Yeah, in that next post, try to explain why you put Germany above China and Taiwan, cuz I'm really curious.
Basically: China has a lot of all-around players, but no particular strength. If you have a team that will perfectly play a single mod while being also good at another one, they can overplay them with no issues.Gigo wrote:
Yeah, in that next post, try to explain why you put Germany above China and Taiwan, cuz I'm really curious.
They have given easy wins to Ukraine and Brazil in past OWCs, while teams like Germany, Korea and Japan wouldn't have done that.Didn't Japan lose to Sweden last year?
I think that was his point - they were missing all their key players in the first place.Gigo wrote:
Roster is the same as previous years? Do you mind checking what Taiwan's roster was when they lost that match to Ukraine? They were missing all of their key players! You really can't give that match as an example of how they (supposedly) underperform in tournaments.
I think that having your key players missing on account of them being banned due to policy infractions is a bit different than your key players missing because they can't be asked to show up. And I'm not sure how accurate of a metric an owc from 2 or 3 years ago would be, considering the rate of improvement that's been occurring.Minhtam wrote:
I think that was his point - they were missing all their key players in the first place.Gigo wrote:
Roster is the same as previous years? Do you mind checking what Taiwan's roster was when they lost that match to Ukraine? They were missing all of their key players! You really can't give that match as an example of how they (supposedly) underperform in tournaments.
People tend to overlook the fact that a team is only as strong as the players that show up on that weekend. A team that is unable to commit to competing each and every single week will not have the consistency to keep up with teams that do. After all, how can you be consistent gameplay wise if you're not consistent attendance wise?
It is pretty relevant if we're talking about the exact same players :pAlpha_00 wrote:
I think that having your key players missing on account of them being banned due to policy infractions is a bit different than your key players missing because they can't be asked to show up. And I'm not sure how accurate of a metric an owc from 2 or 3 years ago would be, considering the rate of improvement that's been occurring.Minhtam wrote:
I think that was his point - they were missing all their key players in the first place.
People tend to overlook the fact that a team is only as strong as the players that show up on that weekend. A team that is unable to commit to competing each and every single week will not have the consistency to keep up with teams that do. After all, how can you be consistent gameplay wise if you're not consistent attendance wise?
we will beat em all this year as well, dw :^)Gigo wrote:
Do you mind checking what Taiwan's roster was when they lost that match to Ukraine? They were missing all of their key players!
You do realize Germany almost has a completely different (and less skilled) roster right?Blue Dragon wrote:
Basically: China has a lot of all-around players, but no particular strength. If you have a team that will perfectly play a single mod while being also good at another one, they can overplay them with no issues.Gigo wrote:
Yeah, in that next post, try to explain why you put Germany above China and Taiwan, cuz I'm really curious.
Taiwan should be S-Tier, but the fact that they tilt in almost every OWC to date is really a factor. They have given easy wins to Ukraine and Brazil in past OWCs, while teams like Germany, Korea and Japan wouldn't have done that. Past may not be a factor, but the roster is almost the exact same as the other years. They're great players, but they don't seem to be able to perform as well in tournaments.
I wish you luck, but... I'm afraid motivation alone isn't gonna cut it. I'd love to be proved wrong though.Aka wrote:
we will beat em all this year as well, dw :^)
that just gave me some motivation, anyway. thank you
You do realize Germany almost has a completely different (and less skilled) roster right?
if by "less skilled" you mean that Germany is the only team in the entire tournament with their 8 players being in the top 200 worldwide, then yes, they are less skilled.Xayne wrote:
You do realize Germany almost has a completely different (and less skilled) roster right?Blue Dragon wrote:
Basically: China has a lot of all-around players, but no particular strength. If you have a team that will perfectly play a single mod while being also good at another one, they can overplay them with no issues.
Taiwan should be S-Tier, but the fact that they tilt in almost every OWC to date is really a factor. They have given easy wins to Ukraine and Brazil in past OWCs, while teams like Germany, Korea and Japan wouldn't have done that. Past may not be a factor, but the roster is almost the exact same as the other years. They're great players, but they don't seem to be able to perform as well in tournaments.
1. One of their players is rank 250.Blue Dragon wrote:
if by "less skilled" you mean that Germany is the only team in the entire tournament with their 8 players being in the top 200 worldwide, then yes, they are less skilled.
My point still stands. In theory they are showing to be a much more consistent team than Taiwan, and it's just a prediction.Gigo wrote:
1. One of their players is rank 250.Blue Dragon wrote:
if by "less skilled" you mean that Germany is the only team in the entire tournament with their 8 players being in the top 200 worldwide, then yes, they are less skilled.
2. Rank and skill are two different things (which is something we all should know extremely well by now).
Fair enough. I guess I am a little biased since I like Taiwan's team, but whatever... we'll see what happens.Blue Dragon wrote:
... and it's just a prediction.
Wait... what?! You're not gonna cheer for Australia?Athrun wrote:
P.S. I want my banner to cheer for Hong Kong
Hong Kong is where I was born, so I'll cheer for Hong Kong.Gigo wrote:
Wait... what?! You're not gonna cheer for Australia?Athrun wrote:
P.S. I want my banner to cheer for Hong Kong
Yay! Chaoslitz is in the tournament and also one of my good friends! Let's hope Hong Kong can make it after group stage \:D/sables48 wrote:
I also support Hong Kong and my friend -N a n a k o-
Oh ok, my bad.Athrun wrote:
Hong Kong is where I was born, so I'll cheer for Hong Kong.
VnSoul wrote:
You do realize Germany almost has a completely different (and less skilled) roster right?
Thats quite a bold statement. I would claim that thier roster this year is at at least as strong as last year. Germany's roster last year was pretty much very strong in NoMod/DT , but kinda weak what it came to HR/HD. The roster this year looks a lot more balanced and I somehow have a feeling that they are even stronger this year, but its all up to the performance/consistency of the new players
Who are you going for this year, putting aside the differencesGigo wrote:
Oh ok, my bad.Athrun wrote:
Hong Kong is where I was born, so I'll cheer for Hong Kong.
Actually, sayo and Dungeon are gone for militaryMinhtam wrote:
I just want a country to win the osu! World Cup for the first time ever. i.e. anybody but South Korea and Japan.
Fortunately, judging by the makeup of their teams, it looks like most of the top South Korea and Japan players have this "been there, done that" attitude and are allowing some other top players a chance to play. We'll see if that comes back to haunt them.
It's been for a greater good, I'm sure the shoe was tastyElscar wrote:
sure tom is a really weak HD player... he only fc'd the tiebreaker with HD against us last year (#2 score back then)
You didnt understand my point. What I meant was that the team is more balanced know in terms of mods. In Germany's roster last year Tom was pretty much the only one who did well on the Hidden picks.Elscar wrote:
sure tom is a really weak HD player... he only fc'd the tiebreaker with HD against us last year (#2 score back then)