o.o has there been 1 before?DakeDekaane wrote:
At this rate, no lynch is going to happen. Nice timing to change the wagon.
Unvote
Vote: BRBP
o.o has there been 1 before?DakeDekaane wrote:
At this rate, no lynch is going to happen. Nice timing to change the wagon.
Unvote
Vote: BRBP
I don't think so. As it was stated before, the game would be way too slow or too difficult if the scum couldn't increase multiple HS levels in a night. Taking a wild guess here, but its plausible to say they could kill a person a night if all of them targeted the same person.DakeDekaane wrote:
Scum can't NK in this game, unless they can increase the HS level of one person multiple times in a single night, and I doubt there's a PR that can kill.
If we go for no-lynch we are relying too much in PRs, which I don't like too much, as it's mere luck that we can get useful interaction/results without risking our identities, this could lead to a massclaim, which I'm still neutral to do.
How is that random lynch thing? I can't see that happening or being suggested.
It means lynching someone with nothing more than just a feeling of him being scum. Policy lynch is lynching someone because he did something that may be scummy or anti-townDakeDekaane wrote:
How is that random lynch thing? I can't see that happening or being suggested.
Sephibro wrote:
nice edit, i was about to correct that
How can you townread someone who didn't talk at all?Sakura wrote:
Town: NoHitter, Blue Yoshi, Irreversible.
Blue Yoshi wrote:
Explain por favor.Sakura wrote:
Vote: Blue Yoshi
i don't think you can handle many games at once, are you sure you posted in the right one?Sakura wrote:
Are you even reading the thread?
BY was also included in the reaction test, so this applies to him as well as NH and you, apologies for not specifying.Sakura wrote:
I'm going to comment that my reason for Scum BRBP isn't meta related, but it is true I haven't mentioned it, I probably will do so next week if people still can't tell why or how I came up with those reads.Rantai wrote:
I'm a little concerned at how fast that wagon formed with a lot of meta arguments being thrown around.
You might want to self vote as that made absolutely no sense.pieguy1372 wrote:
what is this I don't even
circular logic: Sephibro is mafia -> he's trying to set up some anti-town plan -> this -> he's mafia?
after my experience with Sakura I'm sticking to my damn playstyle of going for anyone who contradicts themselves or posts weird logic. for me I can perceive the town intent in his posts so this post seems really weird 0.0
An FoS by itself tells people that "You're suspicious of X", but not ready to vote for him yet. Many people FoS one person after the vote someone more suspicious, or like me, do it at the start before placing down their votes.pieguy1372 wrote:
I'm townreading BRBP atm. can't wait for your case on him ~
unvote vote: NoHItterwhat does him FoS'ing the same person twice imply?NoHItter wrote:
Was there really a need for you to FoS the same person twice?
If that were true then why was I rereading the thread and looking for questionable things? (remember what I pointed out re: rEdo?) I am scumhunting, just in a different way than my usual "big plans", because I didn't think a "big plan" was viable for this game.pieguy1372 wrote:
it's not a discussion about a method of play. it's a discussion about your intent to find scum. given your previous games, I don't see a similar town intent to find scum in this game. = =NoHItter wrote:
This is starting to be more of a discussion about preferred method of play rather than the game itself...
wait what? so by your own logic, you FoS'ing people before voting can be counted as fencesitting?NoHItter wrote:
If you do FoS someone though and not vote someone, it's as if you're sitting on the fence. If that guy does turn out to be mafia while you didn't vote him, you can simply say that you FoS'd him. Essentially its like committing a vote without actually voting.
cause scum totally can't do that for towncredNoHItter wrote:
If that were true then why was I rereading the thread and looking for questionable things?
wait, me? watDake wrote:
I wasn't afraid too much on voting BRBP as pieguy brought some points about him. (Even if he based on meta, thing which I don't like, but I'd want to trust him for now)
are you implying this is a bad thing?Rantai wrote:
but did you even have any reasons to vote him other than "oh he's got a wagon"?
no, I'm saying by saying thisRantai wrote:
Assuming I'm even reading what you were trying to convey right: I never specifically said he's mafia, just I matched his scumpainting with scumpainting (I very specifically mentioned that intention) to make a point (ie his scumpainting attempts were annoying me so I shall do so back) while trying to make another point that his plan sucked for town.
