Ceph23 wrote:

On to the next underused champ. Skarner.
I actually like playing this guy. Sure the ult has a lot of limitations (like having to walk straight through the enemy team to get that high-priority target) and he hardly does any damage, this guy can just punish a person who isn't paying attention.
I'm pretty sure there is someone out there who can play this guy well. 'cause I sure as hell can't.

I cry every time I play Akali and then there's a Skarner pick.

I no longer have a fun time dashing to enemies and killing them. Instead, I get ult'd and killed.

Ceph23 wrote:

On to the next underused champ. Skarner.
I actually like playing this guy. Sure the ult has a lot of limitations (like having to walk straight through the enemy team to get that high-priority target) and he hardly does any damage, this guy can just punish a person who isn't paying attention.
I'm pretty sure there is someone out there who can play this guy well. 'cause I sure as hell can't.

Skarner scales well off of nearly every stat in the game, and attack speed can be roughly translated to CDR for him as well. Is it more worthwhile to build full tank and CDR, so that you can spam your perma-slow all throughout a teamfight, or to build more of a tanky DPS role, with items like Wit's End and Iceborne Gauntlet to do good damage and still remain relatively tanky?
Skarner was used during season 2, but fell off steeply later, which most attribute to the nerf to his ult. The nerf was for the occasion where an enemy would blink or dash during the cast time of his ultimate, and instead of escaping they would be dragged right back into Skarner, and their blink would be on cooldown. Now that he is never used competitively, do you think reverting the nerf would bring him back?
With Skarner's rework revealed, more emphasis is being put on his E, becoming his new slow, while his attack speed buff has been moved onto his Q from his shield.

SoG Tava wrote:

Skarner scales well off of nearly every stat in the game, and attack speed can be roughly translated to CDR for him as well. Is it more worthwhile to build full tank and CDR, so that you can spam your perma-slow all throughout a teamfight, or to build more of a tanky DPS role, with items like Wit's End and Iceborne Gauntlet to do good damage and still remain relatively tanky?
Skarner was used during season 2, but fell off steeply later, which most attribute to the nerf to his ult. The nerf was for the occasion where an enemy would blink or dash during the cast time of his ultimate, and instead of escaping they would be dragged right back into Skarner, and their blink would be on cooldown. Now that he is never used competitively, do you think reverting the nerf would bring him back?
With Skarner's rework revealed, more emphasis is being put on his E, becoming his new slow, while his attack speed buff has been moved onto his Q from his shield.

I don't think reverting the nerf will bring him back. These new champs just offers up so much more than him. Though I do still find him enjoyable to play. And that's what really matters

SoG Tava wrote:

I don't think reverting the nerf will bring him back

This what CloudTemlar says about skarner : From my point of view… Basically, if you ask me, I don’t care about anything else except this. If they just revert the nerf on his ultimate, I’ll immediately play him in tournaments. Those nerfs were rather too much. Yes, stats actually don’t have that big of a meaning.

Sure u can have your opinions but if a Korean Pro player say somthing about a champ u can be sure he is damn right

Skarner is another good example of how stupid powercreep is in League.

I personally think he is fine how he is. The big problem is that he currently suffers from what jungle Warwick suffers from and that is the way the jungle mechanics have changed over time. He was good in season 2 because of how extremely fast he cleared the jungle and how potent his ganks were because you couldn't start wards and if you were slightly over extended you would either die from perma slow or burn a summoner.

Then season 3 jungle happened followed by Zac and Vi who do everything he wants to do.

Edit: They aren't going to bring back the whole ult flash mechanic because I'm pretty sure that was a bug to begin with and I find it very sad people were playing him only to abuse that mechanic. What they should have done was make skarners ult briefly root the target so they can't flash. This way the target isn't screwed out of a summoner because of some coding bug.

Damn it. Now I feel like playing skarner.

Ceph23 wrote:

Damn it. Now I feel like playing skarner.

What are u waiting for ?

wow do you guys think i want to read all this jesus fuck

Alright I'm officially gonna main Kha jungle. I thought I just had lucky games but it seems like I really am god after all.

