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Stacking the Deck - (Game Over - Town Win)

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pieguyn
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pieguyn
Hey, if you think Dake is scum why are you suspecting all the people who voted him? AFAIK it was just me and fartownik, and making such a move with all three scum seems kind of ridiculous IMO. Also, I know I'm town, so option 2 is impossible for me. Since no one claimed Tracker, I'm willing to bet fartownik is town too since he's the only one who could get affected by the ninja. I figured there's the chance of a mafia watcher, but not so much now.

That just leaves Caligno, DakeDekaane, Jinxy, and Tanz. With these odds I'd be willing to lynch either Dake or Jinxy at this point if we just end the day now, but ofc it'd be better to avoid that to maybe get more info. Caligno being the 3rd scum also fits with everything that's happened and plus it's my gut feeling.
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Amianki

pieguy1372 wrote:

Hey, if you think Dake is scum why are you suspecting all the people who voted him? AFAIK it was just me and fartownik, and making such a move with all three scum seems kind of ridiculous IMO.
Bussing a scumbuddy when you're feeling safe about your chances despite their death is a valid maneuver that I can definitely see as a possibility here.

That said, I'm not even going to worry about it until we absolutely have to make a decision as to whether fartownik is scum or not (D4).

Saying Watcher is town because he's the only one that can be affected by the ninja is a bit... weak. It stops being relevant if the Ninja doesn't exist. Even if it does, then there's no guarantee whatsoever that it would have an effect on the game since the role decision was random.
pieguyn
2,020 posts
Joined May 2009
pieguyn
as for the Watcher, as NoHItter said, Occham's Razor always works in these kinds of games, for me anyway. XD
The thing with that was from mafia perspective there's only 2 mafias, so if he does get lynched that's a bad situation since they don't know who the traitor is. If they did recruit the traitor, then I don't think they'd have 2 people vote him just like that, since that would seem really unnatural..
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Amianki
Hnh, I need to rethink my reads again.

Reading through the D3 posts several times is making me more and more confused every time I do it. I probably need sleep to get them to settle.
Rantai
1,000 posts
Joined July 2010
Rantai
Oh god such fail. I was going under the assumption that there was 3 scum and a traitor this whole time.

*facepalm*
Tanzklaue
1,151 posts
Joined December 2010
Tanzklaue

Rantai wrote:

Oh god such fail. I was going under the assumption that there was 3 scum and a traitor this whole time.

*facepalm*
erm...

you know... we would've been dead this day if this was the case? xD

ok, rthe problem is: we have 4 townies and 3 scum left. at this point, scum does much better to stop activity (which is one of the many reasons for declining activity), so yea.

I am highly suspicious of fart and decently suspicious of pieguy, though pieguy is a lot less likely to be scum than fart. for today, jinxy seems to be the most reasonable lynch. in the night rantai should be protected, and farto should do whatever he deems right. scum doesn't have thatz many options to shoot profitable anymore. basically, I think if pieguy protects rantai and isn't scum, he is the most likely to die next night, followed by the strongest townread (me) and the strongest towncontributor (caligno).

if I think more about it, I think I am the last safe shoot besides rantai for them without messing up their wifom? do i see this right? lesser players mustn't be a disadvantage, as scum played this game basically on the back of wifom. but now there is almost no candidate for wifom left. if we just had one confirmed townie more... this would be so much easier. anyway, I think we should lynch jinxy tonight. if pieguy protects rantai, then farto should probably watch pieguy or me, because I think the NK will hit one of us two.
Tanzklaue
1,151 posts
Joined December 2010
Tanzklaue
oh my god the grammar in my post gives me cancer.

if you need a clearer version, then don't be afraid to ask. I just shouldn't write anything unless I'm awake for at least 2 hours ._.
Rantai
1,000 posts
Joined July 2010
Rantai
Jinxy, question;

Who do you think the 3 scum are?
Rantai
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Joined July 2010
Rantai
And yeah that was a huge and terrible misconception on my part.