Seems you ran out of steam for your half-assed anti-town plan fast and now resorting to baseless accusations.you made an implicit assumption that he's mafia, and then you used this statement to draw the conclusion that he was mafia
can you link where he was scumpainting you plz? mb I just missed it 0.0Rantai wrote:
I never specifically said he's mafia, just I matched his scumpainting with scumpainting (I very specifically mentioned that intention) to make a point (ie his scumpainting attempts were annoying me so I shall do so back) while trying to make another point that his plan sucked for town.
god he did it againfartownik wrote:
Also nice topic avoidance.
exactly what I wanna say againfartownik wrote:
The game is about that. A regular mafia game is not about PRs only, and you're rejecting the real way of playing it right now. PRs are a nice addition to the game, but they can't be treated as the main factor of winning it for the Town. Scum also has PRs and you don't know what they do (unless you're scum yourself, then you know what they do).
We're already past RVS so none of the lynches today will be random. We will gain information from it, it's better than No Lynch.
And who did I vote after I FoS'd Sephibro again? Please don't twist my words. FoS-ing is fine, but doing it twice to the same person without voting brings into question WHY someone FoS'd in the first place.pieguy1372 wrote:
wait what? so by your own logic, you FoS'ing people before voting can be counted as fencesitting?NoHItter wrote:
If you do FoS someone though and not vote someone, it's as if you're sitting on the fence. If that guy does turn out to be mafia while you didn't vote him, you can simply say that you FoS'd him. Essentially its like committing a vote without actually voting.
you FoS people cause "you're not suspicious enough to make a vote on them just yet". this implies you have an intent to leave yourself the possibility to not vote
by that statement, you're leaving yourself the possibility to fencesit
can we wagon this guy plz
Then please tell me what "town intent to find scum" for you is if rereading the thread and looking for questionable things is not scumhunting at all.pieguy1372 wrote:
cause scum totally can't do that for towncredNoHItter wrote:
If that were true then why was I rereading the thread and looking for questionable things?
yeah you voted him but what if you didn't? then, by your own logic, if he flips scum you can be like "oh hey I knew there was something off about him".NoHItter wrote:
And who did I vote after I FoS'd Sephibro again? Please don't twist my words. FoS-ing is fine, but doing it twice to the same person without voting brings into question WHY someone FoS'd in the first place.
nice misrep, I never said it wasn't scumhuntingNoHItter wrote:
Then please tell me what "town intent to find scum" for you is if rereading the thread and looking for questionable things is not scumhunting at all.
pieguy1372 wrote:
are you implying this is a bad thing? So. A vote with no substantial reason and simply following the wagon is not cause for concern? I sure hope you're not implying the opposite unless you condone what is essentially sheeping.
no, I'm saying by saying thisSeems you ran out of steam for your half-assed anti-town plan fast and now resorting to baseless accusations.you made an implicit assumption that he's mafia, and then you used this statement to draw the conclusion that he was mafia
There is no assumption of him being mafia in there, I was calling him out for 1. His ill thought out plan. 2. His anti-town plan (which it was if executed) 3. He dodged my points and simply said me and sakura for mafia. Actually I never assumed he was mafia at all, ever. I may have implied it through the scumpainting though. The only thing I "assumed" was he didn't think his plan through at all (reiterated below anyway).can you link where he was scumpainting you plz? mb I just missed it 0.0Rantai wrote:
I never specifically said he's mafia, just I matched his scumpainting with scumpainting (I very specifically mentioned that intention) to make a point (ie his scumpainting attempts were annoying me so I shall do so back) while trying to make another point that his plan sucked for town.Sephibro wrote:
It could be as you say...but are you telling this because you actually think it, or because you're afraid of that strategy?Actually my point throughout the entire thing was basically saying "this plan won't actually do anything beneficial for town" - if you notice from my early posts, I was attacked for questioning him, not me attacking him (I retaliated).Rantai wrote:
If you want to try to play the scumpainting game with me...
