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DakeDekaane
EBWOP: either fart/pieguy is scum
Amianki
Sorry, I'm here. I haven't done any fartownik-looking yet.

My best guess right now is a Dake-Jinxy(fartownik)-Tanzklaue(pieguy), listed in most to least likely in my eyes (while everything in parentheses is alternate). Jinxy and DakeDekaane are roughly equal, though.

The one thing that makes D2 VCA hard is the fact that the Dake and Haneii wagons each had either none or just one of the others in the VT pile on them. Another reason is that there's no real way to discern intent from the Haneii wagon, since the only vote that could realistically be used for that was the only one who was confirmed town.

Right now, I'm suspecting one of two things:

1. Scum were pretty safe and decided to let town dictate the shots so they could remain in the background: This indicates at most likely two of Tanzklaue-fartownik-pieguy are scum.

2. DakeDekaane wagon is likely scum; this is what makes me suspect that both of the PRs are scum. Both fartownik and pieguy were voting Dake on D2 when the wagon was at its peak, but pieguy ended up voting Haneii in the end anyway. The vote itself is dead null, but his comment in that same post is giving me really weird vibes.

That's about all I can get from vote patterns.
Amianki
I just realized both of them aren't 100% mutually exclusive. They can technically both be true, although I don't think that's too likely.
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Sakura
Moderator's Notes: I just realized that I forgot to add Ankamius CalignoBot to the ISO archive, will get to that when i get home
fartownik
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Sakura
So I guess tomorrow im prodding everyone that hasn't posted within 24 hours
pieguyn
Hey, if you think Dake is scum why are you suspecting all the people who voted him? AFAIK it was just me and fartownik, and making such a move with all three scum seems kind of ridiculous IMO. Also, I know I'm town, so option 2 is impossible for me. Since no one claimed Tracker, I'm willing to bet fartownik is town too since he's the only one who could get affected by the ninja. I figured there's the chance of a mafia watcher, but not so much now.

That just leaves Caligno, DakeDekaane, Jinxy, and Tanz. With these odds I'd be willing to lynch either Dake or Jinxy at this point if we just end the day now, but ofc it'd be better to avoid that to maybe get more info. Caligno being the 3rd scum also fits with everything that's happened and plus it's my gut feeling.
Amianki

pieguy1372 wrote:

Hey, if you think Dake is scum why are you suspecting all the people who voted him? AFAIK it was just me and fartownik, and making such a move with all three scum seems kind of ridiculous IMO.
Bussing a scumbuddy when you're feeling safe about your chances despite their death is a valid maneuver that I can definitely see as a possibility here.

That said, I'm not even going to worry about it until we absolutely have to make a decision as to whether fartownik is scum or not (D4).

Saying Watcher is town because he's the only one that can be affected by the ninja is a bit... weak. It stops being relevant if the Ninja doesn't exist. Even if it does, then there's no guarantee whatsoever that it would have an effect on the game since the role decision was random.
pieguyn
as for the Watcher, as NoHItter said, Occham's Razor always works in these kinds of games, for me anyway. XD
The thing with that was from mafia perspective there's only 2 mafias, so if he does get lynched that's a bad situation since they don't know who the traitor is. If they did recruit the traitor, then I don't think they'd have 2 people vote him just like that, since that would seem really unnatural..
Amianki
Hnh, I need to rethink my reads again.

Reading through the D3 posts several times is making me more and more confused every time I do it. I probably need sleep to get them to settle.
Rantai
Oh god such fail. I was going under the assumption that there was 3 scum and a traitor this whole time.

*facepalm*
Tanzklaue

Rantai wrote:

Oh god such fail. I was going under the assumption that there was 3 scum and a traitor this whole time.

*facepalm*
erm...

you know... we would've been dead this day if this was the case? xD

ok, rthe problem is: we have 4 townies and 3 scum left. at this point, scum does much better to stop activity (which is one of the many reasons for declining activity), so yea.

I am highly suspicious of fart and decently suspicious of pieguy, though pieguy is a lot less likely to be scum than fart. for today, jinxy seems to be the most reasonable lynch. in the night rantai should be protected, and farto should do whatever he deems right. scum doesn't have thatz many options to shoot profitable anymore. basically, I think if pieguy protects rantai and isn't scum, he is the most likely to die next night, followed by the strongest townread (me) and the strongest towncontributor (caligno).

if I think more about it, I think I am the last safe shoot besides rantai for them without messing up their wifom? do i see this right? lesser players mustn't be a disadvantage, as scum played this game basically on the back of wifom. but now there is almost no candidate for wifom left. if we just had one confirmed townie more... this would be so much easier. anyway, I think we should lynch jinxy tonight. if pieguy protects rantai, then farto should probably watch pieguy or me, because I think the NK will hit one of us two.
Tanzklaue
oh my god the grammar in my post gives me cancer.

if you need a clearer version, then don't be afraid to ask. I just shouldn't write anything unless I'm awake for at least 2 hours ._.
Rantai
Jinxy, question;

Who do you think the 3 scum are?
Rantai
And yeah that was a huge and terrible misconception on my part.

