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Stacking the Deck - (Game Over - Town Win)
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that whole masons thing is just confusing as hell x.x
the question is: how useful would be a fullclaim from the PRs? the probability of a skewed massclaim is low, and I think we shouldn't draw bigger (or to word it better: specific) targets on our PRs. I don't think we need more information about what our PRs are. they will work more efficiently if they are not widely known.
the question is: how useful would be a fullclaim from the PRs? the probability of a skewed massclaim is low, and I think we shouldn't draw bigger (or to word it better: specific) targets on our PRs. I don't think we need more information about what our PRs are. they will work more efficiently if they are not widely known.
At this rate, either fart or I will die N1 anyways since I don't think mafia needs to kill masons.
say thanks to nohitter, according to whom you're totally expandable.
Em, I think you guys forgot something. Sakura stated before that there's 2 Masons + 2 Additional PRs for Town (if I understood that correctly). The masons don't count as the 2 Additional PRs. This means that Mafia didn't pick anything for themselves (?), because if they did we'd have 1, 2 or 3 more additional PRs, unless one of the Masons is also a PR.
Can anyone confirm this?
Can anyone confirm this?
at least BRBP said that he has an additional PR (I believe? sorry if I misread that).
masons can also have additional PRs. so if rantai has an additional PR, then scum chose 2 advantages. probably 2 PRs, since daychat with 2 people isn't too useful (I don't know since I have no experience :/), and recruiting the traitor isn't a good enough trade for an additional PR in my opinion (since a goon doesn't have that many perks more than a traitor anyway).
so I would assume that we have a set up of 1-2 PR mafias with one traitor amongst us.
masons can also have additional PRs. so if rantai has an additional PR, then scum chose 2 advantages. probably 2 PRs, since daychat with 2 people isn't too useful (I don't know since I have no experience :/), and recruiting the traitor isn't a good enough trade for an additional PR in my opinion (since a goon doesn't have that many perks more than a traitor anyway).
so I would assume that we have a set up of 1-2 PR mafias with one traitor amongst us.
Vote: NoHitter
I understood it more like BRBP confirmed being Mason, but I can be wrong.Tanzklaue wrote:
at least BRBP said that he has an additional PR (I believe? sorry if I misread that).
masons can also have additional PRs. so if rantai has an additional PR, then scum chose 2 advantages. probably 2 PRs, since daychat with 2 people isn't too useful (I don't know since I have no experience :/), and recruiting the traitor isn't a good enough trade for an additional PR in my opinion (since a goon doesn't have that many perks more than a traitor anyway).
so I would assume that we have a set up of 1-2 PR mafias with one traitor amongst us.
BRBP would you elaborate?
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.06
NoHitter (1) - Irreversible
Not Voting (11) - fartownik, JInxyjem, NoHitter, Tanzklaue, Haneii, rEdo, BRBP, Rantai, DakeDekaane, Hika
With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.
NoHitter (1) - Irreversible
Not Voting (11) - fartownik, JInxyjem, NoHitter, Tanzklaue, Haneii, rEdo, BRBP, Rantai, DakeDekaane, Hika
With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Please let me know if you see any mistakes.
He said he is also a PR
It seems Irre likes to grab attention too much, why did you vote NH?
Well, it seems we only have to wait for all of PRs claim, either we could have a scum in the claimed PRs or all scum hidden in the VT, if it's the last I have to agree a bit with Tanzklaue, tho they may have daychat as it'd be useful as they could discuss in our back right now, but given the situation it's more likely to they could have 2 PR and Traitor is more likely to be in the crowd, that'd be the most difficult to find as a Cop can't find it, unless scum make a bad move and end up killing it.
Well, it seems we only have to wait for all of PRs claim, either we could have a scum in the claimed PRs or all scum hidden in the VT, if it's the last I have to agree a bit with Tanzklaue, tho they may have daychat as it'd be useful as they could discuss in our back right now, but given the situation it's more likely to they could have 2 PR and Traitor is more likely to be in the crowd, that'd be the most difficult to find as a Cop can't find it, unless scum make a bad move and end up killing it.
Waiting for fart to claim first 
Just to let you know, DakeDekaane, the mafia could have 2 PR, daychat, and the traitor. The traitor would always be there (ie:mafia doesn't have to choose/ask for one) unless the mafia chose to recruit him/her into a Goon:DakeDekaane wrote:
tho they may have daychat as it'd be useful as they could discuss in our back right now, but given the situation it's more likely to they could have 2 PR and Traitor is more likely to be in the crowd,
Sakura wrote:
This game will be using the "Stacking the Deck" setup, there will be 3 scum, one of them is a Traitor and they don't know who it is, yet, Mafia may choose up to 3 of the following powers that they want
Are we counting Rantai in PR list? Rantai do you have another role besides Mason?NoHitter wrote:
Not PR
NoHitter
JInxyjem
Hika
DakeDekaane
Irreversible
Haneii
Tanzklaue
rEdo
PR
Raging Bull
Rantai
fartownik
BRBP
If you're mafia and lie and then someone else claims to have the same role you're caught (or at least quite soon).Tanzklaue wrote:
how useful would be a fullclaim from the PRs?
