DakeDekaane wrote:

And it'd be pretty stupid for scum voting each other in LyLo.

How so? Distance voting is always popular.

pieguy1372 wrote:

now I wonder about Caligno. someone made a point D1 of how Irre was acting even more ridiculous than in previous games, and currently it seems to me like Caligno is hesitating way too much. and it seems he's kind of misleading a bit, not only with Haneii, but I got confused just reading some of his huge posts.

This situation is a lot different than Day 2. There's an inherent risk of scum piling on in a lynch for an instant win, so I want to make sure that we come to a clear consensus before making any possibly game-ending decisions.

Please let me know if you see any mistakes

Rantai wrote:

Also considering that everyone except Tanz has posted and no ninja hammer has occurred I'm going to say it's a fairly safe bet (I am going to say Tanz stands more town than scum, but that isn't much to go by unfortunately).

I was asleep, sorry.

the situation is pretty dire. we again have the situation of our PRs having convenient claims, thus completly useless for us. we had the chance to confirm pieguy, and he should've known that jailkeeping RB is the only sound thing to do.

then we have the problem of scum shooting RB. overall, the chance of mafia targetting him and not getting watched or blocked was 25%. add to that the unlikeliness of pieguy not jking RB, and I think we can see that this turn of events, the worst possible case for town, was really unlikely. without saying much more, I'm highely suspicious.

then caligno. yes he could be scum in disguise. but I don't think that he is. why? I think it's safe to assume that he is the best player in this round. I don't think that he would act the way he did if he was scum. he seems to be taken aback that his assumptions turned out wrong. I don't think any experienced player would make himself this vulnerable.

then we have jinxy and DD. I think that if jinxy was town, he would be dead by now and we would've lost. because ninja hammer. DD on the other hand didn't get ninja hammered. this shows even more that jinxy should be the scum, as mafia doesn't have the 3 votes they need to ninja lynch him. of course there is also the case of crossvoting, if both of them are scum. in which case the question arises: who is the third scum? fart or caligno?

I am highly suspicious of fart and pieguy at this point, and jinxy seems to be scum aswell. I don't think caligno is scum, and DD is at least a little bit less likely to be scum than jinxy is.

Bear in mind quantity =/= quality.

In some cases it will be an analysis that takes everything into account (that's good), sometimes a fluff post (ie thread summary with a little bit of insight here and there) or simply a distraction post made to look town but has absolutely nothing in it/has misleading information.

I haven't quite made my mind up about Caligno just yet but it's very naive to believe he is town simply because he "was taken aback" (especially if the player is experienced). You should also note there have been many instances where the largest contributor was actually scum.

it's just as naive to assume that I am town for my nooby behaviour, or that fart and pieguy are town for their PR claims. at this point, all of this is likely.


I also overlooked something. there is one other possibility for jinxy (or DD) not being lynched yet: scum didn't recruit the traitor and doesn't want to risk lynching him. this is also a possibility to consider, I think.

The only reason I think you're town is because of your unprovoked opposition to NH's plan.

Same basis as Haneii (lo and behold, she was town). If the traitor is here then we've already lost; all 3 scum roleclaim and the traitor collaborates.

As for fart and pieguy - I am contemplating the other scenario that they are both scum but as it stands I'm simply more wary of Caligno because of the massive Haneii swing.

pieguy is not scum as I confirmed him, there's no way he's scum unless I am one and I know I am Town so it's impossible. Right now the only possibility is that all the 3 scum hide in the unconfirmed Townies and we should be digging in there. 4 unconfirmed ones give us a 75% chance of lynching scum today, let's just try to minimalize the risk of mislynching and we should be good tommorrow. As I said before, Tanz would be the safest end so we should go with either JInxy/Dake/Caligno. I'm fine with lynching any of this 3.

Just posting that it's very unlilkely that all three scum are in the non-PR, it's a very perfect scenario for town, this night we've seen that scum likes risky situations, so why shouldn't they be disguised as PR?

I'm keeping my vote on Jinxy, unless you guys want to push any of our "PRs", but I doubt any of you want so, neither me atm as I'm not sure if one of them or both are scum.

