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Touhou PyP IV (Game over - Mafia wins :>)

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Lilac
BRBP's want for Tanz to get completely lynched makes him fall under lyncher, scum or SK and is essentially the best scenario lynch either way.

Unless you're telling me otherwise, Jinx? o_o
VoidnOwO
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Lilac
Nah. You have fine English.

So now that your tunnel lynch is dead, BRBP, what now?
Lilac
Unvote. Just on the odd chance that BRBp isn't scum and also I'd love to hear other people's opinions on this just in case scum decide to quick hammer.
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
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Lilac
Did you even evaluate my reasoning...or even Jinx's reason at all?
Kitsunemimi
I am now relatively convinced that Lilac is scum. What Jinxy said sounds about right to me and is fairly believable in my opinion.
This also completely changes my view on BRBP + DD but I still haven't fully figured it out so I don't have any conclusions on them yet.

I'm tired as shit though and I barely had any sleep last night so I'll make a more proper post once I'm actually awake.
Lilac
Wait wait, what...?

Are you kidding...?

Wow... I don't even... Ugh...
Kitsunemimi
It doesn't really help that you claimed (x-shot) nightvig along with your inventor role that you've conveniently messed up to be unconfirmable until now. And you went back against what you said you were going to do last night ._.

I don't really understand/believe the reason that you gave us for not shooting Dake last night. It makes it look like you were trying to avoid something.
Lilac
I was trying to avoid a town death just in case Dake was town.

Tanz essentially confirmed him to be town now since his role showed it and with PGO more than likely to be town.

Don't let Jinx deceive you, the cop claim is just a quick way to get me lynched to win the game cause that's the "easiest" way. What else do you want?
VoidnOwO
:)
Kitsunemimi
Yeah but I don't know why you'd agree with Tanz on shooting Dake in the first place if you considered the possibility of him being town in the first place. Also, we were under the assumption that he's a commuter.

Lilac wrote:

If Dake was mafia and I shot him, scum would mean that they had me as a confirmed townie and that means I would have been confirmed town after shooting another mafia person, so mafia would have to shoot me at the same night to not have a Mimi as PGO and BRBP as Dayvig running around.
This part doesn't really make much sense...
Kitsunemimi
On top of that, if you were so scared to lose another townie, then why did you insist on going for a lynch yesterday? Why did you suddenly hold back on your shot when you were originally planning on lynching, then shooting somebody during the night?
Lilac
I really wish I could have more time to stay up but it's midnight as is now and I really don't blame what choice you make.

If you want to wait for me until I wake up in 7 hours then that would be lovely, otherwise I understand. I've given my reasons through PoE anyway.
Lilac

Kitsunemimi wrote:

Yeah but I don't know why you'd agree with Tanz on shooting Dake in the first place if you considered the possibility of him being town in the first place. Also, we were under the assumption that he's a commuter.

Lilac wrote:

If Dake was mafia and I shot him, scum would mean that they had me as a confirmed townie and that means I would have been confirmed town after shooting another mafia person, so mafia would have to shoot me at the same night to not have a Mimi as PGO and BRBP as Dayvig running around.
This part doesn't really make much sense...
Which part doesn't make sense? I didn't really agree, I even said in one of my post to Jinx to scan Dake "to see if I shoot him". I might look terrible by not holding to that promise but I'm glad I didn't otherwise we would have lost the game.

Kitsunemimi wrote:

On top of that, if you were so scared to lose another townie, then why did you insist on going for a lynch yesterday? Why did you suddenly hold back on your shot when you were originally planning on lynching, then shooting somebody during the night?
Short answer, during that night, it could have ended into two townie deaths if I shot differently and a lynch on that day would have shorten the chances but I still might have been wrong IF I was randomly shooting.

Ugh, the amount of regret giving BRBP BP is too much.
Jinxy
I have no idea what you were trying to say at all here. p/2508052

So, you claim you didn't actually try and shoot Dake because you felt he might be town and didn't want to risk a town death? Dake's a Commuter, he wouldn't have died even if you shot him. More like you couldn't actually shoot him so you made that excuse.