Kay, so if BRBP is a PR too then it gives us 3 PR for town, which means Mafia took 1 option from the list (unless someone from Town lied for some reason). Time for my claim I guess.
Claim: Watcher
Claim: Watcher
claim vigilante
I am a Mason only. No extra roles.
I still counted myself as PR because of mason alone (hence why I got confused before).
I still counted myself as PR because of mason alone (hence why I got confused before).
If you guys want, I can just shoot no hitter instead. Perhaps lynch someone else.
I think its safe to say that Mafia is hiding amongst the non-PR claims.
It's only up to us to lynch them one by one.
Actually now that I think of it, BRBP, I don't think you have to claim PR anymore since Rantai confirmed you as Mason.
Vig and Watcher seems to fit well enough with the setup. BRBP is also confirmed town since Rantai and him are Masons.
That's 4 - 3 - 5 (confirmed town - scum - unconfirmed town).
Mason - Rantai
Mason + ??? - BRBP
Watcher - fartownik
Vigilante - Raging Bull
We should lynch one of the 8 unconfirmed now.
NoHitter
Jinxy
Hika
DakeDekaane
Irreversible
Haneii
Tanzklaue
rEdo
Next step is to give your reads on all of the above eight.
Tanz looks like a town read for me. The discussion regarding the entire massclaim strategy seems like a genuine town thing to do. Mafia would more likely keep silent.
Jinxy also looks town for giving what I think is townie advice re: the massclaim strategy.
Hika looks a bit suspicious to me. In the ISO, Hika states that "I still don't think it's okay for PR's to be revealing themselves.". But there was no mention of "I don't want PR's to reveal themselves" prior to that post. Parroting this early in the game?
rEdo also looks a bit suspicous due to the scumpainting in posts.
@Irreversible
Why did you vote me?
It's only up to us to lynch them one by one.
Actually now that I think of it, BRBP, I don't think you have to claim PR anymore since Rantai confirmed you as Mason.
Vig and Watcher seems to fit well enough with the setup. BRBP is also confirmed town since Rantai and him are Masons.
That's 4 - 3 - 5 (confirmed town - scum - unconfirmed town).
Mason - Rantai
Mason + ??? - BRBP
Watcher - fartownik
Vigilante - Raging Bull
We should lynch one of the 8 unconfirmed now.
NoHitter
Jinxy
Hika
DakeDekaane
Irreversible
Haneii
Tanzklaue
rEdo
Next step is to give your reads on all of the above eight.
Tanz looks like a town read for me. The discussion regarding the entire massclaim strategy seems like a genuine town thing to do. Mafia would more likely keep silent.
Jinxy also looks town for giving what I think is townie advice re: the massclaim strategy.
Hika looks a bit suspicious to me. In the ISO, Hika states that "I still don't think it's okay for PR's to be revealing themselves.". But there was no mention of "I don't want PR's to reveal themselves" prior to that post. Parroting this early in the game?
rEdo also looks a bit suspicous due to the scumpainting in posts.
rEdo wrote:
keep in mind that the scum themselves could be suggesting this in order to receive information, and that whole "let's claim who has them PRs" thing could be just a bait for us to bite. I wouldn't share such information with everybody else while we've got threats in.
The rest feel null to me at the moment.rEdo wrote:
not to mention that this whole claiming thing could be mafia's conspiration
@Irreversible
Why did you vote me?
Should I even shoot in the beginning? Assuming they have JOAT only, that means there are 2 scum + 1 traitor.
Wait, are you a dayvig or nightvig?
Hmm it's up to you. If we mislynch that will leave us with 4 - 3 - 4. (3 scum - 4 unconfirmed town). Those are great odds for a vig.Raging Bull wrote:
Should I even shoot in the beginning? Assuming they have JOAT only, that means there are 2 scum + 1 traitor.
BUT if you do hit a townie though, that will leave us at (3-3-3) which is the case where mafia have half the votes...
BUT if we lynch scum today, you should definitely shoot.
(Incidentally if you shoot someone and they DON'T get killed, you will essentially have confirmed a BP/JoAT.)
WAIT A MINUTE!
I just want to point out that Watcher doesn't necessarily fall under a "confirmed" PR role.
I misread what the post wrote: "Change a goon into a Ninja (If they submit the kill, they cannot be tracked)"
Mod: By "tracked" do you mean "watched"? i.e. Seen by a Watcher?
