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AmaiHachimitsu
Just a piece of advice for commentators.


While Yoiduki Mayuta's DU is acceptable in transcription (It's because the Japanese using roomaji input type DU to make syllable づ appear), it is a voiced TSU sound, something you would pronounce DZU, not DU. There is no DU sound in standard Japanese.


I'm pretty sure the japanese titles and names will be pronounced in terrible manner, but I just hope you avoid doing basic mistakes. (like pronouncing my name as Hamachi or sth - happened last year)
KRZY

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

I'm pretty sure the japanese titles and names will be pronounced in terrible manner, but I just hope you avoid doing basic mistakes. (like pronouncing my name as Hamachi or sth - happened last year)

Also a spreadsheet with all participating players sorted by groups and pp rank: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0 Had a few extra hours yesterday and thought everybody would love numbers, just take it as a very rough picture of how teams stand this tourney.
noneed_old
thanks for the info amai

oh well, I dont play much anymore but I still love watching the best play. guess next year...
eldnl

Loctav wrote:

Hey everybody.

I stepped out of this entire discussion, because it was nowhere my call to make what regulations apply in this kind of topic. Let's say that I - for myself - want to stay neutral here and I will consider for myself all your brought-up arguments in order to improve the further registration regulations for future world cups, starting with the next upcoming Taiko World Cup 2015 in February.

Please understand that we can not change the regulation at this point for the OWC 2014 anymore, due to the organizational strains and restrictions, especially when you consider that there are not only 1 world cup but 4 world cups per year (and I also need my few weeks to breathe inbetween).

Be assured that I, for myself, have recognized your concerns, hence why I tried to discuss with some of you to make my point clear. We accept your opinion on that and will consider your point of views in future regulations.

For this OWC, unfortunately, the things are as they are now. Please keep in mind that I can not guarantee that the regulations will be any enlightened anywhere. As a future recommendation, I want to say that everyone should stop multiaccounting, cheating or account sharing at instant - to avoid future hassle. Always try to understand that I am also not willed to let people join the tournament I am working on for months over months, while they are blatantly violate the rules and cause me even more extra work. You might consider this as unfair or not impactful enough for this tournament.

Always keep in mind: Imagine how it would be if the participants of your own tournament try to boss you around about what is right and what is wrong. This is your tournament after all, so you make the rules. You are not forcing anyone to join.
I am well aware that the OWC is an event everyone anticipates for, I am well aware that you want to compete against the top of the top, hence I want that too. I want to make this awesome for everyone.

But I have this simple, very simple requirement to make you join: Stop making me and my comrades here extra work by breaking the rules. You are making us trouble on many other fields, independent from this tournament. If you are making me trouble, I do not give you the opportunity to join the events to make your e-penis grow any further, WHILE you are basically making a fool out of me and my comrades. I hope you understand that point.

Anyways, we try to stay neutral here, on all judgements we fell, on all cases that were rejected. I was sorta stunned seeing this happening, but I can not help if the top players are not interested in obeying the rules - and therefore forfeiting their privilege to join the tournament I and my co-hosters work almost 40h a week on. Please RESPECT my and their work. And in order to respect that: Stop breaking the rules.

Moreover, it is not my fault that you fail to read a rule set. When you sign up, you agree to the tournament rules, so I can await that you read everything again and again before signing up. Whoever doesn't has no right to complain retrospectively.

Try to understand my position in specific. I want to bring you the biggest experience ever, so stop being so selfish and understand why I am not willed to let people being disrespectful upon me to join a tournament I am basically hosting (apart of all origin, cheers to lesslunatic and fartownik for the initial work in hosting this)

To bring this entire discussion to an end, I have splitted away the posts for this, storing them in a good place so I can furtherly revise them to improve this tournament for you. Your word has been heard, your warning has been sent. But now, I want to reopen this topic in order to make people discuss the schedules, the mappools and the drawings. Let's have a good OWC, anyways. Put your grunge away and let's enjoy this, because that's what I want to.

