NoHItter wrote:

Discussion? You don't have to pressure vote people early to get information. I prefer placing my votes after discussion has taken place.

fartownik wrote:

EBWODP: Forgot to mention. STOP BEING FUCKING SILLY. Flavor doesn't matter ANYHOW while judging the alignment in this game. I'm talking to Sephibro and Irreversible here. I stated that shit right in the beginning, and I thought you understood.

Sephibro wrote:

pieguy read this topic but he didn't answer, that's suspect.

fartownik wrote:

Sakura was writing up for a little while too. She decided to post only after I did though, with nothing else than a response to me as her first sentence.

Intredasting.

BRBP wrote:

What is my town meta then?

obv using dayvig on the first day without asking first

Irre wrote:

This might sound stupid now, but may I ask why i have a townread? People tend to trick me with that, so that's what gives be a slight scumread about you. Nevertheless, it's good that you're scumhunting.

rEdo wrote:

Sephibro wrote:

And tbh, i still think NoLynch is a good strategy for d1 in a game like this. Well, unless you want everyone to claim d1

mind to elaborate why do you think this is a good strategy? nevermind, you did that earlier. so what if we don't lynch anyone today? we also won't get to know ANYTHING from it, while the HS levels increase. we won't gain much by massclaiming either.

holy shit I just ended up typing the same stuff as farto did, AGAIN

FACK YOU STOP READING MY MIND WHILE I'M READING THE TOPIC AND RESPONDING TO THEM POSTS RESPECTIVELY IN ORDER

Sephibro wrote:

the nightkill only occours when someone reaches 5 HS, I don't think that someone can reach such a high value on n1 only

the game would we way too slow if scum couldn't add up less than 3 HS points, actually I believe it's more.

FoS: Sephibro

rEdo wrote:

don't wanna defend him or anything, but that could've gone out of curiousity. still, I have no idea what we're going to get even if everybody claims. in this game even Satoko could be scum, just for the shiggles, so setup speculation is pretty much useless at this point of the game.

FoS: Sephibro
gonna hold on with the vote, I wanna read some more from him.

pieguy1372 wrote:

NoHItter wrote:

Discussion? You don't have to pressure vote people early to get information. I prefer placing my votes after discussion has taken place.

backing your arguments with a vote helps a lot in getting discussion. proving my point :>

NoHitter wrote:

@farto:
You believe Sephibro's not scum, but you don't think he's town either based on your read list?

fartownik wrote:

As I said, it's not certain. I believe he's not scum, but I wouldn't put him on the townread list either since he still might end up being scum. The list consists pretty much safe bets of players being Town, Sephibro is yet to be one.

Rantai wrote:

I'm a little concerned at how fast that wagon formed with a lot of meta arguments being thrown around.

BRBP wrote:

Sakura wrote:

Vote: Blue Yoshi

Sakura wrote:

Unvote
Vote: NoHitter

Sakura wrote:

Unvote
Vote: Sephibro

This is literally all you've said. Can you even talk?

DakeDekaane wrote:

At this rate, no lynch is going to happen. Nice timing to change the wagon.

NoHItter wrote:

Was there really a need for you to FoS the same person twice?

NoHItter wrote:

This is starting to be more of a discussion about preferred method of play rather than the game itself...

Zexion_Vi wrote:

And here we go again, acussing me of scum because I'm being shy? I'm not posting too much because of my RL lol. I don't know what's "shy" about me. Also I'm not good on scumhunting.

Rantai wrote:

I don't see any logical or constructed defense.

Seems you ran out of steam for your half-assed anti-town plan fast and now resorting to baseless accusations.

DakeDekaane wrote:

At this rate, no lynch is going to happen. Nice timing to change the wagon.

Unvote
Vote: BRBP

DakeDekaane wrote:

Scum can't NK in this game, unless they can increase the HS level of one person multiple times in a single night, and I doubt there's a PR that can kill.

If we go for no-lynch we are relying too much in PRs, which I don't like too much, as it's mere luck that we can get useful interaction/results without risking our identities, this could lead to a massclaim, which I'm still neutral to do.

How is that random lynch thing? I can't see that happening or being suggested.

DakeDekaane wrote:

How is that random lynch thing? I can't see that happening or being suggested.

Sephibro wrote:

nice edit, i was about to correct that

Sakura wrote:

Town: NoHitter, Blue Yoshi, Irreversible.

Blue Yoshi wrote:

Sakura wrote:

Vote: Blue Yoshi

Explain por favor.

Sakura wrote:

Are you even reading the thread?

Sakura wrote:

Rantai wrote:

I'm a little concerned at how fast that wagon formed with a lot of meta arguments being thrown around.