DakeDekaane wrote:

Just posting that it's very unlilkely that all three scum are in the non-PR, it's a very perfect scenario for town, this night we've seen that scum likes risky situations, so why shouldn't they be disguised as PR?

I'm keeping my vote on Jinxy, unless you guys want to push any of our "PRs", but I doubt any of you want so, neither me atm as I'm not sure if one of them or both are scum.

What do you mean by 'very perfect' scenario? It's the only possible scenario (in my view), and I find it pretty much plausible. You saying this only gives me a tick that you protect your scumbuddy that hides in the non-PRs.

So uh.

No one else has anything to say?

I'm pretty sure Jinxy is scum. Caligno may be scum, Tanz looks town, and I'm town, then either fart/pieguy is, or both. it's all what I have to say.

EBWOP: either fart/pieguy is scum

Sorry, I'm here. I haven't done any fartownik-looking yet.

My best guess right now is a Dake-Jinxy(fartownik)-Tanzklaue(pieguy), listed in most to least likely in my eyes (while everything in parentheses is alternate). Jinxy and DakeDekaane are roughly equal, though.

The one thing that makes D2 VCA hard is the fact that the Dake and Haneii wagons each had either none or just one of the others in the VT pile on them. Another reason is that there's no real way to discern intent from the Haneii wagon, since the only vote that could realistically be used for that was the only one who was confirmed town.

Right now, I'm suspecting one of two things:

1. Scum were pretty safe and decided to let town dictate the shots so they could remain in the background: This indicates at most likely two of Tanzklaue-fartownik-pieguy are scum.

2. DakeDekaane wagon is likely scum; this is what makes me suspect that both of the PRs are scum. Both fartownik and pieguy were voting Dake on D2 when the wagon was at its peak, but pieguy ended up voting Haneii in the end anyway. The vote itself is dead null, but his comment in that same post is giving me really weird vibes.

That's about all I can get from vote patterns.

I just realized both of them aren't 100% mutually exclusive. They can technically both be true, although I don't think that's too likely.

So I guess tomorrow im prodding everyone that hasn't posted within 24 hours

Hey, if you think Dake is scum why are you suspecting all the people who voted him? AFAIK it was just me and fartownik, and making such a move with all three scum seems kind of ridiculous IMO. Also, I know I'm town, so option 2 is impossible for me. Since no one claimed Tracker, I'm willing to bet fartownik is town too since he's the only one who could get affected by the ninja. I figured there's the chance of a mafia watcher, but not so much now.

That just leaves Caligno, DakeDekaane, Jinxy, and Tanz. With these odds I'd be willing to lynch either Dake or Jinxy at this point if we just end the day now, but ofc it'd be better to avoid that to maybe get more info. Caligno being the 3rd scum also fits with everything that's happened and plus it's my gut feeling.

pieguy1372 wrote:

Hey, if you think Dake is scum why are you suspecting all the people who voted him? AFAIK it was just me and fartownik, and making such a move with all three scum seems kind of ridiculous IMO.

Bussing a scumbuddy when you're feeling safe about your chances despite their death is a valid maneuver that I can definitely see as a possibility here.

That said, I'm not even going to worry about it until we absolutely have to make a decision as to whether fartownik is scum or not (D4).

Saying Watcher is town because he's the only one that can be affected by the ninja is a bit... weak. It stops being relevant if the Ninja doesn't exist. Even if it does, then there's no guarantee whatsoever that it would have an effect on the game since the role decision was random.

as for the Watcher, as NoHItter said, Occham's Razor always works in these kinds of games, for me anyway. XD
The thing with that was from mafia perspective there's only 2 mafias, so if he does get lynched that's a bad situation since they don't know who the traitor is. If they did recruit the traitor, then I don't think they'd have 2 people vote him just like that, since that would seem really unnatural..

Hnh, I need to rethink my reads again.

Reading through the D3 posts several times is making me more and more confused every time I do it. I probably need sleep to get them to settle.

Oh god such fail. I was going under the assumption that there was 3 scum and a traitor this whole time.

*facepalm*

Rantai wrote:

Oh god such fail. I was going under the assumption that there was 3 scum and a traitor this whole time.

