Two BNs removed. 7 left.
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I have no idea if there are still lack of taiko BN, I think we should have more BN first.
In essence: encourage modding, give or take excellent quality mods. They can improve much more significantly after becoming a BN.
Although this idea doesn't really take into account the application and judgement process so, that is something we'll have to mull over further.
sorry for trouble ~
Agree this comment, new modders should change the concept about the taiko mod, taiko mod is not just suggest d and k, of course some reason is about language barrier , but actually there are a lot of elements about taiko map, like patterns, flow , notes structure...etc,and we should focus more on the whole map instead of single note.
And about the solution ,I don't want to give more suggestion, lots of mapper and lack of modder, it is already disorder.
Guide on how to mod taiko properly? No nvm i doubt that's going to work.
Introducing a good way to mod for new modder is hard, because we can see in plain sight that taiko is just about don and kat, but they actually not. Just admit it guys, we all started like that. (at least for me it was. lols)
I think that the ranking criteria doesn't get to everyone, ex : difficulty spread (both hybrid and fullset, which is new to modder but some modder just brush it off and start modding general thing as kat and don here and there)
Last time i mod a bubbled map, s/he rejects almost of what i said, only accepting one mod from me, although my ear is not deceiving me alright. And i can't do a thing about that /sad/
I really wanted to say that somewhere..
I guess what makes we (at least, me) lazy to mod things is that the mapper :
1. "I don't care, what i map is right." impression from the mapper (Although the spread is kinda screwed up)
2. Yeah ok *applies all mod* then change them back when another modder suggest the same thing as before. Feels like our work is good-for-awhile-only
3. "Not changed" "keep it for now" replies actually lower my modding ambition (wrote a long reason, then changed it with two-three words. blah)
Probably what the best solution is recruiting BN (if it's really necessary), but again, like MMzz said recruiting means forcing and forcing doesn't always mean they want to do the job properly.
Welp, i'm just writing what's on my mind right now. I know my wording is bad. Sorry for that. >_>
Don't we need a new thread to discuss this, instead of this thread which says 'List'?
Gray Veyron is still unexperienced at modding Taiko.
However, if he gains some modding experience he could as well be added here :3
Property Prosperity, just wait a.. miracle.
Gray Veyron, Onijam, Okoratu(?) and some others are multimoded
Why he added MingMichael (mostly CtB) is a miracle to me
This list is about giving mapper an accurate overview about people they can lean on when they have problems or need an accurate mod for their Taiko maps. Adding people who aren't fully capable of it is in my opinion redundant, since everyone else can be found here.
Sorry but no.
Less complaining. More modding.
case closed.
As solution there is not much to say but that people should start mod more by their own and maybe become BNs. Yes, we can try enfaster progress a bit by helping new modders or open diverse threads and guides. But at the end the core solution is clear: People must be more active in modding. And we all know that this isn't one of our strenghts in Taiko. lol
Oh, and maybe for more experienced mappers: This might not apply to newer mappers, but older mappers could try to "mod their maps by themself" and make the best out of it. That also means to take some time before this state might be reached. After that, if skilled mapper is sure about his / her set beeing -more or less- flawless, a BN could be even asked without a mod. Sounds a bit utopia like, huh? Well, we got already some maps without or just a few mods ranked, and no one raged since maps were well made due to the big effort mapper take into it. Takes also less time to BN.
If no one can help you, help yourself.
That's how I see it. That's how I work nowadays. Those were my 2 cents I hope you guys might think about.
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Topic Starter
Who are removed?
Geno and ?
Geno and ?
dunno
TKS.
At least BN apps are open again.
At least BN apps are open again.
actually Stefan
So now we have the least number of BNs among four game modes. Hopefully there will be newcomers.
I've entered
Hopefully more Taco BN will come in now
But why did Stefan en Geno go out of it?
Hopefully more Taco BN will come in now
But why did Stefan en Geno go out of it?
Stefan is.. obvious on his userpage.
Genocide is (probably) for his inappropriate behaviour Loctav had said three days ago (about miconducting blah)
Genocide is (probably) for his inappropriate behaviour Loctav had said three days ago (about miconducting blah)
Taiko BN actually needs recruit but leave always more than incomes.