BrokenArrow wrote:

Alright I'm officially gonna main Kha jungle. I thought I just had lucky games but it seems like I really am god after all.

I've never had a bad game as jugle kha'zix, I don'think enyone does, but I still do lose.
I think zix is one of those really amazing cahmpions to play. Also very enjoyable.

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help how do I carry

what how did they even win that

???
/??????????

long games are easy turned. By that time most of the champs have good gold, if any team is able to ace the other team, that's gg. Rumble probably got caught once or smth

even fed, rumble won't make the difference with only 3 ap items :c (no raba), better catch vayne é_è and yeah lategame so everyone had enough stuff so one bad team fight and...

dims where are you imma punch ur face

Mr Color wrote:

help how do I carry

i tried qq

Oh hey duo jungle is actually a thing with premades
Pick a jungler who can make good use of blue buff, one who needs red buff and a midlaner without ressources
Split the jungle equally and make sure to invade as much as possible to make the enemy jungler have a bad time = even more farm
Add much ganks and very dragon/baron control
= Win 4v5 easily okay and that might also be because Riven is broken

have ur botlane feed 30 kills to the enemy adc and jungler and the story would be entirely different

maal wrote:

have ur botlane feed 30 kills to the enemy adc and jungler and the story would be entirely different

Indeed,not all games are good lol,not all players can do well @ solobot

Well in SoloQ people tend to push their lane when they have an advantage instead of freezing so it wasn't that much of a problem for Sivir to stay alive and farm under turret
she still went afk but it was ok, all the other lanes had an advantage at that point

With the changes to ambient gold and early objectives it is a lot easier for the losing team to rubber band effect and win a game now. I doubt it will stay this way though because this encourages passive play/turtling and people don't want to watch that crap in high level tournaments.


Speaking of feeding bot lane. No one knows what to do against a Warwick support. Still winning games.
MF lagged out for about 5 mins, but it didn't matter since every time my ult was up we (me mostly) deleted sona and sivir couldn't do shit about that. Oh and their jungler camped the hell out of bottom hence why our top lane kat was 9/0.

tyrael6192 wrote:

what how did they even win that

???
/??????????

They probably got shitstomped in early and midgame but didn't lose too many objectives, then farmed+pressured the map, maybe got some picks and free objectives and got a lategame ace to end

Kanye West wrote:

tyrael6192 wrote:

what how did they even win that

???
/??????????

They probably got shitstomped in early and midgame but didn't lose too many objectives, then farmed+pressured the map, maybe got some picks and free objectives and got a lategame ace to end

They had nidalee support. You never win with nidalee support. Don't know how you guys even expected to win.

Nidalee support -> not buy sightstone -> have no vision -> can't pressure since you have no vision -> can't push advantages -> game stalls -> still can't pressure -> people try to pressure -> people get caught -> lose game

This game is so easy to understand. Also the main reason why I have huge winrate as support, without even playing that well. Vision carries games. Still in plat most supports play the vision game terrible.

Nidalee support actually works in high elo, Bischu played it many times. But yeah I agree, you need to buy a sightstone and pink wards

Kanye West wrote:

Nidalee support actually works in high elo, Bischu played it many times. But yeah I agree, you need to buy a sightstone and pink wards

That has a 0.1% chance to happen. Low chance for either, but sightstone + pinks, won't happen.

that went a bit better

SiFly wrote:

Kanye West wrote:

Nidalee support actually works in high elo, Bischu played it many times. But yeah I agree, you need to buy a sightstone and pink wards

That has a 0.1% chance to happen. Low chance for either, but sightstone + pinks, won't happen.

fixed

In solo queue anything can work if you are good enough with that champion. Heck I would even say this could apply in premades.

Vulf wrote:

In solo queue anything can work if you are good enough with that champion. Heck I would even say this could apply in premades.

i'd like to see u play ap riven thx

wasn't there a bug where hourglass made her ult spammable

ap riven viable

maal wrote:

Vulf wrote:

In solo queue anything can work if you are good enough with that champion. Heck I would even say this could apply in premades.

i'd like to see u play ap riven thx

It's already been done lol. Can't remember who that streamer was though.

