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Lilac
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Lilac
What decision could possibly be made? The only thing was your role was revealed. They're still going to have a hard time deciding with a PGO and someone who can give a bulletproof.

Even then they don't have all the information, I haven't said all of my role yet. I have one more thing I can do with my role on top of being Inventor and now scum are going to have to figure out what it is and see whether if their plan during N3 is worth it or not. Whether they have to calculate something new or not.

For now, I'm not pressuring to lynch anyone but I ask this question to everyone. If you wanted to lynch today, who would you lynch? (Apart from bloody BRBP.)
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi
Sorry for not posting for so long ;3;
I don't really know what to say at this stage of the game (it IS my second game of mafia ;_;), and I had a bunch of other things to do on the weekend too.

I still think No Lynch can help us gather information tonight. I feel like there's too much at risk at this point. If we make use of our information roles and get the correct lynch on D4, then we can use player connections/PoE to find out who the last scum is.
It sucks that Jinxy is only left with a Voyeur... I guess we could use it to confirm someone along with Jinxy himself, perhaps Lilac since Jinxy is so suspicious of him x:

As for Tanz, I'm thinking he's most likely going to get killed tonight. However, on the off chance that the mafia targets someone else for whatever reason, he can check BRBP (even though he used his oneshot dayvig, he could still be mafia and therefore still have a gun right?) or whoever else he wants I guess.

Also, if I REALLY HAD to lynch someone, it would probably be Dake, because among all of the players here (myself included), we've had the least information on his role and his claim is incredibly ambiguous.
Plus, so far he's almost completely ignored BRBP whereas he has pretty much given everyone else some sort of attention (scum points for everyone lmao). And his post from earlier today, where he actually puts some of his attention on BRBP, seems somewhat friendly/open to him. On top of this, they're both very focused on Tanz, being the only ones who had their votes on him at the end of the day.
Jinxy
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Jinxy
So you're claiming your role isn't just an Inventor now? How unique, compared to everyone else.

If I really, absolutely had to lynch today, it'd be you obviously. Claiming it's not MyLo without backing it up... well, to be specific, recently backing it up with an extra ability claim, which I don't buy at all. In my eyes, you're scum that's trying to get us to lynch today when it's harder to hit scum.
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi
Actually, now that I look at it, what's this?

DakeDekaane wrote:

If you think RB doesn't want me lynched then vote him, or it's that you don't want him lynched?
(from Dake's first readlist which I had conveniently linked in my previous post, directed at Tanz I believe)

If I remember correctly, nobody said anything about RB protecting Dake...?
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi
Oh my god I love my new avatar so much.

Ne ne Patchy, you didn't kill Satori-neechan right? ouo
Jinxy
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Jinxy
RB's actions were discussed D2 iirc, going to look around there now to see if there's anything new we can interpret from it. Though, I don't really think Dake's scum, since it's highly likely he's a Commuter thanks to Tanz's investigation.

Wiki wrote:

The Commuter is a role that "leaves Town" each Night, thus making them ineligible to be targeted by Night actions. By extension, they cannot use any Night actions they may have.
Assuming pieguy isn't derping around and reinterpreting roles, there's no way Dake can kill as a Commuter.

Also, now that you mentioned it, Dake's character is Patchouli. It seems weird that Patchouli of all people would be scum and killed her friend's sister. Of course, this is all by flavour so relying on it too strongly isn't what I would recommend.
Lilac
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I'm pretty sure that Tanz could easily say he checked Dake and then say nothing happened while investigating him which could confirm his role as a scum pair which is my main point for a Dake and Tanz team. There's still a problem though if Tanz was scum and that is why did he make a roleblocker's existence be known if he was scum?

Anyway, getting up now.
pieguyn
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votecount 3.2

No lynch (1) - Jinxy
Tanzklaue (1) - BRBP

deadline is in 31:04
DakeDekaane
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Now that I think better, Lilac, why didn't you give the Cop to BRBP, as he's the less likely to be targeted by scum as he's likely to be a VT now?

I know that my claim looks too convenient, but also yours Lilac. The only difference is that nobody can confirm your actions, that's why I doubt of you.

And Kitsune, yes, that was directed to Tanz for this: p/2472995/
He voted RB first and then focused on me when RB was in danger line.
Lilac
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Don't trust him enough, I doubt you would either. I still have my doubts that BRBP is town.
Jinxy
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Jinxy
Well, we have less than a day left. Does anyone else want to contribute anything? man so this is what happens when a funnier game starts

From Lilac's question, Dake and Tanz haven't answered on who would they choose to lynch if forced to. Could you guys answer this?

