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Higurashi Mafia - Game Over!

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DakeDekaane
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Sephibro wrote:

Since most of us know the anime characters, we can make pretty accurate setup speculation. Why aren't we doing this already?

Furude Rika
Sonozaki Mion
Sonozaki Shion
Ryuuguu Rena
Hojou Satoko
Maebara Keiichi
^These characters are for sure in the game and they should be all town aligned (6/12)
He thought he could act a bit careless and then claiming to get townread from us, but:

CalignoBot in the Original Announcement wrote:

c. Alignments in this universe's canon will not be relevant in this setup.
c. To be absolutely clear: Any character can be any alignment.
It's still not confirmed that he's town :P
Rantai
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If no, I don't need to say anymore.
Dusting my hands here.

Well Rika would have been town straight up in that world.
Rantai
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Rantai
Oh many ninjas, that was for irre
Sephibro
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Sephibro
DD's getting higher and higher on my scumlist with every post of his

Btw i can tell you that my role's abilities and alignment are the same as anime character's, that's why i supposed it was like this for every character in the game and made those posts
Irreversible
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Irreversible
it's weird that you change your subject so often
Sephibro
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Sephibro
re-read all my posts and you'll see that there's no incoherence in my thoughts
Irreversible
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Irreversible
it's still weird, you put tons of scumpartners, but yeah
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Irreversible wrote:

you put tons of scumpartners
i didn't understand what you mean with this
Irreversible
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Irreversible
ahh i don't either. i go sleep now, it's 5 am here, and i just write some shit. maybe it's the wrong game, i'm sorry LOL
Sakura
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Yeah, his claim doesn't clear him like at all, but I don't think a full claim is necessary unless at L-1 with intent.

As for the results Irre's been waiting for.

Town: NoHitter, Blue Yoshi, Irreversible.

Scum: BRBP, Sephibro.

Yeah I was indeed reaction testing, i'm just gonna out the results for now and see if anyone can tell how I got those results.
pieguyn
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NoHItter wrote:

I think you misread what I wrote. I said that I wouldn't vote someone quickly unless there was sure information. Since it's D1 and we have no sure information, I won't vote quickly.
no, I didn't. :> I wanna know how you intend to find out who the mafia are by playing like this. without voting people to pressure them or get information, it becomes much harder to get "sure" information, at least IMO.

Sephibro wrote:

Sakura + Rantai for scum imo
why Sakura? I'm townreading her atm
DakeDekaane
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quoting NH because lazy

Sephibro wrote:

re-read all my posts and you'll see that there's no incoherence in my thoughts

NoHitter wrote:

Sephibro wrote:

pieguy read this topic but he didn't answer, that's suspect.

Sephibro wrote:

pieguy is the only town leaning read i have for now
k

Don't you mind if you say why I'm in your scumlist?
Why do you have a town-read on pieguy?
NoHitter
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pieguy1372 wrote:

no, I didn't. :> I wanna know how you intend to find out who the mafia are by playing like this. without voting people to pressure them or get information, it becomes much harder to get "sure" information, at least IMO.
Discussion? You don't have to pressure vote people early to get information. I prefer placing my votes after discussion has taken place.

Sephibro wrote:

Actually i wanted to AVOID a massclaim until i thought about that last strategy, but since

CalignoBot wrote:

c. To be absolutely clear: Any character can be any alignment.
knowing this, it is clear that a massclaim would be completely useless
I don't understand this.
You knew that a massclaim was completely useless, but you still wanted to use it as a strategy???
rEdo
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don't wanna defend him or anything, but that could've gone out of curiousity. still, I have no idea what we're going to get even if everybody claims. in this game even Satoko could be scum, just for the shiggles, so setup speculation is pretty much useless at this point of the game.

