Hula wrote:

This is the only map I have looked at within the set and I thought it sufficient to say this yup thanks

[Terror Relinquished]
In general, there are patterns which could be more polished, since they just look like wonky variants of the sort you see in high quality maps. it has been already polished please

The map also lacks a lot of structure and shapes which is disappointing from a jump map perspective. at some moment this jump can be good, not sure if good look symmetrical can be good on some jumps
00:35:553 (1) - Why wasn't this a triple or repeating slider? You shouldn't be afraid of putting a triple in here, it's 8.2 stars. probably it's really strong 1/2 there right? it really efficient with less click hold with that massive jump
00:39:393 (1,2) - These might play cool, but there's no beat on the blue tick, so it shouldn't be a 3/4 slider, but instead 1/2 sliders. that one is being 3/4 because the BG song has really different from other, so 3/4 is better, just like hold sliders
00:39:873 (3,4) - Between these there's a blue tick which could be used if you're interested. pay attention to jumps in there if im put 3/4 sliders on 00:39:873 (3) - it can be boring and repetitive 3/4 sliders before, so im putting 1/2 jump since on song has really strong beat to cover that 1/4
00:43:233 (1) - Why not a triple or repeating slider? as i said before, it can be possible if i didnt map that too much
01:06:753 (3,4,5,6,1) - This should have higher spacing or something more to distinguish from the previous 1/2 section. kinda subjective with this thing, since it's a straight flow pattern no need to increase distance
01:10:593 (3,4,5,6) - Same could be said again, but there's a different pattern here. What you could do is give both of them the same unique pattern to that particular phrase. but it can be similiar movement right? probably im focused to doing some straight movement there not really a jumpy pattern
01:14:433 (3,4,5,6) - once again, why's this mapped the same as the rest when it's significantly different. im sure im doing right thing on there
01:27:873 (11,12) - There's unmapped 1/4 between these. it's 1/6, nobody wants click 1/6 on 250bpm map
01:31:713 (12,13) - Same again, this seems weird to miss out this obvious 1/4 but include much more quiet 1/4 which you can barely hear. same like above, pay attention to the song please
01:36:993 (1,2,3,4) - These 3/4 sliders throughout the map should not be a thing. cos there's no 3/4 beat here, I know it looks cool and stuff, but it's musically incorrect. at the moment im put that 3/4 sliderend has been muted by myself so it can be interesting emphasize on song since it's really interesting beat for me
01:49:473 (1,2,3,4,5) - What is going on with this pentagon? It's so borked i don't even know. This is a highly unpolished shape. since when i made pentagon? probably im just put circle and didnt noticing that thing, im just focusing on gameplay thing, not editor look
01:50:313 (7,8,9,10) - This doesn't work well, the slider starts on a red tick and ends on the downbeat and then there's a nearly inaudible 1/4 triple played. At least the 1/2 slider should be circles instead. sometimes that pattern kinda be good with that thing
01:51:033 (13,14) - missing 1/4 again? please it's 1/6 im gonna stop mapping with 1/6 beats

01:52:353 (1,2,3,4) - You managed to do those 3/4 sliders and 1/2 sliders here, for starters that's incosistent, but them done as 1/2 sliders here is correct. but that part on non kiai part right? so im doing something different and unique, and it can be consistent for patterning
01:54:753 (11,12) - missing 1/4 again? I'm gonna stop pointing these ones out. yeah you gonna stop mention that 1/6s


I'm going to start pointing out scruffiness and stuff

02:13:953 (3,4,5,6) - This looks really amateur, things like this could easily have a shape, symmetry or structure to them, something as simple as that looks so this pattern is not okay? im gonna sure that pattern is good with that angle the jumps can be stable, im im doing that overlap with purpose so please dont hate overlapway nicer than having that gross overlapping and thoughtless jump pattern

SPOILER

02:15:393 (1,2,3,4,5) - This could be made into a straight line rather than it's current borked form with 'slider to stream', set it to 1/2, since (4) and (5) are off the line. too straight can make the map looks boring, ah that thing is unnoticeable on this diff i think
02:18:153 (1,2,3,4,5) - This should be a regular pentagon, looks scruffy. like, this looks a bit neater, but the map is highly overlapping as it is.yeah that's why im put good pattern to prevent overlap missread, im sure that pattern 100% readable since only 02:18:513 (4,5) - overlapped, less overlap for 02:18:513 (4) - to make this pattern clearly visible and more overlap on 02:18:633 (5) - since 02:17:913 (9) - has been dissapear on gameplay and i didnt want to stack this 02:18:153 (1) - because i didnt stack some jump pattern

