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So many LeBlanc's since Bjerger played her once yesterday..
That ult. Too good.BrokenArrow wrote:
Malzahar is a piece of shit.
much nerf many ult wow cc such suppress
many drain
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I think you can outplay most knockups, but the OP ones are the targeted ones like Vi and Nautilus, more so with Vi because he gapcloses regardless of whether you create distance or notVulf wrote:
He shouldn't be able to cancel it so easily for one. I've cut so many ults too short because I decided to click during the duration.Kanye West wrote:
they should really allow malzahar to move while he ults, and make his ult, WW ult and Skarner ult non-cleansable just like Vi's ult
Riot likes to throw the words "counter play" around a lot so you can guess why suppression will never be uncleansable, but yet we have knock ups and knock backs that are on quite a few champions non ult abilities with a much much lower CD that is uncleansable and unreducable by tenacity. Suppression the best CC in the game my ass.
QSS should get nerfed to 120 seconds from 90 seconds and you can lower the price of the item by 300 gold.
Another big issue (and I mean a huge issue I have personally with suppression) is queued up abilities are prioritized over it. Singed fling, Voli flip, Udyr stun, Cho silence Irelia stun etc.. will cancel suppression because they were queued up before it. Suppression should completely cancel all abilities the enemy has in queue (not put them on CD). There is tons of counter play to this CC and I'm not entirely sure why Riot defends the whole lack of counter play to it but allows knock ups to stay the way they are.
Edit: The only decent thing Suppression has going for it is the target can't use summoner spells which can make some good dragon/baron steals with Warwick and Skarner, but who jungles those anymore?
So in other words you are saying they are balanced because they are skill shots? Yeah... lets not even go there because there is so much wrong with that statement.
no he's saying they're still susceptible to the aforementioned "counter play" as opposed to vi's ult etc, so there's still a distinction to be made in the sense that you cannot liken alistars pulverize to assault and battery
Targeted ult based knock ups aren't really the issue here because of longer CD's which has limitations. Naut and Vi ults can be completely stopped with Zhonya's (it does have counter play though limited). Every suppression ability is ult based, single targeted and only on 4 champions while "Airborne" is on over a dozen champions through non ults that affect multiple targets.
My conclusion to this is Riot gave up on suppression a long time ago because they can't code it for shit since Malzahar and Warwick ults have been buggy since I started playing back in 2010. Hence why knockups are being spammed on newer champions.
Before it is brought up simply saying X ability or champion is balanced because they rely on landing skill shots does not make them immune to certain issues. Cause with that Logic Nidalee spears are fun and exciting.
My conclusion to this is Riot gave up on suppression a long time ago because they can't code it for shit since Malzahar and Warwick ults have been buggy since I started playing back in 2010. Hence why knockups are being spammed on newer champions.
Before it is brought up simply saying X ability or champion is balanced because they rely on landing skill shots does not make them immune to certain issues. Cause with that Logic Nidalee spears are fun and exciting.
but vulf nidalee spears are so fun and exciting D:
imo juking a spear at a clutch moment, or indeed landing a ridiculous one, is much more fun and conducive to mechanical outplays than just pressing r and watching both champs sit there for 3 seconds
imo juking a spear at a clutch moment, or indeed landing a ridiculous one, is much more fun and conducive to mechanical outplays than just pressing r and watching both champs sit there for 3 seconds
Well enjoy her while it last because she will get what is coming to her eventually. After reading some Riot post on her it pretty much sums up to her being a stupid champion.
Anyways on a more unrelated note. Have some more support Warwick.
Game was a stomp because their bot lane became useless once we hit level 6. Also their Orianna was extremely mad.
Anyways on a more unrelated note. Have some more support Warwick.
Game was a stomp because their bot lane became useless once we hit level 6. Also their Orianna was extremely mad.
^ a perfect example of why we should keep our cool when playing
The League community can be really disgusting sometimes. Why do people throw reports around so easily? They're trying to get each other banned!
DaddyCoolVipper wrote:
The League community can be really disgusting sometimes. Why do people throw reports around so easily? They're trying to get each other banned!
Indeed ! especially when u play with premades they some times decides to randomly report u , played with premades yesterday they decided to report me for negatif attidude while i wasent nagtif at all en i even got a warning --'
I don't actually play her, i'm just making the general case that skillshots are more fun than suppressionVulf wrote:
Well enjoy her while it last because she will get what is coming to her eventually. After reading some Riot post on her it pretty much sums up to her being a stupid champion.
speaking of which, Yasuo's hitbox of his first skill is really small. i'm ok with the range being a sword and all but damn it's just hard to hit. and jungle yasuo really sucks unless the enemies are really overpushed to get that 3rd stack of tempest. really annoying to play in the jungle
Facing platinum players (Vi) in normals suck.
