Yeah, in that next post, try to explain why you put Germany above China and Taiwan, cuz I'm really curious.
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Basically: China has a lot of all-around players, but no particular strength. If you have a team that will perfectly play a single mod while being also good at another one, they can overplay them with no issues.Gigo wrote:
Yeah, in that next post, try to explain why you put Germany above China and Taiwan, cuz I'm really curious.
Taiwan should be S-Tier, but the fact that they tilt in almost every OWC to date is really a factor. They have given easy wins to Ukraine and Brazil in past OWCs, while teams like Germany, Korea and Japan wouldn't have done that. Past may not be a factor, but the roster is almost the exact same as the other years. They're great players, but they don't seem to be able to perform as well in tournaments.
Roster is the same as previous years? Do you mind checking what Taiwan's roster was when they lost that match to Ukraine? They were missing all of their key players! You really can't give that match as an example of how they (supposedly) underperform in tournaments.
They have given easy wins to Ukraine and Brazil in past OWCs, while teams like Germany, Korea and Japan wouldn't have done that.Didn't Japan lose to Sweden last year?
Taiwan got Snow White and Rucker back, both are monsters when it comes to tournament setting, they almost carried TW to a victory in 2013 and I think they can very well do the same or take it step further this year.
I think that was his point - they were missing all their key players in the first place.Gigo wrote:
Roster is the same as previous years? Do you mind checking what Taiwan's roster was when they lost that match to Ukraine? They were missing all of their key players! You really can't give that match as an example of how they (supposedly) underperform in tournaments.
People tend to overlook the fact that a team is only as strong as the players that show up on that weekend. A team that is unable to commit to competing each and every single week will not have the consistency to keep up with teams that do. After all, how can you be consistent gameplay wise if you're not consistent attendance wise?
I think that having your key players missing on account of them being banned due to policy infractions is a bit different than your key players missing because they can't be asked to show up. And I'm not sure how accurate of a metric an owc from 2 or 3 years ago would be, considering the rate of improvement that's been occurring.Minhtam wrote:
I think that was his point - they were missing all their key players in the first place.Gigo wrote:
Roster is the same as previous years? Do you mind checking what Taiwan's roster was when they lost that match to Ukraine? They were missing all of their key players! You really can't give that match as an example of how they (supposedly) underperform in tournaments.
People tend to overlook the fact that a team is only as strong as the players that show up on that weekend. A team that is unable to commit to competing each and every single week will not have the consistency to keep up with teams that do. After all, how can you be consistent gameplay wise if you're not consistent attendance wise?
It is pretty relevant if we're talking about the exact same players :pAlpha_00 wrote:
I think that having your key players missing on account of them being banned due to policy infractions is a bit different than your key players missing because they can't be asked to show up. And I'm not sure how accurate of a metric an owc from 2 or 3 years ago would be, considering the rate of improvement that's been occurring.Minhtam wrote:
I think that was his point - they were missing all their key players in the first place.
People tend to overlook the fact that a team is only as strong as the players that show up on that weekend. A team that is unable to commit to competing each and every single week will not have the consistency to keep up with teams that do. After all, how can you be consistent gameplay wise if you're not consistent attendance wise?
we will beat em all this year as well, dw :^)Gigo wrote:
Do you mind checking what Taiwan's roster was when they lost that match to Ukraine? They were missing all of their key players!
that just gave me some motivation, anyway. thank you
You do realize Germany almost has a completely different (and less skilled) roster right?Blue Dragon wrote:
Basically: China has a lot of all-around players, but no particular strength. If you have a team that will perfectly play a single mod while being also good at another one, they can overplay them with no issues.Gigo wrote:
Yeah, in that next post, try to explain why you put Germany above China and Taiwan, cuz I'm really curious.
Taiwan should be S-Tier, but the fact that they tilt in almost every OWC to date is really a factor. They have given easy wins to Ukraine and Brazil in past OWCs, while teams like Germany, Korea and Japan wouldn't have done that. Past may not be a factor, but the roster is almost the exact same as the other years. They're great players, but they don't seem to be able to perform as well in tournaments.
I wish you luck, but... I'm afraid motivation alone isn't gonna cut it. I'd love to be proved wrong though.Aka wrote:
we will beat em all this year as well, dw :^)
that just gave me some motivation, anyway. thank you
Lets go for the 4th crown South Korea gogogogogo 
I'm really looking forward to Cinia's performance
I'm really looking forward to Cinia's performance
You do realize Germany almost has a completely different (and less skilled) roster right?