SPOILER

For history records, the abnove looks like

SPOILER

02:19:233 (1,2,3,4,1) - Personally I'd make this more pronounced, maybe with higher spacing and increased HS volume or samples? like drum-hitfinish? the song too loud and can be supporting hitsounding even without hitsound

The map looks like it was put together without much care and with just the eye and no tools to make sure that shapes and such weren't ignored, for instance, 02:22:593 (3,4,5,6) - this could have been a rhombus (diamond), but it's totally wonk. i didnt see any rhombus or whatever, im just focusing on distance there not shape
02:43:233 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Notice here how a nicely arranged set of circles looks much nicer than before? yeah looks too rigid

SPOILER

I'm not saying do that for everything and make it all linear, but right now it just looks like an unpolished form of that. since when i mapper symmetry, i dont want map symmetry because it's boring and has limited thinking than put free style mapping

03:59:313 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - This is another part where it would be much more polished and probably play nicer if it was arranged in the appropriate polygon.

About the last part of the song

04:00:153 (2,3,4) - I cannot hear that 1/4, if it is there, it's beyond insignificant, whether or not I am being deaf or not is another question.
04:07:353 (4,5,6) - THERE IS however 1/4 here, which the above lacks, which is correct. so both are correct then

At this point, I'm not going to mod any further, but none of the jumps have any structure or reasoning behind them, they're just highly spaced jumps, which in itself is reasoned by the music, but the choice in variations in the spacing with the jumps just doesn't make sense. Also the map is extremely scruffy in terms of circle placement, shapes and the complete (?) lack of symmetry. Also there's those 3/4 sliders which I can't hear the 3/4 for, but i hear the 1/2 they're mapping over. Also just because it's AR10 and 250 bpm and nobody will seem to notice the scruffiness is it any excuse that it should be like this. thanks, if you want map symmetry map yourself, im not really interesting at them

I did not exhaustively mod every point in this map, I spent 45 minutes making this mod, which is far longer than I had anticipated. yup you have good try, my friend

I would be grateful if this mod wasn't ignored, I did put effort into this, because I've seen you have tried to rank this, and this would be for everyone's sake if these issues were addressed as a whole since I'm sure they don't only apply to this one difficulty. I can explain myself more if required. yeah atleast im explain all things for you, so im done with problem :3

Fort wrote:

1/4 = more RSI

Hula wrote:

The map also lacks high quality consistency

Beatmap Listing, Qualified Section wrote:

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During this week, there is a high chance they will return to pending if an issue is found.

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Ink Nijihara wrote:

[Terror Relinquished]

Hula wrote:

