it's still weird, you put tons of scumpartners, but yeah
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i didn't understand what you mean with thisIrreversible wrote:
you put tons of scumpartners
ahh i don't either. i go sleep now, it's 5 am here, and i just write some shit. maybe it's the wrong game, i'm sorry LOL
Yeah, his claim doesn't clear him like at all, but I don't think a full claim is necessary unless at L-1 with intent.
As for the results Irre's been waiting for.
Town: NoHitter, Blue Yoshi, Irreversible.
Scum: BRBP, Sephibro.
Yeah I was indeed reaction testing, i'm just gonna out the results for now and see if anyone can tell how I got those results.
As for the results Irre's been waiting for.
Town: NoHitter, Blue Yoshi, Irreversible.
Scum: BRBP, Sephibro.
Yeah I was indeed reaction testing, i'm just gonna out the results for now and see if anyone can tell how I got those results.
no, I didn't. :> I wanna know how you intend to find out who the mafia are by playing like this. without voting people to pressure them or get information, it becomes much harder to get "sure" information, at least IMO.NoHItter wrote:
I think you misread what I wrote. I said that I wouldn't vote someone quickly unless there was sure information. Since it's D1 and we have no sure information, I won't vote quickly.
why Sakura? I'm townreading her atmSephibro wrote:
Sakura + Rantai for scum imo
quoting NH because lazy
Don't you mind if you say why I'm in your scumlist?
Why do you have a town-read on pieguy?
Sephibro wrote:
re-read all my posts and you'll see that there's no incoherence in my thoughts
kNoHitter wrote:
Sephibro wrote:
pieguy read this topic but he didn't answer, that's suspect.Sephibro wrote:
pieguy is the only town leaning read i have for now
Don't you mind if you say why I'm in your scumlist?
Why do you have a town-read on pieguy?
Discussion? You don't have to pressure vote people early to get information. I prefer placing my votes after discussion has taken place.pieguy1372 wrote:
no, I didn't. :> I wanna know how you intend to find out who the mafia are by playing like this. without voting people to pressure them or get information, it becomes much harder to get "sure" information, at least IMO.
I don't understand this.Sephibro wrote:
Actually i wanted to AVOID a massclaim until i thought about that last strategy, but sinceknowing this, it is clear that a massclaim would be completely uselessCalignoBot wrote:
c. To be absolutely clear: Any character can be any alignment.
You knew that a massclaim was completely useless, but you still wanted to use it as a strategy???
don't wanna defend him or anything, but that could've gone out of curiousity. still, I have no idea what we're going to get even if everybody claims. in this game even Satoko could be scum, just for the shiggles, so setup speculation is pretty much useless at this point of the game.
FoS: Sephibro
gonna hold on with the vote, I wanna read some more from him.
FoS: Sephibro
gonna hold on with the vote, I wanna read some more from him.
with "those posts" i mean to propose the massclaim as a good strategy in the endSephibro wrote:
Btw i can tell you that my role's abilities and alignment are the same as anime character's, that's why i supposed it was like this for every character in the game and made those posts
Thinking about it, the best it would do is allow role speculation to occur, which doesn't really help town at all.rEdo wrote:
don't wanna defend him or anything, but that could've gone out of curiousity. still, I have no idea what we're going to get even if everybody claims. in this game even Satoko could be scum, just for the shiggles, so setup speculation is pretty much useless at this point of the game.
@Sakura, those who questioned your votes and those who attacked you for only voting (or a giant coincidence). Still don't quite understand how you came to your conclusions though (is it some sort of meta, this is actually a legit me dumb question), then again I have never quite understood your methods before.
I love how I'm being ignored.
I'm not ignore you if that makes you feel better.DakeDekaane wrote:
I love how I'm being ignored.
Sakura, what about the rest? :s
They are null, but they can wait to be sorted out, unless something that makes me think otherwise happens.
And are you going to tell the reasons why?
I've only heard from Rantai so far, what do YOU think?Irreversible wrote:
And are you going to tell the reasons why?
I'll re-read it, and post my thoughts
Okay, I got something i guess:
NoHitter + BlueYoshi town because they ASKED why you've voted them
whereas BRBP was acting quite agressive. About sephibro, probably because he just changes his object quite often?
This might sound stupid now, but may I ask why i have a townread? People tend to trick me with that, so that's what gives be a slight scumread about you. Nevertheless, it's good that you're scumhunting.
NoHitter + BlueYoshi town because they ASKED why you've voted them
whereas BRBP was acting quite agressive. About sephibro, probably because he just changes his object quite often?