In order to clarify: I won't refrain from furtherly remove any discussion about the above addressed topic in order to make the topic focus on what it should focus for now. This is mostly because this topic leads to nowhere for now and we won't find any compromise here in a decent manner. I hope you do not consider this as censorship, but mostly as a regulative measurement to give the map selectors and the playing teams the opportunity to actually discuss the tournament self

Unlocked. Keep this on line.
Just a little thing that I want to suggest, do not leave this for later, it may not affect this tournament but the problems are on the table right now. Remember that this happened on the CWC 2014 too. I could add some points on the discussion itself if you want to handle with this problem now.
Nwolf
I love how people still think that boycotting can only be understood as "making the tournament better"


But please, just stop this discussion. Because it is fun for spectators to watch, no matter you like it or not. It is fun for more than half of the teams participating so the problem is probably in the whiny teams.
cptnXn
just out of curiosity how did you decide the seeds for each country
pp doesn't make sense
Cyclohexane

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

Just a piece of advice for commentators.


While Yoiduki Mayuta's DU is acceptable in transcription (It's because the Japanese using roomaji input type DU to make syllable づ appear), it is a voiced TSU sound, something you would pronounce DZU, not DU. There is no DU sound in standard Japanese.


I'm pretty sure the japanese titles and names will be pronounced in terrible manner, but I just hope you avoid doing basic mistakes. (like pronouncing my name as Hamachi or sth - happened last year)

But isn't half the fun in listening to commentary when the commentators noticeably fuck up pronounciation of a player's name or map?
I'll make sure to remember that. :p
KRZY
Ye just remembered my KRZY is Polish and not English so it's Kuruzy and not Krazy plz commentators I love you too
fartownik
I've got advice for commentators as well: WOMBO COMBO

EDIT:

KRZY wrote:

Ye just remembered my KRZY is Polish and not English so it's Kuruzy and not Krazy plz commentators I love you too
Shouldn't it be like, "kshy" or sth? :)
ToGlette

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

I'm pretty sure the japanese titles and names will be pronounced in terrible manner, but I just hope you avoid doing basic mistakes. (like pronouncing my name as Hamachi or sth - happened last year)
Don't worry about this. I will be helping the commentary team with the pronounciation since I speak decent Japanese.

KRZY wrote:

Ye just remembered my KRZY is Polish and not English so it's Kuruzy and not Krazy plz commentators I love you too
Krazy forever <3

Mr Color wrote:

But isn't half the fun in listening to commentary when the commentators noticeably fuck up pronounciation of a player's name or map?
I'll make sure to remember that. :p
Korway again \:D/
Makan1
I always pronounced it KRZY (Kerzy) or K.R.Z.Y at first.
silmarilen
are are tea why you eye
B1rd
Makan1
r'tiyou-e
-GN

ToGlette wrote:

Mr Color wrote:

But isn't half the fun in listening to commentary when the commentators noticeably fuck up pronounciation of a player's name or map?
I'll make sure to remember that. :p
Korway again \:D/
at least we're not meeting you in group stages again \:D/
ToGlette

-GN wrote:

ToGlette wrote:

Korway again \:D/
at least we're not meeting you in group stages again \:D/
Who knows that we will meet in Knock out stages :o
Lapis-

fartownik wrote:

I've got advice for commentators as well: WOMBO COMBO
HAPPY FEET

WOMBO COMBO
-Ryuujii-
remembering how to pronounce all names is kinda hard lol...i commentated Osu Mania World Cup and CWC and some names were just a no no.. so don't get offended if some names are pronounced wrong :D
KRZY

fartownik wrote:

I've got advice for commentators as well: WOMBO COMBO

EDIT:

KRZY wrote:

Ye just remembered my KRZY is Polish and not English so it's Kuruzy and not Krazy plz commentators I love you too
Shouldn't it be like, "kshy" or sth? :)
OK to be extremely precise it is meant to be the American pronunciation of a Polish KRZY
Azer
If a commentator pronounces my name as Ahzer I will skywrite dicks in our matches
Ethelon

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

Just a piece of advice for commentators.


While Yoiduki Mayuta's DU is acceptable in transcription (It's because the Japanese using roomaji input type DU to make syllable づ appear), it is a voiced TSU sound, something you would pronounce DZU, not DU. There is no DU sound in standard Japanese.