And after reading and rereading the post, you never actually get to the point where you're defending yourself. You conclude that Dake and Mimi are town, and then proceed conclude that I'm scum with BRBP, and you never give any reasons to say why you can't be scum. You don't have a real argument, and you're just trying to bluff through my result.

I'm going to sleep, too. I expect a hammered scum when I wake up tomorrow.
DakeDekaane
Before putting my vote

@BRBP: Did you receive the BP from Lilac?

@Lilac: knowing that I'm a commuter (not a hider), why did you tell you were going to shoot me? Also, if Jinxy uses Voyeur on me, he gets nothing, and yet you said him to do it.
Kitsunemimi
The one thing that irks me the most was the way Lilac interacted with RB. Like, I'm having a lot of difficulty getting that and the idea that Lilac is mafia to work together. It's as if he's super pro-town one day, and then he suddenly gets kinda weird the next day, and now he's become all scummy because of that.

It makes me think of the possibility that Lilac is a Mafia Traitor, and RB wasn't aware of him, and he took advantage of that to give him instant towncred to propel him all the way through to the end of the game. He was in a good position to do it too, with 3 dead (including a 2-shot reviver) by the first day. I'm not fully sure of how traitors work however.

Another possibility would be that he's a survivor, and with the odds beginning to stack against the town, he made the switch to attempt to side with mafia. This one seems to work out pretty well, but then the problem would be that the faction ratio would then be rather messed up.

Lilac wrote:

Kitsunemimi wrote:

On top of that, if you were so scared to lose another townie, then why did you insist on going for a lynch yesterday? Why did you suddenly hold back on your shot when you were originally planning on lynching, then shooting somebody during the night?
Short answer, during that night, it could have ended into two townie deaths if I shot differently and a lynch on that day would have shorten the chances but I still might have been wrong IF I was randomly shooting.
Then you shouldn't have claimed in the first plaaaaace @_@
Like, I literally can't find any reason for you to claim so randomly like that and say you're going to shoot someone but not do it. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding your intentions here, but the only the only thing you've managed to do (at least according to my interpretation) is totally confuse everyone.
Lilac
It was to confirm whether Jinx's role was bogus or not. He stated two actions that were essentially something anyone could claim. Are you telling me you could commute everyday?

And if you had a one-shot cop, why wait until LyLo to use it? Why of all times?!

I'll tell you why I'm not scum. I admit to stuffing up twice. Stuffing up giving Jailkeep to scum and stuffing up giving cop to a dead guy, with the help of farto I got the roleblocker lynched. I admit that I might have given bulletproof to one of the last remaining scum. Most of all, I don't wait until LyLo to reveal all of my role.
Lilac
If Jinx used Voyuer he still would have got an attempt for me to shoot you even if I did.

I might not have shot like I did but Jinx didn't use his voyeur like he said he would either.
Lilac
even if you were commuter and commuted and I actually shot*

I got 'weird' by just complete overconfidence in my role. I mean an Inventor with 1-shot vig? Who wouldn't?
DakeDekaane
So you gave the BP to someone that you don't trust? You could've chosen to not give anything, to avoid more mistakes.
Lilac
It's more like I gave BP to a person, who by PoE next day, was a bad choice.
Lilac
There's one more thing Jinx didn't explain either.

Jinx, tell me. If I was scum, who is the last scum buddy with me? Since it's LyLo tomorrow as well if we hit scum right today, now is the best time to discuss that as well.
Jinxy

Lilac wrote:

And if you had a one-shot cop, why wait until LyLo to use it? Why of all times?!
Because I was waiting till there were less people to use it. I was going to use it prior to MyLo but then N2's double kill happened which instantly propelled the game to MyLo. I've said this thrice now.