In this case, i am trying to apply to be a part of Taiko BN
and hope we have more new taiko BN at least ;w;
goodluck to all who apply ;w;
and hope we have more new taiko BN at least ;w;
goodluck to all who apply ;w;
Topic Starter
I have some ideas what we could possibly do. But before that, maybe some of you could give some ideas as well, as in, how we can make our current state somehow better.
let's wait for the next wave first
Topic Starter
Don't have too much hope. It won't be a solution on a long time run.Nwolf wrote:
let's wait for the next wave first
Currently the minima to get in the BN is a bit high for me, may gonna wait few months.
Topic Starter
No one here who could give some input?
I'd wait until the next wave comes in (which'll probably be Niko and me, and perhaps others as well)
Then we'll see what happens next
Then we'll see what happens next
OnosakiHito wrote:
No one here who could give some input?
I have no idea if there are still lack of taiko BN, I think we should have more BN first.
Encourage modding by organizing queues that are more focused on a quantitative approach first, and then after a good period of grinding modder score/kd to be added to the BN, spend time enforcing qualitative modding. I think your goal should be to get people onto the BN so that more maps can flow into qualified. Once there are more BNs, they can improve their modding quality through the disqualifications they receive and the advice given to them by their peers. Remember, DQs aren't a bad thing, they can be good learning experiences if applied right.OnosakiHito wrote:
I have some ideas what we could possibly do. But before that, maybe some of you could give some ideas as well, as in, how we can make our current state somehow better.
In essence: encourage modding, give or take excellent quality mods. They can improve much more significantly after becoming a BN.
Although this idea doesn't really take into account the application and judgement process so, that is something we'll have to mull over further.
Recruiting more Taiko BNs is the prerequisite of improving the current situation. Once we have got more members, the workload of individual BN would be lighter and we could handle mod requests in a more efficient way. However, I think that those who want to become a Taiko BN should have at least the necessary modding skills (e.g. to give constructive mods with respect to mappers' intention or style), otherwise they may not bring real benefits to the modding process.OnosakiHito wrote:
No one here who could give some input?
^Senritsu wrote:
Genocide is (probably) for his inappropriate behaviour Loctav had said three days ago (about miconducting blah)
sorry for trouble ~
Imo, these discussions are just putting unessecary pressure on the BN. Nothing will help unless we push for some taiko BNs outside of the application process. The requirments are insane for a taiko only modder. (180 kd is a lot in taiko)
Dont tell people to be more active than they possibly can. Tldr.
Dont tell people to be more active than they possibly can. Tldr.
180kds isn't that much mmzz.
i can reach 180kd in 2months(or 2months 13days)
i can reach 180kd in 2months(or 2months 13days)
Topic Starter
Discussions are needed if you ask me. Not to push current BNs, but to address problems once and talk a bit about it. Nowadays when it's about treating them, we are way too slow and do no move at all, which doesn't help us either. This helps to recall our current situation. Just waiting for BNs won't help here, or at least, will probably take way too much time. You said it already, gaining 180 kudosu is for Taiko guys really hard.
It might not be hard for you Geno, but for people like me who only mod infrequently and on request it's quite a lot 
There does indeed need to be a change
There are very little Taiko mappers, so also very little mod requests
Of all my kudosu, most of it (80%+) was from standard, and only a small amount (10%-) from taiko, which is a shame
If there are more Taiko mappers, there will be more mods ---> More BN
Also, 57 entries on MBC (Taiko) is good, a lot of people mapped for taiko, which at least is a good start, right?
There are very little Taiko mappers, so also very little mod requests
Of all my kudosu, most of it (80%+) was from standard, and only a small amount (10%-) from taiko, which is a shame
If there are more Taiko mappers, there will be more mods ---> More BN
Also, 57 entries on MBC (Taiko) is good, a lot of people mapped for taiko, which at least is a good start, right?
Topic Starter
It's rather the other way: We have more mappers than modders. Modders can't compensate this amount.
OnosakiHito wrote:
It's rather the other way: We have more mappers than modders. Modders can't compensate this amount.
maybe encourage mappers that aim for rank to also mod by having m4m only for a few months?
