That's good, the need of all mode-ranks
But pp weighting would be weird, as my best scores will ve taiko only, and some ctb
But pp weighting would be weird, as my best scores will ve taiko only, and some ctb
The triathlete analogy is subtly flawed - a swimmer is not a triathlete and if a swimmer one day decides to go for a short bike ride and then for a run, he is still not a triathlete. If you play any of the 4 osu! game modes, you're an osu! player.Drezi wrote:
Including everyone in all-mode rankings is wrong, and should not ever happen. Why? There are lots of people (including me) who have no interest at all in game modes other than standard, thus ranking multi-mode players above us would be like ranking a Triathlon athele above every pure Swimmer/Cyclist/Runner. I hope you can see how bad that would be. The purpose of such a sport/ranking is to compare ONLY THOSE who actually decided to competitively participate in all the subcategories involved.
So you can make a ranking among yourselves, all-mode players, but don't try to include those who don't play all-mode.
Luna wrote:
And to address the issues of people who don't want a cumulative rank since they don't play all modes - how about we just make the cumulative rank decay/disappear whenever one of your mode ranks does the same? So, you won't have a cumulative rank unless you have "active" ranks in all modes?
I don't want to go into further analogies, since there will always be aspects where the cases being compared differ, but I think my main point here is pretty clear.GhostFrog wrote:
The triathlete analogy is subtly flawed - a swimmer is not a triathlete and if a swimmer one day decides to go for a short bike ride and then for a run, he is still not a triathlete. If you play any of the 4 osu! game modes, you're an osu! player.
Every game mode is a legitimate part of osu!, but they are different games and they have their own ladders. Not everyone is interested in playing different games apart from the one of their choice, so yes it is unfair to compare someone who only practices one game mode with someone who is interested in all of them. Ranking an osu! standard player together with an all-mode player is not much different, than trying to rank an osu! standard player together with someone who plays stepmania and sound voltex and some standalone taiko game too. Playing different games within osu is optional just like playing separate rhythm games, and not a necessity of being a good "osu! player", thus no ranking should indicate otherwise.GhostFrog wrote:
the most common objection to an overall ranking (or perhaps the only objection aside from concerns over implementation details) is that it's unfair for players who only play one mode to have a bad overall rank listed on their profile. I honestly can't see how that's a problem unless people seeing every game mode as legitimate is a problem
Yes, sorry I missed that, that's what I proposed too - only rank players together who actually actively play all-modes.Luna wrote:
Since the concern of "unjust" low ranks is coming up again, lemme quote myself here.Luna wrote:
And to address the issues of people who don't want a cumulative rank since they don't play all modes - how about we just make the cumulative rank decay/disappear whenever one of your mode ranks does the same? So, you won't have a cumulative rank unless you have "active" ranks in all modes?
I don't really enjoy playing other modes besides Standard as well. Do I now care what rank I have in Taiko, CtB or osu!mania? No. Why would you have to care about the Cumulative one? If there would be contests for it, it's for people who want to play all these modes - if they don't enjoy it, they can simply ignore it, can't they?Drezi wrote:
Including everyone in all-mode rankings is wrong, and should not ever happen. Why? There are lots of people (including me) who have no interest at all in game modes other than standard, thus ranking multi-mode players above us would be like ranking a Triathlon athele above every pure Swimmer/Cyclist/Runner. I hope you can see how bad that would be. The purpose of such a sport/ranking is to compare ONLY THOSE who actually decided to competitively participate in all the subcategories involved.
Baraatje123 wrote:
Bump
Honestly I agree there, this is an interesting idea but it just doesn't seem needed... more or less another way for bragging rights.Kayla wrote:
Yes people can ignore it, but people won't.
Okay. Should I make a thread in feature request sub forum suggesting that all ranks should be removed from the game. What is the point of having a rank if not bragging rights...Charlieesh wrote:
Honestly I agree there, this is an interesting idea but it just doesn't seem needed... more or less another way for bragging rights.Kayla wrote:
Yes people can ignore it, but people won't.
Just my opinion.
Edit: 9400th post ^_^Bara- wrote:
Baraatje123 wrote:
Bump
I'll do that later todayEndaris wrote:
Filthy Postcountfarmer :^)
I think when you're already bumping it would be good if you added the arguments given so far to the OP to make it easier to discuss for people who see it for the first time now so they don't have to dig through 7 pages.