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Yuzeyun
Well, well, well...
It's sad I have to tell this, but we're already reaching dead points right now. Prepare to slap my face because it's probably pure bullshit.

SPOILER
So now we have the least number of BNs among four game modes. Hopefully there will be newcomers.
That's the saddest thing to hear. We're probably one of the most prolific game mode, and the second oldest mode (first being, of course, osu! standard) in the game. The fact that we are the least represented with only seven active people shows the opposite of our will to get our maps ranked.

Taiko BN actually needs recruit but leave always more than incomes.
And if we don't have anyone to help the situation will be worse as time passes.

let's wait for the next wave first
Don't have too much hope. It won't be a solution on a long time run.
It's already not one right now. Some maps are stuck already, and I foresee deletions of Taiko GD or mapsets, and some might already think about that, due to too many refusals.

180kds isn't that much
It is. I entered the first wave of newBAT with only 193.

Dont tell people to be more active than they possibly can.
8 mods/month is still a fairly high amount (at least in Taiko and CTB) considering anything can happen real-life-wise. And that the minimal value.

However, I think that those who want to become a Taiko BN should have at least the necessary modding skills (e.g. to give constructive mods with respect to mappers' intention or style), otherwise they may not bring real benefits to the modding process.
The true problem is, as qoot stated, the language barrier. I recall, at the beginning of 2014, that TKS went into the BAT despite being nowhere near fluent in English but he gave short explanations with the English he had. However, if they mod a map made from a mapper of their own country, they can still do in their native language. Otherwise, they can still try modding; even with a low baggage most mappers can still understand what they mean.

This helps to recall our current situation. Just waiting for BNs won't help here, or at least, will probably take way too much time.
And as I repeatedly say (not in #taiko though) at that rate, the mode will end up dying.

Enough blah.
Let's say things straight : Our mode is currently agonizing. Some people have talked about mentoring modders so they can access the BNG but I doubt it's gonna work, as (I think it will be this way) the BN will have to deal with lots of beginning modders AND lots of maps which will be even worse for them.
Of course since we, as BN, are supposed to push forward maps that we want to see ranked, we are also allowed to say no to requests. But sometimes mappers can't get any BN and will either let their mapset die or, in case of hybrids, see them gone. And that will probably enter a vicious circle to death.
The solution I can provide will be unbelievable but it has to be this: Change nothing. You'll probably throw tomatos to my face but this has to be said: There are far more Taiko modders than you might imagine, the only problem being their activity. Some modders that are already worthy of BNGsip are lazy as hell, the others are really dedicated into helping the others and will probably eventually access the Group. Don't forget that these dedicated modders may also have started in the past three months and are currently unable to apply.
Akiyama Mizuki
^
Srsly, as the mapper that has 3 maps dyimg cause no BN is checking; wh, Octaikon, Anime Medley(Already deleted, huh).
Bara-
Wow
Taiko doesn't even have the least BN
We have 8 now (IIRC) Nevermind, I can't count, we have 7, Ctb has 5
Taiko has 3 QAT, Ctb only 2
Still very little though >_<

Edit: I also agree with the dying maps
Stupid Remember me >_<
Little activity in Taiko BN tempt me to only submit STD maps (5 submitted, 4 STD, 1 hybrid)
Factorial
Taiko mode will not die. owo
qoot8123
New Taiko BN is coming \:D/
Nardoxyribonucleic
Yay, it's really good to hear. \:D/
Topic Starter
OnosakiHito
11.05.2015 - Added JUDYDANNY into the BNG, congratulation!
(hold your requests a bit and be soft to him / her. Don't wanna scare lol)
Nwolf
: D


congratulations Judy! You deserved it :3
DakeDekaane
Congratulation JUDYDANNY :3
Nofool
gratz again JUDYDANNY!

