We will surely reword this. It might be misleading and not cut clean enough, so I will look into this to reword the article and the ruleset to make clear what we allow and what we do not allow.Rewben2 wrote:
I don't want to immediately kick off the unlocked thread with an argument but I have a suggestion to make. Lewa brought up a point on ask.fm which I haven't seen mentioned before, link here: http://ask.fm/thelewa/answer/119270679030. Basically, the wording of the rules appears to be very ambiguous and subject to different interpretations. Perhaps future rules (and/or the current rules) can be made more clear to help prevent future arguments surrounding them?
We will do so after this tournament concluded.Melt3dCheeze wrote:
Do you think you (Loctav) and the osu! staff are willing enough to publicise what you guys did to solve this issue of "BOYCOTT OWC" after this tournament is over? It's best to know what actually happened rather than us being in the dark. You'll reinforce positive ideas by actually telling us the process, rather than having an image where we depict the osu!staff as lacking confidence and showing inconsistencies in their decisions.
Not by Miterosan wrote:
No need to warm up old stuff.
Oppai Neko wrote:
Let's hope for a successful OWC!
Oppai Neko wrote:
Loctav, I thank you for listening to other's opinions and take them into consideration.
I really do hope that the staffs can consider a preliminary round for all the countries, each has a seed number and will have an easier time through the preliminaries. That way, more country can have the chance to participate. It's down on execution anyway, as ranking doesn't mean anything in multiplayer.
Let's hope for a successful OWC!
Edit: For next year I meant
We hoped once, it was awfulOppai Neko wrote:
Let's hope for a successful OWC!
AmaiHachimitsu wrote:
I'm pretty sure the japanese titles and names will be pronounced in terrible manner, but I just hope you avoid doing basic mistakes. (like pronouncing my name as Hamachi or sth - happened last year)
Just a little thing that I want to suggest, do not leave this for later, it may not affect this tournament but the problems are on the table right now. Remember that this happened on the CWC 2014 too. I could add some points on the discussion itself if you want to handle with this problem now.Loctav wrote:
Hey everybody.
I stepped out of this entire discussion, because it was nowhere my call to make what regulations apply in this kind of topic. Let's say that I - for myself - want to stay neutral here and I will consider for myself all your brought-up arguments in order to improve the further registration regulations for future world cups, starting with the next upcoming Taiko World Cup 2015 in February.
Please understand that we can not change the regulation at this point for the OWC 2014 anymore, due to the organizational strains and restrictions, especially when you consider that there are not only 1 world cup but 4 world cups per year (and I also need my few weeks to breathe inbetween).
Be assured that I, for myself, have recognized your concerns, hence why I tried to discuss with some of you to make my point clear. We accept your opinion on that and will consider your point of views in future regulations.
For this OWC, unfortunately, the things are as they are now. Please keep in mind that I can not guarantee that the regulations will be any enlightened anywhere. As a future recommendation, I want to say that everyone should stop multiaccounting, cheating or account sharing at instant - to avoid future hassle. Always try to understand that I am also not willed to let people join the tournament I am working on for months over months, while they are blatantly violate the rules and cause me even more extra work. You might consider this as unfair or not impactful enough for this tournament.
Always keep in mind: Imagine how it would be if the participants of your own tournament try to boss you around about what is right and what is wrong. This is your tournament after all, so you make the rules. You are not forcing anyone to join.
I am well aware that the OWC is an event everyone anticipates for, I am well aware that you want to compete against the top of the top, hence I want that too. I want to make this awesome for everyone.
But I have this simple, very simple requirement to make you join: Stop making me and my comrades here extra work by breaking the rules. You are making us trouble on many other fields, independent from this tournament. If you are making me trouble, I do not give you the opportunity to join the events to make your e-penis grow any further, WHILE you are basically making a fool out of me and my comrades. I hope you understand that point.
Anyways, we try to stay neutral here, on all judgements we fell, on all cases that were rejected. I was sorta stunned seeing this happening, but I can not help if the top players are not interested in obeying the rules - and therefore forfeiting their privilege to join the tournament I and my co-hosters work almost 40h a week on. Please RESPECT my and their work. And in order to respect that: Stop breaking the rules.
Moreover, it is not my fault that you fail to read a rule set. When you sign up, you agree to the tournament rules, so I can await that you read everything again and again before signing up. Whoever doesn't has no right to complain retrospectively.