The map also lacks high quality consistency

There are tons of inconsistencies in this map, absolutely tons. Blah blah intro main point meh lets get into it.
00:16:113 (2,3) - 00:18:033 (3,4) - Relatively same noise, but the second has over double the spacing. Then it goes back to 1.2 00:19:953 (2,3) - then 2.5 so this inconsistencies unrankable? right, please im doing that thing on purpose man 00:21:873 (7,8) - and these spacing changes are totally uncalled for. All of those kicks should have higher spacing to separate from from the last pattern and emphasize the kicks. Having half being emphasized and half not is undermeaning. and it's quite have some meaning on AR10 map
Also whats with all the stacks? I mean yeah stacks are... okay but there isn't any reason for the stacking when all it does is stop you from moving and break constant flow. I know this is for the later parts, but there isn't any reason earlier for the stops. This is over all difficulties. It's especially annoying over longer sliders like 00:19:233 (1,2) - where they are played to full and for a longer time, then bam, sudden stop. it just intro time, so easy to hit, so stack is probably logic on that part, please dont hate that part
00:21:153 (5) - Missed NC and a bunch at the start pay attention at the combos please im gonna put 125bpm setting at the map so combo can be halved beats
00:26:433 (5,6,1) - If you only hit the starts, as likely done, then this is much lower spacing than 00:18:993 (6,1) - and 00:22:833 (10,1) - (ps: 00:22:833 (10,1) - should be lower than the first one, since the pitch DOES technically lower, worth pointing out since pitch relevancy is awesome) 00:26:673 (6,1) - in here has quite high pitch on music so im put high spacing too, so i didnt have any problem on here and im do same thing on here too 00:22:833 (10,1) - because this quite alot good for jumps
00:27:873 (3,4,5) - This angling is rather counter-intuitive, can't slider 4 be lower? I mean the slider points left and you have to move directly over the slider... and not only that but that's also combined with the angle from the first slider to the reverse also being dodgy, this is reasonable but both combined are a bit confusing. so you confused at that pattern, then you need to learn AR10, that that pattern is for last intro pattern so i made something different on there
00:33:153 (3,4,5,6) - All patterns like this are also counter-intuitive, 34 has a higher pitch due to the main beat of 3 00:33:153 - having the pitch rise, however 00:33:393 (5,6) - this has wayyyyyyyyyy more spacing and arguably 6 has a much lower spacing than all the other sounds in that four, so why is it higher? please man, im just prevent overlapping on there to provide good gameplay im and im put jumps on 00:33:273 (4,5,6) - because it has supported some upbeat patterning which it can be good at far jumps
Then suddenly after 00:32:673 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - you do 00:33:633 (1,2,3) - and 00:34:113 (3) - rhythmically should be two notes. This is definately designed to be really hard, you don't need to add this extra slider for no reason other then for tapping breaks, its the same musically as 00:33:153 (3,4) -
However if you do decide to ignore the top point, then 00:34:113 (3,4,5,6,7,1) - why is this curve so out of place? It's a dodgy use of leniency and if not the snap to the stream is out of line. please im doing this because after slider pattern has Stream and it can be good flow on gameplay, so it can be possible if im doing this mapping, so im okay with this
00:34:593 (1,2,3) - Arguably play here is percieved very weirdly, am I meant to snap or curve to slider 2? Either way if I play it I'm going to be moving to the down-right region so note 3 is very out of place, it should be to right of slider two, not up in a confusing corner after the last two sliders play weirdly against each other already. it's not confusing at all because you click that slider 1/2 is easy to hit then you must move to 00:35:073 (3,4,5) - , this can be best flow on gameplay
(Missed sounds 00:39:753 - 00:39:513 - ) lol i didnt hear the song when im mapping that part
00:40:053 - Definately should be a note here. im just focusing on 1/2 patterning there so i think it can be better without 1/4
00:41:553 (2,3) - Due to the shape of the slider 2, slider 3 shouldnt be higher than slider 2s line. so it can be unrankable when im put slider like that? please enjoy that more
00:43:113 (6,1) - This curve is very counter-intuitive, most the last sliders had a nice movement from the note to the slider but this has a higher angling to it, I would reduce the angle made here. that curve can be supporting jumps on 00:43:233 (1,2) - , it's really helping players to doing some back and forth movement, so yeah this is why im doing that
01:04:953 (9) - There are three different pitches here, using a reverse slider is the mediocre way to do them for easier diffs but on higher diffs three notes is preferred. oh why you didnt like this, this pattern is just like introducing of new pattern you get rid of this, probably it makes life easier
01:05:793 (3,4,5,6) - Lowering pitch = lowering spacing per note here. i didnt really get it that spacing kinda low on this super fast map
01:06:753 (3,4,5,6,1) - This is really unemphasized, 01:07:233 - has a small deep drumlike noise, it should have some spacing and definately not in the same line as the lst two notes. It removes all emphasis when there should be some to the bass sounds. Also, 01:06:753 (3,4,5,6) - They all have the same spacing but would be preffered if the sets of two were seperate, a small mini-jump at 01:06:873 (4,5) - to separate both patterns and indicate more emphasis on the pitch change would be lovely. unemphasized?? so then why im put notes like 01:06:753 (3,4) - + 01:06:993 (5,6) - + 01:07:113 (6,1) - it can be emphasize song with cursor movement
The rest of the kiai has the same things, 01:09:633 (3,4,5,6) - lowering spacing slowly etc. i tell you that spacing kinda low for fast map like this
01:13:473 (4,5,6) - Why isnt this two notes like 01:06:993 (5,6) - ? 01:13:713 (6) - = kick 01:13:953 (1) - = snare. so it's fine
01:14:913 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Having finishes here but none on the more impactful end notes is disturbing to the player. Either add them to the end to make the end impactful, or don't add them at all. but on that part still have synth sound, i deciding to not put much jumps there so it can be stable speed
01:16:833 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - You could be much more interesting with pitch relevancy here, it does down then up, allowing for a more funky spacing. It shouldn't be hard to follow the spacing changes if there is musical backup and this is a relatively calm part with lower spacing. this is why i called pitch relevancy on my mapping life
01:17:793 (1,2,3) - This plays against any play shown, isn't this curved flow? Leniency abuse is pretty annoying at best in a map already hard enough with its jumps, but also there is 1/4 following and 1/4 generally needs to have perfect flow to get into it. you cant hit that simple 1/2 slider patterning? oh boy why you hate this at all?
01:23:313 (5,6) - Lower pitch than 01:22:953 (3,4) - but higher spacing. doing same thing 01:24:993 (4,6) - it can be quite consistent

Blah blah I don't want to repeat myself, I hope you understand my view point. yup im understanding you, thanks for tell me something
/me flies

Jenny wrote:

Just as a reminder, the qualified section exists to actually improve a map after it was exposed to a larger audience, so you should at least consider when people bring up a load of suggestions towards further improving your map. That doesn't mean they hate it, but it means they care enough to want to see it improved and actually use more of its potential, as opposed to remaining as a rough and potentially unpolished draft of the original idea.