FoS: Sephibro
gonna hold on with the vote, I wanna read some more from him.
Sephibro
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Sephibro wrote:

Btw i can tell you that my role's abilities and alignment are the same as anime character's, that's why i supposed it was like this for every character in the game and made those posts
with "those posts" i mean to propose the massclaim as a good strategy in the end
Rantai
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rEdo wrote:

don't wanna defend him or anything, but that could've gone out of curiousity. still, I have no idea what we're going to get even if everybody claims. in this game even Satoko could be scum, just for the shiggles, so setup speculation is pretty much useless at this point of the game.
Thinking about it, the best it would do is allow role speculation to occur, which doesn't really help town at all.

@Sakura, those who questioned your votes and those who attacked you for only voting (or a giant coincidence). Still don't quite understand how you came to your conclusions though (is it some sort of meta, this is actually a legit me dumb question), then again I have never quite understood your methods before.
DakeDekaane
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I love how I'm being ignored.
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DakeDekaane wrote:

I love how I'm being ignored.
I'm not ignore you if that makes you feel better.
Irreversible
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Irreversible
Sakura, what about the rest? :s
Sakura
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They are null, but they can wait to be sorted out, unless something that makes me think otherwise happens.
Irreversible
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And are you going to tell the reasons why?
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Irreversible wrote:

And are you going to tell the reasons why?
I've only heard from Rantai so far, what do YOU think?
Irreversible
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I'll re-read it, and post my thoughts
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Okay, I got something i guess:

NoHitter + BlueYoshi town because they ASKED why you've voted them
whereas BRBP was acting quite agressive. About sephibro, probably because he just changes his object quite often?

This might sound stupid now, but may I ask why i have a townread? People tend to trick me with that, so that's what gives be a slight scumread about you. Nevertheless, it's good that you're scumhunting.
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Irreversible wrote:

This might sound stupid now, but may I ask why i have a townread? People tend to trick me with that, so that's what gives be a slight scumread about you. Nevertheless, it's good that you're scumhunting.
I believe Sakura is just making reaction tests. Pressure is put upon you when you are voted and often people say something they shouldn't have to. Anyways, seems like a good investigation. Pretty obvious Sephibro is scum, he just contradicted himself way too many times. And his reasons are just... meh.
Sephibro
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Sephibro
prods pls
fartownik
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Okay, read the past 6 pages.

Unvote

Town: Rantai, Sakura, Irreversible, pieguy
Scum: BRBP, Zexion_Vi, Blue Yoshi

Rest null.

Too many people pressure Sephibro already, too many of easy votes on him. Scum is on his wagon, and I believe he's not one. He makes silly points and proposes bad tactics, but that's just it. He would be more careful as scum. This is not certain, but I hope I'm not wrong here.

I liked how Sakura jumped in with exactly what I was thinking, putting in BRBP as her scumtell. You're only wrong about Sephibro imo.

Rantai is Town for opposing Sephibro's massclaim idea instead of taking advantages of it. I like the fact that he still didn't vote him, definitely a plus.

Irreversible is silly as always, Town.

pieguy made some nice points about NoHitter, also opposed the massclaim from Sephibro, similarily to Rantai not taking advantage of it.

BRBP, Zexion and Yoshi are all shy, I think there's about 90% chance of at least one scum in this group. BRBP's posts match his scum meta, that's why I scumread him + the fact that he pushed NH for not proposing massclaim. It was really... weird, especially after this topic was exhausted by pieguy. Seemed like a filler, or partner pushing.

Zexion is scum-null, pretty much filler posts with a sheep on Sephibro. Second best scum guess from the 'shy' list.

Yoshi is simply inactive, and I like to hit lurkers. Least priority from the list, but still high.

Vote: BRBP

BRBP always waits with his vote until the very end when he's scum. I believe if we gave him more time he'd jump on the Sephibro wagon without hesitation. Thinking off all the probabilities, this one would be the best. Come BRBP, answer me with a post full of hate and pointing out that I was inactive for past time as well.
fartownik
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EBWODP: Forgot to mention. STOP BEING FUCKING SILLY. Flavor doesn't matter ANYHOW while judging the alignment in this game. I'm talking to Sephibro and Irreversible here. I stated that shit right in the beginning, and I thought you understood.

