The first one, I didn't get what you were trying to say at all. You could have just said it straight to the point: "I meant you didn't even give your own interpretation as to why RB could have been scum at all before voting", instead of some crap about not listening which I took word for word from your stupid post. "Magically". And RB voted a claimed Mason; what the hell is there to fucking interpret?

The second one is called sarcasm dear

hey guys quit posting at night plz
(I should probably shut up cause I did the same in Mystery Mafia ._.)

everyone woke up to find another person missing. They ran to Nazrin's room and found a wide assortment of guns scattered all over the place. It seemed, given her specialty was finding things, that that's what she was looking for. unfortunately, it seemed she didn't remember to unload them, so it turned out someone got the better of her and used one of them to shoot her while she was sleeping..

Tanzklaue (Nazrin) - Gunsmith - killed N3

finally someone died? fufufu ~ this is way more interesting than you all not lynching anyone all the time. So hurry up and get to it!

It is D4. With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. Deadline is 8/18 9:00 GMT (71:21 from now)

You know, I'm surprised no one called me out on having only 3 abilities in a 12-man game, but it's for the better, anyway.

My 4th and last ability, which I kept hidden while claiming because I didn't trust Lilac, is that I am a 1-shot cop. It's also why I didn't quite believe he really gave Cop to Royston.

Investigated Lilac last night, and he turned up scum.

Vote: Lilac.

Now, to clarify because I didn't have time to post more yesterday before Night, I used the term "better" sarcastically because as scum, making us lynch on a MyLo day would obviously be better for you.

Yeah, I was hoping I didn't have to claim it on LyLo so I wouldn't have to go through a scum trying to accuse me back, but fart and Royston's deaths due to sibling-hood caught me unaware.


Now, for reasons why Lilac is scum:

Firstly, his actions. His first action was given to scum (RB), his second action was thrown onto Royston who died making it unconfirmable, and I even doubt it's a Cop role in the first place. He then said he'll give BP "randomly" yesterday, so he can easily toss it off onto his scumbuddy. None of these actions are confirmable as town.

He then "guarantees" that D3 was not going to be MyLo, without giving any actual reason then. Further pressing proved that he couldn't "guarantee" it in the first place, and was only a possibility if he shoots scum with a vigshot. He was asking us to lynch someone because there miiight be a possibility that it wasn't MyLo, and from today's results, it certainly would have been game over for us if we had followed his idea.

His last few posts are also very scummy. I ask him how Nitori has a nightvig in terms of flavour, and instead of directly answering me, he goes on a tangent on how I was against flavour and deliberately avoided the question until I pressed further. His excuse was honestly very flaky too. Nitori has a secondary ability of a 1-s vig because she decides not to give it out, despite giving everything else out? From how everyone else so far only has 1 ability, I don't buy his excuse.

Then he scumpaints me with the worst argument I've ever heard. Apparently voting for someone who voted a claimed Mason requires a textwall of explanations, which I didn't provide and thus was "reluctant" to vote for RB. I felt fart was possibly a mason because 1. He protected Royston, and 2. My check on him N1 did not say he had an ability. It's that simple.

Edit: 1 type of ability, like a sibling, reviver, JOAT etc. Lilac claimed Inventor + 1-Shot Vigilante.

You must be desperate. A claim of cop this late to the game when it's mylo now could easily mean that you, as scum, try to claim a cop role, sling off that someone who is actually a townie is 'scum' by your 'cop' claim and then take the easy win.

It would be a good plan except it flaws for two reasons.

1. I didn't mention at all of having a 1-shot vigilante. I merely claimed that I 'have a nightvig' so bringing up the 1-shot part to it is awfully bad.

2. You shot the wrong person last night.

By shooting Tanz, scum has essentially lost this game. Do you know why...?

I'll give you a moment to think about it. I do concede though, what I did was completely regrettable.

