The point is that there isn't any way to implement a cumulative rank that would hold any meaning as a ranking metric. The inherent dissimilarity of osu!'s game modes invalidates the very notion of a cumulative rank.
I think Tom should be able to tweak it, if there is a need for it tbh, which I don't think it's neccessaryNarrill wrote:
The point is that there isn't any way to implement a cumulative rank that would hold any meaning as a ranking metric. The inherent dissimilarity of osu!'s game modes invalidates the very notion of a cumulative rank.
If you dont plat taiko, you dont look at your taiko rank. If you dont play o!m you dont look at your o!m rank. If you dont play all modes, you dont look at your cumulative rank.theramdans wrote:
Interesting, but how about those people who mostly only play 1/2 modes
like, the most top-tier pro players plays osu! mode mostly
some plays ctb mode mostly!
same goes for o!m and taiko
this rank disappears because of the inactivity playing the game modebaraatje123 wrote:
Lolwut?
Also, if you play CTB only once and got 1pp, you also have an 'ugly' 6-digit rank, do I do NOT see the problem there
This ofc also applies to the other modes
<you should not care about ranksbuny wrote:
this rank disappears because of the inactivity playing the game modebaraatje123 wrote:
Lolwut?
Also, if you play CTB only once and got 1pp, you also have an 'ugly' 6-digit rank, do I do NOT see the problem there
This ofc also applies to the other modes
since we'll be playing at least 1 game mode, your suggestive ranking will still stay there.
I'm all for the idea, but not in a layout where it includes everybody and in plain vision also. If rank is that much of an incentive to play, then you shouldn't play at all because this game is meant to be for fun and not to farm pp in each mode to get a new rank
This would be pretty much against the whole idea of this feature. Which is that you try to get pp in many modes to increase rank.silmarilen wrote:
how about making it weighted by the playcount you have in a certain mode?
The triathlete analogy is subtly flawed - a swimmer is not a triathlete and if a swimmer one day decides to go for a short bike ride and then for a run, he is still not a triathlete. If you play any of the 4 osu! game modes, you're an osu! player.Drezi wrote:
Including everyone in all-mode rankings is wrong, and should not ever happen. Why? There are lots of people (including me) who have no interest at all in game modes other than standard, thus ranking multi-mode players above us would be like ranking a Triathlon athele above every pure Swimmer/Cyclist/Runner. I hope you can see how bad that would be. The purpose of such a sport/ranking is to compare ONLY THOSE who actually decided to competitively participate in all the subcategories involved.
So you can make a ranking among yourselves, all-mode players, but don't try to include those who don't play all-mode.
Luna wrote:
And to address the issues of people who don't want a cumulative rank since they don't play all modes - how about we just make the cumulative rank decay/disappear whenever one of your mode ranks does the same? So, you won't have a cumulative rank unless you have "active" ranks in all modes?
I don't want to go into further analogies, since there will always be aspects where the cases being compared differ, but I think my main point here is pretty clear.GhostFrog wrote:
The triathlete analogy is subtly flawed - a swimmer is not a triathlete and if a swimmer one day decides to go for a short bike ride and then for a run, he is still not a triathlete. If you play any of the 4 osu! game modes, you're an osu! player.
Every game mode is a legitimate part of osu!, but they are different games and they have their own ladders. Not everyone is interested in playing different games apart from the one of their choice, so yes it is unfair to compare someone who only practices one game mode with someone who is interested in all of them. Ranking an osu! standard player together with an all-mode player is not much different, than trying to rank an osu! standard player together with someone who plays stepmania and sound voltex and some standalone taiko game too. Playing different games within osu is optional just like playing separate rhythm games, and not a necessity of being a good "osu! player", thus no ranking should indicate otherwise.GhostFrog wrote:
the most common objection to an overall ranking (or perhaps the only objection aside from concerns over implementation details) is that it's unfair for players who only play one mode to have a bad overall rank listed on their profile. I honestly can't see how that's a problem unless people seeing every game mode as legitimate is a problem
Yes, sorry I missed that, that's what I proposed too - only rank players together who actually actively play all-modes.Luna wrote:
Since the concern of "unjust" low ranks is coming up again, lemme quote myself here.Luna wrote:
And to address the issues of people who don't want a cumulative rank since they don't play all modes - how about we just make the cumulative rank decay/disappear whenever one of your mode ranks does the same? So, you won't have a cumulative rank unless you have "active" ranks in all modes?
I don't really enjoy playing other modes besides Standard as well. Do I now care what rank I have in Taiko, CtB or osu!mania? No. Why would you have to care about the Cumulative one? If there would be contests for it, it's for people who want to play all these modes - if they don't enjoy it, they can simply ignore it, can't they?Drezi wrote:
Including everyone in all-mode rankings is wrong, and should not ever happen. Why? There are lots of people (including me) who have no interest at all in game modes other than standard, thus ranking multi-mode players above us would be like ranking a Triathlon athele above every pure Swimmer/Cyclist/Runner. I hope you can see how bad that would be. The purpose of such a sport/ranking is to compare ONLY THOSE who actually decided to competitively participate in all the subcategories involved.
Baraatje123 wrote:
Bump
Honestly I agree there, this is an interesting idea but it just doesn't seem needed... more or less another way for bragging rights.Kayla wrote:
Yes people can ignore it, but people won't.