Beatmap Listing, Qualified Section wrote:

They are in "qualified" status for up to one week.
During this week, there is a high chance they will return to pending if an issue is found.

This category is recommended for people who:
Want to play cutting-edge maps.
Want to help keep map quality top-notch! (make sure to leave your feedback)

Don't think I need to post a wall on my own in here to get the point across. yup you don't need to do it, im exhausting reply them all
Map is not well polished, and if the mapper wants to change that there are plenty of people willing to help out and improve its quality and overall concept.

Ink Nijihara wrote:

if the QATs DQ then they DQ

Cerulean Veyron wrote:

Why would you come here and put efforts on your "trashtalk" about this map if you find this occurrence... "distasteful"?

Let the QAT decide, not your face.

1. First thing that comes into my mind is the ongoing 1/2 spam, while you are actually ignoring many interesting aspects of the song.
   03:53:313 (1) - Taking this as an example, this song has a lot more to offer than what you actually placed. Why did you decide to have continuous 1/2?
   
2. Another thing is, that you could emphasize certain spots of the song way better.
   00:35:553 (1) - This for instance, could somehow be distinguished from the rest? You should keep in mind that you should follow the song as close as possible, and not just have a jump map for the sake of it.
   
3. Placement is also something that could be way more polished at many spots: 03:16:593 (4,5,1) - Why is this spacing immensly bigger than the rest? It does not corresponded with the song at all, hence why it makes really less sense. Placement does really need a lot of polishing.

Irreversible wrote:

Hello Fort!

As you know, the new qualification process involves a lot of discussing with the community. This is why I'd like to give this map the opportunity to have further things talked about, seeing that people are actively giving good inputs which should be furtherly discussed.

While we are at it, let me also point out some things:

Terror Relinquished

1. First thing that comes into my mind is the ongoing 1/2 spam, while you are actually ignoring many interesting aspects of the song.
   03:53:313 (1) - Taking this as an example, this song has a lot more to offer than what you actually placed. Why did you decide to have continuous 1/2? i dont get it why this thing can be unrankable because it has same beats with really better density of maps, probably im made that to make players can stable at game when they will be deal with this again 04:00:993 (1) - so i didnt put much repetitive pattern like 04:00:993 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - too much on 03:53:313 -
   
2. Another thing is, that you could emphasize certain spots of the song way better.
   00:35:553 (1) - This for instance, could somehow be distinguished from the rest? You should keep in mind that you should follow the song as close as possible, and not just have a jump map for the sake of it. to be honest i was trying put that reverse slider on song but i think it's really sudden to expect because 00:32:673 (1,1,1,1,1) - pattern like this literally same with it and because it's a very high BPM im prefer to make 1/2 slider to prevent some missread at hish slider velocity and high Approach rate map, so why people complain this simple thing??
   
3. Placement is also something that could be way more polished at many spots: 03:16:593 (4,5,1) - Why is this spacing immensly bigger than the rest? It does not corresponded with the song at all, hence why it makes really less sense. Placement does really need a lot of polishing. 03:08:913 (6,7) - it same like this pattern doesnt it? so im put more jumps and more speed to emphasize more because on 03:15:873 (1,2,3) - has quite far jumps

I do see that these are only general comments, but they apply to basically the whole map. I can only suggest you taking a close look at the other comments and mods to make this map suitable for the ranked status.

Do not hesitate catching me ingame if you need help with something. Good luck with further processing!

Fort wrote:

i didnt ignore the song, i prefer strong one
the strong one has quite 1/2 pattern
so it can be possible if i didnt map 1/4 pattern
it makes this map more harder with more complex patterning

Enon wrote:

It don't ignored the song. This map is really fit with the song and playable!

Just it's difficult to the player who don't have high skill.