I really hope it doesn't happen again as I didn't know how to tackle the situation.
I know that feeling. >_>Blaziken wrote:
Facing platinum players (Vi) in normals suck.
I really hope it doesn't happen again as I didn't know how to tackle the situation.
Just play them like anyone else. They might be better, but in the end we're just humans and definitively not "mystic immortal godly creatures". Plus, take it positively, you'll usually learn more if you face good players.Blaziken wrote:
Facing platinum players (Vi) in normals suck.
I really hope it doesn't happen again as I didn't know how to tackle the situation.
played with a diamond 1 player on normals yesterday i thought oh fun free win , but no he picked teemo and played as ward --'
I started the game thinking "oh, the guy probably paid for the account. They aint shi-" 5 man invade. Stole red. Given first blood.
Not sure if want.
Not sure if want.
I hate invading so much. Biggest annoyance whenever I'm jungling, ever. -_-Blaziken wrote:
I started the game thinking "oh, the guy probably paid for the account. They aint shi-" 5 man invade. Stole red. Given first blood.
Not sure if want.
Also, yeah, putting a plat against a bunch of bronzes (which three of your teammates were) makes no sense. I don't care if the MMRs are balanced, there's such thing as common sense. =/
I rarely report people, but when people on the enemy team start spamming all chat with "report X for verbal harassment" it makes me facepalm because how am I supposed to know that they are verbally abusing them? That Orianna in that game was an awful person. That Caitlyn could have been too, but she never said anything in all chat so I didn't report her.DaddyCoolVipper wrote:
The League community can be really disgusting sometimes. Why do people throw reports around so easily? They're trying to get each other banned!
Doesn't matter if it's more fun or not because at the same time it's just as frustrating if not more for others. You got to take into consideration of whats better for the game. Broken over powered champions are fun for people too and that is definitely not an excuse for them to stay that way.tyrael6192 wrote:
I don't actually play her, i'm just making the general case that skillshots are more fun than suppression
In the end I would much rather deal with a point and click ability that has a 60 second CD than a piece of shit spear or bind being spammed at me constantly. You can't dodge forever. Skill shots can be just as toxic to the game as point and clicks can.
Heh, I just keep all chat off. Most of what I used to see in all chat is nonsense anyway.Vulf wrote:
I rarely report people, but when people on the enemy team start spamming all chat with "report X for verbal harassment" it makes me facepalm because how am I supposed to know that they are verbally abusing them? That Orianna in that game was an awful person. That Caitlyn could have been too, but she never said anything in all chat so I didn't report her.
AgreedJustykanna wrote:
Heh, I just keep all chat off. Most of what I used to see in all chat is nonsense anyway.
You can do that?Justykanna wrote:
Heh, I just keep all chat off. Most of what I used to see in all chat is nonsense anyway.Vulf wrote:
I rarely report people, but when people on the enemy team start spamming all chat with "report X for verbal harassment" it makes me facepalm because how am I supposed to know that they are verbally abusing them? That Orianna in that game was an awful person. That Caitlyn could have been too, but she never said anything in all chat so I didn't report her.
Of course just take a quick look at the options and u will find itBlaziken wrote:
You can do that?
They changed it to be off by default over a year ago. I guess they changed it again.
actually they dident change it its still off by defaultVulf wrote:
They changed it to be off by default over a year ago. I guess they changed it again.
I just found out how annoying Teemo can be... *Screams*
I'll screenshot it next time I'm on.Blaziken wrote:
You can do that?
Edit:
There ya go. Options -> Interface -> Second section from the bottom: "Show [All] Chat".
Since I've been playing - which was October of last year - it was defaulted to be off.Vulf wrote:
They changed it to be off by default over a year ago. I guess they changed it again.
He's always been annoying. Auto attacks you once and a quarter of your health goes away. It's dumb.Louis13 wrote:
I just found out how annoying Teemo can be... *Screams*
The amount of well deserved nerfs on the PBE atm makes me so happy.
I like how they are basically slowly reverting Nasus back to where he was before they massively buffed him.
I like how they are basically slowly reverting Nasus back to where he was before they massively buffed him.
When did they buff him? They nerf his passive again or something?Vulf wrote:
I like how they are basically slowly reverting Nasus back to where he was before they massively buffed him.
As a top laner, I'm to be hearing that though. Impossible to make trade with this dude unless you wait until he ooms... -_- And even then...
Aside from some large indirect buffs through items etc.. he got a pretty large buff around when season 3 started. Lowering the mana cost on his Q to 20 at all levels, reduced mana cost on his ult along with increased AA range and 100 extra cast range on his abilities, and lets not forget the double damage bonus he gets from killing champions, large minions and monsters from Q.