*facepalm*

erm...

you know... we would've been dead this day if this was the case? xD

ok, rthe problem is: we have 4 townies and 3 scum left. at this point, scum does much better to stop activity (which is one of the many reasons for declining activity), so yea.

I am highly suspicious of fart and decently suspicious of pieguy, though pieguy is a lot less likely to be scum than fart. for today, jinxy seems to be the most reasonable lynch. in the night rantai should be protected, and farto should do whatever he deems right. scum doesn't have thatz many options to shoot profitable anymore. basically, I think if pieguy protects rantai and isn't scum, he is the most likely to die next night, followed by the strongest townread (me) and the strongest towncontributor (caligno).

if I think more about it, I think I am the last safe shoot besides rantai for them without messing up their wifom? do i see this right? lesser players mustn't be a disadvantage, as scum played this game basically on the back of wifom. but now there is almost no candidate for wifom left. if we just had one confirmed townie more... this would be so much easier. anyway, I think we should lynch jinxy tonight. if pieguy protects rantai, then farto should probably watch pieguy or me, because I think the NK will hit one of us two.

oh my god the grammar in my post gives me cancer.

if you need a clearer version, then don't be afraid to ask. I just shouldn't write anything unless I'm awake for at least 2 hours ._.

Jinxy, question;

Who do you think the 3 scum are?

And yeah that was a huge and terrible misconception on my part.

Oops?

Please let me know if you see any mistakes

Jinxy has been prodded

DD, fart, Tanz or Caligno

Both tanz and caligno looked pretty town to me so I don't really think it's that easy that all the scum are the other VTs, so I think fart may be scum.

That's really all I have for now, exams are in full swing but maybe I'll get to read and post more on the weekends since next week's subjects are all ok for me.

Except social studies but I give none of the fucks for that

I just love how you guys keep saying 'fart may be scum' but end up giving no real arguments for your suspicion.

I don't really have anything to add, I will just vote because it seems like nothing productive is being done anymore.

Vote: JInxy

since there was no ninja hammer I'm just going to assume JInxy is mafia

if not, since there was no ninja hammer, both mafia would already be voting JInxy -> Dake and fartownik are both mafia. Dake could be, but as I said before think fartownik is.

inb4 mafia mason

I'm only wandering why you guys suspect Jinxy, but don't vote him yet, do you have any better lynch, or what makes you unsure of?

Do you have anything else to add, like actions for N3, which I doubt that would happen. I'm really sure of my suspects, but I can't vote any other that isn't Jinxy, as it's the safest lynch atm.

Not quite ready for a hammer just yet. That and DD screams mafia on a megaphone right now.

What was that, Dake? Why you wanna end the day asap so badly?

hm, that we still have no ninjalynch speaks heavily for traitor in the round and/or probably both jinxy and DD scumaligned.

or DD made a big mistake, and jinxy, caligno and unknown person y are scum.

Nice, one try to make people discuss and get voted instead. Some of you agreed with me in D2 and now not, why the flip flop? Hi Jinxy, hi Caligno, hi fart.

I just want you to think about our PRs actions, how to find the liar, or the most convenient claims as both matched in a convenient way and looks like all this was useless.

Eh after a bit more thinking you're about as scummy as each other.

And in the end the town was so badly crippled at the start, anyone could be anything (there's nothing that proves someone is definitely town/scum).

Vote: Jinxy

Please let me know if you see any mistakes

What's deadline?

CalignoBot wrote:

What's deadline?

1 day 9 hours 8 minutes from now on.

I'd vote JInxy but no point in ending day early..

CalignoBot wrote:

What's deadline?

On the first link post you can click on the date and it will take you to a countdown site, same for the first post of D3

Sorry about the delay
As you gather around Jinxy, people start throwing accusations, "It must be DakeDekaane" said one person "No i'm fairly sure it was Jinxy" while you guys bicker about whether it was Dake or Jinxy, Rantai sneaks from behind and strangles Jinxy with a rope "There! done" he said"


Jinxy Mafia Traitor has been lynched Day 3

It is now Night 3, deadline for all actions is July 15th 14:18 GMT-5

Traitor Role 0/10 would not trait again

Go scum k

As you wake up, you find a message written in blood in one the walls "This is in return for strangling one of our own", with a big black bag at the foot of the wall, you open the bag and find the corpse of CalignoBot, with a bullet hole right through the forehead

CalignoBot Vanilla Townie has been shot N3


It is now Day 4, which will last until July 21st 13:21 GMT-5
Once again due to work, i rather end it a bit early, my apologies.

