just to make it a bit more fun.

game is hosted off-site because I can't handle the new layout and because of certain GMing/moderation concerns: https://forums.tuuba.moe/viewtopic.php?pid=43142 everyone is welcome, just register for an account if you don't have one yet. please do try to be active though, inactivity kills the game.

e: game's started, but we do tend to host mafias at least twice a year (more can always be negotiated), which might be better than the current state of affairs on this subforum. for now you can sit back and enjoy the action, though.
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