If nasus is going oom in lane he is bad. You would have to be spamming your E off CD for that to happen. He is a pretty brain dead easy champion to play atm. Good early game, great mid, and infinite scaling into late game. There is no stopping him really since everything that beat him to the point of uselessness in lane got nerfed too hard.
PBE for recent nerfs. http://www.reignofgaming.net/
If nasus is going oom in lane he is bad. You would have to be spamming your E off CD for that to happen. He is a pretty brain dead easy champion to play atm. Good early game, great mid, and infinite scaling into late game. There is no stopping him really since everything that beat him to the point of uselessness in lane got nerfed too hard.
PBE for recent nerfs. http://www.reignofgaming.net/
I was told letting him oom is the only way to win trades. Just passing along words, I dunno if it's actually true.Vulf wrote:
If nasus is going oom in lane he is bad. You would have to be spamming your E off CD for that to happen. He is a pretty brain dead easy champion to play atm. Good early game, great mid, and infinite scaling into late game. There is no stopping him really since everything that beat him to the point of uselessness in lane got nerfed too hard.
I actually find him difficult to use. All you have to do is be aggressive whenever he farms and you melt. So I stopped using him since that's how I kept getting fought. Except I do the same thing and die. -_-
If you are dying early as nasus you are doing something very very wrong. There is only 2 top laners that can really push him out of lane at the level 2 mark and that is Riven and Jax, but the problem is they can't keep doing that because all nasus has to do is get resist and he is immovable due to his passive. He is pretty much the same as the old Warwick, but doesn't have to rely on mana as much and scales infinitely into late game. Oh and he can farm easily under his turret so not even shoving him in is an option.
All this current nerf really does is make him more kitable late game which is not the direction they need to go with this champion. His early game is the issue.
All this current nerf really does is make him more kitable late game which is not the direction they need to go with this champion. His early game is the issue.
games are made to have fun right? they aren't purely a battleground for the demonstration of mechanical skill. in fact, if they were, point and click suppression wouldn't exist. it has no place because it doesn't require or showcase mechanical skill to either use or avoid. at the same time i would argue that being ulted by warwick is more frustrating than having to dodge a spear because yes, you can dodge a spear and yes, you can do it consistently. using the term "forever" is null because yeah, occasionally you might get hit by a spear; but if you couldn't then it would be a null skill with 0 fun value for the enemy. still, it isn't an aimbot, and if you play the lane with your brain turned on you can avoid 100% of her spear damage.Vulf wrote:
Doesn't matter if it's more fun or not because at the same time it's just as frustrating if not more for others. You got to take into consideration of whats better for the game. Broken over powered champions are fun for people too and that is definitely not an excuse for them to stay that way.
the balance for frustration caused versus fun created is on my mind too, don't you worry; but you seem to have forgotten that getting suppressed while the enemy team pounds on you is one of the most frustrating things in the game, and something with 0 counterplay if you're behind and can't afford qss or you're not at that point of the game yet or maybe you have it but it's on cooldown. this being the case, the little counterplay that there is is very circumstantial and relies on factors outside of your own mechanical skill. your team has to set itself back just short of 8k gold in order to ensure that everyone has a means of avoiding his ult, and that's not fun nor satisfying
Supression has no counterplay when you are behind? Are you joking? A breeze of the wind cancels warwick ult and then he dies because he is in the middle of 5 people. Even if it gets to the point a Warwick 1v5's your team you deserved to lose because you would have had to play like a dumb fuck for him to get to that level. Warwick has no early game at all thats his counter play. Even with his ult being simple it still requires knowledge of the game to use or else it would get you and your team killed for improper use.
Most of what you stated is purely opinion based, because I can say pretty much the same about skill shots.
Edit: If you watched any Korean tournies you would see that one landed Nidalee spear pretty much decided the team fight. Yep that's totally fun to play against.
Most of what you stated is purely opinion based, because I can say pretty much the same about skill shots.
Edit: If you watched any Korean tournies you would see that one landed Nidalee spear pretty much decided the team fight. Yep that's totally fun to play against.
note that i'm not specifically advocating the nidalee spear in its current state with its current numbers. i do think it's ridiculous and on the off chance that you land one accidentally and significantly alter the outcome of a teamfight, it isn't fair or fun. but i still maintain the same argument regarding the mechanics of such skillshots in general.
also the majority of the playerbase doesn't have to face aimbot koreans but that's a minor and slightly racist point.
also the majority of the playerbase doesn't have to face aimbot koreans but that's a minor and slightly racist point.
I get what you are saying and I agree with some of it.