Rule Changes:

During LyLo when there's a tie in the votes, the person who reached the tying ammount of votes first will be lynched.
No Lynch votes are banned during LyLo (they wont count)

so at least one of the PRs is scum.

so farto should be scum right?

ow

So Tanz for scum.

What a plot twist.

Why would Tanz be scum? This only confirms that there's at least 1 scum in the PR, and most likely both as I don't consider Tanz as scum, unless he had played pretty well until now, tho a quick vote doesn't say anything.

What exactly did I miss this time that confirms a PR as scum?

...well if we assume no PR is scum, the only ones left are DakeDekaane and Tanz. From Tanz's perspective, everything else is impossible.
I wouldn't even be surprised if Tanz and fartownik were working together this whole time, and Tanz is voting fartownik to confuse all of us. Anything seems to be possible here.

There's scum in PR, that's a fact. If not, how the hell we had 4 PR? It means there would be at least 1 scum PR (scum could have enabled daychat, Jinxy flipped as Traitor means he wasn't recruited, otherwise he'd flipped Goon, so they could have picked another PR for them). That scum PR would be Tanz, but I really doubt that atm.

Tanz, it'd be nice if you elaborate.

If anything I'm surprised I didn't die. I assumed mafia would kill me because I'm confirmed... mafia could be WIFOM'ing a fartownik + me combo, which makes me lean towards Dake and Tanz, but as I just said it's WIFOM so it could still be fartownik.

Dake: since when was Tanz PR? we just had BRBP, me, fartownik, and RB and that's it. if mafia chose PR + daychat, something like that could give us 4 PRs.

pieguy1372 wrote:

Dake: since when was Tanz PR? we just had BRBP, me, fartownik, and RB and that's it. if mafia chose PR + daychat, something like that could give us 4 PRs.

he means I could be a mafia PR.



so, I'll explain myself:

I am a vanilla townie. that means I'm no scum. rantai can't be scum. that leaves dake, fart and pieguy as possible scum. fart MUST be scum, there is no other way around it. for dake and pieguy... I honestly can't say who is the second scum, as both of them have pretty heavy evidence against them. dake didn't get voted out by mafia in day 3, but now he supports my point heavily, which would make sense if he was a vanilla townie, since he should be at the same stage as I am. could be a bussing try though
pieguy on the other hand played overall more town, but: the fact that he isn't dead is really wonky if you get what I mean. I think for scum it would've been smarter to finally get rid of the jailkeeper so they can kill rantai. but they didn't. neither did they try to shoot rantai, though, which can either mean that they knew that rantai will be protected (or just guessed that pieguy won't protect any other person) or that they want to keep the illusion alive that pieguy is town.

the question is: do you think that I, if I am scum, play this extraordinarily well, nobody suspects me to be even slightly scum, just to make a really dumb mistake in the most critical moment, or do you think that fart is scum, who the whole game through did not much to actually help town (kay me neither), claimed watcher pretty conveniently and made in consequence pretty convenient claims? please consider that I would've wanted scum to pick daychat if I was scum so I can bugger them with all sorts of questions about how to play (ergo: I wouldn't have made a mistake that big).

dake and pieguy really make it hard... they both play in a way that we can't really find out who is scum and who is not.

it would actually be big if pieguy could stop the nightkill tonight, if he can do it.

I also want to hear what fart has to say.

Mod: is it allowed to prod players this shortly after the night if they were inactive before? if yes, then

Prod: fartownik

if no then nvm me

Tanzklaue wrote:

Mod: is it allowed to prod players this shortly after the night if they were inactive before? if yes, then

there's been 9 hours since night ended, due to timezones it's recommended you wait at least 24 hours before requesting a prod since day start.


Please let me know if there's any mistakes.

Hi there. I was away for the past day, couldn't post.