This might sound stupid now, but may I ask why i have a townread? People tend to trick me with that, so that's what gives be a slight scumread about you. Nevertheless, it's good that you're scumhunting.
I believe Sakura is just making reaction tests. Pressure is put upon you when you are voted and often people say something they shouldn't have to. Anyways, seems like a good investigation. Pretty obvious Sephibro is scum, he just contradicted himself way too many times. And his reasons are just... meh.Irreversible wrote:
This might sound stupid now, but may I ask why i have a townread? People tend to trick me with that, so that's what gives be a slight scumread about you. Nevertheless, it's good that you're scumhunting.
Okay, read the past 6 pages.
Unvote
Town: Rantai, Sakura, Irreversible, pieguy
Scum: BRBP, Zexion_Vi, Blue Yoshi
Rest null.
Too many people pressure Sephibro already, too many of easy votes on him. Scum is on his wagon, and I believe he's not one. He makes silly points and proposes bad tactics, but that's just it. He would be more careful as scum. This is not certain, but I hope I'm not wrong here.
I liked how Sakura jumped in with exactly what I was thinking, putting in BRBP as her scumtell. You're only wrong about Sephibro imo.
Rantai is Town for opposing Sephibro's massclaim idea instead of taking advantages of it. I like the fact that he still didn't vote him, definitely a plus.
Irreversible is silly as always, Town.
pieguy made some nice points about NoHitter, also opposed the massclaim from Sephibro, similarily to Rantai not taking advantage of it.
BRBP, Zexion and Yoshi are all shy, I think there's about 90% chance of at least one scum in this group. BRBP's posts match his scum meta, that's why I scumread him + the fact that he pushed NH for not proposing massclaim. It was really... weird, especially after this topic was exhausted by pieguy. Seemed like a filler, or partner pushing.
Zexion is scum-null, pretty much filler posts with a sheep on Sephibro. Second best scum guess from the 'shy' list.
Yoshi is simply inactive, and I like to hit lurkers. Least priority from the list, but still high.
Vote: BRBP
BRBP always waits with his vote until the very end when he's scum. I believe if we gave him more time he'd jump on the Sephibro wagon without hesitation. Thinking off all the probabilities, this one would be the best. Come BRBP, answer me with a post full of hate and pointing out that I was inactive for past time as well.
Unvote
Town: Rantai, Sakura, Irreversible, pieguy
Scum: BRBP, Zexion_Vi, Blue Yoshi
Rest null.
Too many people pressure Sephibro already, too many of easy votes on him. Scum is on his wagon, and I believe he's not one. He makes silly points and proposes bad tactics, but that's just it. He would be more careful as scum. This is not certain, but I hope I'm not wrong here.
I liked how Sakura jumped in with exactly what I was thinking, putting in BRBP as her scumtell. You're only wrong about Sephibro imo.
Rantai is Town for opposing Sephibro's massclaim idea instead of taking advantages of it. I like the fact that he still didn't vote him, definitely a plus.
Irreversible is silly as always, Town.
pieguy made some nice points about NoHitter, also opposed the massclaim from Sephibro, similarily to Rantai not taking advantage of it.
BRBP, Zexion and Yoshi are all shy, I think there's about 90% chance of at least one scum in this group. BRBP's posts match his scum meta, that's why I scumread him + the fact that he pushed NH for not proposing massclaim. It was really... weird, especially after this topic was exhausted by pieguy. Seemed like a filler, or partner pushing.
Zexion is scum-null, pretty much filler posts with a sheep on Sephibro. Second best scum guess from the 'shy' list.
Yoshi is simply inactive, and I like to hit lurkers. Least priority from the list, but still high.
Vote: BRBP
BRBP always waits with his vote until the very end when he's scum. I believe if we gave him more time he'd jump on the Sephibro wagon without hesitation. Thinking off all the probabilities, this one would be the best. Come BRBP, answer me with a post full of hate and pointing out that I was inactive for past time as well.
EBWODP: Forgot to mention. STOP BEING FUCKING SILLY. Flavor doesn't matter ANYHOW while judging the alignment in this game. I'm talking to Sephibro and Irreversible here. I stated that shit right in the beginning, and I thought you understood.
Also Sephibro, claim your role. Claiming character only is pointless (and scummy with what you have done by trying to ensure us certain characters are confirmed Town).
Also Sephibro, claim your role. Claiming character only is pointless (and scummy with what you have done by trying to ensure us certain characters are confirmed Town).
Sephibro y u no posting after browsing, you were so talkative.
He's more interested in pretending to contribute getting people prodded obviously.
BRBP is someone i'd switch my vote to as well, the speed of sephibro's wagon while not alignment indicative is something I don't like.