sry for the sneaky nomination tho o7
Aldwych
Gratz Judydanny! o/
MMzz
Yay Judy.
Coro
gratz Judy~
Niko-nyan
Gratz Judy :3
OzzyOzrock
come on guys.... im back into osu!.... make me an important taiko guy already...
Factorial
Gratz

hoping that more BNs are coming
Asagi Mutsuki
gratz baka judy :>
ikin5050
#Ozzy4taikopresident2K15
Yuzeyun
Senritsu
you're not going to add Julie's name to the list, Ono? lol

Also gratz Juda~ www
PatZar
:o
Bara-
Just noticed
Grey Veyron shiuld be on here as well, right?
Has mods Taiko and bubbles it as well, yet he isn't on the list
Forgot him perhaps?
Also, congratz Judy (little late >_<)
Oh, Ozzy, you'll get a BN soon if you want (3 months (sorry)), Never give up
Topic Starter
OnosakiHito
I only add those who are fully capable of Taiko. Not adding everyone here.
Also, every BN is allowed to mod other modes.
Raiden

baraatje123 wrote:

Just noticed
Grey Veyron shiuld be on here as well, right?
Has mods Taiko and bubbles it as well, yet he isn't on the list
Forgot him perhaps?
Also, congratz Judy (little late >_<)
Oh, Ozzy, you'll get a BN soon if you want (3 months (sorry)), Never give up

Gray Veyron is still unexperienced at modding Taiko.

However, if he gains some modding experience he could as well be added here :3
Senritsu
people aren't hyping again for this month lol
PatZar
lmfao, hi august dam son
Surono
`L_` dam son
<(``) patzar bakah ngek
Bara-
4 days until the new BNG batch
Hopefully more Taco BN
Topic Starter
OnosakiHito
08.06.2015 - Moved DakeDekaane into the QAT, congratulation and welcome!
Dainesl
How many people are gonna be QAT lol

congrats baka Dekaane :3
Surono
(oL_o) ...
Asagi Mutsuki
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

gratz baka :3
DakeDekaane
Thanks everyone ;A;
Bara-
Congratz!!!
BaQat Dekaane :3
-Sh1n1-

DakeDekaane wrote:

Thanks everyone ;A;
No esperaba menos de ti, Congratulations Dake *-*/
Nardoxyribonucleic
Congrats Dake~
-Kanzaki
Congratz Dake!!
bibilicu

-Kanzaki wrote:

Congratz Dake!!
Yay ♥
Senritsu
wow congratulation~
Aldwych
gratz m8
JUDYDANNY
Gratz Dake :D
and Thanks everyone, I didnt notice this thread. (baka)
-Sh1n1-

JUDYDANNY wrote:

I didnt notice this thread. (baka)
xD *-*/
Surono
`L_` dam son..
Prophecy
Not many Taiko BN :(
Surono

Prophecy wrote:

Not many Taiko BN :(
shat ap u Property Prosperity, just wait a.. miracle.
Bara-

Prophecy wrote:

Not many Taiko BN :(
Note: Ono only lists, in opposite of my CtB/O!M list, then BN which are only taiko and not multimode
Gray Veyron, Onijam, Okoratu(?) and some others are multimoded
Why he added MingMichael (mostly CtB) is a miracle to me
Nardoxyribonucleic

baraatje123 wrote:

Why he added MingMichael (mostly CtB) is a miracle to me
ming was originally specialized in Taiko mode.
Surono

Nardoxyribonucleic wrote:

ming was originally specialized in Taiko mode.
and can play tako. yeah, Nice CtB too..
lolcubes

baraatje123 wrote:

Note: Ono only lists, in opposite of my CtB/O!M list, then BN which are only taiko and not multimode
There is no such thing as "taiko BN". Any BN can do any mode if they wish, but it's in their best interest not to touch things they know nothing about, cause that would make them lose points easily.
Nwolf
the BNs listed are the ones that are actively modding taiko, the ones you listed don't (two of them are becoming inactive too)


Your comment about mingmichael was unnecessary and shows that you don't much know much about taiko BNs yourself. There IS a serious lack of active BN modding in taiko, those few BNs that do like 1 taiko mod in 1 or 2 months won't really change much.
Bara-
Michael is CTB only now (or at least last 3 times I looked at his profile)
Yuzeyun

Prophecy wrote:

Not many Taiko BN :(
to the point it's almost unbearable for some like me
Topic Starter
OnosakiHito

OnosakiHito wrote:

I only add those who are fully capable of Taiko. Not adding everyone here.
Also, every BN is allowed to mod other modes.
ming is fully capable of taiko. Whether he mods or not doesn't matter. He played, mapped and modded for that mode for several years, while those other BNs of yours don't.