As for what happened - it was most likely what pieguy said. Mafia is throwing WIFOM that me and pieguy are both scum, I don't see any other explanation for this. Tanz's vote on me right after the day started was pretty scummy and it's just obvious right now he's scum along with Dake, unless pieguy is scum somehow, but that's impossible since I confirmed him already.

fart, who did you watch this night?

I actually watched pieguy because I thought he was the most likely to be nightkilled.

what did he do?

no wait that was the tracker that could find that out, sorry.

I stand by my point. fart is scum, and I lean for pieguy as second scum, since he didn't died this night.

nobody saying anything is the worst thing. oh well, then I will elaborate myself a little bit more:

first of all, I did nothing anti-town the whole game through. you could argue that my quick vote was anti-town, and while incredibly dumb, it is more of a pro-town indicator.

let's assume I and dake were scum. why the fuck would we shoot caligno instead of pieguy? there is literally no reason, except the Wifom it would create. but what does Wifom bring me and dake in this situation when we are dead? not much, that's for sure.
why should I push fart in this situation? there are easier targets to push (dake), and if he was my scumpartner then I wouldn't push at all. why should I play such a perfect game where nobody suspects me, just to throw it hardcore?

well, maybe I want fart to buss me, because he is my scumpartner. but again, he would be scum, and he would be the better option to lynch. lynching me has the high risk of lynching somebody who isn't scum, as me and fart being the scum would be the only believable scenario in which i am scum. again, if dake and I were scum, pieguy would be dead by now.

the only reason to push fart in this situation that would make sense is if I was a vanilla townie. a vanilla townie for whom there is no doubt that fart has to be scum.

the only reason for pieguy being alive would be that he is scum. I can't really think of anything different. this doesn't even contradict with dake not being quickhammered on day 3, as scum was unsure whether dake or jinxy were traitor. there is still a cloud of uncertainy who of them is the last scum, but fart is 100% scum, and from that on, most argumentations would lead to pieguy. the way fart defended pieguy whenever the option of him (and fart) is, in my eyes, suspicious. add to that that fart reacted to even the slightest suspicions rather harshly (that one phrase about how we suspect you but have no real evidence on day 3 in particular) just stinks.

again analysing the kill situation. if I were scum, then scum would have at least one power of some sort. I would have wanted daytalk, as I would be insecure to play scum without a guiding hand. if I and dake were scum, then we would have yet another power. since it wasn't the traitor, it could've been one of either rolecop, ninja, bulletproof or JOAT. the option of having at least one undetectable nightkill would've been there.

then the fact that all of the claims of at least fart are very convenient claims. the claim of being watcher in an open set up like this (it was originally closed, but thanks to NH it wasn't for long), is really easy. you can make up all your results easily, as you will just say that you watched person x getting visited by person y. he basically didn't bring one useful result, and all of his claims were pretty basic.


I hope I could at least get rantai on my side. I am not scum, and fart is. if you (or the other townie) vote me, then we lose instantly. and if fart doesn't get lynched, then we lose aswell (except if the other scum gets lynched, which is doubtable). I would really hate to lose against so much gimmicky play and gambit. it would feel cheap.

The fact that both voted me in D2 without any other real suspects from them is still bugging me, like they thought I was the Traitor and easiliy take away the suspicious from them. That and fart trying to push too much into Tanz and I right now.

If Tanz and I were really scum, we'd already voted fartownik and ended the game, and this meaning the pretty obvious, unless Tanz is busing fart, which is very unlikely imo. I have nothing against voting fartownik, but I don't want any ninja hammer to avoid us have more discussion.

Please let me know if you see any mistakes

Tanz you're defending yourself way too much. Even if you're one of the last two VTs no one was accusing you, you wrote a long post explaining why you weren't mafia. I'm really not sure what to say.. (plus I have to go in a few minutes > <)

pieguy1372 wrote:

Tanz you're defending yourself way too much. Even if you're one of the last two VTs no one was accusing you, you wrote a long post explaining why you weren't mafia. I'm really not sure what to say.. (plus I have to go in a few minutes > <)

...fart accused me, rantai accused me, you suspected me, I was attacked by basically anyone.

I was as much offended as I could be in this situation.