Oops?
Sakura
osu! Alumni
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Joined March 2010
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 3.03

(L-2) Jinxy (2) - Rantai, DakeDekaane
DakeDekaane (1) - Jinxy

Not Voting (4) - Tanzklaue, fartownik, CalignoBot, pieguy1372

With 7 Alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Please let me know if you see any mistakes

Jinxy has been prodded
Jinxy
2,777 posts
Joined February 2009
Jinxy
DD, fart, Tanz or Caligno

Both tanz and caligno looked pretty town to me so I don't really think it's that easy that all the scum are the other VTs, so I think fart may be scum.

That's really all I have for now, exams are in full swing but maybe I'll get to read and post more on the weekends since next week's subjects are all ok for me.

Except social studies but I give none of the fucks for that
fartownik
2,189 posts
Joined December 2008
fartownik
I just love how you guys keep saying 'fart may be scum' but end up giving no real arguments for your suspicion.

I don't really have anything to add, I will just vote because it seems like nothing productive is being done anymore.

Vote: JInxy
pieguyn
2,020 posts
Joined May 2009
pieguyn
since there was no ninja hammer I'm just going to assume JInxy is mafia

if not, since there was no ninja hammer, both mafia would already be voting JInxy -> Dake and fartownik are both mafia. Dake could be, but as I said before think fartownik is.

inb4 mafia mason
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
I'm only wandering why you guys suspect Jinxy, but don't vote him yet, do you have any better lynch, or what makes you unsure of?

Do you have anything else to add, like actions for N3, which I doubt that would happen. I'm really sure of my suspects, but I can't vote any other that isn't Jinxy, as it's the safest lynch atm.
Amianki
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Joined January 2011
Amianki
Vote DakeDekaane
Rantai
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Joined July 2010
Rantai
Unvote
Rantai
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Joined July 2010
Rantai
Not quite ready for a hammer just yet. That and DD screams mafia on a megaphone right now.
fartownik
2,189 posts
Joined December 2008
fartownik
What was that, Dake? Why you wanna end the day asap so badly?
Tanzklaue
1,151 posts
Joined December 2010
Tanzklaue
hm, that we still have no ninjalynch speaks heavily for traitor in the round and/or probably both jinxy and DD scumaligned.

or DD made a big mistake, and jinxy, caligno and unknown person y are scum.
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
Nice, one try to make people discuss and get voted instead. Some of you agreed with me in D2 and now not, why the flip flop? Hi Jinxy, hi Caligno, hi fart.

I just want you to think about our PRs actions, how to find the liar, or the most convenient claims as both matched in a convenient way and looks like all this was useless.
Rantai
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Joined July 2010
Rantai
Eh after a bit more thinking you're about as scummy as each other.

And in the end the town was so badly crippled at the start, anyone could be anything (there's nothing that proves someone is definitely town/scum).

Vote: Jinxy
Sakura
osu! Alumni
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Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 3.04

(L-1) Jinxy (3) - DakeDekaane, fartownik, Rantai
DakeDekaane (2) - Jinxy, CalignoBot

Not Voting (2) - Tanzklaue, pieguy1372

With 7 Alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Please let me know if you see any mistakes
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Amianki
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Joined January 2011
Amianki
What's deadline?
Tanzklaue
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Joined December 2010
Tanzklaue

CalignoBot wrote:

What's deadline?
1 day 9 hours 8 minutes from now on.
pieguyn
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Joined May 2009
pieguyn
I'd vote JInxy but no point in ending day early..
Sakura
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Sakura

CalignoBot wrote:

What's deadline?
On the first link post you can click on the date and it will take you to a countdown site, same for the first post of D3
Sakura
osu! Alumni
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Joined March 2010
Topic Starter
Sakura
Moderator's Notes: 23 hours until deadline. If votes continue as is, you are lynching Jinxy
Sakura
osu! Alumni
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Topic Starter
Sakura
Sorry about the delay
As you gather around Jinxy, people start throwing accusations, "It must be DakeDekaane" said one person "No i'm fairly sure it was Jinxy" while you guys bicker about whether it was Dake or Jinxy, Rantai sneaks from behind and strangles Jinxy with a rope "There! done" he said"

Final Vote Count Day 3

Jinxy (3) - DakeDekaane, fartownik, Rantai
DakeDekaane (2) - Jinxy, CalignoBot

Not Voting (2) - Tanzklaue, pieguy1372

Jinxy Mafia Traitor has been lynched Day 3

It is now Night 3, deadline for all actions is July 15th 14:18 GMT-5
Jinxy
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Jinxy
Traitor Role 0/10 would not trait again

Go scum k
Sakura
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Sakura
As you wake up, you find a message written in blood in one the walls "This is in return for strangling one of our own", with a big black bag at the foot of the wall, you open the bag and find the corpse of CalignoBot, with a bullet hole right through the forehead

CalignoBot Vanilla Townie has been shot N3

Vote Count 4.0

Not Voting (5) - Tanzklaue, pieguy1372, fartownik, Rantai, DakeDekaane

With 5 Alive it takes 3 to lynch.