There was even a guy who was doing a zero item jungle vlad, but he ended up getting banned after awhile.

evidence thx

AP Riven actually sounds hella op, get that CDR, zhonyas and lich bane for infinite procs

The riven one was done by a popular streamer I think it was either Voyboy or chu8. He also did some AD kass and some other weird stuff.

The jungle vlad one wasn't done by anyone special he was just trying to prove a point with how easy it was to get to gold in season 3 so I can't give any hard evidence. I can't find the original thread, but he did make another thread after the first one was locked way after he was banned for the first attempt.

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/bo ... t=3965401&

Tbh doing something like that is a dick move and he deserved that ban. Going itemless on any champion is taking it too far even if you are trying to prove something. Playing something like AP riven or Caitlyn is still troll, but funny to see lol. Remember the issue with the guy who started the proxy singed BS? Same boat but more extreme.

Honestly I think you are just trying to poke holes into the statement I made. lol

Vulf wrote:

Tbh doing something like that is a dick move and he deserved that ban. Going itemless on any champion is taking it too far even if you are trying to prove something. Playing something like AP riven or Caitlyn is still troll, but funny to see lol. Remember the issue with the guy who started the proxy singed BS? Same boat but more extreme.

Why is it a dick move and deserves a ban? Why aren't people allowed to try alternative builds, especially if they are working? More build options = more diversity = more fun.

Did you not see where I said itemless?

I guarantee you if someone on your team said "I'm going to play jungle vlad and not build items" you will dodge or report him at the end of the game. Building unconventionally is fine, but doing something like that is not. That's why I said he deserved that ban because win or lose he made the game frustrating for at least 4 people by doing that.

Vulf wrote:

Did you not see where I said itemless?

I guarantee you if someone on your team said "I'm going to play jungle vlad and not build items" you will dodge or report him at the end of the game. Building unconventionally is fine, but doing something like that is not. That's why I said he deserved that ban because win or lose he made the game frustrating for at least 4 people by doing that.

How is it frustrating if he wins without items? I would find that hilarious.

I highly doubt you would if someone in your ranked game did something like that. How would you feel if you lost? Would you still feel the same way?

As I said winning does not make that ok. His case was reviewed by Riot and they pretty much said "Playing itemless is not a build" and stated something along the lines of this "If you all agreed to it then it's fine, but in the end this is a form of griefing" following with them throwing around the work "jerk" a few times lol. Take that as you will.

So in other words and I've went over this in this thread a long time ago you can actually get banned for building stupid shit if you get reported enough.

Edit: Going to see if i can find this thread or at least Riots official statement on playing against the meta, item builds etc..

Playing without items isn't playing to win.

You're going to lose in a fight to anyone with even one doran's. Which isn't playing to win.

Even if you play with some derp build like AP Caitlyn, you are building items which means you are playing to win.

Here is a funny little thing from Riot Support. I'm sure I posted this here before.
http://i.imgur.com/bbjKP.jpg

reddit thread: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends ... _the_meta/

TL;DR: Riot doesn't specifically say they enforce the meta, but playing against the meta when four other people on your team say no will get you banned. It's called refusing to communicate with your team.

I've already gotten a temp ban for this btw so they aren't messing around lol.

The bananas were too much for him and yes I know i'm a Soraka tryhard.

Vulf wrote:

I've already gotten a temp ban for this btw so they aren't messing around lol.

Outta curiosity, what for? Roam Annie?

Vulf wrote:

Here is a funny little thing from Riot Support. I'm sure I posted this here before.
http://i.imgur.com/bbjKP.jpg

I find it funny that one of the things he/she lists is Support Fiddlesticks without support items. I see people go 'support' all the time without support items... (Tryndamere, Lux, Annie in the last two to three months).