I don't understand why you guys want to push big ideas on such a small community. Stop trying to force people to do stuff. It doesn't matter if there are more mappers than modders, you can't force them to mod, and we have nothing to give them as an intensive. If you want there to be activity, go and be active, don't complain that no one is being active. It's not anyone's fault that there isn't much activity. Taiko has always been this way because it is small.
More like lacking modders, we lack good modders. I see a considerable ammount of people modding with just "x time - d, y time - K, etc.". Not that that's bad, experienced mappers would analize those suggestions, but new mappers would likely just follow them and sometimes it's not for the best of the map.
The only factible "solution" would be mentoring the novice modders so they can improve faster, we get nice taiko modders and potential BNs for the future, resulting in the community growing, maybe not as fast as you could desire, but better than being stagnated.
The only factible "solution" would be mentoring the novice modders so they can improve faster, we get nice taiko modders and potential BNs for the future, resulting in the community growing, maybe not as fast as you could desire, but better than being stagnated.
DakeDekaane wrote:
More like lacking modders, we lack good modders. I see a considerable ammount of people modding with just "x time - d, y time - K, etc.". Not that that's bad, experienced mappers would analize those suggestions, but new mappers would likely just follow them and sometimes it's not for the best of the map.
The only factible "solution" would be mentoring the novice modders so they can improve faster, we get nice taiko modders and potential BNs for the future, resulting in the community growing, maybe not as fast as you could desire, but better than being stagnated.
Agree this comment, new modders should change the concept about the taiko mod, taiko mod is not just suggest d and k, of course some reason is about language barrier , but actually there are a lot of elements about taiko map, like patterns, flow , notes structure...etc,and we should focus more on the whole map instead of single note.
And about the solution ,I don't want to give more suggestion, lots of mapper and lack of modder, it is already disorder.
Introducing a good way to mod for new modder is hard, because we can see in plain sight that taiko is just about don and kat, but they actually not. Just admit it guys, we all started like that. (at least for me it was. lols)
I think that the ranking criteria doesn't get to everyone, ex : difficulty spread (both hybrid and fullset, which is new to modder but some modder just brush it off and start modding general thing as kat and don here and there)
Last time i mod a bubbled map, s/he rejects almost of what i said, only accepting one mod from me, although my ear is not deceiving me alright. And i can't do a thing about that /sad/
I really wanted to say that somewhere..
I guess what makes we (at least, me) lazy to mod things is that the mapper :
1. "I don't care, what i map is right." impression from the mapper (Although the spread is kinda screwed up)
2. Yeah ok *applies all mod* then change them back when another modder suggest the same thing as before. Feels like our work is good-for-awhile-only
3. "Not changed" "keep it for now" replies actually lower my modding ambition (wrote a long reason, then changed it with two-three words. blah)
Probably what the best solution is recruiting BN (if it's really necessary), but again, like MMzz said recruiting means forcing and forcing doesn't always mean they want to do the job properly.
Welp, i'm just writing what's on my mind right now. I know my wording is bad. Sorry for that. >_>
Don't we need a new thread to discuss this, instead of this thread which says 'List'?
Well, well, well...
It's sad I have to tell this, but we're already reaching dead points right now. Prepareto slap my face because it's probably pure bullshit.
Enough blah.
Let's say things straight : Our mode is currently agonizing. Some people have talked about mentoring modders so they can access the BNG but I doubt it's gonna work, as (I think it will be this way) the BN will have to deal with lots of beginning modders AND lots of maps which will be even worse for them.
Of course since we, as BN, are supposed to push forward maps that we want to see ranked, we are also allowed to say no to requests. But sometimes mappers can't get any BN and will either let their mapset die or, in case of hybrids, see them gone. And that will probably enter a vicious circle to death.
The solution I can provide will be unbelievable but it has to be this: Change nothing. You'll probably throw tomatos to my face but this has to be said: There are far more Taiko modders than you might imagine, the only problem being their activity. Some modders that are already worthy of BNGsip are lazy as hell, the others are really dedicated into helping the others and will probably eventually access the Group. Don't forget that these dedicated modders may also have started in the past three months and are currently unable to apply.