Hmm...
Actually yeah, let's do this.
Unvote
Vote: BRBP
BRBP is someone i'd switch my vote to as well, the speed of sephibro's wagon while not alignment indicative is something I don't like.
Hmm...
Actually yeah, let's do this.
Unvote
Vote: BRBP
Sakura was writing up for a little while too. She decided to post only after I did though, with nothing else than a response to me as her first sentence.
Intredasting.
Intredasting.
i just wanted everybody to answer before doing it, but well this game is slow as fuck let's just do it
here are my abilities
Calming Presence: night active - i may visit one person a night, calming them down > target loses 2HS levels
Innocent Demeanor: passive - people who target me lose 1HS level
here are my abilities
Calming Presence: night active - i may visit one person a night, calming them down > target loses 2HS levels
Innocent Demeanor: passive - people who target me lose 1HS level
And here we go again, acussing me of scum because I'm being shy? I'm not posting too much because of my RL lol. I don't know what's "shy" about me. Also I'm not good on scumhunting.
Sephibro's "Calming Precence" may actually be useful to both town and scum lol. There should be a way to increase the mafia HS level too. (some ability maybe...?)
Sephibro's "Calming Precence" may actually be useful to both town and scum lol. There should be a way to increase the mafia HS level too. (some ability maybe...?)
Please dont ever target me with this.Sephibro wrote:
Calming Presence: night active - i may visit one person a night, calming them down > target loses 2HS levels
RogerSakura wrote:
.
btw BRBP's behaviour is really close to his own in Information Mafia, where he was scum. I agree on pressuring him
unvote, vote BRBP
Outside meta, was there anything else that strikes you as scum from BRBP? (I really don't like basing a vote solely on meta)
backing your arguments with a vote helps a lot in getting discussion. proving my point :>NoHItter wrote:
Discussion? You don't have to pressure vote people early to get information. I prefer placing my votes after discussion has taken place.
exactly what I want to sayfartownik wrote:
EBWODP: Forgot to mention. STOP BEING FUCKING SILLY. Flavor doesn't matter ANYHOW while judging the alignment in this game. I'm talking to Sephibro and Irreversible here. I stated that shit right in the beginning, and I thought you understood.
Sephibro wrote:
pieguy read this topic but he didn't answer, that's suspect.
@Sephibro: I'm so busy =A= I don't have the chance to post every time I look at the thread. I like to check back here every so often to keep up even if I don't have the chance to make a post orzfartownik wrote:
Sakura was writing up for a little while too. She decided to post only after I did though, with nothing else than a response to me as her first sentence.
Intredasting.
anyway, I don't like these kinds of arguments at all. mostly cause they don't work 0.0 sometimes people just leave the page open and other times they're thinking about what to post, and other times we get a case like what I did. I won't forget I used this argument against RB in Mystery Mafia and he ended up being town.
aside from that your post seems fine for me and your point on Sephibro is pretty much exactly what I want to say.. even if I can't see the logic for a massclaim, I can see town motivation in his posts
BRBP wrote:
What is my town meta then?
townIrre wrote:
This might sound stupid now, but may I ask why i have a townread? People tend to trick me with that, so that's what gives be a slight scumread about you. Nevertheless, it's good that you're scumhunting.
@farto:
You believe Sephibro's not scum, but you don't think he's town either based on your read list?
Also, rereading the thread made me kind of suspicious about rEdo as well:
You believe Sephibro's not scum, but you don't think he's town either based on your read list?
Also, rereading the thread made me kind of suspicious about rEdo as well:
rEdo wrote:
Sephibro wrote:
And tbh, i still think NoLynch is a good strategy for d1 in a game like this. Well, unless you want everyone to claim d1mind to elaborate why do you think this is a good strategy?nevermind, you did that earlier. so what if we don't lynch anyone today? we also won't get to know ANYTHING from it, while the HS levels increase. we won't gain much by massclaiming either.
holy shit I just ended up typing the same stuff as farto did, AGAIN
FACK YOU STOP READING MY MIND WHILE I'M READING THE TOPIC AND RESPONDING TO THEM POSTS RESPECTIVELY IN ORDERthe game would we way too slow if scum couldn't add up less than 3 HS points, actually I believe it's more.Sephibro wrote:
the nightkill only occours when someone reaches 5 HS, I don't think that someone can reach such a high value on n1 only
FoS: Sephibro
Was there really a need for you to FoS the same person twice?rEdo wrote:
don't wanna defend him or anything, but that could've gone out of curiousity. still, I have no idea what we're going to get even if everybody claims. in this game even Satoko could be scum, just for the shiggles, so setup speculation is pretty much useless at this point of the game.