I'm going to comment that my reason for Scum BRBP isn't meta related, but it is true I haven't mentioned it, I probably will do so next week if people still can't tell why or how I came up with those reads.

pieguy1372 wrote:

what is this I don't even
circular logic: Sephibro is mafia -> he's trying to set up some anti-town plan -> this -> he's mafia?
after my experience with Sakura I'm sticking to my damn playstyle of going for anyone who contradicts themselves or posts weird logic. for me I can perceive the town intent in his posts so this post seems really weird 0.0

pieguy1372 wrote:

I'm townreading BRBP atm. can't wait for your case on him ~

unvote vote: NoHItter

NoHItter wrote:

Was there really a need for you to FoS the same person twice?

what does him FoS'ing the same person twice imply?

pieguy1372 wrote:

NoHItter wrote:

This is starting to be more of a discussion about preferred method of play rather than the game itself...

it's not a discussion about a method of play. it's a discussion about your intent to find scum. given your previous games, I don't see a similar town intent to find scum in this game. = =

NoHItter wrote:

If you do FoS someone though and not vote someone, it's as if you're sitting on the fence. If that guy does turn out to be mafia while you didn't vote him, you can simply say that you FoS'd him. Essentially its like committing a vote without actually voting.

NoHItter wrote:

If that were true then why was I rereading the thread and looking for questionable things?

Dake wrote:

I wasn't afraid too much on voting BRBP as pieguy brought some points about him. (Even if he based on meta, thing which I don't like, but I'd want to trust him for now)

Rantai wrote:

but did you even have any reasons to vote him other than "oh he's got a wagon"?

Rantai wrote:

Assuming I'm even reading what you were trying to convey right: I never specifically said he's mafia, just I matched his scumpainting with scumpainting (I very specifically mentioned that intention) to make a point (ie his scumpainting attempts were annoying me so I shall do so back) while trying to make another point that his plan sucked for town.

Seems you ran out of steam for your half-assed anti-town plan fast and now resorting to baseless accusations.

Rantai wrote:

I never specifically said he's mafia, just I matched his scumpainting with scumpainting (I very specifically mentioned that intention) to make a point (ie his scumpainting attempts were annoying me so I shall do so back) while trying to make another point that his plan sucked for town.

fartownik wrote:

Also nice topic avoidance.

fartownik wrote:

The game is about that. A regular mafia game is not about PRs only, and you're rejecting the real way of playing it right now. PRs are a nice addition to the game, but they can't be treated as the main factor of winning it for the Town. Scum also has PRs and you don't know what they do (unless you're scum yourself, then you know what they do).

We're already past RVS so none of the lynches today will be random. We will gain information from it, it's better than No Lynch.

pieguy1372 wrote:

NoHItter wrote:

If you do FoS someone though and not vote someone, it's as if you're sitting on the fence. If that guy does turn out to be mafia while you didn't vote him, you can simply say that you FoS'd him. Essentially its like committing a vote without actually voting.

wait what? so by your own logic, you FoS'ing people before voting can be counted as fencesitting?

you FoS people cause "you're not suspicious enough to make a vote on them just yet". this implies you have an intent to leave yourself the possibility to not vote

by that statement, you're leaving yourself the possibility to fencesit

can we wagon this guy plz

pieguy1372 wrote:

NoHItter wrote:

If that were true then why was I rereading the thread and looking for questionable things?

cause scum totally can't do that for towncred

NoHItter wrote:

And who did I vote after I FoS'd Sephibro again? Please don't twist my words. FoS-ing is fine, but doing it twice to the same person without voting brings into question WHY someone FoS'd in the first place.

NoHItter wrote:

Then please tell me what "town intent to find scum" for you is if rereading the thread and looking for questionable things is not scumhunting at all.

pieguy1372 wrote:

are you implying this is a bad thing? So. A vote with no substantial reason and simply following the wagon is not cause for concern? I sure hope you're not implying the opposite unless you condone what is essentially sheeping.

no, I'm saying by saying this

Seems you ran out of steam for your half-assed anti-town plan fast and now resorting to baseless accusations.

you made an implicit assumption that he's mafia, and then you used this statement to draw the conclusion that he was mafia

There is no assumption of him being mafia in there, I was calling him out for 1. His ill thought out plan. 2. His anti-town plan (which it was if executed) 3. He dodged my points and simply said me and sakura for mafia. Actually I never assumed he was mafia at all, ever. I may have implied it through the scumpainting though. The only thing I "assumed" was he didn't think his plan through at all (reiterated below anyway).

Rantai wrote:

I never specifically said he's mafia, just I matched his scumpainting with scumpainting (I very specifically mentioned that intention) to make a point (ie his scumpainting attempts were annoying me so I shall do so back) while trying to make another point that his plan sucked for town.

can you link where he was scumpainting you plz? mb I just missed it 0.0

Sephibro wrote:

It could be as you say...but are you telling this because you actually think it, or because you're afraid of that strategy?