Comparing skill shots to a point in click in terms of out play potential and whats more fun to watch it's obvious skill shots will come out on top and that's fine. I'm just saying they can't be immune to balance decisions because they don't land 100% of the time. That just encourages some pretty heavy powercreep down the road.
Comparing skill shots to a point in click in terms of out play potential and whats more fun to watch it's obvious skill shots will come out on top and that's fine. I'm just saying they can't be immune to balance decisions because they don't land 100% of the time. That just encourages some pretty heavy powercreep down the road.
Wickd explaining why u should build trinity force on malphite :
First of all let's go over the usefullness of Trinity Force's stats.
30 Ability power.
In my opinion this is not very usefull due to Malphite's low AP Ratios which is also why you see AP Malphites go for a lot of magic penetration.
+30 Attack Damage
I don't see how this isn't usefull on Malphite with him having one of the best AD steriods in the entire game. +62% AD from his W is insane.
+30% attack speed
I don't see how that's any worse than on for example Irelia and she's known for buying Trinity Force. +30% attack speed combined with a 62% AD steriod yes please!
+10% Crit chanceThis is probably one of the best stats on him due to having the highest Attack Damage in the game from Trinity force alone.
+Health, Mana and movement speed are always good stats unless you're a manaless champion so let's not talk too much about those.
Trinity Force Passive.
So yes you are totally right that it's not the greatest passive in the game if you spam your abilities all at once, but who says you need to do that? I believe you can easily use r e w and then q to get 2 sheen procs which is still huge in a teamfight.
Overall I would say Trinity Force is extremely good on Malphite, but the main problem is his weak laning phase and that the components building into Trinity Force aren't that strong, but once you finish it he's a beast.
First of all let's go over the usefullness of Trinity Force's stats.
30 Ability power.
In my opinion this is not very usefull due to Malphite's low AP Ratios which is also why you see AP Malphites go for a lot of magic penetration.
+30 Attack Damage
I don't see how this isn't usefull on Malphite with him having one of the best AD steriods in the entire game. +62% AD from his W is insane.
+30% attack speed
I don't see how that's any worse than on for example Irelia and she's known for buying Trinity Force. +30% attack speed combined with a 62% AD steriod yes please!
+10% Crit chanceThis is probably one of the best stats on him due to having the highest Attack Damage in the game from Trinity force alone.
+Health, Mana and movement speed are always good stats unless you're a manaless champion so let's not talk too much about those.
Trinity Force Passive.
So yes you are totally right that it's not the greatest passive in the game if you spam your abilities all at once, but who says you need to do that? I believe you can easily use r e w and then q to get 2 sheen procs which is still huge in a teamfight.
Overall I would say Trinity Force is extremely good on Malphite, but the main problem is his weak laning phase and that the components building into Trinity Force aren't that strong, but once you finish it he's a beast.
Probably. There's a reason I stopped using him. He's not exactly my top champion of choice anyway.Vulf wrote:
If you are dying early as nasus you are doing something very very wrong.
I'd be nice if the only solution to making trades wasn't 'wait for him to go oom' though... Like you said, he shouldn't ooming.
And I don't play Jax or Riven. xD
On to the next underused champ. Skarner.
I actually like playing this guy. Sure the ult has a lot of limitations (like having to walk straight through the enemy team to get that high-priority target) and he hardly does any damage, this guy can just punish a person who isn't paying attention.
I'm pretty sure there is someone out there who can play this guy well. 'cause I sure as hell can't.
I actually like playing this guy. Sure the ult has a lot of limitations (like having to walk straight through the enemy team to get that high-priority target) and he hardly does any damage, this guy can just punish a person who isn't paying attention.
I'm pretty sure there is someone out there who can play this guy well. 'cause I sure as hell can't.
I cry every time I play Akali and then there's a Skarner pick.Ceph23 wrote:
On to the next underused champ. Skarner.
I actually like playing this guy. Sure the ult has a lot of limitations (like having to walk straight through the enemy team to get that high-priority target) and he hardly does any damage, this guy can just punish a person who isn't paying attention.
I'm pretty sure there is someone out there who can play this guy well. 'cause I sure as hell can't.
I no longer have a fun time dashing to enemies and killing them. Instead, I get ult'd and killed.
Ceph23 wrote:
On to the next underused champ. Skarner.
I actually like playing this guy. Sure the ult has a lot of limitations (like having to walk straight through the enemy team to get that high-priority target) and he hardly does any damage, this guy can just punish a person who isn't paying attention.
I'm pretty sure there is someone out there who can play this guy well. 'cause I sure as hell can't.
Skarner scales well off of nearly every stat in the game, and attack speed can be roughly translated to CDR for him as well. Is it more worthwhile to build full tank and CDR, so that you can spam your perma-slow all throughout a teamfight, or to build more of a tanky DPS role, with items like Wit's End and Iceborne Gauntlet to do good damage and still remain relatively tanky?