FoS: Sephibro
gonna hold on with the vote, I wanna read some more from him.
EWBOP: Pressed submit by mistake
This is starting to be more of a discussion about preferred method of play rather than the game itself...pieguy1372 wrote:
backing your arguments with a vote helps a lot in getting discussion. proving my point :>NoHItter wrote:
Discussion? You don't have to pressure vote people early to get information. I prefer placing my votes after discussion has taken place.
simply forgot that I did that earlier - wanted to edit this out, but it's not allowed
As I said, it's not certain. I believe he's not scum, but I wouldn't put him on the townread list either since he still might end up being scum. The list consists pretty much safe bets of players being Town, Sephibro is yet to be one.NoHitter wrote:
@farto:
You believe Sephibro's not scum, but you don't think he's town either based on your read list?
Also a good observation of rEdo.
That's legit, i agree that i've been playing quite retarded lately; i had convinced myself that game alignment == anime alignment and blindly focused on that despite warnings.fartownik wrote:
As I said, it's not certain. I believe he's not scum, but I wouldn't put him on the townread list either since he still might end up being scum. The list consists pretty much safe bets of players being Town, Sephibro is yet to be one.
Hopefully if there's another role that can protect/decrease HS lvl maybe i can survive N1 too, and many things will be clearer on D2
Unvote
FoS: Sephibro
Vote: BRBP
If that was not agressive, what was it then? Another reason is that you don't give us any hints on other scum, so let's go, you could at least scumhunt but that's onot what you do
FoS: Sephibro
Vote: BRBP
If that was not agressive, what was it then? Another reason is that you don't give us any hints on other scum, so let's go, you could at least scumhunt but that's onot what you do
@mod - votecount if possible please
I'm a little concerned at how fast that wagon formed with a lot of meta arguments being thrown around. I don't have time to do the count myself but I want to see who is on and why.
I'm a little concerned at how fast that wagon formed with a lot of meta arguments being thrown around. I don't have time to do the count myself but I want to see who is on and why.
in this order, people who voted for BRBP were: fartownik, Sakura, me and Irre
I'm going to comment that my reason for Scum BRBP isn't meta related, but it is true I haven't mentioned it, I probably will do so next week if people still can't tell why or how I came up with those reads.Rantai wrote:
I'm a little concerned at how fast that wagon formed with a lot of meta arguments being thrown around.
BRBP wrote:
Sakura wrote:
Vote: Blue YoshiSakura wrote:
Unvote
Vote: NoHitterThis is literally all you've said. Can you even talk?Sakura wrote:
Unvote
Vote: Sephibro
At this rate, no lynch is going to happen. Nice timing to change the wagon.
Unvote
Vote: BRBP
Unvote
Vote: BRBP
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.05
A person going insane doesn't appreciate injections.
[5] BRBP -- fartownik, Sakura, Sephibro, Irreversible, DakeDekaane (L-2)
[2] Sephibro -- Zexion_Vi, NoHitter
[1] NoHitter -- pieguy1372
[1] pieguy1372 -- Rantai
[1] Sakura -- BlueYoshi
[0] Blue Yoshi --
[0] DakeDekaane --
[0] fartownik --
[0] Irreversible --
[0] Rantai --
[0] rEdo --
[0] Zexion_Vi --
Not Voting -- rEdo, BRBP
Deadline is at 10:30 AM CST (GMT-6) on 10/19.
A person going insane doesn't appreciate injections.
[5] BRBP -- fartownik, Sakura, Sephibro, Irreversible, DakeDekaane (L-2)
[2] Sephibro -- Zexion_Vi, NoHitter
[1] NoHitter -- pieguy1372
[1] pieguy1372 -- Rantai
[1] Sakura -- BlueYoshi
[0] Blue Yoshi --
[0] DakeDekaane --
[0] fartownik --
[0] Irreversible --
[0] Rantai --
[0] rEdo --
[0] Zexion_Vi --
Not Voting -- rEdo, BRBP
Deadline is at 10:30 AM CST (GMT-6) on 10/19.
Deadline is on the 19th... yeah no.DakeDekaane wrote:
At this rate, no lynch is going to happen. Nice timing to change the wagon.
policy lynch Sakura
unvote vote: Sakura
unvote vote: Sakura
You're gonna PL me every game after that aren't you.
yes ~~ =w=
Well good news, I doubt you'd be using the term policy lynch and specially after that one game ended if you knew beforehand I was town so you just won a super town read.
On other news BRBP is still scum.
On other news BRBP is still scum.