This list is about giving mapper an accurate overview about people they can lean on when they have problems or need an accurate mod for their Taiko maps. Adding people who aren't fully capable of it is in my opinion redundant, since everyone else can be found here.
Aldwych
This list is about giving mapper an accurate overview about people they can lean on when they have problems or need an accurate mod for their Taiko maps.
Hahahaha.

Sorry but no.
Topic Starter
OnosakiHito
If for you it's not, it's always possible to refere to this list.
Bara-
Uhm, might be a little weird, but perhaps you can add a link to the other modes' BNG/QAT lists (like I also did in the 2 I made for CTB/O!M)
p/3853877#p3853877 - CTB
p/3853885#p3853885 - O!M
Raiden

OnosakiHito wrote:

If for you it's not, it's always possible to refere to this list.
@Aldwych Technically Ono is correct, they are people you can lean on when you need that kind of stuff.
Nwolf
Stop complaining you don't even know how exhausting this /can/ be
Yuzeyun

Nwolf wrote:

Stop complaining you don't even know how exhausting this /can/ be
This, pretty much. I'll just say this:

Less complaining. More modding.
case closed.
Raiden
woops

gz to all bn
Yuzeyun
i wasn't even asked to join.
peace
Raiden
So you're basically saying that the ones who recruit the BNG are just nazipickers who get a dude and instantly puts him in the BNG regardless of their opinion?


I highly doubt it if you ask me. Last time I checked you had to SUBMIT an APPLICATION to join


edit: I forgot

Peace.
Nardoxyribonucleic
I don't know about the previous recruitment, but confirmation is required when I was asked to join. We all have freedom of choice if I recall correctly.

But please, stop this meaningless conversation. Don't underestimate the workload of Beatmap Nominators and mappers' longing for BN checks.
Raiden
dam i really am dumb
Topic Starter
OnosakiHito

OnosakiHito wrote:

It's rather the other way: We have more mappers than modders. Modders can't compensate this amount.
That's all I can say about current situation. What Raiden explained is rather natural since, as he said, people are becoming "complainy" which isn't due to the BNG itself, but rather due to the situation we have already for so long.

As solution there is not much to say but that people should start mod more by their own and maybe become BNs. Yes, we can try enfaster progress a bit by helping new modders or open diverse threads and guides. But at the end the core solution is clear: People must be more active in modding. And we all know that this isn't one of our strenghts in Taiko. lol

Oh, and maybe for more experienced mappers: This might not apply to newer mappers, but older mappers could try to "mod their maps by themself" and make the best out of it. That also means to take some time before this state might be reached. After that, if skilled mapper is sure about his / her set beeing -more or less- flawless, a BN could be even asked without a mod. Sounds a bit utopia like, huh? Well, we got already some maps without or just a few mods ranked, and no one raged since maps were well made due to the big effort mapper take into it. Takes also less time to BN.

If no one can help you, help yourself.
That's how I see it. That's how I work nowadays. Those were my 2 cents I hope you guys might think about.
MMzz
Mapping and modding go hand in hand. You have to do both to survive here as a mapper. (For any game mode)
BN are not obligated to mod your map at all. If they say they will mod your map and then don't, yeah that sucks, but it happens. Like I said, BN have no obligation to mod YOUR MAP. They can mod whatever they want. (Just like non-bn can)

Its been this way for 5+ years. Its nothing new. Its nothing we haven't heard before. Start modding to help improve the situation you think is terrible, or shut up.

