BRBP wrote:

What?

It was pieguy's idea, Tanz's post implied he was against it.

pieguy1372 wrote:

I bet RB has a secret role now just cause he asked XD
not sure if a roleclaim would work in this scenario. after thinking about it for a few seconds, I don't think it would hurt us much, although some of the more useful roles are probably the ones with night actions o.o

Tanzklaue wrote:

okay, I am mystery, and I can't wait to blow someones face off :3

Tanzklaue wrote:

I claimed because I'm tired and dumb I thought quara already claimed aswell.

at least I would interpret "fool with nightaction" as that.

Tanzklaue wrote:

in retrospect, I don't really understand why I claimed that fast... I am really dumb

Raging Bull wrote:

Yes I'm secret role. Not like that would give much away, especially since I don't even know if I'm VT or some passive ability.

fartownik wrote:

Massclaim is totally useless in this game, unless you're mafia. It worked in the Stack the Deck because we had some idea of the current roles, but here we have pretty much none. What would massclaim give us? What would be our plan after it? Lynching off the 'VTs' (aka Secret roles) would be invalid here because they might be PRs as well and we don't know what PRs exactly. We know nothing while scum can plan the nightkill more thoroughly.

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Vote: Tanzklaue

The claim looked like a slip. No one said we massclaim and you rushed with it. Gives me bumps you wanted to cause a domino effect, similar to NH's in the Stack the Deck game.

Tanzklaue wrote:

like I said, I thought quara already claimed and I got confused by the explanation he gave.

also, if I wanted to pull off something similiar to what you did, I would've waited longer until a claim of mine would have made it impossible to stop the claim.

la la la I'm PR don't lynch me pl0x la la la

Tanzklaue wrote:

tsukasa, on the other hand, is still fishy. he quoted my doubt about the massclaim and then accused me of slipping, instead of quoting the actual claim. I get a feeling that he wants to carry over the random vote into a fairly quick lynch.

Quaraezha wrote:

As discussed. There are most likely 2 mafia, unless a MYLO with 3.

I'm gonna go ahead and Vote: No Lynch on this one.
With no leads, I'd rather have one town be killed than two in D2.
And I'm interested to see what everyone's abilities are capable of.

Tsukasa wrote:

But I for one don't like the idea of no lynch.
1) Being that mafia can have free kill
2) OMG MASSCLAIM ON D2 MADNESS!!!!!!
3) Scum pool never lessens when we never lynch

Rantai wrote:

Who's predicting PR's? (ie who's saying this guy is this role)

Don't give angry conjecture without trying to make a counter point.

Also explain why it's a waste of time trying to discuss these matters.

Seriously.

Rantai wrote:

Oh yeah Tsukasa for mafia for attempting to suppress discussion.

Yep.

Quaraezha wrote:

I want to assume that everyone has at least one specialty and none of us is a regular townie.
And it would be bad to mislynch someone special.

The're also a possibility of having a fool/jester among the Special Roles too.

BRBP wrote:

Question to you more experienced people: If a roleblocker and a vig target the same guy, don't they both think they're the vig the day after? I'm not sure if either of those roles get a confirmation message from their action (killed X or roleblocked X) like trackers etc do. inb4 one says he's a vig and the other guy counter-claims -> we lynch a townie. Not sure if this makes sense or not ;w;

CalignoBot wrote:

1. It would be bad to mislynch someone special -- He's basically saying that mislynching would be bad, since everyone is special. Saying we shouldn't lynch at all because mislynching would be bad is entirely fallacious and scummy to boot. We can't assume we'll have any way of killing scum without lynching until it's proven otherwise.

2. A special role can be a fool or jester -- This is just scummy noise. He's very clearly all for no lynching and using whatever argument he can in order to get it through. The way he's doing it at this point makes me believe he's scum more than town.

CalignoBot wrote:

The problem with your proposal, pieguy, is this:

We actually get less information if we no lynch -> lynch than if we lynch -> no lynch.

Like I said before, we gain very little information in nearly all cases based on night actions alone, so we will have to rely on scumhunting. Starting a game with this premise in mind with a no lynch makes very little sense.

Tsukasa wrote:

You know...

We'd rather have a super informative mislynch than a no-dice No-lynch

CalignoBot wrote:

That will happen whether we lynch or not. I don't see why no lynching gives us more information from night actions than not.

Tanzklaue wrote:

Qua: Oh god I agree with Caligno

Tsukasa: Oh god Caligno is stupidly bad town

Tsukasa wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

Qua: Oh god I agree with Caligno

Tsukasa: Oh god Caligno is stupidly bad town

>.>

Tanzklaue wrote:

tsukasa: heavily focusing on me out of a random vote, not addressing the right posts even at times, then all of a sudden going full attack mode on rantai, who brought up several good points, just rubs me in all the wrong spots. from your line of argumentation though, you seem to be aligned with caligno. either you are a obv scum or a much worse town than he is.

Tanzklaue wrote:

a much worse town than he is.

Tanzklaue wrote:

than he is.

Tsukasa wrote:

all this grammar stuff aside...

Another thing about it is the slight possibility of a scum PR.

Meaning he could pretty much slide to victory for thinking him a town

Tanzklaue wrote:

on the other hand, a myslynch only gives us the bitter taste of "look what awesomeness we could've had in this night :/".

Tsukasa wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

Yes I'm secret role. Not like that would give much away, especially since I don't even know if I'm VT or some passive ability.

DON'T YOU FOLLOW BRO!!!

pieguy1372 wrote:

can't we just scumhunt on D2 the same way we would D1
I'm not sure exactly what information we'd be losing...

Raging Bull wrote:

I just don't think no lynching is a good idea. Why waste a day where we can have a potential to kill scum? Plus no one mentions if mafia were to shoot paranoid gun owner. People seem to only mention two town deaths. And if there is a vigilante, what if he shoots scum? Maybe I just don't think worst case scenarios like you guys do.

Rantai wrote:

(this isn't just applying to cop roles getting stuff at night etc, it also applies to the fact mafia could be nullified unwittingly, kill themselves etc). So it's more of a potential for more information that a wagon could give and the potential for mafia to suicide/get nullified/something else.

Tsukasa wrote:

Information that are not limited to

1) Scumz on wagon
2) Scum hammer-Town hammer difference
3) Scum-Scum Relationship
4) Town-Scum Relationship
5) Decrease in scumpool
6) The potential of actually lessening mislynch when a wagon is currently active (Meaning It's still not lynched but probably about to, unless some undeniable force acts on it)

Raging Bull wrote:

@mod, is there a third party?

Raging Bull wrote:

I tend to go off OP words ( which probably isn't a good idea) but Q's throwing "what if jester/fool" is just suspicious to me.

CalignoBot wrote:

I'm really not liking all the sheeping of my Quaraezha points, yet no one acting on them. This looks like scum positioning.

CalignoBot wrote:

Oh.

That's alignment-neutral.

CalignoBot wrote:

The claim.

Tanzklaue wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

The claim.

you talked about pinging a secret scumread, and whether pinging means attacking or defending, you mean either fart or tsukasa. I didn't utter any read about anyone else (except you, but why should you scumread yourself?)