I'm pretty sure the japanese titles and names will be pronounced in terrible manner, but I just hope you avoid doing basic mistakes. (like pronouncing my name as Hamachi or sth - happened last year)
Isn't it usually romanized as "zu?"

I'd be impressed if the commentators learned some Japanese phonetics. Wouldn't take too long to look up the IPA for Japanese and learn the proper production.
Aki Like Snow

Ethelon wrote:

Isn't it usually romanized as "zu?"

I'd be impressed if the commentators learned some Japanese phonetics. Wouldn't take too long to look up the IPA for Japanese and learn the proper production.
"ず”This is romanized as "zu"
Ethelon

Aki Like Snow wrote:

Ethelon wrote:

Isn't it usually romanized as "zu?"

I'd be impressed if the commentators learned some Japanese phonetics. Wouldn't take too long to look up the IPA for Japanese and learn the proper production.
"ず”This is romanized as "zu"
That wasn't my question. It's a different zu. I'd never heard of づ being romanized as du before.

Anyway, getting off topic here, sorry for derailing.
xxdeathx
hi ethelon
AmaiHachimitsu

Ethelon wrote:

That wasn't my question. It's a different zu. I'd never heard of づ being romanized as du before.

Anyway, getting off topic here, sorry for derailing.
I found DZU more appropriate than ZU for the commentators to understand, that's all. This is because zu alone would point at "Z" sound being a fricative. Whenever I hear the Japanese speak zu, I can feel some kind of plosion, this is why I used DZU for commentators to articulate the sound in the best manner possible.

as to DU, if you want to use IME as to type for example 片付ける, you are to type du on your keyboard for the correct zu syllable (unless your IME is very intelligent as to correct you).
Ethelon

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

Ethelon wrote:

That wasn't my question. It's a different zu. I'd never heard of づ being romanized as du before.

Anyway, getting off topic here, sorry for derailing.
I found DZU more appropriate than ZU for the commentators to understand, that's all. This is because zu alone would point at "Z" sound being a fricative. Whenever I hear the Japanese speak zu, I can feel some kind of plosion, this is why I used DZU for commentators to articulate the sound in the best manner possible.

as to DU, if you want to use IME as to type for example 片付ける, you are to type du on your keyboard for the correct zu syllable (unless your IME is very intelligent as to correct you).
Oh my bad, I made a mistake about the だ line and had some confusion about z, dz, and dʑ.
Thanks for the clarification.
Wishy
WELCOME TO OS.
Dexter_old_1
WELCOME TO OSSSSSS


be prepared to get rekt


also i do hope Brazil wins
Aki Like Snow

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

Ethelon wrote:

That wasn't my question. It's a different zu. I'd never heard of づ being romanized as du before.

Anyway, getting off topic here, sorry for derailing.
I found DZU more appropriate than ZU for the commentators to understand, that's all. This is because zu alone would point at "Z" sound being a fricative. Whenever I hear the Japanese speak zu, I can feel some kind of plosion, this is why I used DZU for commentators to articulate the sound in the best manner possible.

as to DU, if you want to use IME as to type for example 片付ける, you are to type du on your keyboard for the correct zu syllable (unless your IME is very intelligent as to correct you).
Actually I hardly have seen any usage of づ except of 片付ける.
Athrun

Azer wrote:

If a commentator pronounces my name as Ahzer I will skywrite dicks in our matches
Well, Ahz- I MEAN Azer...
Glazbom
rAzer
Noki
I didn't read the previous posts and therefore violated a given warning.
Topic Starter
Loctav
You should really read this thread before asking weird questions.
Noki
Uh.. I read this entire thread and found no answers?
Topic Starter
Loctav
Stop asking then.
Noki
I don't know why you're being so hostile. I'm literally just curious as to why some of these players aren't allowed to play. Nothing more, nothing less.
PlasticSmoothie
When are we getting the stream schedule?
Topic Starter
Loctav

PlasticSmoothie wrote:

When are we getting the stream schedule?
The stream schedule? The match schedule is on the wiki.
AmaiHachimitsu

Loctav wrote:

PlasticSmoothie wrote:

When are we getting the stream schedule?
The stream schedule? The match schedule is on the wiki.

Since some matches overlap each other, I guess only the chosen one will be streamed (like last year).