Also Sephibro, claim your role. Claiming character only is pointless (and scummy with what you have done by trying to ensure us certain characters are confirmed Town).
fartownik
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Sephibro y u no posting after browsing, you were so talkative.
Sakura
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He's more interested in pretending to contribute getting people prodded obviously.

BRBP is someone i'd switch my vote to as well, the speed of sephibro's wagon while not alignment indicative is something I don't like.

Hmm...

Actually yeah, let's do this.

Unvote
Vote: BRBP
fartownik
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Sakura was writing up for a little while too. She decided to post only after I did though, with nothing else than a response to me as her first sentence.

Intredasting.
Sephibro
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Sephibro
i just wanted everybody to answer before doing it, but well this game is slow as fuck let's just do it
here are my abilities

Calming Presence: night active - i may visit one person a night, calming them down > target loses 2HS levels
Innocent Demeanor: passive - people who target me lose 1HS level
Zexion
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And here we go again, acussing me of scum because I'm being shy? I'm not posting too much because of my RL lol. I don't know what's "shy" about me. Also I'm not good on scumhunting.

Sephibro's "Calming Precence" may actually be useful to both town and scum lol. There should be a way to increase the mafia HS level too. (some ability maybe...?)
Sakura
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Sephibro wrote:

Calming Presence: night active - i may visit one person a night, calming them down > target loses 2HS levels
Please dont ever target me with this.
Sephibro
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Sakura wrote:

.
Roger

btw BRBP's behaviour is really close to his own in Information Mafia, where he was scum. I agree on pressuring him

unvote, vote BRBP
Rantai
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Outside meta, was there anything else that strikes you as scum from BRBP? (I really don't like basing a vote solely on meta)
VoidnOwO
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:)
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pieguyn
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NoHItter wrote:

Discussion? You don't have to pressure vote people early to get information. I prefer placing my votes after discussion has taken place.
backing your arguments with a vote helps a lot in getting discussion. proving my point :>

fartownik wrote:

EBWODP: Forgot to mention. STOP BEING FUCKING SILLY. Flavor doesn't matter ANYHOW while judging the alignment in this game. I'm talking to Sephibro and Irreversible here. I stated that shit right in the beginning, and I thought you understood.
exactly what I want to say

Sephibro wrote:

pieguy read this topic but he didn't answer, that's suspect.

fartownik wrote:

Sakura was writing up for a little while too. She decided to post only after I did though, with nothing else than a response to me as her first sentence.

Intredasting.
@Sephibro: I'm so busy =A= I don't have the chance to post every time I look at the thread. I like to check back here every so often to keep up even if I don't have the chance to make a post orz
anyway, I don't like these kinds of arguments at all. mostly cause they don't work 0.0 sometimes people just leave the page open and other times they're thinking about what to post, and other times we get a case like what I did. I won't forget I used this argument against RB in Mystery Mafia and he ended up being town.
aside from that your post seems fine for me and your point on Sephibro is pretty much exactly what I want to say.. even if I can't see the logic for a massclaim, I can see town motivation in his posts :?

BRBP wrote:

What is my town meta then?
obv using dayvig on the first day without asking first :P

Irre wrote:

This might sound stupid now, but may I ask why i have a townread? People tend to trick me with that, so that's what gives be a slight scumread about you. Nevertheless, it's good that you're scumhunting.
town
NoHitter
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@farto:
You believe Sephibro's not scum, but you don't think he's town either based on your read list?

Also, rereading the thread made me kind of suspicious about rEdo as well:

rEdo wrote:

Sephibro wrote:

And tbh, i still think NoLynch is a good strategy for d1 in a game like this. Well, unless you want everyone to claim d1
mind to elaborate why do you think this is a good strategy? nevermind, you did that earlier. so what if we don't lynch anyone today? we also won't get to know ANYTHING from it, while the HS levels increase. we won't gain much by massclaiming either.

holy shit I just ended up typing the same stuff as farto did, AGAIN

FACK YOU STOP READING MY MIND WHILE I'M READING THE TOPIC AND RESPONDING TO THEM POSTS RESPECTIVELY IN ORDER

Sephibro wrote:

the nightkill only occours when someone reaches 5 HS, I don't think that someone can reach such a high value on n1 only
the game would we way too slow if scum couldn't add up less than 3 HS points, actually I believe it's more.