It is now Day 4, which will last until July 21st 13:21 GMT-5
Once again due to work, i rather end it a bit early, my apologies.

Rule Changes:

During LyLo when there's a tie in the votes, the person who reached the tying ammount of votes first will be lynched.
No Lynch votes are banned during LyLo (they wont count)
Tanzklaue
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Joined December 2010
Tanzklaue
so at least one of the PRs is scum.

so farto should be scum right?
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
Vote: Fartownik
Amianki
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Joined January 2011
Amianki
ow
Rantai
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Joined July 2010
Rantai
So Tanz for scum.

What a plot twist.
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
Why would Tanz be scum? This only confirms that there's at least 1 scum in the PR, and most likely both as I don't consider Tanz as scum, unless he had played pretty well until now, tho a quick vote doesn't say anything.
Rantai
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Joined July 2010
Rantai
What exactly did I miss this time that confirms a PR as scum?
pieguyn
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Joined May 2009
pieguyn
...well if we assume no PR is scum, the only ones left are DakeDekaane and Tanz. From Tanz's perspective, everything else is impossible.
I wouldn't even be surprised if Tanz and fartownik were working together this whole time, and Tanz is voting fartownik to confuse all of us. Anything seems to be possible here. :?
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
There's scum in PR, that's a fact. If not, how the hell we had 4 PR? It means there would be at least 1 scum PR (scum could have enabled daychat, Jinxy flipped as Traitor means he wasn't recruited, otherwise he'd flipped Goon, so they could have picked another PR for them). That scum PR would be Tanz, but I really doubt that atm.

Tanz, it'd be nice if you elaborate.
pieguyn
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Joined May 2009
pieguyn
If anything I'm surprised I didn't die. I assumed mafia would kill me because I'm confirmed... mafia could be WIFOM'ing a fartownik + me combo, which makes me lean towards Dake and Tanz, but as I just said it's WIFOM so it could still be fartownik.

Dake: since when was Tanz PR? we just had BRBP, me, fartownik, and RB and that's it. if mafia chose PR + daychat, something like that could give us 4 PRs.
Tanzklaue
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Joined December 2010
Tanzklaue

pieguy1372 wrote:

Dake: since when was Tanz PR? we just had BRBP, me, fartownik, and RB and that's it. if mafia chose PR + daychat, something like that could give us 4 PRs.
he means I could be a mafia PR.



so, I'll explain myself:

I am a vanilla townie. that means I'm no scum. rantai can't be scum. that leaves dake, fart and pieguy as possible scum. fart MUST be scum, there is no other way around it. for dake and pieguy... I honestly can't say who is the second scum, as both of them have pretty heavy evidence against them. dake didn't get voted out by mafia in day 3, but now he supports my point heavily, which would make sense if he was a vanilla townie, since he should be at the same stage as I am. could be a bussing try though
pieguy on the other hand played overall more town, but: the fact that he isn't dead is really wonky if you get what I mean. I think for scum it would've been smarter to finally get rid of the jailkeeper so they can kill rantai. but they didn't. neither did they try to shoot rantai, though, which can either mean that they knew that rantai will be protected (or just guessed that pieguy won't protect any other person) or that they want to keep the illusion alive that pieguy is town.

the question is: do you think that I, if I am scum, play this extraordinarily well, nobody suspects me to be even slightly scum, just to make a really dumb mistake in the most critical moment, or do you think that fart is scum, who the whole game through did not much to actually help town (kay me neither), claimed watcher pretty conveniently and made in consequence pretty convenient claims? please consider that I would've wanted scum to pick daychat if I was scum so I can bugger them with all sorts of questions about how to play (ergo: I wouldn't have made a mistake that big).
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