Lilac wrote:

You must be desperate. A claim of cop this late to the game when it's mylo now could easily mean that you, as scum, try to claim a cop role, sling off that someone who is actually a townie is 'scum' by your 'cop' claim and then take the easy win.

I already know that you can accuse me of that. I was planning to do it before MyLo/LyLo, but circumstances did not allow me to do it.

Jinxy wrote:

Yeah, I was hoping I didn't have to claim it on LyLo so I wouldn't have to go through a scum trying to accuse me back, but fart and Royston's deaths due to sibling-hood caught me unaware.

Lilac wrote:

1. I didn't mention at all of having a 1-shot vigilante. I merely claimed that I 'have a nightvig' so bringing up the 1-shot part to it is awfully bad.

"Have" implies a 1-shot. "Am" implies a multiple-shot vigilante.
And even so, I don't see how this is even relevant. Hell, it's even more unlikely for an Inventor + Vigilante to exist than an Inventor + 1-shot Vigilante.
Good job digging yourself deeper there.

Lilac wrote:

2. You shot the wrong person last night.

By shooting Tanz, scum has essentially lost this game. Do you know why...?

I'll give you a moment to think about it. I do concede though, what I did was completely regrettable.

I don't know what you're trying to pull here and honestly, I don't care. I have a mafia result on you and that's all that matters to me.

I don't think you thought this through enough.

Tanz died and flipped town. He was a gunsmith so everything he said about what he was doing was not a lie. This brings us back to when he scanned Dake, he turned out to have no result which means Dake was right about his claim on being a hider.

I also had the threat to shoot Dake and I was going to...except if Dake was actually town. So I didn't shoot him, instead I bulletproofed BRBP. However, there would have been no way that scum would have known, they'd just know that I might shoot Dake.

If Dake was mafia and I shot him, scum would mean that they had me as a confirmed townie and that means I would have been confirmed town after shooting another mafia person, so mafia would have to shoot me at the same night to not have a Mimi as PGO and BRBP as Dayvig running around.

If they knew Dake was town, scum could have killed anyone and win, hiders don't hide everyday and back then it was shown that Dake had to hide if the result from Tanz was correct so scum could easily just wait for me to shoot him to win.

So now, we essentially have a confirmed town of Dake and Mimi as hider and PGO, leaving BRBP as mafia dayvig and Jinxy with some unknown mafia role.

Vote: BRBP. Since I bulletproof'd him last night, I can shoot Jinx during the night. Game win.

BRBP's want for Tanz to get completely lynched makes him fall under lyncher, scum or SK and is essentially the best scenario lynch either way.

Unless you're telling me otherwise, Jinx? o_o

Nah. You have fine English.

So now that your tunnel lynch is dead, BRBP, what now?

Unvote. Just on the odd chance that BRBp isn't scum and also I'd love to hear other people's opinions on this just in case scum decide to quick hammer.

Did you even evaluate my reasoning...or even Jinx's reason at all?

I am now relatively convinced that Lilac is scum. What Jinxy said sounds about right to me and is fairly believable in my opinion.
This also completely changes my view on BRBP + DD but I still haven't fully figured it out so I don't have any conclusions on them yet.

I'm tired as shit though and I barely had any sleep last night so I'll make a more proper post once I'm actually awake.

Wait wait, what...?

Are you kidding...?

Wow... I don't even... Ugh...

It doesn't really help that you claimed (x-shot) nightvig along with your inventor role that you've conveniently messed up to be unconfirmable until now. And you went back against what you said you were going to do last night ._.

I don't really understand/believe the reason that you gave us for not shooting Dake last night. It makes it look like you were trying to avoid something.

I was trying to avoid a town death just in case Dake was town.

Tanz essentially confirmed him to be town now since his role showed it and with PGO more than likely to be town.

Don't let Jinx deceive you, the cop claim is just a quick way to get me lynched to win the game cause that's the "easiest" way. What else do you want?