FoS: Sephibro

rEdo wrote:

don't wanna defend him or anything, but that could've gone out of curiousity. still, I have no idea what we're going to get even if everybody claims. in this game even Satoko could be scum, just for the shiggles, so setup speculation is pretty much useless at this point of the game.

FoS: Sephibro
gonna hold on with the vote, I wanna read some more from him.
Was there really a need for you to FoS the same person twice?
NoHitter
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EWBOP: Pressed submit by mistake

pieguy1372 wrote:

NoHItter wrote:

Discussion? You don't have to pressure vote people early to get information. I prefer placing my votes after discussion has taken place.
backing your arguments with a vote helps a lot in getting discussion. proving my point :>
This is starting to be more of a discussion about preferred method of play rather than the game itself...
rEdo
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simply forgot that I did that earlier - wanted to edit this out, but it's not allowed :P
fartownik
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NoHitter wrote:

@farto:
You believe Sephibro's not scum, but you don't think he's town either based on your read list?
As I said, it's not certain. I believe he's not scum, but I wouldn't put him on the townread list either since he still might end up being scum. The list consists pretty much safe bets of players being Town, Sephibro is yet to be one.

Also a good observation of rEdo.
Sephibro
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fartownik wrote:

As I said, it's not certain. I believe he's not scum, but I wouldn't put him on the townread list either since he still might end up being scum. The list consists pretty much safe bets of players being Town, Sephibro is yet to be one.
That's legit, i agree that i've been playing quite retarded lately; i had convinced myself that game alignment == anime alignment and blindly focused on that despite warnings.
Hopefully if there's another role that can protect/decrease HS lvl maybe i can survive N1 too, and many things will be clearer on D2
Irreversible
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Unvote

FoS: Sephibro
Vote: BRBP
If that was not agressive, what was it then? Another reason is that you don't give us any hints on other scum, so let's go, you could at least scumhunt but that's onot what you do
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:)
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Rantai
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@mod - votecount if possible please

I'm a little concerned at how fast that wagon formed with a lot of meta arguments being thrown around. I don't have time to do the count myself but I want to see who is on and why.
Sephibro
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in this order, people who voted for BRBP were: fartownik, Sakura, me and Irre
Sakura
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Rantai wrote:

I'm a little concerned at how fast that wagon formed with a lot of meta arguments being thrown around.
I'm going to comment that my reason for Scum BRBP isn't meta related, but it is true I haven't mentioned it, I probably will do so next week if people still can't tell why or how I came up with those reads.
Sephibro
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BRBP wrote:

Sakura wrote:

Vote: Blue Yoshi

Sakura wrote:

Unvote
Vote: NoHitter

Sakura wrote:

Unvote
Vote: Sephibro
This is literally all you've said. Can you even talk?
DakeDekaane
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At this rate, no lynch is going to happen. Nice timing to change the wagon.

Unvote
Vote: BRBP
Amianki
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A person going insane doesn't appreciate injections.

[5] BRBP -- fartownik, Sakura, Sephibro, Irreversible, DakeDekaane (L-2)
[2] Sephibro -- Zexion_Vi, NoHitter
[1] NoHitter -- pieguy1372
[1] pieguy1372 -- Rantai
[1] Sakura -- BlueYoshi
[0] Blue Yoshi --
[0] DakeDekaane --
[0] fartownik --
[0] Irreversible --
[0] Rantai --
[0] rEdo --
[0] Zexion_Vi --

Not Voting -- rEdo, BRBP
Deadline is at 10:30 AM CST (GMT-6) on 10/19.
Sakura
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DakeDekaane wrote:

At this rate, no lynch is going to happen. Nice timing to change the wagon.
Deadline is on the 19th... yeah no.
pieguyn
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policy lynch Sakura
unvote vote: Sakura
Sakura
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You're gonna PL me every game after that aren't you.
pieguyn
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yes ~~ =w=
Sakura
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Well good news, I doubt you'd be using the term policy lynch and specially after that one game ended if you knew beforehand I was town so you just won a super town read.