It seems like you are just blocking "very hard map"

I think you are always seems hate what that "very hard map" be ranked map.

buny wrote:

The only problem I have with relinquished is this part here,

03:30:273 (1,1,2) -

the spacing is WAY too deceiving, because the slider and note are 1/4 apart but everything else is 1/2 apart and the same spacing. The rest of the map is also mapped at 1/4 so the 1/2s are just sudden, and they caught me out in every play that I didn't remind myself they were 1/2s. yeah but looks this part can be good easy patterning part for this map, so this one can be interesting at mapping


If it wasn't for the fact that it was 8*, then it'd be fine to map like this. But it's not and throws off my flow completely for the rest of map, I'd recommend just mapping the 1/4 beats instead and use a lower spacing for that section

Fort wrote:

Extra diff can be random on mapping (different placement stuff), and the other pattern that is not consistent is fine too. As long as the rhythm is ok and playable for them. Who's fault is that? Me? Or a QAT?

1. 00:39:393 (1,2,3) - For some reason, these slider spacing is nice, but feels kinda having a aesthetic problems, maybe make it like this? The slider 01:36:993 (1,2,3,4) - in Expert looks nice though.
2. 00:46:113 (1,2,3,4) - Not so sure with this since the timeline placement is actually like this, it feels strange to play when it is ignoring the stong beats, like a kick or a beat sound.
3. 00:47:073 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - Is this just me? Or there is a imperfection in a stream, like on the 7, 8 and 9 note.
4. 01:18:753 - 02:04:833 - I know that there's a spinner here, but ignoring the strong beat feels kinda strange but well, doesn't really need it so feel absolutely free to reject this one if this does not suits you.
5. 01:36:993 (1,2,3,4) - It kinda feels like it is having a aesthetic problems, maybe make it like this?
6. 01:44:673 (1,2,3,4) - Feels kinda strange, the reason is same like above too, how about more blankets?

1. 00:41:793 (5,1) - (Insane) Are you sure with this overlap? It somehow does not look nice, but playable though.
2. 01:22:593 (1,2) - (Another) You could have move it nearer to 3 in order to make it look like a triangle.
3. 01:36:993 (1,2,3,4) - 01:44:673 (1,2,3,4,1) - - (Another) Somehow, bit hard to read.
4. 03:20:433 (6) - (Another) You could have move it to x 58 / y 196 to make a triangle with these.
5. 03:43:953 (2,4) - (Another) Maybe improve the blanket?
6. 04:27:633 (4,1) - (Another) Overlap feels somehow strange.

Fort wrote:

Extra diff can be random on mapping (different placement stuff), and the other pattern that is not consistent is fine too. As long as the rhythm is ok and playable for them. Who's fault is that? Me? Or a QAT?

Sonnyc wrote:

Fort wrote:

Extra diff can be random on mapping (different placement stuff), and the other pattern that is not consistent is fine too. As long as the rhythm is ok and playable for them. Who's fault is that? Me? Or a QAT?

Didn't looked the map yet, but this quote sounds as if it's fine to leave an "Extra" difficulty in a low quality(=random) as long as it is following the rhythms properly and players being able to hit those. While it isn't true in the beatmap ranking process.

Spaghetti wrote:

I don't agree with the 1/2 spam, it really seems like you're doing it for difficulty purposes.

I feel like you can easily figure out how to incorporate the 3/4 somehow, but just ignoring it is going to cause a lot of conflict and surpress the true potential of this song.

mithew wrote:

Spaghetti wrote:

I don't agree with the 1/2 spam, it really seems like you're doing it for difficulty purposes.

I feel like you can easily figure out how to incorporate the 3/4 somehow, but just ignoring it is going to cause a lot of conflict and surpress the true potential of this song.

this. terror relenquished feels so empty and dull, its literally just mapped for difficulty. At least try to make it have variety instead of being the same thing for 4 minutes

1. 00:33:333 - 00:34:293 - 00:35:253 - Beats that could be expressed enough but not mapped.
2. 00:34:533 (7) - 00:36:453 (7) - Beats that were relatively less important than the beats above, but got mapped.
3. 00:39:873 (3,4) - Beat where rhythm approach such as dragging (4) to 00:40:053 and adding a note at 00:40:233 suits more appropriate with the song.

Mazzerin wrote:

i just have one thing to say, if 8 stars isn't enough for a simple rhythm map with only 1/2s and a few 1/4s to have od of at least 9 (god please why isn't it 10), then what is?

Sonnyc wrote:

"Were 1/2 the best rhythm to suit this music?"