I'm still not agreeing to a lynch today if no obvious scum comes out, by the way.
Tanzklaue
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Jinxy wrote:

Well, we have less than a day left. Does anyone else want to contribute anything? man so this is what happens when a funnier game starts

From Lilac's question, Dake and Tanz haven't answered on who would they choose to lynch if forced to. Could you guys answer this?

I'm still not agreeing to a lynch today if no obvious scum comes out, by the way.
most likely you, but with the situation we have atm, I don't think lynching would be a good idea.
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi
I'm also leaning towards not lynching anyone unless there's a really good plan.

Also, Dake's response doesn't really satisfy me. You just explained the context. The way you said "if you think RB is on my side then vote him, or maybe you're on his side" just looks like you're trying too hard to deny that you two may be associated, and you're switching around the blame. Also, I still think you trust BRBP too much. Also, as for Lilac, it is possible for someone to mostly confirm his actions (we've just had some uhh... bad luck with that so far), however it's somewhat difficult to confirm your role.
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi
...Well in any case I think we should try to think of something.

Jinxy should be capable of confirming himself along with Lilac if they target the same person tonight. It is true that the person targetted may die tonight, but as long as the actions match up with their claims, that'd be enough for me. If Jinxy dies tonight then the targetted person can still confirm if Lilac is town. However if Lilac dies, then maybe we should have Tanz check Jinxy first, so we'd know if he's the one who kills Lilac or not.

We can also neglect Jinxy and have Tanz target BRBP so we have results on everyone in the game.
I dunno. Somebody think of something more guaranteed for me. I'm just a pink marshmallow~
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue

Kitsunemimi wrote:

...Well in any case I think we should try to think of something.

Jinxy should be capable of confirming himself along with Lilac if they target the same person tonight. It is true that the person targetted may die tonight, but as long as the actions match up with their claims, that'd be enough for me. If Jinxy dies tonight then the targetted person can still confirm if Lilac is town. However if Lilac dies, then maybe we should have Tanz check Jinxy first, so we'd know if he's the one who kills Lilac or not.

We can also neglect Jinxy and have Tanz target BRBP so we have results on everyone in the game.
I dunno. Somebody think of something more guaranteed for me. I'm just a pink marshmallow~
me targetting BRBP won't help us as far as I'm concerned.he as a dayvig should still carry guns around, though I can't know for sure ofc.

your method for confirming both liac and jinxy has the same problem that exists with me confirming dake; if they are both scum, then they can just lie. basically nobody can be really confirmed at this point I think.the only confirmations that could happen would be me dying, which would confirm dake if no shenanignans happened.
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi
In my opinion, the likelihood of them both being scum is low, especially after seeing their behaviour with each other here on the third day. There's always a small chance of pretty much any scenario, as you can't 100% confirm anyone to be town, but I'm willing to leave the less likely possibilities to the side because we won't get anywhere if we don't.

Also I thought you said dayvigs don't carry guns. And if he wasn't lying about what he said, he should be VT now.
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi
Why does nobody post here anymore ;___;
Damn you mafia it's all your fault for killing fart ;__;
pieguyn
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deadline is in 14:21
VoidnOwO
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Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue

BRBP wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

me targetting BRBP won't help us as far as I'm concerned.he as a dayvig should still carry guns around, though I can't know for sure ofc.
My daykill was a spell, not a "physical" weapon. Unless you can detect used spells too (wat), it could help if you targeted me.
Except that you're scum and you targeting me kills me
I thought I already established that for reasons mere humans cannot comprehend every role that would normally have a gun flavour still has it.

and as much as I wish I could kill you, I sadly can't. because you get really annoying.

I also consulted the almighty wiki, and yea, lyncher seems like a possibility. lyncher gets commonly paired with a one-shot kill ability. like you conveniently have. but like already established, we don't really have any obvious 100% scum yet, and the deadline is almost reached. I won't be here before the deadline hits, so I will give my vote now.

Vote: No Lynch
Lilac
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Lyncher would have a one-shot lynch ability. At least I did in Video Game mafia.

With 12 hours left I guess I'll claim that I have a night vig and I'll either shoot Dake or Jinx at this point. No objections? Good.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue

Lilac wrote:

Lyncher would have a one-shot lynch ability. At least I did in Video Game mafia.