Skarner was used during season 2, but fell off steeply later, which most attribute to the nerf to his ult. The nerf was for the occasion where an enemy would blink or dash during the cast time of his ultimate, and instead of escaping they would be dragged right back into Skarner, and their blink would be on cooldown. Now that he is never used competitively, do you think reverting the nerf would bring him back?
With Skarner's rework revealed, more emphasis is being put on his E, becoming his new slow, while his attack speed buff has been moved onto his Q from his shield.
I don't think reverting the nerf will bring him back. These new champs just offers up so much more than him. Though I do still find him enjoyable to play. And that's what really mattersSoG Tava wrote:
Skarner scales well off of nearly every stat in the game, and attack speed can be roughly translated to CDR for him as well. Is it more worthwhile to build full tank and CDR, so that you can spam your perma-slow all throughout a teamfight, or to build more of a tanky DPS role, with items like Wit's End and Iceborne Gauntlet to do good damage and still remain relatively tanky?
Skarner was used during season 2, but fell off steeply later, which most attribute to the nerf to his ult. The nerf was for the occasion where an enemy would blink or dash during the cast time of his ultimate, and instead of escaping they would be dragged right back into Skarner, and their blink would be on cooldown. Now that he is never used competitively, do you think reverting the nerf would bring him back?
With Skarner's rework revealed, more emphasis is being put on his E, becoming his new slow, while his attack speed buff has been moved onto his Q from his shield.
This what CloudTemlar says about skarner : From my point of view… Basically, if you ask me, I don’t care about anything else except this. If they just revert the nerf on his ultimate, I’ll immediately play him in tournaments. Those nerfs were rather too much. Yes, stats actually don’t have that big of a meaning.SoG Tava wrote:
I don't think reverting the nerf will bring him back
Sure u can have your opinions but if a Korean Pro player say somthing about a champ u can be sure he is damn right
Skarner is another good example of how stupid powercreep is in League.
I personally think he is fine how he is. The big problem is that he currently suffers from what jungle Warwick suffers from and that is the way the jungle mechanics have changed over time. He was good in season 2 because of how extremely fast he cleared the jungle and how potent his ganks were because you couldn't start wards and if you were slightly over extended you would either die from perma slow or burn a summoner.
Then season 3 jungle happened followed by Zac and Vi who do everything he wants to do.
Edit: They aren't going to bring back the whole ult flash mechanic because I'm pretty sure that was a bug to begin with and I find it very sad people were playing him only to abuse that mechanic. What they should have done was make skarners ult briefly root the target so they can't flash. This way the target isn't screwed out of a summoner because of some coding bug.
I personally think he is fine how he is. The big problem is that he currently suffers from what jungle Warwick suffers from and that is the way the jungle mechanics have changed over time. He was good in season 2 because of how extremely fast he cleared the jungle and how potent his ganks were because you couldn't start wards and if you were slightly over extended you would either die from perma slow or burn a summoner.
Then season 3 jungle happened followed by Zac and Vi who do everything he wants to do.
Edit: They aren't going to bring back the whole ult flash mechanic because I'm pretty sure that was a bug to begin with and I find it very sad people were playing him only to abuse that mechanic. What they should have done was make skarners ult briefly root the target so they can't flash. This way the target isn't screwed out of a summoner because of some coding bug.
What are u waiting for ?Ceph23 wrote:
Damn it. Now I feel like playing skarner.
Alright I'm officially gonna main Kha jungle. I thought I just had lucky games but it seems like I really am god after all.
I've never had a bad game as jugle kha'zix, I don'think enyone does, but I still do lose.BrokenArrow wrote:
Alright I'm officially gonna main Kha jungle. I thought I just had lucky games but it seems like I really am god after all.
I think zix is one of those really amazing cahmpions to play. Also very enjoyable.
help how do I carry
what how did they even win that
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long games are easy turned. By that time most of the champs have good gold, if any team is able to ace the other team, that's gg. Rumble probably got caught once or smth
even fed, rumble won't make the difference with only 3 ap items :c (no raba), better catch vayne é_è and yeah lategame so everyone had enough stuff so one bad team fight and...