Oops?
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Sakura
Vote Count 3.03

(L-2) Jinxy (2) - Rantai, DakeDekaane
DakeDekaane (1) - Jinxy

Not Voting (4) - Tanzklaue, fartownik, CalignoBot, pieguy1372

With 7 Alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Please let me know if you see any mistakes

Jinxy has been prodded
Jinxy
DD, fart, Tanz or Caligno

Both tanz and caligno looked pretty town to me so I don't really think it's that easy that all the scum are the other VTs, so I think fart may be scum.

That's really all I have for now, exams are in full swing but maybe I'll get to read and post more on the weekends since next week's subjects are all ok for me.

Except social studies but I give none of the fucks for that
fartownik
I just love how you guys keep saying 'fart may be scum' but end up giving no real arguments for your suspicion.

I don't really have anything to add, I will just vote because it seems like nothing productive is being done anymore.

Vote: JInxy
pieguyn
since there was no ninja hammer I'm just going to assume JInxy is mafia

if not, since there was no ninja hammer, both mafia would already be voting JInxy -> Dake and fartownik are both mafia. Dake could be, but as I said before think fartownik is.

inb4 mafia mason
DakeDekaane
I'm only wandering why you guys suspect Jinxy, but don't vote him yet, do you have any better lynch, or what makes you unsure of?

Do you have anything else to add, like actions for N3, which I doubt that would happen. I'm really sure of my suspects, but I can't vote any other that isn't Jinxy, as it's the safest lynch atm.
Amianki
Vote DakeDekaane
Rantai
Unvote
Rantai
Not quite ready for a hammer just yet. That and DD screams mafia on a megaphone right now.
fartownik
What was that, Dake? Why you wanna end the day asap so badly?
Tanzklaue
hm, that we still have no ninjalynch speaks heavily for traitor in the round and/or probably both jinxy and DD scumaligned.

or DD made a big mistake, and jinxy, caligno and unknown person y are scum.
DakeDekaane
Nice, one try to make people discuss and get voted instead. Some of you agreed with me in D2 and now not, why the flip flop? Hi Jinxy, hi Caligno, hi fart.

I just want you to think about our PRs actions, how to find the liar, or the most convenient claims as both matched in a convenient way and looks like all this was useless.
Rantai
Eh after a bit more thinking you're about as scummy as each other.

And in the end the town was so badly crippled at the start, anyone could be anything (there's nothing that proves someone is definitely town/scum).

Vote: Jinxy
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Sakura
Vote Count 3.04

(L-1) Jinxy (3) - DakeDekaane, fartownik, Rantai
DakeDekaane (2) - Jinxy, CalignoBot

Not Voting (2) - Tanzklaue, pieguy1372

With 7 Alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Please let me know if you see any mistakes
Amianki
What's deadline?
Tanzklaue

CalignoBot wrote:

What's deadline?
1 day 9 hours 8 minutes from now on.
pieguyn
I'd vote JInxy but no point in ending day early..
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Sakura

CalignoBot wrote:

What's deadline?
On the first link post you can click on the date and it will take you to a countdown site, same for the first post of D3
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Sakura
Moderator's Notes: 23 hours until deadline. If votes continue as is, you are lynching Jinxy
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Sakura
Sorry about the delay
As you gather around Jinxy, people start throwing accusations, "It must be DakeDekaane" said one person "No i'm fairly sure it was Jinxy" while you guys bicker about whether it was Dake or Jinxy, Rantai sneaks from behind and strangles Jinxy with a rope "There! done" he said"

Final Vote Count Day 3

Jinxy (3) - DakeDekaane, fartownik, Rantai
DakeDekaane (2) - Jinxy, CalignoBot

Not Voting (2) - Tanzklaue, pieguy1372

Jinxy Mafia Traitor has been lynched Day 3

It is now Night 3, deadline for all actions is July 15th 14:18 GMT-5
Jinxy
Traitor Role 0/10 would not trait again

Go scum k
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Sakura
As you wake up, you find a message written in blood in one the walls "This is in return for strangling one of our own", with a big black bag at the foot of the wall, you open the bag and find the corpse of CalignoBot, with a bullet hole right through the forehead

CalignoBot Vanilla Townie has been shot N3

Vote Count 4.0

Not Voting (5) - Tanzklaue, pieguy1372, fartownik, Rantai, DakeDekaane

With 5 Alive it takes 3 to lynch.

It is now Day 4, which will last until July 21st 13:21 GMT-5
Once again due to work, i rather end it a bit early, my apologies.

Rule Changes:

During LyLo when there's a tie in the votes, the person who reached the tying ammount of votes first will be lynched.
No Lynch votes are banned during LyLo (they wont count)
Tanzklaue
so at least one of the PRs is scum.

so farto should be scum right?
Tanzklaue
Vote: Fartownik
Amianki
ow
Rantai
So Tanz for scum.

What a plot twist.
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