Try to understand my position in specific. I want to bring you the biggest experience ever, so stop being so selfish and understand why I am not willed to let people being disrespectful upon me to join a tournament I am basically hosting (apart of all origin, cheers to lesslunatic and fartownik for the initial work in hosting this)
To bring this entire discussion to an end, I have splitted away the posts for this, storing them in a good place so I can furtherly revise them to improve this tournament for you. Your word has been heard, your warning has been sent. But now, I want to reopen this topic in order to make people discuss the schedules, the mappools and the drawings. Let's have a good OWC, anyways. Put your grunge away and let's enjoy this, because that's what I want to.
In order to clarify: I won't refrain from furtherly remove any discussion about the above addressed topic in order to make the topic focus on what it should focus for now. This is mostly because this topic leads to nowhere for now and we won't find any compromise here in a decent manner. I hope you do not consider this as censorship, but mostly as a regulative measurement to give the map selectors and the playing teams the opportunity to actually discuss the tournament self
Unlocked. Keep this on line.
AmaiHachimitsu wrote:
Just a piece of advice for commentators.
While Yoiduki Mayuta's DU is acceptable in transcription (It's because the Japanese using roomaji input type DU to make syllable づ appear), it is a voiced TSU sound, something you would pronounce DZU, not DU. There is no DU sound in standard Japanese.
I'm pretty sure the japanese titles and names will be pronounced in terrible manner, but I just hope you avoid doing basic mistakes. (like pronouncing my name as Hamachi or sth - happened last year)
Shouldn't it be like, "kshy" or sth?KRZY wrote:
Ye just remembered my KRZY is Polish and not English so it's Kuruzy and not Krazy plz commentators I love you too
Don't worry about this. I will be helping the commentary team with the pronounciation since I speak decent Japanese.AmaiHachimitsu wrote:
I'm pretty sure the japanese titles and names will be pronounced in terrible manner, but I just hope you avoid doing basic mistakes. (like pronouncing my name as Hamachi or sth - happened last year)
Krazy forever <3KRZY wrote:
Ye just remembered my KRZY is Polish and not English so it's Kuruzy and not Krazy plz commentators I love you too
Korway again \:D/Mr Color wrote:
But isn't half the fun in listening to commentary when the commentators noticeably fuck up pronounciation of a player's name or map?
I'll make sure to remember that. :p
at least we're not meeting you in group stages again \:D/ToGlette wrote:
Korway again \:D/Mr Color wrote:
But isn't half the fun in listening to commentary when the commentators noticeably fuck up pronounciation of a player's name or map?
I'll make sure to remember that. :p
Who knows that we will meet in Knock out stages-GN wrote:
at least we're not meeting you in group stages again \:D/ToGlette wrote:
Korway again \:D/
HAPPY FEETfartownik wrote:
I've got advice for commentators as well: WOMBO COMBO
OK to be extremely precise it is meant to be the American pronunciation of a Polish KRZYfartownik wrote:
I've got advice for commentators as well: WOMBO COMBO
EDIT:Shouldn't it be like, "kshy" or sth?KRZY wrote:
Ye just remembered my KRZY is Polish and not English so it's Kuruzy and not Krazy plz commentators I love you too
Isn't it usually romanized as "zu?"AmaiHachimitsu wrote:
Just a piece of advice for commentators.
While Yoiduki Mayuta's DU is acceptable in transcription (It's because the Japanese using roomaji input type DU to make syllable づ appear), it is a voiced TSU sound, something you would pronounce DZU, not DU. There is no DU sound in standard Japanese.
I'm pretty sure the japanese titles and names will be pronounced in terrible manner, but I just hope you avoid doing basic mistakes. (like pronouncing my name as Hamachi or sth - happened last year)
"ず”This is romanized as "zu"Ethelon wrote:
Isn't it usually romanized as "zu?"
I'd be impressed if the commentators learned some Japanese phonetics. Wouldn't take too long to look up the IPA for Japanese and learn the proper production.
That wasn't my question. It's a different zu. I'd never heard of づ being romanized as du before.Aki Like Snow wrote:
"ず”This is romanized as "zu"Ethelon wrote:
Isn't it usually romanized as "zu?"
I'd be impressed if the commentators learned some Japanese phonetics. Wouldn't take too long to look up the IPA for Japanese and learn the proper production.
I found DZU more appropriate than ZU for the commentators to understand, that's all. This is because zu alone would point at "Z" sound being a fricative. Whenever I hear the Japanese speak zu, I can feel some kind of plosion, this is why I used DZU for commentators to articulate the sound in the best manner possible.Ethelon wrote:
That wasn't my question. It's a different zu. I'd never heard of づ being romanized as du before.