And last year the match schedule included a note whether a given match was gonna be streamed or not.
Miho_fucked
When will the rosters be updated? I heard there were some last minute changes for some teams.
manjumochi
I want to see Brazil vs Japan but at the same time we have South Korea vs Germany... (Both of them will be great games, I believe).
Would be nice if we have option to see (or at least on other time) some replays.
KRZY
Don't we get VODs? Although I agree it's different from watching it live..
Froslass
It would be cool to have another channel streaming as well, but the streamer availability would have to be pretty higher than it is right now
Ph0X
I just wanted to say that no matter what other people say, I still love you Ephemeral <3
Topic Starter
Loctav
http://owc.nicarim.pw/results/view/3 <<<< Group Stage statistics will be located there
Ephemeral

Ph0X wrote:

I just wanted to say that no matter what other people say, I still love you Ephemeral <3
you are my sunshine, never forget it
Soinou
I have a question of the utmost importance.

Are we allowed to draw things on our screens with the smoke option during the OWC Matches, and will they be visible on the live stream ?
silmarilen
im pretty sure you can use common sense on that.
Vuelo Eluko

silmarilen wrote:

im pretty sure you can use common sense on that.
I'd say it should be usable within reason?
Soinou

silmarilen wrote:

im pretty sure you can use common sense on that.
I'm asking because there's no rule on that, and the staff might fear someone will draw questionable content while on the live stream.

I just want confirmation that it's allowed, since rules are not clear on this point.
silmarilen
questionable content is never allowed. that's where the common sense part comes in.
there is no reason why drawing anything else shouldnt be allowed
Minhtam
I have a legitimate question - would players be allowed to spectate World Cup matches on in-game multiplayer mode?
silmarilen
you cant, the rooms are on a seperate server so you cant actually see the players as online
Minhtam
That makes a lot of sense. Thanks. I'll just watch through twitch.tv
CXu
Soooo, which matches are being streamed?
AmaiHachimitsu

CXu wrote:

Soooo, which matches are being streamed?

Don't worry, our matches are top priority ;3
Froslass
it would be nice if Brazil had at least one streamed match, but all of our matches have other much more interesting matches at the same time :(
Gumpy

Blue Dragon wrote:

it would be nice if Brazil had at least one streamed match, but all of our matches have other much more interesting matches at the same time :(
Would be cool if multiple channels were streamed to so we can see the matches that are on the same time.
plaatinum

silmarilen wrote:

you cant, the rooms are on a seperate server so you cant actually see the players as online
I don't think that's true, since captains invite their members through the f8 screen.
Vuelo Eluko

silmarilen wrote:

questionable content is never allowed. that's where the common sense part comes in.
there is no reason why drawing anything else shouldnt be allowed
Thing is silm, you can't use common sense to try to figure out invisible rules in a tournament where many of the visible rules lack any
Soinou

Riince wrote:

silmarilen wrote:

questionable content is never allowed. that's where the common sense part comes in.
there is no reason why drawing anything else shouldnt be allowed
Thing is silm, you can't use common sense to try to figure out invisible rules in a tournament where many of the visible rules lack any
Thanks, that's exactly why I asked this.

But well, we'll see if and when that happens.
Omgforz
:oops:

Plaatinum wrote:

silmarilen wrote:

you cant, the rooms are on a seperate server so you cant actually see the players as online
I don't think that's true, since captains invite their members through the f8 screen.
It is true, and yes, they invite their members probably through the f8 screen, but obviously their team members will also be on that server.
Topic Starter
Loctav
Wow, you guys didnt follow any other world cups. Everything is fully automated. You dont invite anyone anymore.
Kamikaze
We could spectate on MWC tho
Glazbom
My family will be able to spectate me via twitch.tv?
CXu
I'll try ask again:

CXu wrote:

Soooo, which matches are being streamed?
It's kinda silly that we dont know which matches are being streamed when the next match is in less than 24 hours.
Topic Starter
Loctav
We can not tell that beforehand, in case of dropouts or unexpected happenings.
-GN

Loctav wrote:

We can not tell that beforehand, in case of dropouts or unexpected happenings.
So... there is not a schedule because you're assigning matches to be streamed on the spot?
6ixr