Thats quite a bold statement. I would claim that thier roster this year is at at least as strong as last year. Germany's roster last year was pretty much very strong in NoMod/DT , but kinda weak what it came to HR/HD. The roster this year looks a lot more balanced and I somehow have a feeling that they are even stronger this year, but its all up to the performance/consistency of the new players
if by "less skilled" you mean that Germany is the only team in the entire tournament with their 8 players being in the top 200 worldwide, then yes, they are less skilled.Xayne wrote:
You do realize Germany almost has a completely different (and less skilled) roster right?Blue Dragon wrote:
Basically: China has a lot of all-around players, but no particular strength. If you have a team that will perfectly play a single mod while being also good at another one, they can overplay them with no issues.
Taiwan should be S-Tier, but the fact that they tilt in almost every OWC to date is really a factor. They have given easy wins to Ukraine and Brazil in past OWCs, while teams like Germany, Korea and Japan wouldn't have done that. Past may not be a factor, but the roster is almost the exact same as the other years. They're great players, but they don't seem to be able to perform as well in tournaments.
1. One of their players is rank 250.Blue Dragon wrote:
if by "less skilled" you mean that Germany is the only team in the entire tournament with their 8 players being in the top 200 worldwide, then yes, they are less skilled.
2. Rank and skill are two different things (which is something we all should know extremely well by now).
Yes but we've seen from last year that players new to OWC can do very well Tom94 blowing my mind last year so while it is hard to give an exact guess they're not to be underestimated especially in context of Score v2.
My point still stands. In theory they are showing to be a much more consistent team than Taiwan, and it's just a prediction.Gigo wrote:
1. One of their players is rank 250.Blue Dragon wrote:
if by "less skilled" you mean that Germany is the only team in the entire tournament with their 8 players being in the top 200 worldwide, then yes, they are less skilled.
2. Rank and skill are two different things (which is something we all should know extremely well by now).
Fair enough. I guess I am a little biased since I like Taiwan's team, but whatever... we'll see what happens.Blue Dragon wrote:
... and it's just a prediction.
Topic Starter
Updated rosters, should be complete now.
Updated ruleset, defining that we use Score V2 now.
Fixed ruleset, where "mode" has been used, while it should be "mod" when referring to HardRock, Hidden etc.
Updated ruleset, defining that we use Score V2 now.
Fixed ruleset, where "mode" has been used, while it should be "mod" when referring to HardRock, Hidden etc.
Get hyped boys! Even if some teams have weaker players and what not, there's no telling what will happen in a tournament! So, let's get hyped for our favourite team!!
P.S. I want my banner to cheer for Hong Kong
P.S. I want my banner to cheer for Hong Kong
Wait... what?! You're not gonna cheer for Australia?Athrun wrote:
P.S. I want my banner to cheer for Hong Kong
Hong Kong is where I was born, so I'll cheer for Hong Kong.Gigo wrote:
Wait... what?! You're not gonna cheer for Australia?Athrun wrote:
P.S. I want my banner to cheer for Hong Kong
If they are out, I'll cheer for Australia next
One of my friends is on the Hong Kong team, so why wouldn't I cheer for them
I also support Hong Kong and my friend -N a n a k o- But Poland is an obvious #1 for me.
About owc wiki page - there is no 'The previous title holder is X (Japan)' sentence this year, did you guys forget about it or it's still under construction and that's why.
But Poland is an obvious #1 for me.About owc wiki page - there is no 'The previous title holder is X (Japan)' sentence this year, did you guys forget about it or it's still under construction and that's why.
Yay! Chaoslitz is in the tournament and also one of my good friends! Let's hope Hong Kong can make it after group stage \:D/sables48 wrote:
I also support Hong Kong and my friend -N a n a k o-
I'd love to commentate this year again! I was the English guy.
That would be awesome
That would be awesome
Oh ok, my bad.Athrun wrote:
Hong Kong is where I was born, so I'll cheer for Hong Kong.
VnSoul wrote:
You do realize Germany almost has a completely different (and less skilled) roster right?