It's sad I have to tell this, but we're already reaching dead points right now. Prepare
SPOILER
So now we have the least number of BNs among four game modes. Hopefully there will be newcomers.That's the saddest thing to hear. We're probably one of the most prolific game mode, and the second oldest mode (first being, of course, osu! standard) in the game. The fact that we are the least represented with only seven active people shows the opposite of our will to get our maps ranked.
Taiko BN actually needs recruit but leave always more than incomes.And if we don't have anyone to help the situation will be worse as time passes.
It's already not one right now. Some maps are stuck already, and I foresee deletions of Taiko GD or mapsets, and some might already think about that, due to too many refusals.let's wait for the next wave firstDon't have too much hope. It won't be a solution on a long time run.
180kds isn't that muchIt is. I entered the first wave of newBAT with only 193.
Dont tell people to be more active than they possibly can.8 mods/month is still a fairly high amount (at least in Taiko and CTB) considering anything can happen real-life-wise. And that the minimal value.
However, I think that those who want to become a Taiko BN should have at least the necessary modding skills (e.g. to give constructive mods with respect to mappers' intention or style), otherwise they may not bring real benefits to the modding process.The true problem is, as qoot stated, the language barrier. I recall, at the beginning of 2014, that TKS went into the BAT despite being nowhere near fluent in English but he gave short explanations with the English he had. However, if they mod a map made from a mapper of their own country, they can still do in their native language. Otherwise, they can still try modding; even with a low baggage most mappers can still understand what they mean.
This helps to recall our current situation. Just waiting for BNs won't help here, or at least, will probably take way too much time.And as I repeatedly say (not in #taiko though) at that rate, the mode will end up dying.
Enough blah.
Let's say things straight : Our mode is currently agonizing. Some people have talked about mentoring modders so they can access the BNG but I doubt it's gonna work, as (I think it will be this way) the BN will have to deal with lots of beginning modders AND lots of maps which will be even worse for them.
Of course since we, as BN, are supposed to push forward maps that we want to see ranked, we are also allowed to say no to requests. But sometimes mappers can't get any BN and will either let their mapset die or, in case of hybrids, see them gone. And that will probably enter a vicious circle to death.
The solution I can provide will be unbelievable but it has to be this: Change nothing. You'll probably throw tomatos to my face but this has to be said: There are far more Taiko modders than you might imagine, the only problem being their activity. Some modders that are already worthy of BNGsip are lazy as hell, the others are really dedicated into helping the others and will probably eventually access the Group. Don't forget that these dedicated modders may also have started in the past three months and are currently unable to apply.
^
Srsly, as the mapper that has 3 maps dyimg cause no BN is checking; wh, Octaikon, Anime Medley(Already deleted, huh).
Srsly, as the mapper that has 3 maps dyimg cause no BN is checking; wh, Octaikon, Anime Medley(Already deleted, huh).
Wow
Taiko doesn't even have the least BN
We have8 now (IIRC) Nevermind, I can't count, we have 7, Ctb has 5
Taiko has 3 QAT, Ctb only 2
Still very little though >_<
Edit: I also agree with the dying maps
Stupid Remember me >_<
Little activity in Taiko BN tempt me to only submit STD maps (5 submitted, 4 STD, 1 hybrid)
Taiko doesn't even have the least BN
We have
Taiko has 3 QAT, Ctb only 2
Still very little though >_<
Edit: I also agree with the dying maps
Stupid Remember me >_<
Little activity in Taiko BN tempt me to only submit STD maps (5 submitted, 4 STD, 1 hybrid)
New Taiko BN is coming \:D/
Yay, it's really good to hear. \:D/
Topic Starter
11.05.2015 - Added JUDYDANNY into the BNG, congratulation!
(hold your requests a bit and be soft to him / her. Don't wanna scare lol)
(hold your requests a bit and be soft to him / her. Don't wanna scare lol)
: D
congratulations Judy! You deserved it :3
congratulations Judy! You deserved it :3
Congratulation JUDYDANNY :3
gratz again JUDYDANNY!
sry for the sneaky nomination tho o7
sry for the sneaky nomination tho o7
Gratz Judydanny! o/
Yay Judy.
gratz Judy~
Gratz Judy :3
come on guys.... im back into osu!.... make me an important taiko guy already...
gratz baka judy :>
https://twitter.com/Xandremin/status/597735306352295936
i think i did it enough there ^
i think i did it enough there ^
you're not going to add Julie's name to the list, Ono? lol
Also gratz Juda~ www
Also gratz Juda~ www
Just noticed
Grey Veyron shiuld be on here as well, right?