I'm townreading BRBP atm. can't wait for your case on him ~
unvote vote: NoHItter
circular logic: Sephibro is mafia -> he's trying to set up some anti-town plan -> this -> he's mafia?
after my experience with Sakura I'm sticking to my damn playstyle of going for anyone who contradicts themselves or posts weird logic. for me I can perceive the town intent in his posts so this post seems really weird 0.0
unvote vote: NoHItter
what does him FoS'ing the same person twice imply?NoHItter wrote:
Was there really a need for you to FoS the same person twice?
it's not a discussion about a method of play. it's a discussion about your intent to find scum. given your previous games, I don't see a similar town intent to find scum in this game. = =NoHItter wrote:
This is starting to be more of a discussion about preferred method of play rather than the game itself...
"here we go again" implies they did it before, can you link where they did it before plz? mb I just missed it @_@Zexion_Vi wrote:
And here we go again, acussing me of scum because I'm being shy? I'm not posting too much because of my RL lol. I don't know what's "shy" about me. Also I'm not good on scumhunting.
what is this I don't evenRantai wrote:
I don't see any logical or constructed defense.
Seems you ran out of steam for your half-assed anti-town plan fast and now resorting to baseless accusations.
circular logic: Sephibro is mafia -> he's trying to set up some anti-town plan -> this -> he's mafia?
after my experience with Sakura I'm sticking to my damn playstyle of going for anyone who contradicts themselves or posts weird logic. for me I can perceive the town intent in his posts so this post seems really weird 0.0
o.o has there been 1 before?DakeDekaane wrote:
At this rate, no lynch is going to happen. Nice timing to change the wagon.
Unvote
Vote: BRBP
Oops, my bad. I'm too used to dd/mm. But omg the 19.
Unvote
Vote: Sephibro
I have a stronger scum read on him and I'm still sticking with it.
inb4 Dake is scum.
Unvote
Vote: Sephibro
I have a stronger scum read on him and I'm still sticking with it.
inb4 Dake is scum.
And yes Irre, Sephibro's wagon.
i thought it was the 10th as well but yeah 10.19 wouldn't make much sense..didn't you say dake is scum already somewhere? @.@
How did you even think it was the 10th of the 19th month o.o
the deadline seems so high in compare to the other games i've played, i thought it's closer, but yeah idk.
Ehhh, if you played on MS you would see higher deadlines. I've even seen 27 day deadlines or stuff like 10 + Living players deadlines.
Dake is scum
and you're his partner?
Yes
.. -.- stop trolling
Our options are:
1. No Lynch - pros: since every character has at least one ability, we won't risk to lose any and we would still gather information from Nightkill's flip; if Nightkill does not occour it's all in town's favor, obviously. If we lynch a town and then another town dies N1, it's much worse than losing only one. cons: we have no chance of getting a scum killed D1 (but it's only 1/6, 1/4 or 1/3, depending if scum are 2, 3 or 4 IMO it's not worth)
2. Keep pressuring someone to get other possible information - pros: if we pressure a scum, there'll be a fakeclaim which we will eventually unmask. If we pressure a town, we'll also get useful information. cons: scum will read town's claims too
3. Policy Lynch - pros: we'll get information due to the flip. cons: we have high chance of getting a town lynched
My preference order is 1>2>3
For now it looks like I'm the only one to propose NL, most of you want a policy/random lynch and some want to pressure
Choose wisely
1. No Lynch - pros: since every character has at least one ability, we won't risk to lose any and we would still gather information from Nightkill's flip; if Nightkill does not occour it's all in town's favor, obviously. If we lynch a town and then another town dies N1, it's much worse than losing only one. cons: we have no chance of getting a scum killed D1 (but it's only 1/6, 1/4 or 1/3, depending if scum are 2, 3 or 4 IMO it's not worth)
2. Keep pressuring someone to get other possible information - pros: if we pressure a scum, there'll be a fakeclaim which we will eventually unmask. If we pressure a town, we'll also get useful information. cons: scum will read town's claims too
3. Policy Lynch - pros: we'll get information due to the flip. cons: we have high chance of getting a town lynched
My preference order is 1>2>3
For now it looks like I'm the only one to propose NL, most of you want a policy/random lynch and some want to pressure
Choose wisely
Scum can't NK in this game, unless they can increase the HS level of one person multiple times in a single night, and I doubt there's a PR that can kill.
If we go for no-lynch we are relying too much in PRs, which I don't like too much, as it's mere luck that we can get useful interaction/results without risking our identities, this could lead to a massclaim, which I'm still neutral to do.
How is that random lynch thing? I can't see that happening or being suggested.