Thats quite a bold statement. I would claim that thier roster this year is at at least as strong as last year. Germany's roster last year was pretty much very strong in NoMod/DT , but kinda weak what it came to HR/HD. The roster this year looks a lot more balanced and I somehow have a feeling that they are even stronger this year, but its all up to the performance/consistency of the new players
sure tom is a really weak HD player... he only fc'd the tiebreaker with HD against us last year (#2 score back then)
Who are you going for this year, putting aside the differencesGigo wrote:
Oh ok, my bad.Athrun wrote:
Hong Kong is where I was born, so I'll cheer for Hong Kong.
I just want a country to win the osu! World Cup for the first time ever. i.e. anybody but South Korea and Japan.
Fortunately, judging by the makeup of their teams, it looks like most of the top South Korea and Japan players have this "been there, done that" attitude and are allowing some other top players a chance to play. We'll see if that comes back to haunt them.
Fortunately, judging by the makeup of their teams, it looks like most of the top South Korea and Japan players have this "been there, done that" attitude and are allowing some other top players a chance to play. We'll see if that comes back to haunt them.
I think players in this world cup are more skilled than ever, and can only continue improve to make future world cups even more exciting. It seems every team that is competing now all have really strong players who have the potential to perform really well in the tournament - and maybe force some upsets!
As for the viewers, I feel like this is a great tourney to watch, for experienced players, but also those who are newer or are just watching the twitch stream for the first time (wow they click so fast!). I feel like the new score system does promote a much more exciting viewing experience, and the presence of commentators can only add to the hype (https://www.reddit.com/r/osugame/commen ... ng_system/)
Even though there have been problems in previous world cups I feel like this one has been mostly hassle-free (at least to this point in time), and it's definitely come a long way with increased publicity, player skill and prize pool. Would like to commend tournament management for their efforts in improving the world cup year by year (it seems we're even getting a team video on youtube this year?) and good luck to all teams!
As for the viewers, I feel like this is a great tourney to watch, for experienced players, but also those who are newer or are just watching the twitch stream for the first time (wow they click so fast!). I feel like the new score system does promote a much more exciting viewing experience, and the presence of commentators can only add to the hype (https://www.reddit.com/r/osugame/commen ... ng_system/)
Even though there have been problems in previous world cups I feel like this one has been mostly hassle-free (at least to this point in time), and it's definitely come a long way with increased publicity, player skill and prize pool. Would like to commend tournament management for their efforts in improving the world cup year by year (it seems we're even getting a team video on youtube this year?) and good luck to all teams!
Actually, sayo and Dungeon are gone for militaryMinhtam wrote:
I just want a country to win the osu! World Cup for the first time ever. i.e. anybody but South Korea and Japan.
Fortunately, judging by the makeup of their teams, it looks like most of the top South Korea and Japan players have this "been there, done that" attitude and are allowing some other top players a chance to play. We'll see if that comes back to haunt them.
HDHR playing DnF
Bikko and ffury busy for work
Idk about Nara
(Military too bad...)
It's been for a greater good, I'm sure the shoe was tastyElscar wrote:
sure tom is a really weak HD player... he only fc'd the tiebreaker with HD against us last year (#2 score back then)
How long until banners ;W;
You didnt understand my point. What I meant was that the team is more balanced know in terms of mods. In Germany's roster last year Tom was pretty much the only one who did well on the Hidden picks.Elscar wrote:
sure tom is a really weak HD player... he only fc'd the tiebreaker with HD against us last year (#2 score back then)
no Bahrain team this year?
drawings tomorrow hype
Ok, groups have been drawn, everything is set... and so it begins!
I made a Google Sheets based on the roster of this year's OWC along with their ranking, right here: OWC 2015 Roster by PP
I'll add more clarification on to it later and maybe improvement on it.
Edit: Based on this Google Sheets from last year: OWC 2014 Roster by PP Rankings
I'll add more clarification on to it later and maybe improvement on it.
Edit: Based on this Google Sheets from last year: OWC 2014 Roster by PP Rankings
See, a match without slider acc is so great, why must slider acc be a thing ;_;
Looks good, gives a bit of comparison. Luckily in the end it doesn't come down to just rankings, so looking forward to the group stages!Aoiyuuki- wrote:
I made a Google Sheets based on the roster of this year's OWC along with their ranking, right here: OWC 2015 Roster by PP
Because I can.