Anyway, getting off topic here, sorry for derailing.
Oh my bad, I made a mistake about the だ line and had some confusion about z, dz, and dʑ.AmaiHachimitsu wrote:
I found DZU more appropriate than ZU for the commentators to understand, that's all. This is because zu alone would point at "Z" sound being a fricative. Whenever I hear the Japanese speak zu, I can feel some kind of plosion, this is why I used DZU for commentators to articulate the sound in the best manner possible.Ethelon wrote:
That wasn't my question. It's a different zu. I'd never heard of づ being romanized as du before.
Anyway, getting off topic here, sorry for derailing.
as to DU, if you want to use IME as to type for example 片付ける, you are to type du on your keyboard for the correct zu syllable (unless your IME is very intelligent as to correct you).
Actually I hardly have seen any usage of づ except of 片付ける.AmaiHachimitsu wrote:
I found DZU more appropriate than ZU for the commentators to understand, that's all. This is because zu alone would point at "Z" sound being a fricative. Whenever I hear the Japanese speak zu, I can feel some kind of plosion, this is why I used DZU for commentators to articulate the sound in the best manner possible.Ethelon wrote:
That wasn't my question. It's a different zu. I'd never heard of づ being romanized as du before.
Anyway, getting off topic here, sorry for derailing.
as to DU, if you want to use IME as to type for example 片付ける, you are to type du on your keyboard for the correct zu syllable (unless your IME is very intelligent as to correct you).
Well, Ahz- I MEAN Azer...Azer wrote:
If a commentator pronounces my name as Ahzer I will skywrite dicks in our matches
The stream schedule? The match schedule is on the wiki.PlasticSmoothie wrote:
When are we getting the stream schedule?
Loctav wrote:
The stream schedule? The match schedule is on the wiki.PlasticSmoothie wrote:
When are we getting the stream schedule?
you are my sunshine, never forget itPh0X wrote:
I just wanted to say that no matter what other people say, I still love you Ephemeral <3
I'd say it should be usable within reason?silmarilen wrote:
im pretty sure you can use common sense on that.
I'm asking because there's no rule on that, and the staff might fear someone will draw questionable content while on the live stream.silmarilen wrote:
im pretty sure you can use common sense on that.
CXu wrote:
Soooo, which matches are being streamed?
Would be cool if multiple channels were streamed to so we can see the matches that are on the same time.Blue Dragon wrote:
it would be nice if Brazil had at least one streamed match, but all of our matches have other much more interesting matches at the same time
I don't think that's true, since captains invite their members through the f8 screen.silmarilen wrote:
you cant, the rooms are on a seperate server so you cant actually see the players as online
Thing is silm, you can't use common sense to try to figure out invisible rules in a tournament where many of the visible rules lack anysilmarilen wrote:
questionable content is never allowed. that's where the common sense part comes in.
there is no reason why drawing anything else shouldnt be allowed
Thanks, that's exactly why I asked this.Riince wrote:
Thing is silm, you can't use common sense to try to figure out invisible rules in a tournament where many of the visible rules lack anysilmarilen wrote:
questionable content is never allowed. that's where the common sense part comes in.
there is no reason why drawing anything else shouldnt be allowed
It is true, and yes, they invite their members probably through the f8 screen, but obviously their team members will also be on that server.Plaatinum wrote:
I don't think that's true, since captains invite their members through the f8 screen.silmarilen wrote:
you cant, the rooms are on a seperate server so you cant actually see the players as online
It's kinda silly that we dont know which matches are being streamed when the next match is in less than 24 hours.CXu wrote:
Soooo, which matches are being streamed?
So... there is not a schedule because you're assigning matches to be streamed on the spot?Loctav wrote:
We can not tell that beforehand, in case of dropouts or unexpected happenings.
Is there anyway on knowing which matches will be streamed?Loctav wrote:
We can not tell that beforehand, in case of dropouts or unexpected happenings.
xxnoobxx wrote:
Think you guys should make the font for player names smaller its blocking the accuracy for players with longer names
I disagree, hearing the commentators talk right now in the pre-game, the music is quite comparable in volume with their voices. Perhaps even louder. Being able to clearly hear the commentators is more important than hearing a bit of the music playing, anyways.Awaken wrote:
I want to complain that commentators talked too loudly, the volume of the song is much lower than their voice.
Too bad only 1 match can be streamed at a time ;w;B1rd wrote:
Lithuania took 2 matches from Taiwan, what?
Even with player transfer back, they still ain't gonna win that one.sellyme wrote:
Happyjon you traitor