DoKito wrote:

"The song has so much more to offer"... SO YOU HAVE TO MAP IT LIKE I SAY! Gosh. That's why i hate this community. Mapping... no Music in general is such a subjective thing. Why do you expect every map to be "perfect (subjectively)". What is perfect anyways? This is exactly why so many mappers lose complete interest in getting stuff ranked. If you want to have a high-technical map then go and play some Jenny/Skystar/whatever stuff.
I for myself LOVE Fort's mapping style. And i really enjoy the "constant 1/2 spam", you guys are mocking on. Only because the song COULD BE xy, doesn't mean it HAS to be xy. This is no modding anymore. I would even call it backseat mapping.

Spaghetti wrote:

I don't agree with the 1/2 spam, it really seems like you're doing it for difficulty purposes.

I feel like you can easily figure out how to incorporate the 3/4 somehow, but just ignoring it is going to cause a lot of conflict and surpress the true potential of this song.

Osuology wrote:

stop doing this it only makes you look worse

Baraatje123 wrote:

Ppuskalin wrote:

8☆ Maps are soo hard for rank #0+ please

FFTY FTFY

MillhioreF wrote:

Personally I think Terror was perfect as the hardest diff, it fits well to the crazy nature and speed of the song. Terror Relinquished just feels unnecessary and overdone, it's largely the same map but with spacing increased everywhere.

What's mapped is mapped though, and it would be really harsh to tell Fort to axe a whole difficulty just because it's too hard. I'm not sure what the best way forward is here.

Osuology wrote:

rofl it's not your map stop backseat mapping. ignoring it does cause conflict but it's not unrankable and fort and I both like it this way and many other people like it this way. please just shut up (no offense) but stop doing this it only makes you look worse

MillhioreF wrote:

it would be really harsh to tell Fort to axe a whole difficulty just because it's too hard

Fort wrote:

Hula wrote:

01:50:313 (7,8,9,10) - This doesn't work well, the slider starts on a red tick and ends on the downbeat and then there's a nearly inaudible 1/4 triple played. At least the 1/2 slider should be circles instead. sometimes that pattern kinda be good with that thing

Fort wrote:

Arphimigon wrote:

00:16:113 (2,3) - 00:18:033 (3,4) - Relatively same noise, but the second has over double the spacing. Then it goes back to 1.2 00:19:953 (2,3) - then 2.5 so this inconsistencies unrankable? right, please im doing that thing on purpose man

Osuology wrote:

Spaghetti wrote:

I don't agree with the 1/2 spam, it really seems like you're doing it for difficulty purposes.

I feel like you can easily figure out how to incorporate the 3/4 somehow, but just ignoring it is going to cause a lot of conflict and surpress the true potential of this song.

rofl it's not your map stop backseat mapping. ignoring it does cause conflict but it's not unrankable and fort and I both like it this way and many other people like it this way. please just shut up (no offense) but stop doing this it only makes you look worse

Irreversible wrote:

Hello Fort!

As you know, the new qualification process involves a lot of discussing with the community. This is why I'd like to give this map the opportunity to have further things talked about, seeing that people are actively giving good inputs which should be furtherly discussed.

While we are at it, let me also point out some things:

Terror Relinquished

1. First thing that comes into my mind is the ongoing 1/2 spam, while you are actually ignoring many interesting aspects of the song.
   03:53:313 (1) - Taking this as an example, this song has a lot more to offer than what you actually placed. Why did you decide to have continuous 1/2? i dont get it why this thing can be unrankable because it has same beats with really better density of maps, probably im made that to make players can stable at game when they will be deal with this again 04:00:993 (1) - so i didnt put much repetitive pattern like 04:00:993 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - too much on 03:53:313 - - first of all, none of the points made in this QAT post are considered "unrankable." The map is DQ'd to have discussion and reach a consensus on the patterns and design in the map. There is no reason to deny a QAT post due to things not being unrankable. Secondly, the whole map is 1/2 spam at its finest. Mentioning stability and preperation doesn't mean much as the whole is just jump spam in 1/2.
   
2. Another thing is, that you could emphasize certain spots of the song way better.
   00:35:553 (1) - This for instance, could somehow be distinguished from the rest? You should keep in mind that you should follow the song as close as possible, and not just have a jump map for the sake of it. to be honest i was trying put that reverse slider on song but i think it's really sudden to expect because 00:32:673 (1,1,1,1,1) - pattern like this literally same with it and because it's a very high BPM im prefer to make 1/2 slider to prevent some missread at hish slider velocity and high Approach rate map, so why people complain this simple thing?? - you underestimate players. With AR 10, reading shouldn't be a huge problem even in high bpm like this.. Players aren't as braindead you would think. Personally, I think a triple would work best here.
   