Nomod:
Duca - COLD BUTTERFLY [Insane] By Zweib
Kagamine Rin - Black Rebel [0108 Rebel] By val0108
Mary - Artificial Rose [Another] By Urushi38
Kousaki Satoru - Gekiretsu de Kareinaru Hibi [Ba Ba Ba] By Zero__wind
Afilia Saga - S.M.L [Insane] By Tari
ARM feat. Nanahira - Bakunana*Testroyer [Kami's Another] By kamisamaaa (Mapset: Lami (intoon))
Hidden:
MiddleIsland - Magnetic Shift [UWS's Extra] By UnitedWeSin (Mapset: Natsu)
96Neko - Yoshiwara Lament [Insane] By Minakami Yuki
Kagamine Rin - Tokyo Teddy Bear [Rin] By NatsumeRin
Hardrock:
Uchida Maaya - Hana Tsubomi Yume Miru Kyoushikyoku ~Tamashii no Shirube~ [Insane] By Mythol
Kotoge Mai - Mangekyou [cRyo's Insane] By cRyo[iceeicee] (Mapset: Oracle)
Nekomata Master feat. *spiLa* - Clumsy thoughts [Insane] By Rizia (Kawaiwkyik)
Doubletime:
Hatsuki Yura - Ganbare! Koi no Hana [Hana] By Kotone
senya - Bondage Anemonation [Lunatic] By Satellite
Chata - anesthesia [Anesthesia] By hoLysoup
Freemod:
DJ Fresh (feat. Rita Ora) - Hot Right Now (Radio Edit) [Insane] By Asphyxia
yuikonnu - Natsu no Owari, Koi no Hajimari [Insane] By xChippy
Jin - Outer Science [Insane] By tutuhaha
Tiebreaker:
Sawai Miku - Colorful. (Asterisk DnB Remix) [Megumi] By Skystar (Amamiya Yuko)
Mappack:
Mediafire
Mega
Nomod:
Duca - COLD BUTTERFLY [Insane] By Zweib
Kagamine Rin - Black Rebel [0108 Rebel] By val0108
Mary - Artificial Rose [Another] By Urushi38
Kousaki Satoru - Gekiretsu de Kareinaru Hibi [Ba Ba Ba] By Zero__wind
Afilia Saga - S.M.L [Insane] By Tari
ARM feat. Nanahira - Bakunana*Testroyer [Kami's Another] By kamisamaaa (Mapset: Lami (intoon))
Hidden:
MiddleIsland - Magnetic Shift [UWS's Extra] By UnitedWeSin (Mapset: Natsu)
96Neko - Yoshiwara Lament [Insane] By Minakami Yuki
Kagamine Rin - Tokyo Teddy Bear [Rin] By NatsumeRin
Hardrock:
Uchida Maaya - Hana Tsubomi Yume Miru Kyoushikyoku ~Tamashii no Shirube~ [Insane] By Mythol
Kotoge Mai - Mangekyou [cRyo's Insane] By cRyo[iceeicee] (Mapset: Oracle)
Nekomata Master feat. *spiLa* - Clumsy thoughts [Insane] By Rizia (Kawaiwkyik)
Doubletime:
Hatsuki Yura - Ganbare! Koi no Hana [Hana] By Kotone
senya - Bondage Anemonation [Lunatic] By Satellite
Chata - anesthesia [Anesthesia] By hoLysoup
Freemod:
DJ Fresh (feat. Rita Ora) - Hot Right Now (Radio Edit) [Insane] By Asphyxia
yuikonnu - Natsu no Owari, Koi no Hajimari [Insane] By xChippy
Jin - Outer Science [Insane] By tutuhaha
Tiebreaker:
Sawai Miku - Colorful. (Asterisk DnB Remix) [Megumi] By Skystar (Amamiya Yuko)
Mappack:
Mediafire
Mega
Good job.Aoiyuuki- wrote:
I made a Google Sheets based on the roster of this year's OWC along with their ranking, right here: OWC 2015 Roster by PP
I'll add more clarification on to it later and maybe improvement on it.
Edit: Based on this Google Sheets from last year: OWC 2014 Roster by PP Rankings
Greece and Ukraine with higher average ranking than Japan. FailFish
Just to clarify, I believe you're referring to my roster ranking which averages all of the players of the team. Japan has players that rank as low as 3k, dropping the average of the Japanese teams slightly lower than Greece and Ukraine.Gigo wrote:
Good job.Aoiyuuki- wrote:
I made a Google Sheets based on the roster of this year's OWC along with their ranking, right here: OWC 2015 Roster by PP
I'll add more clarification on to it later and maybe improvement on it.