Yeah but I don't know why you'd agree with Tanz on shooting Dake in the first place if you considered the possibility of him being town in the first place. Also, we were under the assumption that he's a commuter.

Lilac wrote:

If Dake was mafia and I shot him, scum would mean that they had me as a confirmed townie and that means I would have been confirmed town after shooting another mafia person, so mafia would have to shoot me at the same night to not have a Mimi as PGO and BRBP as Dayvig running around.

This part doesn't really make much sense...

On top of that, if you were so scared to lose another townie, then why did you insist on going for a lynch yesterday? Why did you suddenly hold back on your shot when you were originally planning on lynching, then shooting somebody during the night?

I really wish I could have more time to stay up but it's midnight as is now and I really don't blame what choice you make.

If you want to wait for me until I wake up in 7 hours then that would be lovely, otherwise I understand. I've given my reasons through PoE anyway.

Kitsunemimi wrote:

Yeah but I don't know why you'd agree with Tanz on shooting Dake in the first place if you considered the possibility of him being town in the first place. Also, we were under the assumption that he's a commuter.

Lilac wrote:

If Dake was mafia and I shot him, scum would mean that they had me as a confirmed townie and that means I would have been confirmed town after shooting another mafia person, so mafia would have to shoot me at the same night to not have a Mimi as PGO and BRBP as Dayvig running around.

This part doesn't really make much sense...

Which part doesn't make sense? I didn't really agree, I even said in one of my post to Jinx to scan Dake "to see if I shoot him". I might look terrible by not holding to that promise but I'm glad I didn't otherwise we would have lost the game.

Kitsunemimi wrote:

On top of that, if you were so scared to lose another townie, then why did you insist on going for a lynch yesterday? Why did you suddenly hold back on your shot when you were originally planning on lynching, then shooting somebody during the night?

Short answer, during that night, it could have ended into two townie deaths if I shot differently and a lynch on that day would have shorten the chances but I still might have been wrong IF I was randomly shooting.

Ugh, the amount of regret giving BRBP BP is too much.

I have no idea what you were trying to say at all here. p/2508052

So, you claim you didn't actually try and shoot Dake because you felt he might be town and didn't want to risk a town death? Dake's a Commuter, he wouldn't have died even if you shot him. More like you couldn't actually shoot him so you made that excuse.

And after reading and rereading the post, you never actually get to the point where you're defending yourself. You conclude that Dake and Mimi are town, and then proceed conclude that I'm scum with BRBP, and you never give any reasons to say why you can't be scum. You don't have a real argument, and you're just trying to bluff through my result.

I'm going to sleep, too. I expect a hammered scum when I wake up tomorrow.

Before putting my vote

@BRBP: Did you receive the BP from Lilac?

@Lilac: knowing that I'm a commuter (not a hider), why did you tell you were going to shoot me? Also, if Jinxy uses Voyeur on me, he gets nothing, and yet you said him to do it.

The one thing that irks me the most was the way Lilac interacted with RB. Like, I'm having a lot of difficulty getting that and the idea that Lilac is mafia to work together. It's as if he's super pro-town one day, and then he suddenly gets kinda weird the next day, and now he's become all scummy because of that.

It makes me think of the possibility that Lilac is a Mafia Traitor, and RB wasn't aware of him, and he took advantage of that to give him instant towncred to propel him all the way through to the end of the game. He was in a good position to do it too, with 3 dead (including a 2-shot reviver) by the first day. I'm not fully sure of how traitors work however.

Another possibility would be that he's a survivor, and with the odds beginning to stack against the town, he made the switch to attempt to side with mafia. This one seems to work out pretty well, but then the problem would be that the faction ratio would then be rather messed up.

Lilac wrote:

Kitsunemimi wrote:

On top of that, if you were so scared to lose another townie, then why did you insist on going for a lynch yesterday? Why did you suddenly hold back on your shot when you were originally planning on lynching, then shooting somebody during the night?

