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Karuta-_old_1
Finally Malaysia vs Australia again after 3 years
-Makishima S-
Poland vs Canada :|
Rigged!
Athrun

[Taiga] wrote:

Poland vs Canada :|
Rigged!
We all know that Canada will crush Poland Kappa
kuur0

Karuta- wrote:

Finally Malaysia vs Australia again after 3 years
welp much dilemma on who to support now lel
Yauxo
Wont there be any kind of mappool discussion thread this year?
Nwolf
other world cups also had none and tbh I didn't see why they had a seperate thread/people didn't use it the intended way
fartownik
Clumsy Thoughts as a HR is a bad pick. The HP drain without HR is already 7.5, with HR one miss combined with slow pace of the map almost guarantees that you won't revive until the end of the match. This shouldn't really happen and people will be either banning this map or just not picking it since it's really random.
Yauxo

Nwolf wrote:

other world cups also had none and tbh I didn't see why they had a seperate thread/people didn't use it the intended way
So I guess we'll just spam maprelated issues in here?
Rori Vidi Veni
This informative post will be deleted anyway, just move along
VnSoul

Nwolf wrote:

other world cups also had none and tbh I didn't see why they had a seperate thread/people didn't use it the intended way
Well the OWC from the previous years always got a seperate thread to discuss the mappools so you are wrong
Nwolf

VnSoul wrote:

Nwolf wrote:

other world cups also had none and tbh I didn't see why they had a seperate thread/people didn't use it the intended way
Well the OWC from the previous years always got a seperate thread to discuss the mappools so you are wrong
there has been only one for 2014 and I assume that they had reasons to not continue it for the other world cups and this one. Check your facts please
Kert

fartownik wrote:

Clumsy Thoughts as a HR is a bad pick. The HP drain without HR is already 7.5, with HR one miss combined with slow pace of the map almost guarantees that you won't revive until the end of the match. This shouldn't really happen and people will be either banning this map or just not picking it since it's really random.
But it's sooooo slow and easy to aim so misses shouldn't be a problem? It's not like you 100% die when having SS
I'd say this can be a good tactical move for some of the teams.
MiruHong
You can still die with an FC, one bad stream will kill you and you can't revive.
Te Amo
ive died everysingle time on the HR picks using score v2 :C
chainpullz

KevEz wrote:

ive died everysingle time on the HR picks using score v2 :C
Hopefully they fix drain before v2 goes live. At least with v1 the maps where SS'ing barely keeps up/stays ahead of HP10 aren't overly common. As much as group stages are already going to be acc battles from the looks of things it will be sad to see failures without combo breaking.
Kert
Learn to acc
Nothing changes in the maps in terms of rhythm
buny
why is there a 4* map in hd pool?
MiruHong
Cause fuck you - Sincerely the map pool selectors
Endaris
I know that one, it is pretty hard to read with HD. Rather a technical pick too so I think it was added for a sake of variety. Certainly not as easy as it looks just look at the Top50 and consider the overall accuracy people got with OD7 in mind.
We knew the group stage pool would be relatively easy right?
shortpotato
i don't see what the problem with these maps are because there is a veto/ban option in this tournament

don't assume everyone else is the same as you if you can't pass or something
Yauxo
I thought that having some way of reviving was a given for the maps in the mappool.

While I agree that there have to be some more difficult picks, I dont think that having a non-revivable map in the pool is any good. That just kind of forces one of the teams to either gamble on "man, maybe I wont die this time" or ban it (and thus, giving up a slot that might help them with a planned strategy).
Kradfiz
Hello, I have a question about wiki page:
Is there a reason for this information not present on wiki page for this year's cup?

Octoberous
Hi subara, hype this map
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/237995
Cherry Blossom

a loli wrote:

why is there a 4* map in hd pool?
A 4.25 stars map can be as difficult as a 5.25 stars map, it just depends on the mapping style itself.
For example 0108's maps like with a dance number or scarlet rose which are mostly under 5.25 stars are difficult to play or FC, because it requires technical skills.

Just keep in mind that star rating doesn't really mean anything in terms of difficulty for many cases.
chainpullz
Just played the HR pool sv2. You'd have to be garbage not to pass tsubomi or mangekyou. Unless they literally changed something in past day that I'm unaware of sv2 doesn't appear to have anything to do with it.
Te Amo

chainpullz wrote:

Just played the HR pool sv2. You'd have to be garbage not to pass tsubomi or mangekyou. Unless they literally changed something in past day that I'm unaware of sv2 doesn't appear to have anything to do with it.
Sorry we cant all be perfect like you. HP drain 2 stronk
fartownik

chainpullz wrote:

Just played the HR pool sv2. You'd have to be garbage not to pass tsubomi or mangekyou. Unless they literally changed something in past day that I'm unaware of sv2 doesn't appear to have anything to do with it.
The discussion is about Clumsy Thoughts only.
chainpullz

fartownik wrote:

chainpullz wrote:

Just played the HR pool sv2. You'd have to be garbage not to pass tsubomi or mangekyou. Unless they literally changed something in past day that I'm unaware of sv2 doesn't appear to have anything to do with it.
The discussion is about Clumsy Thoughts only.
Yeah, I agree with that one. Was mostly directing my comment at KevEz tossing the other two in with it. You can get below 90% accuracy with misses and still pass the other two. Clumsy Thoughts is hard enough to pass in sv1. I think its the map and not sv2.
buny

Cherry Blossom wrote:

a loli wrote:

why is there a 4* map in hd pool?
A 4.25 stars map can be as difficult as a 5.25 stars map, it just depends on the mapping style itself.
For example 0108's maps like with a dance number or scarlet rose which are mostly under 5.25 stars are difficult to play or FC, because it requires technical skills.