Has mods Taiko and bubbles it as well, yet he isn't on the list
Forgot him perhaps?
Also, congratz Judy (little late >_<)
Oh, Ozzy, you'll get a BN soon if you want (3 months (sorry)), Never give up
Grey Veyron shiuld be on here as well, right?
Has mods Taiko and bubbles it as well, yet he isn't on the list
Forgot him perhaps?
Also, congratz Judy (little late >_<)
Oh, Ozzy, you'll get a BN soon if you want (3 months (sorry)), Never give up
Topic Starter
I only add those who are fully capable of Taiko. Not adding everyone here.
Also, every BN is allowed to mod other modes.
Also, every BN is allowed to mod other modes.
baraatje123 wrote:
Just noticed
Grey Veyron shiuld be on here as well, right?
Has mods Taiko and bubbles it as well, yet he isn't on the list
Forgot him perhaps?
Also, congratz Judy (little late >_<)
Oh, Ozzy, you'll get a BN soon if you want (3 months (sorry)), Never give up
Gray Veyron is still unexperienced at modding Taiko.
However, if he gains some modding experience he could as well be added here :3
people aren't hyping again for this month lol
lmfao, hi august dam son
`L_` dam son
<(``) patzar bakah ngek
<(``) patzar bakah ngek
4 days until the new BNG batch
Hopefully more Taco BN
Hopefully more Taco BN
Topic Starter
08.06.2015 - Moved DakeDekaane into the QAT, congratulation and welcome!
How many people are gonna be QAT lol
congrats baka Dekaane :3
congrats baka Dekaane :3
(oL_o) ...
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
gratz baka :3
gratz baka :3
Thanks everyone ;A;
Congratz!!!
BaQat Dekaane :3
BaQat Dekaane :3
No esperaba menos de ti, Congratulations Dake *-*/DakeDekaane wrote:
Thanks everyone ;A;
Congrats Dake~
Yay ♥-Kanzaki wrote:
Congratz Dake!!
wow congratulation~
gratz m8
Gratz Dake 
and Thanks everyone,I didnt notice this thread. (baka)
and Thanks everyone,
xD *-*/JUDYDANNY wrote:
I didnt notice this thread. (baka)
`L_` dam son..
Not many Taiko BN 
shat ap uProphecy wrote:
Not many Taiko BN
Note: Ono only lists, in opposite of my CtB/O!M list, then BN which are only taiko and not multimodeProphecy wrote:
Not many Taiko BN
Gray Veyron, Onijam, Okoratu(?) and some others are multimoded
Why he added MingMichael (mostly CtB) is a miracle to me
ming was originally specialized in Taiko mode.baraatje123 wrote:
Why he added MingMichael (mostly CtB) is a miracle to me
and can play tako. yeah, Nice CtB too..Nardoxyribonucleic wrote:
ming was originally specialized in Taiko mode.
There is no such thing as "taiko BN". Any BN can do any mode if they wish, but it's in their best interest not to touch things they know nothing about, cause that would make them lose points easily.baraatje123 wrote:
Note: Ono only lists, in opposite of my CtB/O!M list, then BN which are only taiko and not multimode
the BNs listed are the ones that are actively modding taiko, the ones you listed don't (two of them are becoming inactive too)
Your comment about mingmichael was unnecessary and shows that you don't much know much about taiko BNs yourself. There IS a serious lack of active BN modding in taiko, those few BNs that do like 1 taiko mod in 1 or 2 months won't really change much.
Your comment about mingmichael was unnecessary and shows that you don't much know much about taiko BNs yourself. There IS a serious lack of active BN modding in taiko, those few BNs that do like 1 taiko mod in 1 or 2 months won't really change much.
Michael is CTB only now (or at least last 3 times I looked at his profile)
to the point it's almost unbearable for some like meProphecy wrote:
Not many Taiko BN
Topic Starter
ming is fully capable of taiko. Whether he mods or not doesn't matter. He played, mapped and modded for that mode for several years, while those other BNs of yours don't.OnosakiHito wrote:
I only add those who are fully capable of Taiko. Not adding everyone here.