If we go for no-lynch we are relying too much in PRs, which I don't like too much, as it's mere luck that we can get useful interaction/results without risking our identities, this could lead to a massclaim, which I'm still neutral to do.
How is that random lynch thing? I can't see that happening or being suggested.
I don't think so. As it was stated before, the game would be way too slow or too difficult if the scum couldn't increase multiple HS levels in a night. Taking a wild guess here, but its plausible to say they could kill a person a night if all of them targeted the same person.DakeDekaane wrote:
Scum can't NK in this game, unless they can increase the HS level of one person multiple times in a single night, and I doubt there's a PR that can kill.
If we go for no-lynch we are relying too much in PRs, which I don't like too much, as it's mere luck that we can get useful interaction/results without risking our identities, this could lead to a massclaim, which I'm still neutral to do.
How is that random lynch thing? I can't see that happening or being suggested.
No lynch is way too risky :c
uhm.. yeah
It means lynching someone with nothing more than just a feeling of him being scum. Policy lynch is lynching someone because he did something that may be scummy or anti-townDakeDekaane wrote:
How is that random lynch thing? I can't see that happening or being suggested.
The game is about that. A regular mafia game is not about PRs only, and you're rejecting the real way of playing it right now. PRs are a nice addition to the game, but they can't be treated as the main factor of winning it for the Town. Scum also has PRs and you don't know what they do (unless you're scum yourself, then you know what they do).
We're already past RVS so none of the lynches today will be random. We will gain information from it, it's better than No Lynch.
We're already past RVS so none of the lynches today will be random. We will gain information from it, it's better than No Lynch.
Don't tempt me to cut your throat with the Occam's Razor, bro.
Welp, it was just a typo in "Occam" (I wrote Ockham, fixed in 30 sec, you read so damn quickly).
Also nice topic avoidance.
btw, Occam's Razor applies to simple and obvious things only, which isn't our case
It is your case, believe me.
i analyzed pros and cons of each of those 3 strategies and expressed my preferences, what's your problem?
Sephibro wrote:
nice edit, i was about to correct that
i've just read edit = modkill so you should rather not do it farto..
Yeah, I know. Sorry for that. Wanted that post to look nice as a single one, didn't think someone would be that quick to read it.
Blue Yoshi's last post was almost one week ago, on page 6, and he was browsing the forum some minutes ago
Also:
unvote, vote: Sakura
Also:
How can you townread someone who didn't talk at all?Sakura wrote:
Town: NoHitter, Blue Yoshi, Irreversible.
unvote, vote: Sakura
town read came from my reaction test.
Topic Starter
Keep in mind that editing posts damages the integrity of the game. Refrain from editing posts even for harmless purposes and even when it won't show up.
This is an official warning. If there is evidence of post editing beyond this point, it will result in a mandatory modkill.
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Prods will be sent momentarily.
Blue Yoshi wrote:
Explain por favor.Sakura wrote:
Vote: Blue Yoshi
Are you even reading the thread?
farto is scum anyway, so the modkill woudln't matter.
i don't think you can handle many games at once, are you sure you posted in the right one?Sakura wrote:
Are you even reading the thread?
if you are, you should learn to read
BY was also included in the reaction test, so this applies to him as well as NH and you, apologies for not specifying.Sakura wrote:
I'm going to comment that my reason for Scum BRBP isn't meta related, but it is true I haven't mentioned it, I probably will do so next week if people still can't tell why or how I came up with those reads.Rantai wrote:
I'm a little concerned at how fast that wagon formed with a lot of meta arguments being thrown around.
And since when is me being in a lot of games a probelm? I can handle my current ammount.
You might want to self vote as that made absolutely no sense.pieguy1372 wrote:
what is this I don't even
circular logic: Sephibro is mafia -> he's trying to set up some anti-town plan -> this -> he's mafia?
after my experience with Sakura I'm sticking to my damn playstyle of going for anyone who contradicts themselves or posts weird logic. for me I can perceive the town intent in his posts so this post seems really weird 0.0
Assuming I'm even reading what you were trying to convey right: I never specifically said he's mafia, just I matched his scumpainting with scumpainting (I very specifically mentioned that intention) to make a point (ie his scumpainting attempts were annoying me so I shall do so back) while trying to make another point that his plan sucked for town.
So about that BRBP wagon (this is mostly for me and visualising my rough thoughts)
fart - Meta and pressuring NH to massclaim (?)
Sakura - mystery tactics no. 201, yet to be revealed. Please look forward to it.
Sephibro - Meta and pressure? Jumped off almost immediately later.
Irre - I don't really understand what he was trying to say in his post, please elaborate? Something about aggression.