Edit: Based on this Google Sheets from last year: OWC 2014 Roster by PP Rankings
Greece and Ukraine with higher average ranking than Japan. FailFish
In terms of starting roster, I don't believe I put them higher.
Suggestion
Can someone please add spoilerboxes or split the main wiki page into several subpages pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease?
It is god awful to scroll through eternity just to look up a tiny something
And this will get worse as more mappools and tournament results gets added
It is god awful to scroll through eternity just to look up a tiny something
And this will get worse as more mappools and tournament results gets added
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My bad D:. Guess I just ignored its existence since its seriously hard to use imoCXu wrote:
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Topic Starter
Mappool and schedule are out~ Check the wiki for more info.
https://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Osu!_World_Cup_ ... roup_Stage
There is a mistake
Saturday, 5. November 2015 and Sunday, 6. November 2015
instead of
Saturday, 7. November 2015 and Sunday, 8. November 2015
There is a mistake
Saturday, 5. November 2015 and Sunday, 6. November 2015
instead of
Saturday, 7. November 2015 and Sunday, 8. November 2015
Topic Starter
wow, thanks. fixed that. (I was looking on December.. lol)
Is this the year that Hong Kong will make it to the next round??????? WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
My first year playing and im going to miss 2 of my matches, great way to start off :^)
nz is actually +13gmt due to dst, so is aus too i believe
not a big deal though
not a big deal though
Topic Starter
Oh, did you switch already? Common websites reported me that you are actually still on +12/+10 respectively
That OD 10 map is goooood shit, died with a FC 95%. Top HR teams pick this nekomata master map 4 easy win.
HONG KONG HAS A CHANCE THIS YEARMakan1 wrote:
Hong Kong pls get out of group stage this year! orz
DDDFinally Malaysia vs Australia again after 3 years
Poland vs Canada 
Rigged!
Rigged!
We all know that Canada will crush Poland Kappa[Taiga] wrote:
Poland vs Canada
Rigged!
welp much dilemma on who to support now lelKaruta- wrote:
Finally Malaysia vs Australia again after 3 years
Wont there be any kind of mappool discussion thread this year?
other world cups also had none and tbh I didn't see why they had a seperate thread/people didn't use it the intended way
Clumsy Thoughts as a HR is a bad pick. The HP drain without HR is already 7.5, with HR one miss combined with slow pace of the map almost guarantees that you won't revive until the end of the match. This shouldn't really happen and people will be either banning this map or just not picking it since it's really random.
So I guess we'll just spam maprelated issues in here?Nwolf wrote:
other world cups also had none and tbh I didn't see why they had a seperate thread/people didn't use it the intended way
This informative post will be deleted anyway, just move along
Well the OWC from the previous years always got a seperate thread to discuss the mappools so you are wrongNwolf wrote:
other world cups also had none and tbh I didn't see why they had a seperate thread/people didn't use it the intended way
there has been only one for 2014 and I assume that they had reasons to not continue it for the other world cups and this one. Check your facts pleaseVnSoul wrote:
Well the OWC from the previous years always got a seperate thread to discuss the mappools so you are wrongNwolf wrote:
other world cups also had none and tbh I didn't see why they had a seperate thread/people didn't use it the intended way
But it's sooooo slow and easy to aim so misses shouldn't be a problem? It's not like you 100% die when having SSfartownik wrote:
Clumsy Thoughts as a HR is a bad pick. The HP drain without HR is already 7.5, with HR one miss combined with slow pace of the map almost guarantees that you won't revive until the end of the match. This shouldn't really happen and people will be either banning this map or just not picking it since it's really random.
I'd say this can be a good tactical move for some of the teams.
You can still die with an FC, one bad stream will kill you and you can't revive.
ive died everysingle time on the HR picks using score v2 :C
Hopefully they fix drain before v2 goes live. At least with v1 the maps where SS'ing barely keeps up/stays ahead of HP10 aren't overly common. As much as group stages are already going to be acc battles from the looks of things it will be sad to see failures without combo breaking.KevEz wrote:
ive died everysingle time on the HR picks using score v2 :C
Learn to acc
Nothing changes in the maps in terms of rhythm
Nothing changes in the maps in terms of rhythm
why is there a 4* map in hd pool?