Loctav wrote:

We can not tell that beforehand, in case of dropouts or unexpected happenings.
Is there anyway on knowing which matches will be streamed?
Awaken
I want to complain that commentators talked too loudly, the volume of the song is much lower than their voice.
xxnoobxx
Think you guys should make the font for player names smaller its blocking the accuracy for players with longer names
buny

xxnoobxx wrote:

Think you guys should make the font for player names smaller its blocking the accuracy for players with longer names
AmaiHachimitsu
Best commentators evur xDD



"This map is 200 bpm so player have to keep up with it"

"The hardest part about DT is because it makes everything go fast"






BTW. Good job Lithuania! Or should I have said... good job mappickers?
Pizzicato
New Zealand 1 : 4 Philippines

https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/10316251
Rewben2

Awaken wrote:

I want to complain that commentators talked too loudly, the volume of the song is much lower than their voice.
I disagree, hearing the commentators talk right now in the pre-game, the music is quite comparable in volume with their voices. Perhaps even louder. Being able to clearly hear the commentators is more important than hearing a bit of the music playing, anyways.
Dazdy_old
'I bet China will be one of the scariest teams this year.'
Man China too op
Oinari-sama
Bit late but since no one posted:

Australia 4:1 Indonesia https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/10315815
Taiwan 4:2 Lithuania https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/10315808

EDIT: Fixed mp link
B1rd
Lithuania took 2 matches from Taiwan, what?
Oinari-sama

B1rd wrote:

Lithuania took 2 matches from Taiwan, what?
Too bad only 1 match can be streamed at a time ;w;
B1rd
btw I think you posted the wrong link.
Oinari-sama
Thanks fixed :D

Also in the news:

China 4:1 Malaysia https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/10317033
Netherlands 4:0 Hong Kong https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/10317030
sellyme


Happyjon you traitor
tryaway

sellyme wrote:



Happyjon you traitor
Even with player transfer back, they still ain't gonna win that one.
Heterozygous_old
He dropped, and rejoined. That's why it's seems weird
Hattori Heiji
where is schedule of the tournament ?
plaatinum
Oinari-sama

Hattori Heiji wrote:

where is schedule of the tournament ?
All in the Wiki
Vuelo Eluko
Lol @ pizzicato with the penis and "FUCK" smoke drawings
Kamikaze
Pizzicato was mad
ceschierpadua
Rip PH.. and Lol at the rage dick by Pizzicato
Pizzicato
this isnt good for my heart

ggwp Argentina it was fun

HASDJF BSDGFSD FO SDFSDGFOSDHFGHWPE3T
Vuelo Eluko
so does this mean you can see eachothers scores while playing in the tournament server like its multiplayer team vs?
Kuneho

Pizzicato wrote:

this isnt good for my heart

ggwp Argentina it was fun

HASDJF BSDGFSD FO SDFSDGFOSDHFGHWPE3T
You did your best hun :D I love you <3
Pizzicato

Riince wrote:

so does this mean you can see eachothers scores while playing in the tournament server like its multiplayer team vs?
it's multiplayer team vs
Luna

Riince wrote:

so does this mean you can see eachothers scores while playing in the tournament server like its multiplayer team vs?
Yes, it is MP team VS.
It uses the same client and everything, just connects to a different server, so everything is the same as in regular multiplayer.
Source: Played in the taiko world cup

/E: ninja'd
Midget

B1rd wrote:

Lithuania took 2 matches from Taiwan, what?
Now I'm really interested in seeing how the vs. Norway and vs. Sweden games will turn out. STREAM AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE GAMES PLEASE ;_;.
Gumpy

Midgetas wrote:

Norway and Sweden
The one I want to see.
And the HK gamed cuz mutuals.
Aki Like Snow
Where can i find the latest result? The Statistic page just shows 3 matches.
Nanami Pyon

Aki Like Snow wrote:

Where can i find the latest result? The Statistic page just shows 3 matches.
I found this website very useful, you can find links to the matches and it records each team's score.

http://owc.nicarim.pw/results/view/3
CodeS
Can we get quality options in the stream?

a lot of people are watching this from places with low internet speed, it's impossible to watch the stream like this.
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