3. Placement is also something that could be way more polished at many spots: 03:16:593 (4,5,1) - Why is this spacing immensly bigger than the rest? It does not corresponded with the song at all, hence why it makes really less sense. Placement does really need a lot of polishing. 03:08:913 (6,7) - it same like this pattern doesnt it? so im put more jumps and more speed to emphasize more because on 03:15:873 (1,2,3) - has quite far jumps - the question is, why is there an increase in spacing and speed in that part in the first place. Sure you want to increase the spacing due to the sliders, but in the first place, you did the same part with circles instead 03:08:193 (1,2,3,4) with much lower spacing.

Fort wrote:

i didnt ignore the song, i prefer strong one
the strong one has quite 1/2 pattern
so it can be possible if i didnt map 1/4 pattern
it makes this map more harder with more complex patterning

Enon wrote:

It don't ignored the song. This map is really fit with the song and playable!

Just it's difficult to the player who don't have high skill.

It seems like you are just blocking "very hard map"

I think you are always seems hate what that "very hard map" be ranked map.

buny wrote:

The only problem I have with relinquished is this part here,

03:30:273 (1,1,2) -

the spacing is WAY too deceiving, because the slider and note are 1/4 apart but everything else is 1/2 apart and the same spacing. The rest of the map is also mapped at 1/4 so the 1/2s are just sudden, and they caught me out in every play that I didn't remind myself they were 1/2s. yeah but looks this part can be good easy patterning part for this map, so this one can be interesting at mapping - I actually would suggest you decrease the sapcing between the slider and the circle due to a lack of a spacing emphasis on that part.

Fort wrote:

just read this please believe me, im really sure my maps is playable there is no massive problem with this map since it's not really consistent but it designed to make players feel free to play songs and really i think this post is not really strong enough to proof this map is unranked because subjectives

byfar wrote:

>backseat mapping

Irreversible wrote:

While we are at it, let me also point out some things:

Terror Relinquished

1. First thing that comes into my mind is the ongoing 1/2 spam, while you are actually ignoring many interesting aspects of the song.
   03:53:313 (1) - Taking this as an example, this song has a lot more to offer than what you actually placed. Why did you decide to have continuous 1/2?
   Honestly, this is so subjective. I personally think (most) of the objects are very well placed and the circles/sliders follow the beat just fine
   
   
2. Another thing is, that you could emphasize certain spots of the song way better.
   00:35:553 (1) - This for instance, could somehow be distinguished from the rest? You should keep in mind that you should follow the song as close as possible, and not just have a jump map for the sake of it.
   partially agreed, some slider can definitely be changed to 2 hit circle or more emphasised jump
   
   
3. Placement is also something that could be way more polished at many spots: 03:16:593 (4,5,1) - Why is this spacing immensly bigger than the rest? It does not corresponded with the song at all, hence why it makes really less sense. Placement does really need a lot of polishing.
   it emphasises the doot doot doot beats right after it, feels very good to play imo

byfar wrote:

>backseat mapping

buny wrote:

The only problem I have with relinquished is this part here,

03:30:273 (1,1,2) -

the spacing is WAY too deceiving, because the slider and note are 1/4 apart but everything else is 1/2 apart and the same spacing. The rest of the map is also mapped at 1/4 so the 1/2s are just sudden, and they caught me out in every play that I didn't remind myself they were 1/2s. yeah but looks this part can be good easy patterning part for this map, so this one can be interesting at mapping

ktgster wrote:

I actually would suggest you decrease the spacing between the slider and the circle due to a lack of a spacing emphasis on that part.

buny wrote:

The posts in this thread are disgusting. I believe people that can't see past "1/2 spam" don't have the right to mod this difficulty. Who are you to tell the mapper that he/she is mapping wrong? A mapper maps what they think fits the music, not what you think. Not sure how to say this without the least offense, but modders that can't play the map how it is meant to be played will not have full understanding of the map, as it could look like shit on paper, but amazing in gameplay

Spaghetti wrote:

Osuology wrote:

rofl it's not your map stop backseat mapping. ignoring it does cause conflict but it's not unrankable and fort and I both like it this way and many other people like it this way. please just shut up (no offense) but stop doing this it only makes you look worse

why tf do you have it out for me so badly wtf did i do to you

do you even know what backseat mapping is, if what i said was backseat mapping i guess every form of constructive critisism is backseat mapping

there's like a million people on this thread that agree with me and say similar things and you always pick on me for some reason

plus you're saying i look bad when seriously everybody disagreed with what you said and made a meme out of it leave me alone j e e z