i tried qqMr Color wrote:
help how do I carry
Oh hey duo jungle is actually a thing with premades
Pick a jungler who can make good use of blue buff, one who needs red buff and a midlaner without ressources
Split the jungle equally and make sure to invade as much as possible to make the enemy jungler have a bad time = even more farm
Add much ganks and very dragon/baron control
= Win 4v5 easily okay and that might also be because Riven is broken
Pick a jungler who can make good use of blue buff, one who needs red buff and a midlaner without ressources
Split the jungle equally and make sure to invade as much as possible to make the enemy jungler have a bad time = even more farm
Add much ganks and very dragon/baron control
= Win 4v5 easily okay and that might also be because Riven is broken
maal
Indeed,not all games are good lol,not all players can do well @ solobotmaal wrote:
have ur botlane feed 30 kills to the enemy adc and jungler and the story would be entirely different
Well in SoloQ people tend to push their lane when they have an advantage instead of freezing so it wasn't that much of a problem for Sivir to stay alive and farm under turret
she still went afk but it was ok, all the other lanes had an advantage at that point
she still went afk but it was ok, all the other lanes had an advantage at that point
With the changes to ambient gold and early objectives it is a lot easier for the losing team to rubber band effect and win a game now. I doubt it will stay this way though because this encourages passive play/turtling and people don't want to watch that crap in high level tournaments.
Speaking of feeding bot lane. No one knows what to do against a Warwick support. Still winning games.
MF lagged out for about 5 mins, but it didn't matter since every time my ult was up we (me mostly) deleted sona and sivir couldn't do shit about that. Oh and their jungler camped the hell out of bottom hence why our top lane kat was 9/0.
Speaking of feeding bot lane. No one knows what to do against a Warwick support. Still winning games.
MF lagged out for about 5 mins, but it didn't matter since every time my ult was up we (me mostly) deleted sona and sivir couldn't do shit about that. Oh and their jungler camped the hell out of bottom hence why our top lane kat was 9/0.
They probably got shitstomped in early and midgame but didn't lose too many objectives, then farmed+pressured the map, maybe got some picks and free objectives and got a lategame ace to endtyrael6192 wrote:
what how did they even win that
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They had nidalee support. You never win with nidalee support. Don't know how you guys even expected to win.Kanye West wrote:
They probably got shitstomped in early and midgame but didn't lose too many objectives, then farmed+pressured the map, maybe got some picks and free objectives and got a lategame ace to endtyrael6192 wrote:
what how did they even win that
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Nidalee support -> not buy sightstone -> have no vision -> can't pressure since you have no vision -> can't push advantages -> game stalls -> still can't pressure -> people try to pressure -> people get caught -> lose game
This game is so easy to understand. Also the main reason why I have huge winrate as support, without even playing that well. Vision carries games. Still in plat most supports play the vision game terrible.
Nidalee support actually works in high elo, Bischu played it many times. But yeah I agree, you need to buy a sightstone and pink wards
That has a 0.1% chance to happen. Low chance for either, but sightstone + pinks, won't happen.Kanye West wrote:
Nidalee support actually works in high elo, Bischu played it many times. But yeah I agree, you need to buy a sightstone and pink wards
that went a bit better
fixedSiFly wrote:
That has a 0.1% chance to happen. Low chance for either, but sightstone + pinks, won't happen.Kanye West wrote:
Nidalee support actually works in high elo, Bischu played it many times. But yeah I agree, you need to buy a sightstone and pink wards
In solo queue anything can work if you are good enough with that champion. Heck I would even say this could apply in premades.
maal
wasn't there a bug where hourglass made her ult spammable
ap riven viable
ap riven viable
maal wrote:
i'd like to see u play ap riven thxVulf wrote:
In solo queue anything can work if you are good enough with that champion. Heck I would even say this could apply in premades.
It's already been done lol. Can't remember who that streamer was though.
There was even a guy who was doing a zero item jungle vlad, but he ended up getting banned after awhile.
AP Riven actually sounds hella op, get that CDR, zhonyas and lich bane for infinite procs
The riven one was done by a popular streamer I think it was either Voyboy or chu8. He also did some AD kass and some other weird stuff.
The jungle vlad one wasn't done by anyone special he was just trying to prove a point with how easy it was to get to gold in season 3 so I can't give any hard evidence. I can't find the original thread, but he did make another thread after the first one was locked way after he was banned for the first attempt.
http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/bo ... t=3965401&
Tbh doing something like that is a dick move and he deserved that ban. Going itemless on any champion is taking it too far even if you are trying to prove something. Playing something like AP riven or Caitlyn is still troll, but funny to see lol. Remember the issue with the guy who started the proxy singed BS? Same boat but more extreme.
Honestly I think you are just trying to poke holes into the statement I made. lol
The jungle vlad one wasn't done by anyone special he was just trying to prove a point with how easy it was to get to gold in season 3 so I can't give any hard evidence. I can't find the original thread, but he did make another thread after the first one was locked way after he was banned for the first attempt.
http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/bo ... t=3965401&
Tbh doing something like that is a dick move and he deserved that ban. Going itemless on any champion is taking it too far even if you are trying to prove something. Playing something like AP riven or Caitlyn is still troll, but funny to see lol. Remember the issue with the guy who started the proxy singed BS? Same boat but more extreme.