On other news BRBP is still scum.
pieguyn
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I'm townreading BRBP atm. can't wait for your case on him ~

unvote vote: NoHItter

NoHItter wrote:

Was there really a need for you to FoS the same person twice?
what does him FoS'ing the same person twice imply?

NoHItter wrote:

This is starting to be more of a discussion about preferred method of play rather than the game itself...
it's not a discussion about a method of play. it's a discussion about your intent to find scum. given your previous games, I don't see a similar town intent to find scum in this game. = =

Zexion_Vi wrote:

And here we go again, acussing me of scum because I'm being shy? I'm not posting too much because of my RL lol. I don't know what's "shy" about me. Also I'm not good on scumhunting.
"here we go again" implies they did it before, can you link where they did it before plz? mb I just missed it @_@

Rantai wrote:

I don't see any logical or constructed defense.

Seems you ran out of steam for your half-assed anti-town plan fast and now resorting to baseless accusations.
what is this I don't even
circular logic: Sephibro is mafia -> he's trying to set up some anti-town plan -> this -> he's mafia?
after my experience with Sakura I'm sticking to my damn playstyle of going for anyone who contradicts themselves or posts weird logic. for me I can perceive the town intent in his posts so this post seems really weird 0.0
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DakeDekaane wrote:

At this rate, no lynch is going to happen. Nice timing to change the wagon.

Unvote
Vote: BRBP
o.o has there been 1 before?
DakeDekaane
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Oops, my bad. I'm too used to dd/mm. But omg the 19.

Unvote
Vote: Sephibro

I have a stronger scum read on him and I'm still sticking with it.

inb4 Dake is scum.
DakeDekaane
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And yes Irre, Sephibro's wagon.
Irreversible
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i thought it was the 10th as well but yeah 10.19 wouldn't make much sense..didn't you say dake is scum already somewhere? @.@
Sakura
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How did you even think it was the 10th of the 19th month o.o
Irreversible
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the deadline seems so high in compare to the other games i've played, i thought it's closer, but yeah idk.
Sakura
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Ehhh, if you played on MS you would see higher deadlines. I've even seen 27 day deadlines or stuff like 10 + Living players deadlines.
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Dake is scum
Irreversible
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Irreversible
and you're his partner?
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Yes
Irreversible
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.. -.- stop trolling
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Our options are:
1. No Lynch - pros: since every character has at least one ability, we won't risk to lose any and we would still gather information from Nightkill's flip; if Nightkill does not occour it's all in town's favor, obviously. If we lynch a town and then another town dies N1, it's much worse than losing only one. cons: we have no chance of getting a scum killed D1 (but it's only 1/6, 1/4 or 1/3, depending if scum are 2, 3 or 4 IMO it's not worth)
2. Keep pressuring someone to get other possible information - pros: if we pressure a scum, there'll be a fakeclaim which we will eventually unmask. If we pressure a town, we'll also get useful information. cons: scum will read town's claims too
3. Policy Lynch - pros: we'll get information due to the flip. cons: we have high chance of getting a town lynched

My preference order is 1>2>3
For now it looks like I'm the only one to propose NL, most of you want a policy/random lynch and some want to pressure

Choose wisely
DakeDekaane
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Scum can't NK in this game, unless they can increase the HS level of one person multiple times in a single night, and I doubt there's a PR that can kill.

If we go for no-lynch we are relying too much in PRs, which I don't like too much, as it's mere luck that we can get useful interaction/results without risking our identities, this could lead to a massclaim, which I'm still neutral to do.