Also, every BN is allowed to mod other modes.
This list is about giving mapper an accurate overview about people they can lean on when they have problems or need an accurate mod for their Taiko maps. Adding people who aren't fully capable of it is in my opinion redundant, since everyone else can be found here.
This list is about giving mapper an accurate overview about people they can lean on when they have problems or need an accurate mod for their Taiko maps.Hahahaha.
Sorry but no.
Topic Starter
If for you it's not, it's always possible to refere to this list.
Uhm, might be a little weird, but perhaps you can add a link to the other modes' BNG/QAT lists (like I also did in the 2 I made for CTB/O!M)
p/3853877#p3853877 - CTB
p/3853885#p3853885 - O!M
p/3853877#p3853877 - CTB
p/3853885#p3853885 - O!M
Stop complaining you don't even know how exhausting this /can/ be
This, pretty much. I'll just say this:Nwolf wrote:
Stop complaining you don't even know how exhausting this /can/ be
Less complaining. More modding.
case closed.
woops
gz to all bn
gz to all bn
i wasn't even asked to join.
peace
peace
So you're basically saying that the ones who recruit the BNG are just nazipickers who get a dude and instantly puts him in the BNG regardless of their opinion?
I highly doubt it if you ask me. Last time I checked you had to SUBMIT an APPLICATION to join
edit: I forgot
Peace.
I highly doubt it if you ask me. Last time I checked you had to SUBMIT an APPLICATION to join
edit: I forgot
Peace.
I don't know about the previous recruitment, but confirmation is required when I was asked to join. We all have freedom of choice if I recall correctly.
But please, stop this meaningless conversation. Don't underestimate the workload of Beatmap Nominators and mappers' longing for BN checks.
But please, stop this meaningless conversation. Don't underestimate the workload of Beatmap Nominators and mappers' longing for BN checks.
dam i really am dumb
Topic Starter
That's all I can say about current situation. What Raiden explained is rather natural since, as he said, people are becoming "complainy" which isn't due to the BNG itself, but rather due to the situation we have already for so long.OnosakiHito wrote:
It's rather the other way: We have more mappers than modders. Modders can't compensate this amount.
As solution there is not much to say but that people should start mod more by their own and maybe become BNs. Yes, we can try enfaster progress a bit by helping new modders or open diverse threads and guides. But at the end the core solution is clear: People must be more active in modding. And we all know that this isn't one of our strenghts in Taiko. lol
Oh, and maybe for more experienced mappers: This might not apply to newer mappers, but older mappers could try to "mod their maps by themself" and make the best out of it. That also means to take some time before this state might be reached. After that, if skilled mapper is sure about his / her set beeing -more or less- flawless, a BN could be even asked without a mod. Sounds a bit utopia like, huh? Well, we got already some maps without or just a few mods ranked, and no one raged since maps were well made due to the big effort mapper take into it. Takes also less time to BN.
If no one can help you, help yourself.
That's how I see it. That's how I work nowadays. Those were my 2 cents I hope you guys might think about.
Mapping and modding go hand in hand. You have to do both to survive here as a mapper. (For any game mode)
BN are not obligated to mod your map at all. If they say they will mod your map and then don't, yeah that sucks, but it happens. Like I said, BN have no obligation to mod YOUR MAP. They can mod whatever they want. (Just like non-bn can)
Its been this way for 5+ years. Its nothing new. Its nothing we haven't heard before. Start modding to help improve the situation you think is terrible, or shut up.
Any comments past this will get split, because it is very offtopic and negative. Take it to PM with each other.
BN are not obligated to mod your map at all. If they say they will mod your map and then don't, yeah that sucks, but it happens. Like I said, BN have no obligation to mod YOUR MAP. They can mod whatever they want. (Just like non-bn can)
Its been this way for 5+ years. Its nothing new. Its nothing we haven't heard before. Start modding to help improve the situation you think is terrible, or shut up.
Any comments past this will get split, because it is very offtopic and negative. Take it to PM with each other.
BNs and QATs are amazing, I'll do my best following Ono's and MMzz's advices, thanks
I starterd like to Modding, and Mapping.. okay what i am typing..