Short answer, during that night, it could have ended into two townie deaths if I shot differently and a lynch on that day would have shorten the chances but I still might have been wrong IF I was randomly shooting.

Then you shouldn't have claimed in the first plaaaaace @_@
Like, I literally can't find any reason for you to claim so randomly like that and say you're going to shoot someone but not do it. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding your intentions here, but the only the only thing you've managed to do (at least according to my interpretation) is totally confuse everyone.

It was to confirm whether Jinx's role was bogus or not. He stated two actions that were essentially something anyone could claim. Are you telling me you could commute everyday?

And if you had a one-shot cop, why wait until LyLo to use it? Why of all times?!

I'll tell you why I'm not scum. I admit to stuffing up twice. Stuffing up giving Jailkeep to scum and stuffing up giving cop to a dead guy, with the help of farto I got the roleblocker lynched. I admit that I might have given bulletproof to one of the last remaining scum. Most of all, I don't wait until LyLo to reveal all of my role.

If Jinx used Voyuer he still would have got an attempt for me to shoot you even if I did.

I might not have shot like I did but Jinx didn't use his voyeur like he said he would either.

even if you were commuter and commuted and I actually shot*

I got 'weird' by just complete overconfidence in my role. I mean an Inventor with 1-shot vig? Who wouldn't?

So you gave the BP to someone that you don't trust? You could've chosen to not give anything, to avoid more mistakes.

It's more like I gave BP to a person, who by PoE next day, was a bad choice.

There's one more thing Jinx didn't explain either.

Jinx, tell me. If I was scum, who is the last scum buddy with me? Since it's LyLo tomorrow as well if we hit scum right today, now is the best time to discuss that as well.

Lilac wrote:

And if you had a one-shot cop, why wait until LyLo to use it? Why of all times?!

Because I was waiting till there were less people to use it. I was going to use it prior to MyLo but then N2's double kill happened which instantly propelled the game to MyLo. I've said this thrice now.

Lilac wrote:

I'll tell you why I'm not scum. I admit to stuffing up twice. Stuffing up giving Jailkeep to scum and stuffing up giving cop to a dead guy, with the help of farto I got the roleblocker lynched. I admit that I might have given bulletproof to one of the last remaining scum. Most of all, I don't wait until LyLo to reveal all of my role.

You're not scum because you admit to doing scummy or unconfirmable things? What?
Also, if I had fullclaimed yesterday I would have been killed by you last night

Lilac wrote:

If Jinx used Voyuer he still would have got an attempt for me to shoot you even if I did.

I might not have shot like I did but Jinx didn't use his voyeur like he said he would either.

Actually, now that Dake has said it, no, it wouldn't. You asked me to Voyeur a Commuter, there's no way I would've gotten any result!

Also, I didn't Voyeur because I had a Cop ability which is much more useful. You didn't shoot Dake because of some weird excuse I don't even understand, like you didn't want to risk a town kill when he's already a Commuter and can't be shot.

Lilac wrote:

There's one more thing Jinx didn't explain either.

Jinx, tell me. If I was scum, who is the last scum buddy with me? Since it's LyLo tomorrow as well if we hit scum right today, now is the best time to discuss that as well.

The only remaining person that it could be is BRBP.

Now, before you claim your vote on BRBP earlier on proves you aren't scum, you unvoted before anyone, save BRBP himself, reacted. That looked more like weak distancing to me.

I propose this, if you think my scum buddy is BRBP, lynch him first. You have a cop read of scum on me, and I'm not going to die at night since I must have completely lied about my vig and I'm actually scum. You can lynch me tomorrow since I must be alive by then and scum since your cop is irrefutable.

Vote: BRBP. What do you say?

votecount 4.1

Lilac (1) - Jinxy (L - 2)
BRBP (1) - Lilac (L - 2)

deadline is in 57:31