DD - I don't think I saw any reason except to increase a wagon? (?) Jumps off the wagon immediately.
You people confuse me, though what conclusions I draw here are mostly retrospective because I missed a large chunk of time. DD's one was the strangest of the 5, I understand a NL is bad but did you even have any reasons to vote him other than "oh he's got a wagon"?
Lynches provides information to town, No Lynch gives advantage to scum even if they can't NK. I wasn't afraid too much on voting BRBP as pieguy brought some points about him. (Even if he based on meta, thing which I don't like, but I'd want to trust him for now).
An FoS by itself tells people that "You're suspicious of X", but not ready to vote for him yet. Many people FoS one person after the vote someone more suspicious, or like me, do it at the start before placing down their votes.pieguy1372 wrote:
I'm townreading BRBP atm. can't wait for your case on him ~
unvote vote: NoHItterwhat does him FoS'ing the same person twice imply?NoHItter wrote:
Was there really a need for you to FoS the same person twice?
If you do FoS someone though and not vote someone, it's as if you're sitting on the fence. If that guy does turn out to be mafia while you didn't vote him, you can simply say that you FoS'd him. Essentially its like committing a vote without actually voting.
The fact that rEdo did this twice seems suspicious, like he wants to emphasize he's suspicious of Sephibro without actually voting him.
If that were true then why was I rereading the thread and looking for questionable things? (remember what I pointed out re: rEdo?) I am scumhunting, just in a different way than my usual "big plans", because I didn't think a "big plan" was viable for this game.pieguy1372 wrote:
it's not a discussion about a method of play. it's a discussion about your intent to find scum. given your previous games, I don't see a similar town intent to find scum in this game. = =NoHItter wrote:
This is starting to be more of a discussion about preferred method of play rather than the game itself...
wait what? so by your own logic, you FoS'ing people before voting can be counted as fencesitting?NoHItter wrote:
If you do FoS someone though and not vote someone, it's as if you're sitting on the fence. If that guy does turn out to be mafia while you didn't vote him, you can simply say that you FoS'd him. Essentially its like committing a vote without actually voting.
you FoS people cause "you're not suspicious enough to make a vote on them just yet". this implies you have an intent to leave yourself the possibility to not vote
by that statement, you're leaving yourself the possibility to fencesit
can we wagon this guy plz
cause scum totally can't do that for towncredNoHItter wrote:
If that were true then why was I rereading the thread and looking for questionable things?
wait, me? watDake wrote:
I wasn't afraid too much on voting BRBP as pieguy brought some points about him. (Even if he based on meta, thing which I don't like, but I'd want to trust him for now)
are you implying this is a bad thing?Rantai wrote:
but did you even have any reasons to vote him other than "oh he's got a wagon"?
no, I'm saying by saying thisRantai wrote:
Assuming I'm even reading what you were trying to convey right: I never specifically said he's mafia, just I matched his scumpainting with scumpainting (I very specifically mentioned that intention) to make a point (ie his scumpainting attempts were annoying me so I shall do so back) while trying to make another point that his plan sucked for town.
Seems you ran out of steam for your half-assed anti-town plan fast and now resorting to baseless accusations.you made an implicit assumption that he's mafia, and then you used this statement to draw the conclusion that he was mafia
can you link where he was scumpainting you plz? mb I just missed it 0.0Rantai wrote:
I never specifically said he's mafia, just I matched his scumpainting with scumpainting (I very specifically mentioned that intention) to make a point (ie his scumpainting attempts were annoying me so I shall do so back) while trying to make another point that his plan sucked for town.
god he did it againfartownik wrote:
Also nice topic avoidance.
not sure if that makes you more or less suspicious, cause you did it after I explicitly said that argument doesn't work 0.0
@Sephibro:
exactly what I wanna say againfartownik wrote:
The game is about that. A regular mafia game is not about PRs only, and you're rejecting the real way of playing it right now. PRs are a nice addition to the game, but they can't be treated as the main factor of winning it for the Town. Scum also has PRs and you don't know what they do (unless you're scum yourself, then you know what they do).
We're already past RVS so none of the lynches today will be random. We will gain information from it, it's better than No Lynch.
