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0_o
Discuss past games, future games, and anything mafia related here.

Do NOT discuss games that are currently in progress.
Mara
That medic is a spy!
Topic Starter
0_o
I'm thinking of hosting a classic mafia (open setup, possible cop/doctor/roleblocker) after one or two of the current games finish. Would anyone be interested?
Sleep Powder
Somehow make it a Tree Stump Setup and I'm in.

this isn't off-topic, mara. stay on topic.
DeathxShinigami
Nominating animask to be mod queue'd for all future mafia games.
Topic Starter
0_o

animask wrote:

Somehow make it a Tree Stump Setup and I'm in.
Would that be like, the mafia only takes away players' ability to vote instead of killing them? I dunno, that's weighted against the mafia quite a bit since they would no longer be able to eliminate people who are on to them. It would also mean cops wouldn't have to worry about being NKed since they could just tell all of their results after they die.

Nonetheless, I want to host a vanilla game or two first before getting into the more experimental setups.
Mara

animask wrote:

this isn't off-topic, mara. stay on topic.
You didn't get it.
rust45
I was planning on hosting a very bastard mod game that would make all the participants hate me when it was over.
pieguyn

0_o wrote:

I'm thinking of hosting a classic mafia (open setup, possible cop/doctor/roleblocker) after one or two of the current games finish. Would anyone be interested?
Yes please. I personally prefer open setups myself. :)
Lybydose
Post Restriction Mafia go!

I was somewhat considering running a TF2 themed closed setup game.
NoHitter

Lybydose wrote:

I was somewhat considering running a TF2 themed closed setup game.
viewtopic.php?f=68&t=57934
*cough*
Topic Starter
0_o

Lybydose wrote:

Post Restriction Mafia go!

I was somewhat considering running a TF2 themed closed setup game.
So was I :P Pretty similar to No's actually, but I was thinking of having 2 or 3 weapon options per class and let each player pick what "loadout" to use.
Topic Starter
0_o
How would you guys feel about a giant Ace-of-Hearts style Werewolf game that hopefully won't end up breaking?

For anyone who doesn't know what I mean, it's the same as mafia but with no restrictions on communication - you can send PMs, chat in IRC, etc. whenever you want.
Lybydose
Open communication is extremely favorable towards the town. You need to make the mafia extremely OP to balance it. That's why it usually ends up breaking.
LadySuburu

0_o wrote:

How would you guys feel about a giant Ace-of-Hearts style Werewolf game that hopefully won't end up breaking?

For anyone who doesn't know what I mean, it's the same as mafia but with no restrictions on communication - you can send PMs, chat in IRC, etc. whenever you want.
Also on my list for games I'm going to host is an Ace-style WWG. Who knows when I'll get to it though.

I figure this is a good list for my upcoming games (Not nessicarilly in order.) I'll take into account how much anyone says they want a specific game hosted on which ones I do next.

Host's Poison 1 (Deep in-progress.) [Last one with crazy roles unless I'm asked to host another like it.]
Mind Game Mafia (In-progress.) [Will have sequels.]
Less Experimental Mafia 2 (Signups.) [Will have sequels.]

Simple Host's Poison (Coming soon.) [Might have sequels. One role per player.]
Unnamed WWG-style game. (On the list.) [Could have sequels if requested.]
Bastard Mod Mafia (Maybe.) [Likely won't have sequels. Who would enjoy it?]
Nightless Mafia (I feel like doing another one like this eventually) [May have sequels.]

Edits to come later.
Lybydose
post restriction mafia gogo
Topic Starter
0_o

Lybydose wrote:

Open communication is extremely favorable towards the town. You need to make the mafia extremely OP to balance it. That's why is usually ends up breaking.
Well I looked back on the previous games broke for the following reasons: NoHItter (town) tricked jockey (wolf) into telling him the wolves identities after No died, then told everyone right after; townies exploited the wording of their role PMs to confirm eachother; Ace's broken ninja role prevented NKs on a wolf kill; and the host's computer blew up. I think with a carefully planned setup it could work.

As far as balancing the mafia goes:
-There would be a relatively high mafia-town ratio
-Roles would not be revealed upon death; a Coroner will be used instead.
-Contrary to the previous WWGs, I'm thinking a "no talking about the game after death" rule would be in place. There isn't a real way of enforcing it, but hopefully if it's made clear enough that it's a direct violation of the rules then the players will honour it.

If this gets enough support, I'll go over the setup here and open it up for suggestions and analysis to prevent loopholes/balance issues.

EDIT: orrr we could just wait for LS's game :P I really do want to host something eventually though, so if LS wanted to lighten his workload a bit, I'd love to give it a shot.
foulcoon
Huge WWG next please, I'm craving this.
Lybydose
The problem is that ultimately you end up with some guy that's confirmed town. Then everyone PMs that guy with their roles. If anything doesn't add up, boom - mafia (or wolves I guess). Otherwise you get a ton of confirmed townies and just kill everyone else.

Probably less likely to happen with a closed setup.
LadySuburu
Feel free to host the WWG, and I'll gladly host join it. I had it on my planned list since someone else requested me to host it at the end of one of my previous games.

Edit: Fixing a derp.
rust45
So um, I'm getting kinda tired of playing these atm and I was thinking of trying my hand at hosting. The only problem is that I have no idea how to balance roles.