Any comments past this will get split, because it is very offtopic and negative. Take it to PM with each other.
-Sh1n1-
BNs and QATs are amazing, I'll do my best following Ono's and MMzz's advices, thanks
Surono
I starterd like to Modding, and Mapping.. okay what i am typing..
Topic Starter
OnosakiHito
19.07.2015 - Added OzzyOzrock into the BNG, congratulation!
S a n d
GRATZ OZZY SENPAI! <3
Lust
Oh wow, congratulations!
Nwolf
congratz Ozzy : D
tasuke912
Congratulations, OZZZZZZZY!!!!
Yeaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!
Bara-
OZZYYYY
WOOHOO!
Congratz!
Aldwych
AYY AYY LMAO
JUDYDANNY
gratz ozzy~~ヾ(๑>◡<)ノ"
Coro
eyy the rock of oz is now a BN
much ozzy congratulations are in order
OzzyOzrock
Thanks guys! Your support is motivation to me (≧∇≦)/
DakeDekaane
OZZY DID IT OMG
MMzz
lmao about time
Raiden
Oh gawd a dark age approaches to #taiko

jk gz ozzy but don't brag about it
Nardoxyribonucleic
Congrats Ozzy, you finally made it :3
Volta
welcome to ozz! eh, i mean congratz ozz!
Senritsu
gratz ozzzzy \x3/
-Sh1n1-
yayyy Gratz Ozzy *-*/ you did it :3
Yuzeyun
back off aragami fu**er
jkily grats
Surono
s1r Ozi! :^)
ghm12
I'm late as always, but congratulations Ozzy! :D
PatZar

_Gezo_ wrote:

back off aragami fu**er
jkily grats
Senritsu
Weird. They're not hiring this month? o.o
Bara-
Wow
Now that you mention it, you're right
Raiden
because i didn't apply


AHAHAHAHA no.
Surono
(`L_` )
PatZar
:\
Shohei Ohtani

Senritsu wrote:

Weird. They're not hiring this month? o.o
Typical "if we just don't say anything nobody will care" from staff, lol x3

I've been meaning to bring up a discussion for it, but there really is no forum to discuss these kinda things (GQ is dead so uhh it wouldn't be effective)
PatZar
p le b cdfa, stop stalking me :^) [color=transparent]hentai[/color
Shohei Ohtani
you can't stop a man from loving you.
Surono
wuwhhwuuwhwhwhwhw, i see.. aa idk

EDIT: patzar Babih Homoh.
Topic Starter
OnosakiHito
Probably most people don't know about recent QAT changes, so I will hand out some information which effecst the ranking process from now on:

  1. QATs do not post anonymized anymore.
  2. Disqualifications can happen before a discussion.
  3. QATs may mod again after a DQ, but don't have to.
  4. QATs can rebubble/requalify a map again after a conclusion has been found.
So in short, QAT's DQ can be seen as additional check for whatever reason and should help for more refined maps in the ranking process.
Dunno how you guys feel about this, but seems okay for Taiko if you ask me. Normaly we talk about stuff anyway and in this way we understand each others opinion better.
Nardoxyribonucleic

OnosakiHito wrote:

Probably most people don't know about recent QAT changes, so I will hand out some information which effecst the ranking process from now on:

  1. QATs do not post anonymized anymore.
  2. Disqualifications can happen before a discussion.
  3. QATs may mod again after a DQ, but don't have to.
  4. QATs can rebubble/requalify a map again after a conclusion has been found.
So in short, QAT's DQ can be seen as additional check for whatever reason and should help for more refined maps in the ranking process.
Dunno how you guys feel about this, but seems okay for Taiko if you ask me. Normaly we talk about stuff anyway and in this way we understand each others opinion better.
I have questions about the first two points:

  1. So the QAT bot will be abandoned from now on?
  2. Does "before a discussing" mean the discussion among QATs?
Anyway, it's good to hear that QATs can also take part in requalification. 8-)
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