That's the point. FoS-ing by itself can mean fence sitting yes, but it's not enough to raise suspicion that much. It can truly be a gesture saying, "Hey I think this guy is suspicious." BUT the thing I was pointing out was that rEdo FoS'd Sephibro twice without voting him.pieguy1372 wrote:
yeah you voted him but what if you didn't? then, by your own logic, if he flips scum you can be like "oh hey I knew there was something off about him".NoHItter wrote:
And who did I vote after I FoS'd Sephibro again? Please don't twist my words. FoS-ing is fine, but doing it twice to the same person without voting brings into question WHY someone FoS'd in the first place.
Then please tell me what things you consider to be "town intent to find scum"pieguy1372 wrote:
nice misrep, I never said it wasn't scumhuntingNoHItter wrote:
Then please tell me what "town intent to find scum" for you is if rereading the thread and looking for questionable things is not scumhunting at all.
I just said scum can do that and/or make the claim they did that for towncred.
Null tell on this context.Irreversible wrote:
But what still bothers me is that farto even said he's scum, so he wants to get voted doesn't he? ><
whatpieguy1372 wrote:
god he did it againfartownik wrote:
Also nice topic avoidance.
not sure if that makes you more or less suspicious, cause you did it after I explicitly said that argument doesn't work 0.0
Yet you're reading stuff concerning you.BRBP wrote:
Haven't read previous page yet. Also a prod dodge, won't be around for a day or so.
You're right, I made a mistake : you MUST be involved in this scum-caught reaction thing, otherwise it wouldn't make much sense, you're rightBRBP wrote:
That makes no sense at all.Irreversible wrote:
Also I suppose Sakura caught 2 scum in her reaction test, due to BRBP's reaction, so we should focus on them.
I already responded to that - I simply forgot that I did that for the first time, and at the moment I've posted a second FoS, I wanted some more information about Sephibro. you're just drilling into this too much.NoHitter wrote:
That's the point. FoS-ing by itself can mean fence sitting yes, but it's not enough to raise suspicion that much. It can truly be a gesture saying, "Hey I think this guy is suspicious." BUT the thing I was pointing out was that rEdo FoS'd Sephibro twice without voting him.
Apparently BRBP isnt the only one not reading the thread.rEdo wrote:
Sakura isn't posting at all, she's just randomly voting with no real explanatation, not sure if busy or like Sephibro said, trying to play a cautious scum ._.
(p/2611149) This was Blue Yoshi's last postBlue Yoshi wrote:
Explain por favor.Sakura wrote:
Vote: Blue Yoshi
Yet you still struggle to make a single decent case on me.Sephibro wrote:
again, Sakura and Rantai are the most suspect ones, followed by DD and NH, Blue Yoshi still didn't post
Eh I don't see how that indicates anything but I can at least see what you mean by aggression.Irreversible wrote:
Rantai, I said something about agressive answer yes. Just the way he acted: 'can you even talk' is just not a really calm manner, don't you think? Also I suppose Sakura caught 2 scum in her reaction test, due to BRBP's reaction, so we should focus on them. (Sephi and BRBP themselves, Sephi and NoHitter, BRBP and NoHitter, or all (if it's possible, afaik we don't know how many scum there is,right?)
Wow are you really that dense.Sephibro wrote:
cause you're scum and thus you know the identity of all the town?
Sakura wrote:
Yeah, his claim doesn't clear him like at all, but I don't think a full claim is necessary unless at L-1 with intent.
As for the results Irre's been waiting for.
Town: NoHitter, Blue Yoshi, Irreversible.
Scum: BRBP, Sephibro.