I don't care if you go AD LeBlanc jungle, especially if it is working (and obviously itemless Vlad seems to be working). For me reporting someone for this is just being bitter about your loss and trying to shift the blame. Reporting is for people with bad manners and not for people who play "bad" or "against the meta", at least in my opinion.

That's what the mute button is for. I don't care what kind of assholes I'm playing with, as long as they do their job correctly I'm fine with that. But if they feel the need to troll (i.e. not buying items) that's a reason for me to report someone because that means they're not even trying to win.

Tshemmp wrote:

I don't care if you go AD LeBlanc jungle, especially if it is working (and obviously itemless Vlad seems to be working). For me reporting someone for this is just being bitter about your loss and trying to shift the blame. Reporting is for people with bad manners and not for people who play "bad" or "against the meta", at least in my opinion.

So you out of about 100 or even 10,000 people may feel that way. It's just a game? Personally I would see it as trolling if I saw someone go itemless purposely with no context, and you bet your ass I would report him just to spare others from having to deal with that. It's like saying I'm going to be a complete douche in every game, but it's okay because I'm trying to prove a point and I'm also winning games. =\

Point = Winning games does not make you immune to punishment for acting like a dick or doing stupid shit like going itemless.

@justykanna

Roam Annie was a few games yes, but it was multiple games probably about 10 or so which is why i got banned. Doing something like this in one game won't get you banned.

That screen was taken may of 2012 before fiddle support was a common pick. This just proves that riot does indeed enforce the meta. They just don't want to say they do officially.

Edit: Just to clarify I'm against riot ever trying to enforce the meta It's stupid. My last 10-15 games on Summoners Rift have been support Warwick which is definitely not a standard support pick. Thing is I do it mostly in premades and in solo queue I ask my team if it's okay if I play it. If not I'll play taric instead no big deal at all.

I don't know what to say.

Not AI game, can screenie match history to prove if needed lolol.

idk man even an itemlesss vlad can still give his team a 12% damage amp

so long as you don't die 24/7 you're still contributing something ;D

Bakano wrote:

I don't know what to say.

Not AI game, can screenie match history to prove if needed lolol.

I'd love to see that thing crit when you hit with spellblade. Would probably go to about something like 2k plus damage.

One hit'd 1.8k HP LB(100 armor) without my E. It was a crit plus I had ult on(prolly stacked up to 360 ad only, so not much).

On wraith camp.. 2.2k(crit) on the big wraith

Justykanna wrote:

Vulf wrote:

I've already gotten a temp ban for this btw so they aren't messing around lol.

Outta curiosity, what for? Roam Annie?

Vulf wrote:

Here is a funny little thing from Riot Support. I'm sure I posted this here before.
http://i.imgur.com/bbjKP.jpg

I find it funny that one of the things he/she lists is Support Fiddlesticks without support items. I see people go 'support' all the time without support items... (Tryndamere, Lux, Annie in the last two to three months).

Doesn't work above bronze lol. Other team will have complete vision control and can get picks and free objectives while you are pretty much blind when they sweep all your trinket wards and you never have dragon or baron warded

BrokenArrow wrote:

That's what the mute button is for.

Some people really should use it more than they do. I mean, I've seen teams argue a LOT... simple solution: mute!

Bakano wrote:

I don't know what to say.

Not AI game, can screenie match history to prove if needed lolol.

1000? Wow. Very nice. I had like... 550 at most one game (the time I got a penta... xD)

Vulf wrote:

Edit: Just to clarify I'm against riot ever trying to enforce the meta It's stupid. My last 10-15 games on Summoners Rift have been support Warwick which is definitely not a standard support pick. Thing is I do it mostly in premades and in solo queue I ask my team if it's okay if I play it. If not I'll play taric instead no big deal at all.

I like that. Some people just make their own support picks without asking...