Rantai wrote:

If you want to try to play the scumpainting game with me...

Actually my point throughout the entire thing was basically saying "this plan won't actually do anything beneficial for town" - if you notice from my early posts, I was attacked for questioning him, not me attacking him (I retaliated).

pieguy1372 wrote:

NoHItter wrote:

And who did I vote after I FoS'd Sephibro again? Please don't twist my words. FoS-ing is fine, but doing it twice to the same person without voting brings into question WHY someone FoS'd in the first place.

yeah you voted him but what if you didn't? then, by your own logic, if he flips scum you can be like "oh hey I knew there was something off about him".

pieguy1372 wrote:

NoHItter wrote:

Then please tell me what "town intent to find scum" for you is if rereading the thread and looking for questionable things is not scumhunting at all.

nice misrep, I never said it wasn't scumhunting

I just said scum can do that and/or make the claim they did that for towncred.

Irreversible wrote:

But what still bothers me is that farto even said he's scum, so he wants to get voted doesn't he? ><

pieguy1372 wrote:

fartownik wrote:

Also nice topic avoidance.

god he did it again
not sure if that makes you more or less suspicious, cause you did it after I explicitly said that argument doesn't work 0.0

BRBP wrote:

Haven't read previous page yet. Also a prod dodge, won't be around for a day or so.

BRBP wrote:

Irreversible wrote:

Also I suppose Sakura caught 2 scum in her reaction test, due to BRBP's reaction, so we should focus on them.

That makes no sense at all.

NoHitter wrote:

That's the point. FoS-ing by itself can mean fence sitting yes, but it's not enough to raise suspicion that much. It can truly be a gesture saying, "Hey I think this guy is suspicious." BUT the thing I was pointing out was that rEdo FoS'd Sephibro twice without voting him.

rEdo wrote:

Sakura isn't posting at all, she's just randomly voting with no real explanatation, not sure if busy or like Sephibro said, trying to play a cautious scum ._.

Blue Yoshi wrote:

Sakura wrote:

Vote: Blue Yoshi

Explain por favor.

Sephibro wrote:

again, Sakura and Rantai are the most suspect ones, followed by DD and NH, Blue Yoshi still didn't post

Irreversible wrote:

Rantai, I said something about agressive answer yes. Just the way he acted: 'can you even talk' is just not a really calm manner, don't you think? Also I suppose Sakura caught 2 scum in her reaction test, due to BRBP's reaction, so we should focus on them. (Sephi and BRBP themselves, Sephi and NoHitter, BRBP and NoHitter, or all (if it's possible, afaik we don't know how many scum there is,right?)

Sephibro wrote:

cause you're scum and thus you know the identity of all the town?

Sakura wrote:

Yeah, his claim doesn't clear him like at all, but I don't think a full claim is necessary unless at L-1 with intent.

As for the results Irre's been waiting for.

Town: NoHitter, Blue Yoshi, Irreversible.

Scum: BRBP, Sephibro.

Yeah I was indeed reaction testing, i'm just gonna out the results for now and see if anyone can tell how I got those results.

NoHItter wrote:

Then please tell me what things you consider to be "town intent to find scum"

Rantai wrote:

So. A vote with no substantial reason and simply following the wagon is not cause for concern? I sure hope you're not implying the opposite unless you condone what is essentially sheeping.

Rantai wrote:

@redo - If anything I'm more concerned about pieguy's tunnel vision on NH. Or it could just be me being biased about the fact that their entire back and forth started on a bloody meta argument.

Rantai wrote:

I may have implied it through the scumpainting though

fartownik wrote:

I was referring to Sephibro pointing out my post edit instead of commenting on my status on him.

Irreversible wrote:

Also I suppose Sakura caught 2 scum in her reaction test, due to BRBP's reaction, so we should focus on them. (Sephi and BRBP themselves, Sephi and NoHitter, BRBP and NoHitter, or all (if it's possible, afaik we don't know how many scum there is,right?)

Sephibro wrote:

btw BRBP's behaviour is really close to his own in Information Mafia, where he was scum. I agree on pressuring him

Sakura wrote:

the speed of sephibro's wagon while not alignment indicative is something I don't like.

Rantai wrote:

Yeah, exceptional activity!

Unofficial Votecount wrote:

[3] BRBP -- fartownik, Sakura, Irreversible
[3] Sephibro -- Zexion_Vi, NoHitter, DakeDekaane
[2] Sakura -- BlueYoshi, Sephibro
[1] NoHitter -- pieguy1372
[1] pieguy1372 -- Rantai
[0] Blue Yoshi --
[0] DakeDekaane --
[0] fartownik --
[0] Irreversible --
[0] Rantai --
[0] rEdo --
[0] Zexion_Vi --

Not Voting -- rEdo, BRBP
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