Mikakage wrote:
Yet, for many, aiming a pattern or dealing with OD8 streams are easier than dealing with AR10 and OD>=9.8. Hard to say which one is more complex, huh?
Uh, no. OD10 is objectively more difficult than OD8. That's not difficult to say at all.
Mikakage wrote:
For me? Until recently, yes,
Good for you, and you did that, so that's okay.
Mikakage wrote:
Ok? And?
And the PP system has potential to be so broken that you can get extremely far without having to learn mods purely through map choice that you really shouldn't need mods until a certain level in the first place.
bonbori wrote:
No I am also really good at nomod, DT and HD. HR made my accuracy, reading and timing better, which are quite the walls for players who go from OD8 nomods to OD9-10 nomods or even DT/HR. I am quite sure I have more expertise in this matter than you do, so please, refrain from doubting, specially since I made practice courses and helped people practice and pretty much all of them have, not only higher pp (since you're talking about pp, I will do so too), but their actual plays are better than yours.
And? I made my accuracy, reading, and timing better by simply playing more nomod. You don't
need mods to improve your accuracy, reading, and timing in general. Playing HR will make you better at playing HR. Playing DT will make you better at playing DT. Playing nomod will make you better at playing nomod. The difference being, playing HR and DT have the potential to make you worse at nomod.
bonbori wrote:
If people ruin themselves it's for a reason. Either they don't have anyone to tell them that they fucked up, or they simply have a halter that makes it impossible for them to see any problem with themselves.
And why do you think I'm here? I'm here to warn people against fucking up and to try to steer them away from HR. If they're asking for help in GnR, that means they're already unsure about it. If someone thinks HR will help them, they'll be sure about it and play HR. If someone's unsure, then they probably shouldn't be playing HR.
Nomod is a safe way to improve and gain ranks, compared to DT and HR, which are unsafe ways to improve.
I don't think people should choose an unsafe way to improve when there's a safe option available.
If people ask for guidance, I feel it's better to suggest the safest course of action.
DT and HR aren't needed for proper PP gain until a rather high rank, and that's why I always recommend avoiding it to newer players, simply because it isn't necessary. At all.
bonbori wrote:
a) both Mikakage and I can do DT, no mod, HR and HD (to a certain extent) as well as read lower ARs (he does it better than I do) where neither of us had any single human being trying to point out how we should practice, we did it on our own
So you're saying you're more qualified to talk about how new players will improve in general than I am meanwhile you yourself were both shut-ins in terms of learning. What you're doing is basically taking your own experience and you believe in it as 100% fact that works for all players.
I've spent about a year constantly talking to other people. Finding out how they improve, what their strengths are, watching them rank, discussing the game, discussing how to improve, etc.
I think I'm perfectly qualified to talk about what helps newer, unsure players to improve, and have plenty of expertise in the matter.