DakeDekaane wrote:

If Tanz and I were really scum, we'd already voted fartownik and ended the game, and this meaning the pretty obvious, unless Tanz is busing fart, which is very unlikely imo. I have nothing against voting fartownik, but I don't want any ninja hammer to avoid us have more discussion.

Except you can't ninja hammer right now.

--

About Tanz, I'm actually satisfied with his reasoning.

But Caligno being shot is just confusing. Tanz was more or less soft-confirmed town yet wasn't shot over someone who actually had people suspecting him. Tanz being the one person who could have been 'threatened' by him.

Tanzklaue wrote:

...fart accused me, rantai accused me, you suspected me, I was attacked by basically anyone.

I was as much offended as I could be in this situation.

maybe you're right OTL, I'm just not used to seeing people post such a long defense unless they're pretty much directly singled out by someone.

DakeDekaane wrote:

If Tanz and I were really scum, we'd already voted fartownik and ended the game, and this meaning the pretty obvious, unless Tanz is busing fart, which is very unlikely imo. I have nothing against voting fartownik, but I don't want any ninja hammer to avoid us have more discussion.

except that's impossible cause Tanz already voted fart o.o

Rantai wrote:

But Caligno being shot is just confusing. Tanz was more or less soft-confirmed town yet wasn't shot over someone who actually had people suspecting him. Tanz being the one person who could have been 'threatened' by him.

that's what confuses me too. I kinda expected to die, since I was the "safe" shot. even thought about a cool outro line already...
well, in the end we have pieguy not shot, which indicates strongly for him being scum. on the other hand, we have dake not lynched last day, which hints at scum. in the end, I am really unsure, though I tend to pieguy over dake, because I think with the play farto brought us, pieguy just would make sense.

but then dake defending me aswell, but doing so in a nervous fashion...

I really don't have much of a clue. like I said, all I know is that fart is scum. there is no way around it.

also, the unexpected "oh, I'm not dead" combined with "caligno is dead" and tiredness made me not overthink my decision to vote fart directly that much. it was dumb play on my side, and I get the feeling that scum wanted to bait such action out of me.

because I'm new to this and basically the only one who would do such an error.

Tanzklaue wrote:

well, in the end we have pieguy not shot, which indicates strongly for him being scum. on the other hand, we have dake not lynched last day, which hints at scum. in the end, I am really unsure, though I tend to pieguy over dake, because I think with the play farto brought us, pieguy just would make sense.

NKs are all WIFOM which is why I chose random chance over trying to out-WIFOM the mafia..it didn't work unfortunately, but we've still made it this far..
on the other hand since no ninja hammer occurred it has to be either Tanz or fartownik.

omg wtf is going on with these tags > <
and oh great now it's telling me I can't make another post right after my last one..

Derp. I should not write while still asleep. But the fact that fartownik isn't town is still valid.

just saw it.

sakura, you have to update the countdown in the opening post. it still counts for night 3.
Fixed, Thanks
-Sakura

Did the traitor know who the mafia was btw?

Also if you need to ask me something please state it in bold, thank you

Rantai wrote:

Did the traitor know who the mafia was btw?

Eh fine.

Rantai wrote:

Rantai wrote:

Did the traitor know who the mafia was btw?

Eh fine.

Sorry for that, it's just that it's easier to notice a question towards me than a question towards other players that way (or simply state @mod) anyway...

No, if you check the Sample Role PMs, the traitor has no knowledge of who the other 2 are

Let's just end this;

Vote: fart

I still think it's Dake and Tanz but screw it
vote: fartownik

Well that was an obvious kill, don't think anyone is surprised.

Money on DD unless Tanz pulled the biggest dick move on his partner.

And fml another 3 way ly-lo with me as the confirmed town.

Why does this keep happening to me =.=

DD is the last remaining scum.

remember the fun times of day 3? where DD and jinxy were both under votingpressure? they didn't quickhammer jinxy nor DD. I said that scum must fear that one of them is traitor.

you, rantai, said that this is impossible because they would just claim and lynch the remaining person to win instantly. I forgot to mention the scenario I think, but they couldn't claim in the case that one of the voted people was already scum.