Honestly I think you are just trying to poke holes into the statement I made. lol
Why is it a dick move and deserves a ban? Why aren't people allowed to try alternative builds, especially if they are working? More build options = more diversity = more fun.Vulf wrote:
Tbh doing something like that is a dick move and he deserved that ban. Going itemless on any champion is taking it too far even if you are trying to prove something. Playing something like AP riven or Caitlyn is still troll, but funny to see lol. Remember the issue with the guy who started the proxy singed BS? Same boat but more extreme.
Did you not see where I said itemless?
I guarantee you if someone on your team said "I'm going to play jungle vlad and not build items" you will dodge or report him at the end of the game. Building unconventionally is fine, but doing something like that is not. That's why I said he deserved that ban because win or lose he made the game frustrating for at least 4 people by doing that.
I guarantee you if someone on your team said "I'm going to play jungle vlad and not build items" you will dodge or report him at the end of the game. Building unconventionally is fine, but doing something like that is not. That's why I said he deserved that ban because win or lose he made the game frustrating for at least 4 people by doing that.
How is it frustrating if he wins without items? I would find that hilarious.Vulf wrote:
Did you not see where I said itemless?
I guarantee you if someone on your team said "I'm going to play jungle vlad and not build items" you will dodge or report him at the end of the game. Building unconventionally is fine, but doing something like that is not. That's why I said he deserved that ban because win or lose he made the game frustrating for at least 4 people by doing that.
I highly doubt you would if someone in your ranked game did something like that. How would you feel if you lost? Would you still feel the same way?
As I said winning does not make that ok. His case was reviewed by Riot and they pretty much said "Playing itemless is not a build" and stated something along the lines of this "If you all agreed to it then it's fine, but in the end this is a form of griefing" following with them throwing around the work "jerk" a few times lol. Take that as you will.
So in other words and I've went over this in this thread a long time ago you can actually get banned for building stupid shit if you get reported enough.
Edit: Going to see if i can find this thread or at least Riots official statement on playing against the meta, item builds etc..
As I said winning does not make that ok. His case was reviewed by Riot and they pretty much said "Playing itemless is not a build" and stated something along the lines of this "If you all agreed to it then it's fine, but in the end this is a form of griefing" following with them throwing around the work "jerk" a few times lol. Take that as you will.
So in other words and I've went over this in this thread a long time ago you can actually get banned for building stupid shit if you get reported enough.
Edit: Going to see if i can find this thread or at least Riots official statement on playing against the meta, item builds etc..
Playing without items isn't playing to win.
You're going to lose in a fight to anyone with even one doran's. Which isn't playing to win.
Even if you play with some derp build like AP Caitlyn, you are building items which means you are playing to win.
You're going to lose in a fight to anyone with even one doran's. Which isn't playing to win.
Even if you play with some derp build like AP Caitlyn, you are building items which means you are playing to win.
Here is a funny little thing from Riot Support. I'm sure I posted this here before.
http://i.imgur.com/bbjKP.jpg
reddit thread: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends ... _the_meta/
TL;DR: Riot doesn't specifically say they enforce the meta, but playing against the meta when four other people on your team say no will get you banned. It's called refusing to communicate with your team.
I've already gotten a temp ban for this btw so they aren't messing around lol.
http://i.imgur.com/bbjKP.jpg
reddit thread: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends ... _the_meta/
TL;DR: Riot doesn't specifically say they enforce the meta, but playing against the meta when four other people on your team say no will get you banned. It's called refusing to communicate with your team.
I've already gotten a temp ban for this btw so they aren't messing around lol.
The bananas were too much for him and yes I know i'm a Soraka tryhard.
Outta curiosity, what for? Roam Annie?Vulf wrote:
I've already gotten a temp ban for this btw so they aren't messing around lol.
I find it funny that one of the things he/she lists is Support Fiddlesticks without support items. I see people go 'support' all the time without support items... (Tryndamere, Lux, Annie in the last two to three months).Vulf wrote:
Here is a funny little thing from Riot Support. I'm sure I posted this here before.
http://i.imgur.com/bbjKP.jpg
I don't care if you go AD LeBlanc jungle, especially if it is working (and obviously itemless Vlad seems to be working). For me reporting someone for this is just being bitter about your loss and trying to shift the blame. Reporting is for people with bad manners and not for people who play "bad" or "against the meta", at least in my opinion.
That's what the mute button is for. I don't care what kind of assholes I'm playing with, as long as they do their job correctly I'm fine with that. But if they feel the need to troll (i.e. not buying items) that's a reason for me to report someone because that means they're not even trying to win.