Just keep in mind that star rating doesn't really mean anything in terms of difficulty for many cases.
it's 4.08 actually. The only thing this map has for difficulty is its low AR on hd, the map itself is easy compared to the other picks




and I don't see the problem with clumsy thought. Who doesn't like knowing they're dying a slow death as soon as they miss or hit multiple 100s in a row?
[TaikoTori]

a loli wrote:

and I don't see the problem with clumsy thought. Who doesn't like knowing they're dying a fast death as soon as they miss or hit multiple 100s in a row?
ftfy, sorry, could not resist :P

No, but seriously. If its only one map, where is the problem? Ban or ignore it, and you should be fine. In my opinion, its a very strategical pick and adds a little more flavour into the mappool. Just my 2 cents, i could be very far off.
Yauxo

[TaikoTori] wrote:

In my opinion, its a very strategical pick and adds a little more flavour into the mappool. Just my 2 cents, i could be very far off.
It's less of a "oh, we're better than the others at this, lets pick this so that we win!" but more of a "so, either we ban this and do us and our enemies a favour or hope that noone picks it - because we can fail even if we FC this". Kinda more risky than it's worth.

Or well, maybe youre playing the shit out of the map so that youre confident enough to play and not fail after a few 100s (and hope that the others fail).
chainpullz

Yauxo wrote:

[TaikoTori] wrote:

In my opinion, its a very strategical pick and adds a little more flavour into the mappool. Just my 2 cents, i could be very far off.
It's less of a "oh, we're better than the others at this, lets pick this so that we win!" but more of a "so, either we ban this and do us and our enemies a favour or hope that noone picks it - because we can fail even if we FC this". Kinda more risky than it's worth.

Or well, maybe youre playing the shit out of the map so that youre confident enough to play and not fail after a few 100s (and hope that the others fail).
So if you're russia you leave it open and if you're anyone else you ban it? ;)
Tebz188

chainpullz wrote:

So if you're russia you leave it open and if you're anyone else you ban it? ;)
Gotta play that roulette mang. But honestly i love sseeing some acc battles, maybe we're going to see multiple FCs... so what? It's a rhythm game after all. (Just waiting for someone to SS that dang HR map).

E: Also hyped to see Finland getting a group they can pass, H Y P E
Endaris

a loli wrote:

it's 4.08 actually. The only thing this map has for difficulty is its low AR on hd, the map itself is easy compared to the other picks
It's a strategical pick. It's 100% about reading and managing changes of pace. Hidden enforces this specific difficulty further which is why this map becomes hard enough(for HR/nomod/freemod this would be a joke indeed). Maybe I'm leaning out a bit far but I'm very sure that we won't see 8 and probably not even 4 FCs on it when it gets picked and it might even draw bans from teams that consider themselves bad at Hidden as it is the map that attacks weaknesses in reading HD the most due to its style.
buny
Why not add a 7* map to the pool too. I don't see the problem, teams can just ban it if they can't play it!




Having vetos is not an excuse to put gimmick map picks into the pool.
Makan1
.-. mb ur missing the point of a 'strategic pick' have you seen the CTB WC? they had some ar7map which no one could play. they always add one or two interesting maps and I would be curious to see how this map is picked :D
chainpullz

a loli wrote:

Why not add a 7* map to the pool too. I don't see the problem, teams can just ban it if they can't play it!




Having vetos is not an excuse to put gimmick map picks into the pool.
Doesn't even need to be 7*. Just toss save the queen into the map pool. LOL

But seriously, every map as it is will probably come down to an acc battle considering the difficulty of the maps compared to the skill of the players. Was hoping the group stage pool difficulty would increase this year to reflect the increase in skill level of players since last year tbh.
buny
Strategic pick or not, a pick that relies on hoping the other team fucks up instead of your own skill is a terrible way to assess the "best team"

chainpullz wrote:

Was hoping the group stage pool difficulty would increase this year to reflect the increase in skill level of players since last year tbh.
second this, the competition has increased a ton over the span of a year. The group stage map picks are still the same difficulty as last years.
Endaris
Regarding how you look at it you're always hoping for the other team to fuck up as there's no way to win a map without them doing so. If you picked the map cause you knew that you would perform better than they could it's also "relying on your own skill".
This is OWC so one should be able to assume that the best teams can perform on every map regardless whether it is "gimmicky" or not. The map itself is very reasonably mapped after all, we're not talking about the level of the Hyadain Chocobo-Map here. Just because it's testing a skill that is irrelevant to pp doesn't mean that it isn't a skill that puts players apart from each other.
Maybe it's just me but I would find an OWC that exclusively consists of Fycho's J-Pop Insanes of appropriate star diff extremely unappealing. While Fycho maps are usually pretty good it would be boring due to the same style all the way through and it wouldn't be about "who is the best at any type of map?" but "who is the best at Fycho maps?". I prefer the former and I like the pick by the map selectors. Looking forward to this map getting played.
Kert

a loli wrote:

Strategic pick or not, a pick that relies on hoping the other team fucks up instead of your own skill is a terrible way to assess the "best team"
Any hidden pick 90% of the time is the same strategy? Remove hidden from OWC?
The team choosing it relies on their own skill being better than that of the opposing team, it's perfectly fine.

Also, I agree with Endaris on the mappool. So far it's pretty pleasant to play and it doesn't feel like it's all the same stuff everywhere.
Keep it up!
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