Also, I would probably be more experimental with roles than even Suburu has been.
NoHitter
Generally, scum to town ratio is 1:4.
The more power roles you have for town, the more stronger scum roles you should have.

A common set-up was f9.
2 scum and 7 town
If you added a doctor and cop in town, you added a mafia roleblocker.
NoHitter
Also, LS. Three games are being hosted by you atm. And I think three games is the maximum number of games we can host given our playerbase. Perhaps maybe we should maximize the number of games hosted by someone to one to given other people a chance to mod.

Edit: We could make a queue to that extent?
LadySuburu

NoHItter wrote:

Also, LS. Three games are being hosted by you atm. And I think three games is the maximum number of games we can host given our playerbase. Perhaps maybe we should maximize the number of games hosted by someone to one to given other people a chance to mod.

Edit: We could make a queue to that extent?
If someone plans on hosting a game just make note of it, and I'll refrain from hosting another. That being said, I plan to have at least one game running at all times.

In addition, it seems we may have some new players joining in, so we will hopefully have room for more in the future.

Edit: @Rust - Assuming I'm not joining the game you're hosting, feel free to send me the setup and I'll tell you any specific problems I might see with it.
rust45

LadySuburu wrote:

Edit: @Rust - Assuming I'm not joining the game you're hosting, feel free to send me the setup and I'll tell you any specific problems I might see with it.
Thanks for offering the help, but I think the setup I just made looking pretty balanced. And my last post saying I'd be more experimental, that was a lie, as what I just made isn't too bad.

But looking over my setup, I'm kinda liking it, and I think I'll host a game once one of the current games dies.
LadySuburu
Host's Poison is done.

Mind game Mafia 1 is done.

Mind game Mafia 2 is hosted.

As posted multiple times before, the only game I'll be hosting for a while is Mind Game Mafia, and only one at a time.
rust45
Well like I said, once one of the current games dies, I'll host. So "Kinda Experimental Mafia" is looking for people to play.
Two_old
I think the overall way ace of hearts set up werewolf games was balanced and should be revisited. Just needs some changes like no ninjas (serial killer), double scan, etc. Are there even 25 people who would sign up for a game now, though?

And actually I just wrote out a whole game setup (unrelated to above) that I might end up using if the forum becomes less saturated with mafia games
NoHitter
We currently have two active games at the moment.
I think three games is what we can have the most.
I'm going to attempt a Post Restriction Mafia if you guys are interested.
Lilac
I just want to play a good game of Mafia that NoHItter hosts.

That's all really.
Rantai

Lilac wrote:

I just want to play a good game of Mafia that NoHItter hosts.

That's all really.
I concur.
Mashley
Damnit someone start a new game, all the current ones started while I was away :<
Topic Starter
0_o
I'd still be up for hosting a standard doctor/cop/roleblocker game if people haven't got bored of regular setups yet.
pieguyn
I would be interested in playing in a big traditional game, if we can get enough people. :?
Mashley
Huuge game yesplz
NoHitter
That's around 20+ players?
I highly doubt we'll get enough players.
Not to mention I bet on huge lurking.
Topic Starter
0_o
Another idea that was discussed back in the day but hasn't been done yet: osu! community mafia. PyP, but you have to pick members of the osu! community.

I'd be up for hosting, but I would probably need someone to help me with role ideas/balancing etc.
NoHitter
I was planning to host a game, but I guess I'll leave it for faceman first.
You could always ask LS. I could help you, but your concept seems interesting and I would want to join.
Lybydose

0_o wrote:

Another idea that was discussed back in the day but hasn't been done yet: osu! community mafia. PyP, but you have to pick members of the osu! community.

I'd be up for hosting, but I would probably need someone to help me with role ideas/balancing etc.
I can help with roles and stuff and backup mod if you waaaaant.

I won't be around this weekend though, dunno when you were playing to run it.
Topic Starter
0_o
Thanks Lyby, I'll take you up on that.

I was hoping to start signups today, I don't have a set number of players in mind so I'll keep signups open til I feel like it I guess. If they close on the weekend I could always start planning then go over things with you when you get back.
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0_o
Topic Starter
0_o
I've been trying to make a mafiawiki firefox search plugin but failing, anyone else want to give it a shot?
Here's the icon:
http://mycroft.mozdev.org/submitos.html
Lybydose

0_o wrote:

I've been trying to make a mafiawiki firefox search plugin but failing, anyone else want to give it a shot?
Here's the icon:
http://mycroft.mozdev.org/submitos.html
I got this work: http://mycroft.mozdev.org/search-engine ... iascum.net
NoHitter
rust's game is done.
So we have one active Mafia game atm.
One is in sign-ups, but it's not yet full.
Quaraezha
Video Game-themed Mafia please? :D
pieguyn
I wanted to host a touhou mafia, but I doubt anyone would want a touhou theme. :?

EDIT: If people are interested in this, I should specify that it will be a traditional format, but I'll have a few unique roles that I don't think have been used here that often...
Rantai
Well I can say I'm up for anything, so you're guaranteed at least 1 player :D
Lybydose
I'd play some mafia with the toohoos. Course you gotta give me Yuyuko, Sanae, Mokou, or Shiekeiekkeiekekiekiekeiiieikeiki though.
rust45
I really don't want to get into the commitment of a mafia game right now as I have school and plenty of other distractions. Maybe once I lower the amount of distractions I'll join another.
pieguyn
Oh great, Two already started a game :?

I guess I'll start mine once another game finishes, then...
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