I hope you understand what I mean?

anyway, the only possibility of nobody getting ninjahammered on day 3 was that one of the voted persons was scum and they were pretty sure themselves that the other one was traitor (can a role cop find out who the traitor is? if yes, then they probably had it confirmed which is why they didn't claim).

long story short, DD is the last scum.

Then why you no vote me and let Rantai decide?

I considered fart and pieguy as scum since D3, and both pointed at Tanz and I for no real reason in D4, so I strongly believed Tanz was town, but I realized I was wrong after fart being scum PR, then the last one had to be Tanz.

Also, it's possible that fart already knew who was the Traitor by scanning him N2, but you couldn't or passed something from him, that's why you were unsure of voting.

As Rantai is confirmed, then:
Vote: Tanzklaue

It seems there won't be quotefest now.

I didn't directly vote because after day 4 I didn't want to overcommit again. there is of course no one else than you to vote for me.

like I said rantai, the happenings of day 3 pretty much confirm DD as scum. the only reason for scum not claiming and ninjahammering that day was that DD was scum, so they actually couldn't claim, because... well, they would've shot themselves in the knee.

Vote: DakeDekaane

please just don't flip a coin this time ;;

Let me explain better why I think no ninja hammer occurred, there was already two people voting Jinxy, and the first voting me was Jinxy, so you couldn't claim as you needed to convince one person more to vote me, which you couldn't achieve as Jinxy was already pointed by PoE, so fart was forced to voted him if he already knew that Jinxy was the Traitor, but it seems he didn't know as after Caligno voted me nothing else happened.

In short, scum didn't know who was the Traitor.

DakeDekaane wrote:

Let me explain better why I think no ninja hammer occurred, there was already two people voting Jinxy, and the first voting me was Jinxy, so you couldn't claim as you needed to convince one person more to vote me, which you couldn't achieve as Jinxy was already pointed by PoE, so fart was forced to voted him if he already knew that Jinxy was the Traitor, but it seems he didn't know as after Caligno voted me nothing else happened.

In short, scum didn't know who was the Traitor.

if you weren't scum, then they would've claimed at the point you had the vote from caligno on you.they would've gotten a free win, but they couldn't. only reason for that is that you are scum.

like I said, the only reason to not get a quick ninja hammer was that there was one scum under pressure and possibly the traitor (who didn't get ninjahammered either, probably because fart knew who the traitor was).even if scum didn't know who the traitor was, the fact that all the suspicions laid on jinxy made it pretty much clear that he was the traitor from a scum point of view. fart would've pushed on you, who had arose less suspicion (ergo more likely to be town) instead of jinxy. you would've been the safer lynch from a scum point of view if you were town.

but you aren't town. else you would probably be dead by now and town would've already lost the game.because fart could've pushed on you with me if I were scum, and caligno was certain that you are scum, so we would've had 4 people. you would've been dead, I can assure you of that.

I considered fart and pieguy as scum since D3, and both pointed at Tanz and I for no real reason in D4, so I strongly believed Tanz was town, but I realized I was wrong after fart being scum PR, then the last one had to be Tanz.

What? You considered fart as scum then realised you were wrong when fart flipped scum? Contradiction much.

That said;

Vote: DD

Already suspected him etc etc. If Tanz is scum gg wp but everything points to DD so, yeah.

Didn't random.org this time.

I won.

:3

btw. what DD meant was that since fart was a scum PR, the team couldn't be any longer pieguy/fart. there was no contradiction.

Tanz wakes up and starts attacking Dake, but Dake doesn't stand there and decides to fight back, the decission ulimately rests on Rantai who mentions "That doesn't make any sense, you must be the last one, Dake starts sweating and tries to escape towards the escape pod room, where he finds that... there are no more escape pods, Rantai catches him from behind and as soon as Dake tries to reach for his gun, Rantai snatches it off his hand and shoots him, then Dake and Tanz search him and notice a list of very familiar names:
BRBP
Raging Bull
pieguy1372
"Hold on, why's Caligno not on this list?" Dake spews his last words: "he... was... fartownik's target... not mine..." then his life fades"

DakeDekaane - Mafia Goon has been lynched D5

Tanzklaue - Vanilla Townie has survived!

Rantai - Town Mason has survived!

This game ends in a:

Town Win

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