How is that random lynch thing? I can't see that happening or being suggested.
Zexion
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DakeDekaane wrote:

Scum can't NK in this game, unless they can increase the HS level of one person multiple times in a single night, and I doubt there's a PR that can kill.

If we go for no-lynch we are relying too much in PRs, which I don't like too much, as it's mere luck that we can get useful interaction/results without risking our identities, this could lead to a massclaim, which I'm still neutral to do.

How is that random lynch thing? I can't see that happening or being suggested.
I don't think so. As it was stated before, the game would be way too slow or too difficult if the scum couldn't increase multiple HS levels in a night. Taking a wild guess here, but its plausible to say they could kill a person a night if all of them targeted the same person.

No lynch is way too risky :c
Irreversible
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uhm.. yeah
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DakeDekaane wrote:

How is that random lynch thing? I can't see that happening or being suggested.
It means lynching someone with nothing more than just a feeling of him being scum. Policy lynch is lynching someone because he did something that may be scummy or anti-town
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The game is about that. A regular mafia game is not about PRs only, and you're rejecting the real way of playing it right now. PRs are a nice addition to the game, but they can't be treated as the main factor of winning it for the Town. Scum also has PRs and you don't know what they do (unless you're scum yourself, then you know what they do).

We're already past RVS so none of the lynches today will be random. We will gain information from it, it's better than No Lynch.
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Don't tempt me to cut your throat with the Occam's Razor, bro.
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nice edit, i was about to correct that
fartownik
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Welp, it was just a typo in "Occam" (I wrote Ockham, fixed in 30 sec, you read so damn quickly).
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fartownik
Also nice topic avoidance.
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btw, Occam's Razor applies to simple and obvious things only, which isn't our case
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It is your case, believe me.
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i analyzed pros and cons of each of those 3 strategies and expressed my preferences, what's your problem?
Irreversible
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Sephibro wrote:

nice edit, i was about to correct that

i've just read edit = modkill so you should rather not do it farto..
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Yeah, I know. Sorry for that. Wanted that post to look nice as a single one, didn't think someone would be that quick to read it.
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that was a harmless edit btw
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Blue Yoshi's last post was almost one week ago, on page 6, and he was browsing the forum some minutes ago

Also:

Sakura wrote:

Town: NoHitter, Blue Yoshi, Irreversible.
How can you townread someone who didn't talk at all?

unvote, vote: Sakura
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town read came from my reaction test.
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Keep in mind that editing posts damages the integrity of the game. Refrain from editing posts even for harmless purposes and even when it won't show up.

This is an official warning. If there is evidence of post editing beyond this point, it will result in a mandatory modkill.

Prods will be sent momentarily.
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Blue Yoshi wrote:

Sakura wrote:

Vote: Blue Yoshi
Explain por favor.
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Are you even reading the thread?
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farto is scum anyway, so the modkill woudln't matter. :P
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Sakura wrote:

Are you even reading the thread?
i don't think you can handle many games at once, are you sure you posted in the right one?
if you are, you should learn to read ;)
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Sakura wrote:

Rantai wrote:

I'm a little concerned at how fast that wagon formed with a lot of meta arguments being thrown around.
I'm going to comment that my reason for Scum BRBP isn't meta related, but it is true I haven't mentioned it, I probably will do so next week if people still can't tell why or how I came up with those reads.
BY was also included in the reaction test, so this applies to him as well as NH and you, apologies for not specifying.

And since when is me being in a lot of games a probelm? I can handle my current ammount.
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pieguy1372 wrote:

what is this I don't even
circular logic: Sephibro is mafia -> he's trying to set up some anti-town plan -> this -> he's mafia?
after my experience with Sakura I'm sticking to my damn playstyle of going for anyone who contradicts themselves or posts weird logic. for me I can perceive the town intent in his posts so this post seems really weird 0.0
You might want to self vote as that made absolutely no sense.