And who did I vote after I FoS'd Sephibro again? Please don't twist my words. FoS-ing is fine, but doing it twice to the same person without voting brings into question WHY someone FoS'd in the first place.pieguy1372 wrote:
wait what? so by your own logic, you FoS'ing people before voting can be counted as fencesitting?NoHItter wrote:
If you do FoS someone though and not vote someone, it's as if you're sitting on the fence. If that guy does turn out to be mafia while you didn't vote him, you can simply say that you FoS'd him. Essentially its like committing a vote without actually voting.
you FoS people cause "you're not suspicious enough to make a vote on them just yet". this implies you have an intent to leave yourself the possibility to not vote
by that statement, you're leaving yourself the possibility to fencesit
can we wagon this guy plz
Then please tell me what "town intent to find scum" for you is if rereading the thread and looking for questionable things is not scumhunting at all.pieguy1372 wrote:
cause scum totally can't do that for towncredNoHItter wrote:
If that were true then why was I rereading the thread and looking for questionable things?
yeah you voted him but what if you didn't? then, by your own logic, if he flips scum you can be like "oh hey I knew there was something off about him".NoHItter wrote:
And who did I vote after I FoS'd Sephibro again? Please don't twist my words. FoS-ing is fine, but doing it twice to the same person without voting brings into question WHY someone FoS'd in the first place.
nice misrep, I never said it wasn't scumhuntingNoHItter wrote:
Then please tell me what "town intent to find scum" for you is if rereading the thread and looking for questionable things is not scumhunting at all.
I just said scum can do that and/or make the claim they did that for towncred.
pieguy1372 wrote:
are you implying this is a bad thing? So. A vote with no substantial reason and simply following the wagon is not cause for concern? I sure hope you're not implying the opposite unless you condone what is essentially sheeping.
no, I'm saying by saying thisSeems you ran out of steam for your half-assed anti-town plan fast and now resorting to baseless accusations.you made an implicit assumption that he's mafia, and then you used this statement to draw the conclusion that he was mafia
There is no assumption of him being mafia in there, I was calling him out for 1. His ill thought out plan. 2. His anti-town plan (which it was if executed) 3. He dodged my points and simply said me and sakura for mafia. Actually I never assumed he was mafia at all, ever. I may have implied it through the scumpainting though. The only thing I "assumed" was he didn't think his plan through at all (reiterated below anyway).can you link where he was scumpainting you plz? mb I just missed it 0.0Rantai wrote:
I never specifically said he's mafia, just I matched his scumpainting with scumpainting (I very specifically mentioned that intention) to make a point (ie his scumpainting attempts were annoying me so I shall do so back) while trying to make another point that his plan sucked for town.Sephibro wrote:
It could be as you say...but are you telling this because you actually think it, or because you're afraid of that strategy?Actually my point throughout the entire thing was basically saying "this plan won't actually do anything beneficial for town" - if you notice from my early posts, I was attacked for questioning him, not me attacking him (I retaliated).Rantai wrote:
If you want to try to play the scumpainting game with me...
And bolding fail, whatever.
That's the point. FoS-ing by itself can mean fence sitting yes, but it's not enough to raise suspicion that much. It can truly be a gesture saying, "Hey I think this guy is suspicious." BUT the thing I was pointing out was that rEdo FoS'd Sephibro twice without voting him.pieguy1372 wrote:
yeah you voted him but what if you didn't? then, by your own logic, if he flips scum you can be like "oh hey I knew there was something off about him".NoHItter wrote:
And who did I vote after I FoS'd Sephibro again? Please don't twist my words. FoS-ing is fine, but doing it twice to the same person without voting brings into question WHY someone FoS'd in the first place.
Then please tell me what things you consider to be "town intent to find scum"pieguy1372 wrote:
nice misrep, I never said it wasn't scumhuntingNoHItter wrote:
Then please tell me what "town intent to find scum" for you is if rereading the thread and looking for questionable things is not scumhunting at all.
I just said scum can do that and/or make the claim they did that for towncred.
Rantai, I said something about agressive answer yes. Just the way he acted: 'can you even talk' is just not a really calm manner, don't you think? Also I suppose Sakura caught 2 scum in her reaction test, due to BRBP's reaction, so we should focus on them. (Sephi and BRBP themselves, Sephi and NoHitter, BRBP and NoHitter, or all (if it's possible, afaik we don't know how many scum there is,right?)
But what still bothers me is that farto even said he's scum, so he wants to get voted doesn't he? ><
But what still bothers me is that farto even said he's scum, so he wants to get voted doesn't he? ><
Null tell on this context.Irreversible wrote:
But what still bothers me is that farto even said he's scum, so he wants to get voted doesn't he? ><
whatpieguy1372 wrote:
god he did it againfartownik wrote:
Also nice topic avoidance.
not sure if that makes you more or less suspicious, cause you did it after I explicitly said that argument doesn't work 0.0
I was referring to Sephibro pointing out my post edit instead of commenting on my status on him.
Yet you're reading stuff concerning you.BRBP wrote:
Haven't read previous page yet. Also a prod dodge, won't be around for a day or so.