Smoothie World wrote:

Osuology wrote:

=
rofl it's not your map stop backseat mapping. ignoring it does cause conflict but it's not unrankable and fort and I both like it this way and many other people like it this way. please just shut up (no offense) but stop doing this it only makes you look worse

1) You can't tell someone to shut up and then say no offense. That doesn't make it better. Look, I meant no offense at all. I just don't want him to look worse in my eyes.
2) Suggestions =/= backseat mapping. Are all mods backseat mapping then? No, but saying "map it this way or it just won't work and is not cool" is wrong.
3) Just because something isn't unrankable doesn't mean it's good by any means. It's good to whoever made it

Seriously, people like this that immediately shut down any suggestions frustrate me. Any suggestions help, even if you don't agree with them.

I'll be modding the hardest difficulty tonight or tomorrow.

Fort wrote:

oke, aku pusing

Spaghetti wrote:

No matter how much the mapper likes it, if it's not of good quality, it is not entitled to ranking. Ranking is a privilege, and you must follow the simple criteria that comes along with it. If so many people, and a large chunk of very experienced people, think the 1/2 spam and the HP 2 is an issue, it must be an issue. If Fort decides to disregard this advice, that's okay, but the map will not reach the standards that it takes for a map to be included into the osu! ranking algorithms.

Ppuskalin wrote:

8☆ Maps are soo hard for rank #100+ please
STOP WITH YOURS 8☆ MAPS!!!

Ppuskalin wrote:

Osu - Newbies Mappers = No Crazy Maps

Baraatje123 wrote:

Also, jumps can't be random
They need to fit, and give proper emphasis

wendao wrote:

Baraatje123 wrote:

Also, jumps can't be random
They need to fit, and give proper emphasis

Fort, gw ngerti lah kalo lu emang doyan bikin random-circle-placement yang lu sebut sebagai jump
tapi ingetlah, lu bikin map buat komunitas osu!, bukan buat kesenangan sendiri, terlebih kalo lu berniat untuk men-rank-kan beatmap lu

yha... gw seneng sama teknik jump lu yang mempunyai kesan tersendiri setiap memainkannya, mempunyai emphasis tersendiri (walaupun pemikiran lu tentang emphasis sebuah map beda dengan yang lainnya), well seenggaknya dibikin rapih lah, juga dibikin pattern, biar ga bentar-bentar udah kemana lagi itu objek map

dan lu mesti tau lagu yang lu map ini bukanlah lagu weeb biasa yang BPM nya dibawah 200, sehingga lu mesti jaga diff extra (atau super extra, apalah itu) lu supaya ga berlebihan (overmap), karena ya, semua yang berlebihan itu ga baik

nobody hated u, they just feel uneasy with your map

jujur aja gw termasuk kedalam pihak yang ga nyaman dengan map lu

special note: jikalau emang lu maksa, silahkan abaikan pesan ini... ya gw harap jangan sampai lu dibenci komunitas lah (hint: bd)

- - -

no mod no kds, thank you

Fort wrote:

i think this map will be dead (again)
okay guys, dismiss. lets forget everything

Smoothie World wrote:

If he doesn't want to rank it, please, don't keep asking him to. It's his decision, and tons of people saying "noooo rank it" isn't going to do anything. The map is still here. It's playable. If he wishes not to rank it again, then so be it.

Fort wrote:

lol for what this map ranked if this map just only for pp?
guys this is just a game, yeah since im enjoying a lot of this map.

yeah just relax, Ranked maps just optional objectives for me, im really enjoyed mapping instead of ranked some maps
just stay tune, i have lot of maps which can be enjoyed by you guys, so stay tune :3

Fort wrote:

lol for what this map ranked if this map just only for pp?
guys this is just a game, yeah since im enjoying a lot of this map.

yeah just relax, Ranked maps just optional objectives for me, im really enjoyed mapping instead of ranked some maps
just stay tune, i have lot of maps which can be enjoyed by you guys, so stay tune :3

Rilene wrote:

Fort wrote:

lol for what this map ranked if this map just only for pp?
guys this is just a game, yeah since im enjoying a lot of this map.

yeah just relax, Ranked maps just optional objectives for me, im really enjoyed mapping instead of ranked some maps
just stay tune, i have lot of maps which can be enjoyed by you guys, so stay tune :3

I understand but well, since you went this far...
How about rank it? I mean it would be a waste of time, work and stars spent on this map.

Yuii- wrote:

don't surrender.

Xpockets wrote:

Dear Uncle Fort