Assuming I'm even reading what you were trying to convey right: I never specifically said he's mafia, just I matched his scumpainting with scumpainting (I very specifically mentioned that intention) to make a point (ie his scumpainting attempts were annoying me so I shall do so back) while trying to make another point that his plan sucked for town.

So about that BRBP wagon (this is mostly for me and visualising my rough thoughts)

fart - Meta and pressuring NH to massclaim (?)
Sakura - mystery tactics no. 201, yet to be revealed. Please look forward to it.
Sephibro - Meta and pressure? Jumped off almost immediately later.
Irre - I don't really understand what he was trying to say in his post, please elaborate? Something about aggression.
DD - I don't think I saw any reason except to increase a wagon? (?) Jumps off the wagon immediately.

You people confuse me, though what conclusions I draw here are mostly retrospective because I missed a large chunk of time. DD's one was the strangest of the 5, I understand a NL is bad but did you even have any reasons to vote him other than "oh he's got a wagon"?
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Lynches provides information to town, No Lynch gives advantage to scum even if they can't NK. I wasn't afraid too much on voting BRBP as pieguy brought some points about him. (Even if he based on meta, thing which I don't like, but I'd want to trust him for now).
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pieguy1372 wrote:

I'm townreading BRBP atm. can't wait for your case on him ~

unvote vote: NoHItter

NoHItter wrote:

Was there really a need for you to FoS the same person twice?
what does him FoS'ing the same person twice imply?
An FoS by itself tells people that "You're suspicious of X", but not ready to vote for him yet. Many people FoS one person after the vote someone more suspicious, or like me, do it at the start before placing down their votes.
If you do FoS someone though and not vote someone, it's as if you're sitting on the fence. If that guy does turn out to be mafia while you didn't vote him, you can simply say that you FoS'd him. Essentially its like committing a vote without actually voting.
The fact that rEdo did this twice seems suspicious, like he wants to emphasize he's suspicious of Sephibro without actually voting him.

pieguy1372 wrote:

NoHItter wrote:

This is starting to be more of a discussion about preferred method of play rather than the game itself...
it's not a discussion about a method of play. it's a discussion about your intent to find scum. given your previous games, I don't see a similar town intent to find scum in this game. = =
If that were true then why was I rereading the thread and looking for questionable things? (remember what I pointed out re: rEdo?) I am scumhunting, just in a different way than my usual "big plans", because I didn't think a "big plan" was viable for this game.
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NoHItter wrote:

If you do FoS someone though and not vote someone, it's as if you're sitting on the fence. If that guy does turn out to be mafia while you didn't vote him, you can simply say that you FoS'd him. Essentially its like committing a vote without actually voting.
wait what? so by your own logic, you FoS'ing people before voting can be counted as fencesitting?

you FoS people cause "you're not suspicious enough to make a vote on them just yet". this implies you have an intent to leave yourself the possibility to not vote

by that statement, you're leaving yourself the possibility to fencesit

can we wagon this guy plz

NoHItter wrote:

If that were true then why was I rereading the thread and looking for questionable things?
cause scum totally can't do that for towncred

Dake wrote:

I wasn't afraid too much on voting BRBP as pieguy brought some points about him. (Even if he based on meta, thing which I don't like, but I'd want to trust him for now)
wait, me? wat

Rantai wrote:

but did you even have any reasons to vote him other than "oh he's got a wagon"?
are you implying this is a bad thing?