Lilac wrote:

I'll tell you why I'm not scum. I admit to stuffing up twice. Stuffing up giving Jailkeep to scum and stuffing up giving cop to a dead guy, with the help of farto I got the roleblocker lynched. I admit that I might have given bulletproof to one of the last remaining scum. Most of all, I don't wait until LyLo to reveal all of my role.
You're not scum because you admit to doing scummy or unconfirmable things? What?
Also, if I had fullclaimed yesterday I would have been killed by you last night

Lilac wrote:

If Jinx used Voyuer he still would have got an attempt for me to shoot you even if I did.

I might not have shot like I did but Jinx didn't use his voyeur like he said he would either.
Actually, now that Dake has said it, no, it wouldn't. You asked me to Voyeur a Commuter, there's no way I would've gotten any result!

Also, I didn't Voyeur because I had a Cop ability which is much more useful. You didn't shoot Dake because of some weird excuse I don't even understand, like you didn't want to risk a town kill when he's already a Commuter and can't be shot.

Lilac wrote:

There's one more thing Jinx didn't explain either.

Jinx, tell me. If I was scum, who is the last scum buddy with me? Since it's LyLo tomorrow as well if we hit scum right today, now is the best time to discuss that as well.
The only remaining person that it could be is BRBP.

Now, before you claim your vote on BRBP earlier on proves you aren't scum, you unvoted before anyone, save BRBP himself, reacted. That looked more like weak distancing to me.
VoidnOwO
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Lilac
I propose this, if you think my scum buddy is BRBP, lynch him first. You have a cop read of scum on me, and I'm not going to die at night since I must have completely lied about my vig and I'm actually scum. You can lynch me tomorrow since I must be alive by then and scum since your cop is irrefutable.

Vote: BRBP. What do you say?
Topic Starter
pieguyn
votecount 4.1

Lilac (1) - Jinxy (L - 2)
BRBP (1) - Lilac (L - 2)

deadline is in 57:31
Lilac
You also agree that BRBP is mafia dayvig, Jinx?
Kitsunemimi

BRBP wrote:

I didn't get a message from mod that you gave me BP
You actually didn't?
Jinxy

Lilac wrote:

I propose this, if you think my scum buddy is BRBP, lynch him first. You have a cop read of scum on me, and I'm not going to die at night since I must have completely lied about my vig and I'm actually scum. You can lynch me tomorrow since I must be alive by then and scum since your cop is irrefutable.

Vote: BRBP. What do you say?
I'd say you're trying to pull something off tonight that will guarantee scum the win, by bussing your partner that has no more abilities left and avoiding your own lynch.

And yeah, he's most likely a mafia dayvig, considering he shot NH D1
Lilac

Jinxy wrote:

Lilac wrote:

I propose this, if you think my scum buddy is BRBP, lynch him first. You have a cop read of scum on me, and I'm not going to die at night since I must have completely lied about my vig and I'm actually scum. You can lynch me tomorrow since I must be alive by then and scum since your cop is irrefutable.

Vote: BRBP. What do you say?
I'd say you're trying to pull something off tonight that will guarantee scum the win, by bussing your partner that has no more abilities left and avoiding your own lynch.

And yeah, he's most likely a mafia dayvig, considering he shot NH D1
What can I do, Jinx? What can I do to win after my scum buddy is dead? Your cop showed I was scum so what can I do as scum to win at night?
Jinxy
Hell if I know, only you know what you plan to do, but I'm not making a deal with obvious scum. The fact that you even suggested this plan means you have an ulterior motive.
Lilac
What is this ulterior motive you speak of? Mafia have only one factional kill.

By PoE you've stated BRBP and I are scum. What role would I have to fulfil this ulterior motive? You've cornered both scum.
Jinxy
Alright, fine.

Vote: BRBP
DakeDekaane
Hi.

Vote: BRBP
Kitsunemimi
Wait what, hold on what the hell.

...................
._.
VoidnOwO
Well played, scum.
Lilac
Scum can't win anyway.

I shoot Jinx, they shoot me, Mimi as PGO leves this game as a tie.
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