Kanye West wrote:

Doesn't work above bronze lol. Other team will have complete vision control and can get picks and free objectives while you are pretty much blind when they sweep all your trinket wards and you never have dragon or baron warded

Most of those times, it didn't even work lol. I think some people just don't learn to support / get a support champion.

that clg vs atn game hahahahahah so good

dat explosive cast doe

Beer OP

Holy shit why does Kev1n look so fucking angry all the time
it looks like he's about to kill someone

i haven't seen dexter change his facial expression for the past 2 hours



also jree has been really sick with the flays and the ults these past two games

Jree played really really well, on-point with Leona and the flays too

At the same time aphromoo wasn't that great, he had no impact on the game at all in the 2nd game

And doublelift is still the best decision maker NA kappa

kerp confirmed to be faker

also woo go EG krepo has been playing so so well. not just krepo either, the whole team has been playing in such a coordinated and decisive way wow

"pobelter is overrated" - arthelon talks shit gets hit

Pobelter played like a god, the team synergy was so good too holy shit

Looking forward to watching this team in LCS. I think they're top 4 for sure. Definitely better than dig, crs, and clg.

tyrael6192 wrote:

kerp confirmed to be faker

also woo go EG krepo has been playing so so well. not just krepo either, the whole team has been playing in such a coordinated and decisive way wow

"pobelter is overrated" - arthelon talks shit gets hit

Krepo main weakness though is him trying too hard to get those picks and plays, which can be easily baited in mistakes or counterganks. And he often finds himself in bad situations. Though it seems NA doesn't abuse this weakness yet.

it's certainly fun to watch though

also this is cute as hell im gonna die

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Warwick got picked top in bota lol. Whelp FoTM incoming followed by a nerf.

Rework needs to happen now!

Vulf wrote:

Warwick got picked top in bota lol. Whelp FoTM incoming followed by a nerf.

Rework needs to happen now!

cuz jungle karma was a big hit

Vulf wrote:

Warwick got picked top in bota lol. Whelp FoTM incoming followed by a nerf.

Rework needs to happen now!

gambit picked amumu supp and shyvana ap right ? I saw rabadon on shyvana but maybe darien was just trolling at the end õ_o

Won't take much. Last time Warwick was FoTM actually FoTW because he was nerfed almost immediately. He does a lot of things riot hates and thats why he has been kept in a shitty spot for so long, but since riot likes to nerf nerf nerf nerf it eventually will get to the point people start spamming him as an immovable rock top again. Nerf cycle OP.

Such is the fate of all MOBA

Is it? I haven't really played much dota 2 since the cb almost 2 years ago, but I have been playing a lot of Smite lately and there isn't much nerfs compared to kit reworks and buffs. Then again it's still in beta until march 2014.

All a nerf cycle really does is make the game stale over time look at league for example. There is a difference between a champion being strong and broken, but it seems people don't know the difference. If something is strong just buff the weaker stuff so it can compete.

At this point I would much rather everything be OP because at least then it will get to the point you would have to outplay your opponent to win instead of winning because the champion you picked is better than 90% of the other champions in that same role.

I've been playing both DOTA ang LOL for along time now and both has had some extreme nerfs over the years. (Don't know about HON though since I don't play it) Only thing is League's nerfs affects the game heavily because of it's simplicity. When nerfs are done in DOTA or DOTA 2 it Isn't much of a big deal since there are tons of ways to counter said nerf. But I do agree that Riot nerfs and overpowers champs too often. They should take a lesson from Icefrog and balance champs as best as they can and not keep rotating OPs and Nefrs.

Edit: also Dota 2 has also used the "nerf one guy and buff the other" tactic (I.E. Alchemist ult nerf and blood seeker movement speed exeeding max buff in the same patch).
Seems both MOBA tycoons use this tactic. We may not understand it but there is probably a reason to why they do this.

I agree.

It's easier to nerf something than it is to buff unfortunately. If something falls to the depths after a nerf it's better for the game as opposed to the opposite as long as it's in small doses, but that's not the case in league since this is the product of years of nerfs with minimal buffs to the weaker champs that have been weak for a very long time. I honestly think Riot is getting lazy with things. They use the "lack of resources" excuse way too much it's quite funny actually since that was their main excuse with the no winter summoners rift. Then some guy makes a custom winter map in about a week http://yurixyworks.com/category/game-mo ... oner-rift/. They throw so much into the esports scene that it's starting to screw over some of it's players. It's just sad.