With 12 hours left I guess I'll claim that I have a night vig and I'll either shoot Dake or Jinx at this point. No objections? Good.
so you are a nightvig?

why do you have 2 PRs? why do you tell us now that you have nightvig, which can be claimed as scum rather easily, since you can back up the kill?

also, we are at mylo, and shooting the wrong person ends in town losing. using the vig ability now is literally the worst thing you could do, if you are town.it's literally the dumbest thing, because it basically nullifies the no lynch, but instead of losing because the entity of town decided to misslynch, it is upon ones hand.

all in all, a weak claim, and if it is a true claim, then it would be really dumb to shoot.
Lilac
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Then you'll know whether I'll shoot the right person or not. It's also why I wanted a lynch on someone as to lessen the chances of hitting the wrong person.

You can deny the claim but it won't matter if you see two dead bodies tomorrow night.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
actually, no.

shoot dake. if I am right, then he shouldn't die. if I am wrong, then he is scum and we don't care.

if he still flips town, gg dake, you messed up.
Lilac
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Are you essentially telling me to waste a vig shot on a guy who has the possibility to hide? Don't get me wrong, I think his role is rubbish but it might be a well-constructed piece of rubbish.

I'm fairly certain if he's a Godfather he'd have some sorta one shot bulletproof thing rendering my shot null too.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
are you essentially telling me that you planned to shoot jinxy either way and just threw dake out there for good measures?

again, a godfather would have given me a result. I got a no result on him. he isn't a godfather.
your shot essentially will be wasted in any case other than hitting scum. if you waste it on the guy who maybe won't fall dead when you look at him funny (and then shoot a gun), you not only confirm the guy for yourself, but also town isn't dead. it's win-win.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
essentially, you sound liek you are afraid of not killing two people tonight. why are you so eager to kill a second person this night? or do you trust yourself that you can block the mafia nightkill?
Lilac
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Well it's mafia's decision who and what is the bigger threat.

It's up the mod what interpretation of what they want to happen for Godfather. Either an innocent or no scan, but I guess pieguy would be avid to the wiki.

Jinx, voyeur Dake and see if I do actually shoot. There'll probably a flavour distinction between mafia and vig kills anyway so.
DakeDekaane
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Vote: Lilac

I don't think BRBP is a Lyncher, nor believe your 1-shot vig, while you claimed Inventor, I don't think pieguy would do weird stuff like this. Lies have no room in town.
Lilac
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Lilac
I don't lie.

Ever.
Lilac
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Lilac
Vote: No Lynch.
pieguyn
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votecount 3.3

No lynch (3) - Jinxy, Tanzklaue, Lilac (L - 1)
Tanzklaue (1) - BRBP
Lilac (1) - DakeDekaane

deadline is in 10:03
Jinxy
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Wait what the fuck a nightvig seriously

Lilac wrote:

Jinx, voyeur Dake and see if I do actually shoot. There'll probably a flavour distinction between mafia and vig kills anyway so.
...Alright, I can do this, and you better do this. If D4 starts tomorrow and town has lost because you decided to be an idiot and shoot me the night before LyLo I will hate a fucking hole through the internet and your monitor and punch you through it I swear
Jinxy
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Actually... wait a moment. What is your flavour for your nightvig? Why does Nitori have a nightvig ability?
Lilac
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Why isn't Yukari scum after stating that Cirno was persuaded by other people that 'good' things would happen?

I thought you were against flavour.
Jinxy
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Jinxy
I am against using only flavour to accuse someone

I am not against using flavour to verify someone's abilities

Tanzklaue wrote:

flavour does hint at the role. up until now, every claim made sense, and the flavour fitted the role.
Nice job skirting around the question, scum
Lilac
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Says the guy who voted for every town so far, not to mention the amount of reluctance to hammer RB was over the roof.

You need to try much differently than that.
Jinxy
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Jinxy
Really? Please show me where that "reluctance" is.

But I digress. I said, stop skirting around the damn question. I am not going to agree with the plan if you can't even answer a simple flavour verification.
Lilac
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Lilac
Nitori Kawashiro.

If you still can't figure it out, I had inventions to give out to the party because I was eager to show them around but now since the incident happened, I figured it would be best to give them out to help others.

The vig shot was something I did not want to give out though and hence I have to use it myself. If I had the choice, I would have given it to someone else to use since the burden of a vig is terrible to me. Are you happy now?

Also, do you really want me to show you the reluctance? I completely can.
Lilac
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Lilac

Jinxy wrote:

As of now, though, I have no reason not to believe them and thus Vote: RB . 1 and a half hours to day's end so I doubt anyone else has anything to say, anyway.
No reason not to believe them? Since when did you listen to anyone else ever? When did you ever vote without like...giving a case? Where the hell did your arrogance go then?

Come on, enlighten me.
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