I know that one, it is pretty hard to read with HD. Rather a technical pick too so I think it was added for a sake of variety. Certainly not as easy as it looks just look at the Top50 and consider the overall accuracy people got with OD7 in mind.
We knew the group stage pool would be relatively easy right?
We knew the group stage pool would be relatively easy right?
i don't see what the problem with these maps are because there is a veto/ban option in this tournament
don't assume everyone else is the same as you if you can't pass or something
don't assume everyone else is the same as you if you can't pass or something
I thought that having some way of reviving was a given for the maps in the mappool.
While I agree that there have to be some more difficult picks, I dont think that having a non-revivable map in the pool is any good. That just kind of forces one of the teams to either gamble on "man, maybe I wont die this time" or ban it (and thus, giving up a slot that might help them with a planned strategy).
While I agree that there have to be some more difficult picks, I dont think that having a non-revivable map in the pool is any good. That just kind of forces one of the teams to either gamble on "man, maybe I wont die this time" or ban it (and thus, giving up a slot that might help them with a planned strategy).
Hello, I have a question about wiki page:
Is there a reason for this information not present on wiki page for this year's cup?
Is there a reason for this information not present on wiki page for this year's cup?
Octoberous
Hi subara, hype this map
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/237995
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/237995
A 4.25 stars map can be as difficult as a 5.25 stars map, it just depends on the mapping style itself.a loli wrote:
why is there a 4* map in hd pool?
For example 0108's maps like with a dance number or scarlet rose which are mostly under 5.25 stars are difficult to play or FC, because it requires technical skills.
Just keep in mind that star rating doesn't really mean anything in terms of difficulty for many cases.
Just played the HR pool sv2. You'd have to be garbage not to pass tsubomi or mangekyou. Unless they literally changed something in past day that I'm unaware of sv2 doesn't appear to have anything to do with it.
Sorry we cant all be perfect like you. HP drain 2 stronkchainpullz wrote:
Just played the HR pool sv2. You'd have to be garbage not to pass tsubomi or mangekyou. Unless they literally changed something in past day that I'm unaware of sv2 doesn't appear to have anything to do with it.
The discussion is about Clumsy Thoughts only.chainpullz wrote:
Just played the HR pool sv2. You'd have to be garbage not to pass tsubomi or mangekyou. Unless they literally changed something in past day that I'm unaware of sv2 doesn't appear to have anything to do with it.
Yeah, I agree with that one. Was mostly directing my comment at KevEz tossing the other two in with it. You can get below 90% accuracy with misses and still pass the other two. Clumsy Thoughts is hard enough to pass in sv1. I think its the map and not sv2.fartownik wrote:
The discussion is about Clumsy Thoughts only.chainpullz wrote:
Just played the HR pool sv2. You'd have to be garbage not to pass tsubomi or mangekyou. Unless they literally changed something in past day that I'm unaware of sv2 doesn't appear to have anything to do with it.
it's 4.08 actually. The only thing this map has for difficulty is its low AR on hd, the map itself is easy compared to the other picksCherry Blossom wrote:
A 4.25 stars map can be as difficult as a 5.25 stars map, it just depends on the mapping style itself.a loli wrote:
why is there a 4* map in hd pool?
For example 0108's maps like with a dance number or scarlet rose which are mostly under 5.25 stars are difficult to play or FC, because it requires technical skills.
Just keep in mind that star rating doesn't really mean anything in terms of difficulty for many cases.
and I don't see the problem with clumsy thought. Who doesn't like knowing they're dying a slow death as soon as they miss or hit multiple 100s in a row?
ftfy, sorry, could not resista loli wrote:
and I don't see the problem with clumsy thought. Who doesn't like knowing they're dying a fast death as soon as they miss or hit multiple 100s in a row?
No, but seriously. If its only one map, where is the problem? Ban or ignore it, and you should be fine. In my opinion, its a very strategical pick and adds a little more flavour into the mappool. Just my 2 cents, i could be very far off.
It's less of a "oh, we're better than the others at this, lets pick this so that we win!" but more of a "so, either we ban this and do us and our enemies a favour or hope that noone picks it - because we can fail even if we FC this". Kinda more risky than it's worth.[TaikoTori] wrote:
In my opinion, its a very strategical pick and adds a little more flavour into the mappool. Just my 2 cents, i could be very far off.