I've delved into icefrogs work and I don't know why this guy gets so much hate for his work. He is single handily doing a much better job than the balance team at Riot currently.

oh hi ezreal

So, NA > EU Kappa

Kanye West wrote:

So, NA > EU Kappa

NA challenger is EU bronze V

Ceph23 wrote:

I've been playing both DOTA ang LOL for along time now and both has had some extreme nerfs over the years. (Don't know about HON though since I don't play it) Only thing is League's nerfs affects the game heavily because of it's simplicity. When nerfs are done in DOTA or DOTA 2 it Isn't much of a big deal since there are tons of ways to counter said nerf. But I do agree that Riot nerfs and overpowers champs too often. They should take a lesson from Icefrog and balance champs as best as they can and not keep rotating OPs and Nefrs.

Edit: also Dota 2 has also used the "nerf one guy and buff the other" tactic (I.E. Alchemist ult nerf and blood seeker movement speed exeeding max buff in the same patch).
Seems both MOBA tycoons use this tactic. We may not understand it but there is probably a reason to why they do this.

I have to say nerfing in Dota is nowhere near the level of LoL. Here is a summary of all balancing changes to Dota heroes over the past few years http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1349921 buffs are green, nerfs are pink. As you can see there are WAY more buffs than nerfs.

Kanye West wrote:

So, NA > EU Kappa

C9 played well, Fnatic was not even close to the level they played at last split and at worlds. Sad to see, cyanide says a part is having Rekkles now which doesn't play TF carries like Puszu and forces him to make early plays. In my opinion xpeke doesn't shine anymore and gets so much behind every time in lane, in combination with some questionable team setups.

Think this tournament mainly showed how much EU is stronger in general and how NA mainly consists out of TSM and C9. Vulcun didn't really look promising and played really sloppy.

I hope LD does fine this LCS split, I think they can do decently and only being together for 2 weeks allowed TSM to stomp them, though they played the 2nd game not too bad.

eu is shit
na is shit
we're all shit

korea is the shit

maal wrote:

eu is shit
na is shit
we're all shit

korea is the shit

+1

SiFly wrote:

Kanye West wrote:

So, NA > EU Kappa

C9 played well, Fnatic was not even close to the level they played at last split and at worlds. Sad to see, cyanide says a part is having Rekkles now which doesn't play TF carries like Puszu and forces him to make early plays. In my opinion xpeke doesn't shine anymore and gets so much behind every time in lane, in combination with some questionable team setups.

Think this tournament mainly showed how much EU is stronger in general and how NA mainly consists out of TSM and C9. Vulcun didn't really look promising and played really sloppy.

I hope LD does fine this LCS split, I think they can do decently and only being together for 2 weeks allowed TSM to stomp them, though they played the 2nd game not too bad.

Yeah most of the matchups for BotA were really bad. Should have been C9 vs Gambit and TSM vs Alliance/Fnatic imo. But yeah I agree EU as a whole seems to have many really good teams. 7/8 EU LCS teams look really damn good while only C9 and TSM can really compete internationally from NA. And I think Fnatic just needs some time to adapt to the current meta and they'll be top tier again

And then you have Korea where even the bronze 5 ranked teams are better than our pro teams kappa

me = genius

i guess i beat my record of assists lel

TKiller wrote:

me = genius

Hi Akali

Tshemmp wrote:

I have to say nerfing in Dota is nowhere near the level of LoL. Here is a summary of all balancing changes to Dota heroes over the past few years http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1349921 buffs are green, nerfs are pink. As you can see there are WAY more buffs than nerfs.

Thanks for posting this!

Now when someone tries to tell me that dota balances the same way as league does I know they are full of crap.

aaaaaw so cute :$

MERRY CHRISTMAS LEAGUE THREAD

tyrael6192 wrote:

MERRY CHRISTMAS LEAGUE THREAD

merry christmas dimmer

merry christmas email

Pls cry more, Taric....just please.