Rantai wrote:

Assuming I'm even reading what you were trying to convey right: I never specifically said he's mafia, just I matched his scumpainting with scumpainting (I very specifically mentioned that intention) to make a point (ie his scumpainting attempts were annoying me so I shall do so back) while trying to make another point that his plan sucked for town.
no, I'm saying by saying this
Seems you ran out of steam for your half-assed anti-town plan fast and now resorting to baseless accusations.
you made an implicit assumption that he's mafia, and then you used this statement to draw the conclusion that he was mafia

Rantai wrote:

I never specifically said he's mafia, just I matched his scumpainting with scumpainting (I very specifically mentioned that intention) to make a point (ie his scumpainting attempts were annoying me so I shall do so back) while trying to make another point that his plan sucked for town.
can you link where he was scumpainting you plz? mb I just missed it 0.0

fartownik wrote:

Also nice topic avoidance.
god he did it again
not sure if that makes you more or less suspicious, cause you did it after I explicitly said that argument doesn't work 0.0

@Sephibro:

fartownik wrote:

The game is about that. A regular mafia game is not about PRs only, and you're rejecting the real way of playing it right now. PRs are a nice addition to the game, but they can't be treated as the main factor of winning it for the Town. Scum also has PRs and you don't know what they do (unless you're scum yourself, then you know what they do).

We're already past RVS so none of the lynches today will be random. We will gain information from it, it's better than No Lynch.
exactly what I wanna say again
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pieguy1372 wrote:

NoHItter wrote:

If you do FoS someone though and not vote someone, it's as if you're sitting on the fence. If that guy does turn out to be mafia while you didn't vote him, you can simply say that you FoS'd him. Essentially its like committing a vote without actually voting.
wait what? so by your own logic, you FoS'ing people before voting can be counted as fencesitting?

you FoS people cause "you're not suspicious enough to make a vote on them just yet". this implies you have an intent to leave yourself the possibility to not vote

by that statement, you're leaving yourself the possibility to fencesit

can we wagon this guy plz
And who did I vote after I FoS'd Sephibro again? Please don't twist my words. FoS-ing is fine, but doing it twice to the same person without voting brings into question WHY someone FoS'd in the first place.

pieguy1372 wrote:

NoHItter wrote:

If that were true then why was I rereading the thread and looking for questionable things?
cause scum totally can't do that for towncred
Then please tell me what "town intent to find scum" for you is if rereading the thread and looking for questionable things is not scumhunting at all.
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NoHItter wrote:

And who did I vote after I FoS'd Sephibro again? Please don't twist my words. FoS-ing is fine, but doing it twice to the same person without voting brings into question WHY someone FoS'd in the first place.
yeah you voted him but what if you didn't? then, by your own logic, if he flips scum you can be like "oh hey I knew there was something off about him".

NoHItter wrote:

Then please tell me what "town intent to find scum" for you is if rereading the thread and looking for questionable things is not scumhunting at all.
nice misrep, I never said it wasn't scumhunting

I just said scum can do that and/or make the claim they did that for towncred.
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pieguy1372 wrote:

are you implying this is a bad thing? So. A vote with no substantial reason and simply following the wagon is not cause for concern? I sure hope you're not implying the opposite unless you condone what is essentially sheeping.

no, I'm saying by saying this
Seems you ran out of steam for your half-assed anti-town plan fast and now resorting to baseless accusations.
you made an implicit assumption that he's mafia, and then you used this statement to draw the conclusion that he was mafia

There is no assumption of him being mafia in there, I was calling him out for 1. His ill thought out plan. 2. His anti-town plan (which it was if executed) 3. He dodged my points and simply said me and sakura for mafia. Actually I never assumed he was mafia at all, ever. I may have implied it through the scumpainting though. The only thing I "assumed" was he didn't think his plan through at all (reiterated below anyway).

Rantai wrote:

I never specifically said he's mafia, just I matched his scumpainting with scumpainting (I very specifically mentioned that intention) to make a point (ie his scumpainting attempts were annoying me so I shall do so back) while trying to make another point that his plan sucked for town.
can you link where he was scumpainting you plz? mb I just missed it 0.0

Sephibro wrote:

It could be as you say...but are you telling this because you actually think it, or because you're afraid of that strategy?

Rantai wrote:

If you want to try to play the scumpainting game with me...
Actually my point throughout the entire thing was basically saying "this plan won't actually do anything beneficial for town" - if you notice from my early posts, I was attacked for questioning him, not me attacking him (I retaliated).
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And bolding fail, whatever.
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