Or well, maybe youre playing the shit out of the map so that youre confident enough to play and not fail after a few 100s (and hope that the others fail).
So if you're russia you leave it open and if you're anyone else you ban it?Yauxo wrote:
It's less of a "oh, we're better than the others at this, lets pick this so that we win!" but more of a "so, either we ban this and do us and our enemies a favour or hope that noone picks it - because we can fail even if we FC this". Kinda more risky than it's worth.[TaikoTori] wrote:
In my opinion, its a very strategical pick and adds a little more flavour into the mappool. Just my 2 cents, i could be very far off.
Or well, maybe youre playing the shit out of the map so that youre confident enough to play and not fail after a few 100s (and hope that the others fail).
Gotta play that roulette mang. But honestly i love sseeing some acc battles, maybe we're going to see multiple FCs... so what? It's a rhythm game after all. (Just waiting for someone to SS that dang HR map).chainpullz wrote:
So if you're russia you leave it open and if you're anyone else you ban it?
E: Also hyped to see Finland getting a group they can pass, H Y P E
It's a strategical pick. It's 100% about reading and managing changes of pace. Hidden enforces this specific difficulty further which is why this map becomes hard enough(for HR/nomod/freemod this would be a joke indeed). Maybe I'm leaning out a bit far but I'm very sure that we won't see 8 and probably not even 4 FCs on it when it gets picked and it might even draw bans from teams that consider themselves bad at Hidden as it is the map that attacks weaknesses in reading HD the most due to its style.a loli wrote:
it's 4.08 actually. The only thing this map has for difficulty is its low AR on hd, the map itself is easy compared to the other picks
Why not add a 7* map to the pool too. I don't see the problem, teams can just ban it if they can't play it!
Having vetos is not an excuse to put gimmick map picks into the pool.
Having vetos is not an excuse to put gimmick map picks into the pool.
.-. mb ur missing the point of a 'strategic pick' have you seen the CTB WC? they had some ar7map which no one could play. they always add one or two interesting maps and I would be curious to see how this map is picked
Doesn't even need to be 7*. Just toss save the queen into the map pool. LOLa loli wrote:
Why not add a 7* map to the pool too. I don't see the problem, teams can just ban it if they can't play it!
Having vetos is not an excuse to put gimmick map picks into the pool.
But seriously, every map as it is will probably come down to an acc battle considering the difficulty of the maps compared to the skill of the players. Was hoping the group stage pool difficulty would increase this year to reflect the increase in skill level of players since last year tbh.
Strategic pick or not, a pick that relies on hoping the other team fucks up instead of your own skill is a terrible way to assess the "best team"
second this, the competition has increased a ton over the span of a year. The group stage map picks are still the same difficulty as last years.chainpullz wrote:
Was hoping the group stage pool difficulty would increase this year to reflect the increase in skill level of players since last year tbh.
Regarding how you look at it you're always hoping for the other team to fuck up as there's no way to win a map without them doing so. If you picked the map cause you knew that you would perform better than they could it's also "relying on your own skill".
This is OWC so one should be able to assume that the best teams can perform on every map regardless whether it is "gimmicky" or not. The map itself is very reasonably mapped after all, we're not talking about the level of the Hyadain Chocobo-Map here. Just because it's testing a skill that is irrelevant to pp doesn't mean that it isn't a skill that puts players apart from each other.
Maybe it's just me but I would find an OWC that exclusively consists of Fycho's J-Pop Insanes of appropriate star diff extremely unappealing. While Fycho maps are usually pretty good it would be boring due to the same style all the way through and it wouldn't be about "who is the best at any type of map?" but "who is the best at Fycho maps?". I prefer the former and I like the pick by the map selectors. Looking forward to this map getting played.
This is OWC so one should be able to assume that the best teams can perform on every map regardless whether it is "gimmicky" or not. The map itself is very reasonably mapped after all, we're not talking about the level of the Hyadain Chocobo-Map here. Just because it's testing a skill that is irrelevant to pp doesn't mean that it isn't a skill that puts players apart from each other.
Maybe it's just me but I would find an OWC that exclusively consists of Fycho's J-Pop Insanes of appropriate star diff extremely unappealing. While Fycho maps are usually pretty good it would be boring due to the same style all the way through and it wouldn't be about "who is the best at any type of map?" but "who is the best at Fycho maps?". I prefer the former and I like the pick by the map selectors. Looking forward to this map getting played.