WTF. A bieber is retiring from music and planning to become a pro league player/streamer? please tell me this is not true

Slith wrote:

WTF. A bieber is retiring from music and planning to become a pro league player/streamer? please tell me this is not true

What? Where did you hear this?

Ceph23 wrote:

Slith wrote:

WTF. A bieber is retiring from music and planning to become a pro league player/streamer? please tell me this is not true

What? Where did you hear this?

Who believes that shit

SoG Tava wrote:

Slith wrote:

WTF. A bieber is retiring from music and planning to become a pro league player/streamer? please tell me this is not true

What? Where did you hear this?

my friend shared it to me. here it is https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=639801159398834&set=a.430978590281093.94453.430976320281320&type=1&theater

sounds legit

it pretty much hurts for me, how that thing will interact with team mates and such. though i'll just laugh

You aren't seriously believing this, are you?

Also fastest win ever confirmed

critplank op, eune op, kata op

Also, I highly doubt that's real. But if it is, I'm going to make him sing "Baby baby baby, run"

Toughts on Yasuo so far ? , i realy enjoy playing him , he has a great potential

He's really fun to play and juke around, his teamfights are kinda meh if you don't get a good ult off
Really dumb to play against since he doesn't have cooldowns and ressources, a pretty strong shield and his ridiculous crit passive

I hope Riot is either gonna change that passive and/or give his E a higher CD

those wrote:

TKiller wrote:

me = genius

Hi Akali

That was actually an experiment for Pantheon which went quite okay more than once. Been using those quints on Akali for the past week as well, but hybrid pen marks.

I feel like spellvamp quints are highly underrated overall. With WotA being weird as it is now, Akali sustain nerfed really hard back when Lich Bane became magic on-hit, and still no spellvamp items for AD champions Gunblade AD part being nerfed long ago, I find them worth using myself, especially over AD quints which I pretty much only use for stuff like level 1-2 kills.

On Patheon those allowed me to clear waves mid-end game between skirmishes much faster while still recovering HP. Much more minor sustain improvement early, but noticable. Also despite E being AoE, it still recovers a plenty of HP when used on a pack of minons/more than 1 champion.

I don't expect to kill opponent before hitting level 7 on Akali, when you have more than 1 ultimate stack. At this point AP quints become much less valuable with base damage rising and ap/level kicking in. If the laner is terrible enough to get killed before, you don't really need AP quints either. Questionable in friendly gank situations. Doran's shield + pot start kills your pre 4-5 trades, AP quints or not; Doran's ring + 2 pots make your enemy much stronger, so you have to use Q to trade less, and when you actually trade, those 2 health pots come in; Flask+pots - you got the point.

Vlad is yet to be tested but revolver gets you a low amount of ap for a high cost, WotA upgrade is quite costly and gives less AP than before, useful CDR and useless mana regen. Spellvamp quints give you half of revolver spellvamp, making getting AP items straight away more tempting. MS quints might still be king for Vlad though, I don't know.

Mundo! Last hitting with cleavers is costly even with half cost returned, hard to notice with high base hp regen, but it actually is. Much more noticable if you're getting damaged while doing so. Spellvamp quints make cleavers return much more health when hitting, also later in the game hitting high health targets returns even more (and you have a spirit visage). Plus there's not much quints impactful for Mundo anyway (%HP? Hue.)

I'd use those one Ryze, but I am currently building WotA on him and feeling quite good. They'd still act like a Doran's blade for an ADC early game.

Had funny results with Kha'Zix, but I'm not much of a Kha'Zix player. Still, insane spellvamp from isolated Q casts on low cooldown.

All in all, same with other utility quints, you sacrifice power for a unique stat. Fits my playstyle really good. Dunno how well it'll carry on when (if) I get higher in the ladder, since I'm only platinum 3 right now, got back to playing League without building Manamune Scarners top lane not so long ago.