Yeah I was indeed reaction testing, i'm just gonna out the results for now and see if anyone can tell how I got those results.
are you implying actions determine intent? cause it's the other way around, intent determines actionsNoHItter wrote:
Then please tell me what things you consider to be "town intent to find scum"
sometimes just jumping on a bandwagon to add pressure is a good ideaRantai wrote:
So. A vote with no substantial reason and simply following the wagon is not cause for concern? I sure hope you're not implying the opposite unless you condone what is essentially sheeping.
you're just mad cause I'm starting to push on you too ~Rantai wrote:
@redo - If anything I'm more concerned about pieguy's tunnel vision on NH. Or it could just be me being biased about the fact that their entire back and forth started on a bloody meta argument.
yeah that's what I meanRantai wrote:
I may have implied it through the scumpainting though
oh sryfartownik wrote:
I was referring to Sephibro pointing out my post edit instead of commenting on my status on him.
wait, what? Sakura called NH as town. she only called Sephi and BRBP as scum 0.0Irreversible wrote:
Also I suppose Sakura caught 2 scum in her reaction test, due to BRBP's reaction, so we should focus on them. (Sephi and BRBP themselves, Sephi and NoHitter, BRBP and NoHitter, or all (if it's possible, afaik we don't know how many scum there is,right?)
what about fartownik and Rantai?Sephibro wrote:
btw BRBP's behaviour is really close to his own in Information Mafia, where he was scum. I agree on pressuring him
this. even if it was just for pressure, something about that wagon just seems off for me >_<//Sakura wrote:
the speed of sephibro's wagon while not alignment indicative is something I don't like.
Yo scum man.Rantai wrote:
Yeah, exceptional activity!
Actually... the pair of Sephibro & rEdo seems overly plausible in my head at the moment.Unofficial Votecount wrote:
[3] BRBP -- fartownik, Sakura, Irreversible
[3] Sephibro -- Zexion_Vi, NoHitter, DakeDekaane
[2] Sakura -- BlueYoshi, Sephibro
[1] NoHitter -- pieguy1372
[1] pieguy1372 -- Rantai
[0] Blue Yoshi --
[0] DakeDekaane --
[0] fartownik --
[0] Irreversible --
[0] Rantai --
[0] rEdo --
[0] Zexion_Vi --
Not Voting -- rEdo, BRBP
Deadline is at 10:30 AM CST (GMT-6) on 10/19.
that's an interesting pointIrreversible wrote:
Okay so, I find it quite suspicious that BRBP just doesn't talk anymore just because he has 3 votes on him.
answer my questionSephibro wrote:
this is exactly how BRBP was playing Information Mafia, in which he was scum, but i didn't play any game with him where he wasn't scum so i can't say
can you link where I'm "tunneling"? I'm trying to pressure NH a lot but I'm not focusing on just him. = =Rantai wrote:
I am staying on pieguy because his massive tunnel based on meta is giving off a lot of alarm bells, seems like it's forced to make it look like content.
can you explain why rEdo plz? you weren't even mentioning him anywhere before o.ofartownik wrote:
Actually... the pair of Sephibro & rEdo seems overly plausible in my head at the moment.
nah I wasn't referring to a claim, I was referring to a possible suspicious action that you might do if you get pressuredBRBP wrote:
Won't work. I refuse to let scum get a 1-by-1 massclaim by bringing everyone close to a lynch with just lazy pressure votes. Make a real case and try again.
nothing changed, i said the same thing in the two post. I think there are people who are scummier than you atm (read the last part of the second post), but since people are pressuring you now there is still a good case to pressuring you, and that's why i voted you the second time and not the first one. Also, i had already voted you beforeBRBP wrote:
Sephibro wrote:
this is exactly how BRBP was playing Information Mafia, in which he was scum, but i didn't play any game with him where he wasn't scum so i can't sayWhat changed your mind about relying on meta?Sephibro 3 days ago wrote:
btw BRBP's behaviour is really close to his own in Information Mafia, where he was scum. I agree on pressuring him
unvote, vote BRBP
I find it useless to vote him when he's on V/LA, since he probably won't be able to read and answer. It's just a waste of time and it would be very anti town to lynch him preventing him to talk more. There's actually no point in voting him right now. Regarding your previous question, i prefer not to answer for nowpieguy1372 wrote:
unvote
vote: NoHItter
wanna lynch NH with me? ~
Clearly flavor is more involved than how farto and Rantai want us to believeBlue Yoshi wrote:
Mion? Is that you?