Tshemmp wrote:
I don't care if you go AD LeBlanc jungle, especially if it is working (and obviously itemless Vlad seems to be working). For me reporting someone for this is just being bitter about your loss and trying to shift the blame. Reporting is for people with bad manners and not for people who play "bad" or "against the meta", at least in my opinion.
So you out of about 100 or even 10,000 people may feel that way. It's just a game? Personally I would see it as trolling if I saw someone go itemless purposely with no context, and you bet your ass I would report him just to spare others from having to deal with that. It's like saying I'm going to be a complete douche in every game, but it's okay because I'm trying to prove a point and I'm also winning games. =\
Point = Winning games does not make you immune to punishment for acting like a dick or doing stupid shit like going itemless.
@justykanna
Roam Annie was a few games yes, but it was multiple games probably about 10 or so which is why i got banned. Doing something like this in one game won't get you banned.
That screen was taken may of 2012 before fiddle support was a common pick. This just proves that riot does indeed enforce the meta. They just don't want to say they do officially.
Edit: Just to clarify I'm against riot ever trying to enforce the meta It's stupid. My last 10-15 games on Summoners Rift have been support Warwick which is definitely not a standard support pick. Thing is I do it mostly in premades and in solo queue I ask my team if it's okay if I play it. If not I'll play taric instead no big deal at all.
I don't know what to say.
Not AI game, can screenie match history to prove if needed lolol.
idk man even an itemlesss vlad can still give his team a 12% damage amp
so long as you don't die 24/7 you're still contributing something ;D
so long as you don't die 24/7 you're still contributing something ;D
I'd love to see that thing crit when you hit with spellblade. Would probably go to about something like 2k plus damage.Bakano wrote:
I don't know what to say.
Not AI game, can screenie match history to prove if needed lolol.
One hit'd 1.8k HP LB(100 armor) without my E. It was a crit plus I had ult on(prolly stacked up to 360 ad only, so not much).
On wraith camp.. 2.2k(crit) on the big wraith
On wraith camp.. 2.2k(crit) on the big wraith
Doesn't work above bronze lol. Other team will have complete vision control and can get picks and free objectives while you are pretty much blind when they sweep all your trinket wards and you never have dragon or baron wardedJustykanna wrote:
Outta curiosity, what for? Roam Annie?Vulf wrote:
I've already gotten a temp ban for this btw so they aren't messing around lol.I find it funny that one of the things he/she lists is Support Fiddlesticks without support items. I see people go 'support' all the time without support items... (Tryndamere, Lux, Annie in the last two to three months).Vulf wrote:
Here is a funny little thing from Riot Support. I'm sure I posted this here before.
http://i.imgur.com/bbjKP.jpg
Some people really should use it more than they do. I mean, I've seen teams argue a LOT... simple solution: mute!BrokenArrow wrote:
That's what the mute button is for.
1000? Wow. Very nice. I had like... 550 at most one game (the time I got a penta... xD)Bakano wrote:
I don't know what to say.
Not AI game, can screenie match history to prove if needed lolol.
I like that. Some people just make their own support picks without asking...Vulf wrote:
Edit: Just to clarify I'm against riot ever trying to enforce the meta It's stupid. My last 10-15 games on Summoners Rift have been support Warwick which is definitely not a standard support pick. Thing is I do it mostly in premades and in solo queue I ask my team if it's okay if I play it. If not I'll play taric instead no big deal at all.
Most of those times, it didn't even work lol. I think some people just don't learn to support / get a support champion.Kanye West wrote:
Doesn't work above bronze lol. Other team will have complete vision control and can get picks and free objectives while you are pretty much blind when they sweep all your trinket wards and you never have dragon or baron warded
that clg vs atn game hahahahahah so good
dat explosive cast doe
Beer OP
Holy shit why does Kev1n look so fucking angry all the time
it looks like he's about to kill someone
it looks like he's about to kill someone
i haven't seen dexter change his facial expression for the past 2 hours
also jree has been really sick with the flays and the ults these past two games
also jree has been really sick with the flays and the ults these past two games
Jree played really really well, on-point with Leona and the flays too
At the same time aphromoo wasn't that great, he had no impact on the game at all in the 2nd game
And doublelift is still the best decision maker NA kappa
At the same time aphromoo wasn't that great, he had no impact on the game at all in the 2nd game
And doublelift is still the best decision maker NA kappa
kerp confirmed to be faker
also woo go EG krepo has been playing so so well. not just krepo either, the whole team has been playing in such a coordinated and decisive way wow
"pobelter is overrated" - arthelon talks shit gets hit
also woo go EG krepo has been playing so so well. not just krepo either, the whole team has been playing in such a coordinated and decisive way wow
"pobelter is overrated" - arthelon talks shit gets hit