I just want to point out that Watcher doesn't necessarily fall under a "confirmed" PR role.
I misread what the post wrote: "Change a goon into a Ninja (If they submit the kill, they cannot be tracked)"
Mod: By "tracked" do you mean "watched"? i.e. Seen by a Watcher?
nightvig.
What I meant was if I should shoot N1.
I don't think traitor would have been recruited judging by our PR roles.
What I meant was if I should shoot N1.
I don't think traitor would have been recruited judging by our PR roles.
Although I suppose since there is watcher/tracker, it doesn't really mean that mafia has JOAT....So I don't know
Topic Starter
Both, when Ninja submits kill it's like they targeted no one, so watcher wont see anyone targetting their target, or tracker wont see the ninja targetting anyone.NoHitter wrote:
Mod: By "tracked" do you mean "watched"? i.e. Seen by a Watcher?
My reads:
Irreversible: Totally null. Especially that random vote on NoHitter, he also used to post more in the previous games.
JInxyjem: Leaning Town, still - not as active as he should be. Supported NH's idea, yet went silent after that.
NoHitter: I'd say Town, but can't be confirmed yet. Done a lot for Town (not yet the results, but at least tried so far), basically the most active player in the game at the moment.
Tanzklaue: Probably Town (a newbie one). He seems pretty honest, and that's what most of the first-time Vanilla players do.
Hika: Null, null, null. Nothing but casual posts regarding unimportant things.
DakeDekaane: Null leaning Town. His motivations seem like Town-caring, yet he hasn't really done any scumhunting whatsoever (besides pushing Irre, but for obvious reasons).
Raging Bull: Probably Town. He seems pretty calm with his posts, nothing nonchalant. I'm also in for believing in his claim.
Haneii: Null leaning Town.
rEdo: Absolutely Null, done "something" by being skeptical about NH's tactic, but that's just not enough for anything.
BRBP: Town.
Rantai: Town.
A lot of nulls, some Towns and none scum. I'd dig in for the ones marked as Null.
Irreversible: Totally null. Especially that random vote on NoHitter, he also used to post more in the previous games.
JInxyjem: Leaning Town, still - not as active as he should be. Supported NH's idea, yet went silent after that.
NoHitter: I'd say Town, but can't be confirmed yet. Done a lot for Town (not yet the results, but at least tried so far), basically the most active player in the game at the moment.
Tanzklaue: Probably Town (a newbie one). He seems pretty honest, and that's what most of the first-time Vanilla players do.
Hika: Null, null, null. Nothing but casual posts regarding unimportant things.
DakeDekaane: Null leaning Town. His motivations seem like Town-caring, yet he hasn't really done any scumhunting whatsoever (besides pushing Irre, but for obvious reasons).
Raging Bull: Probably Town. He seems pretty calm with his posts, nothing nonchalant. I'm also in for believing in his claim.
Haneii: Null leaning Town.
rEdo: Absolutely Null, done "something" by being skeptical about NH's tactic, but that's just not enough for anything.
BRBP: Town.
Rantai: Town.
A lot of nulls, some Towns and none scum. I'd dig in for the ones marked as Null.
We have 3 claimed PRs, which means that mafia has at least 1 PR, that I'm almost sure is hidden, implying all town cooperated with this.
I think the Ninja/bulletproof is the most likely they'd have, given our PR (Watcher/Vig). Also it's good that BRBP hasn't claimed, he shouldn't do it.
But well, that's only what I have in my mind, it's a bit hard for me to get solid thoughts in D1.
If we were to pick a lynch from non-PR, I'd go with any of the inactive/lurkers to look for their reactions, also:
@BRBP: can we know the reasons of your vote on NH?
I think the Ninja/bulletproof is the most likely they'd have, given our PR (Watcher/Vig). Also it's good that BRBP hasn't claimed, he shouldn't do it.
But well, that's only what I have in my mind, it's a bit hard for me to get solid thoughts in D1.
If we were to pick a lynch from non-PR, I'd go with any of the inactive/lurkers to look for their reactions, also:
@BRBP: can we know the reasons of your vote on NH?
you didn't even ask me for reasons, yaaaaayfartownik wrote:
My reads:
Irreversible: Totally null. Especially that random vote on NoHitter, he also used to post more in the previous games.
maybe it wasn't a good idea to sign up for this mafia, since i have absolutely no time lol but think whatever you want :3
i was sitting in school, and I was boredNoHitter wrote:
@Irreversible
Why did you vote me?
and i just saw this question now, so nvm to this above
oh and @fart: stop making these non-sense conclusions again, only because i posted more in the previous games. what should I say about you? the first mafia game: you were pretty quiet
second mafia: that offensive, i have to say. but nvm to that, so stop comparing to other games, thanks
triple post, next time i think more before posting :X
second mafia: that offensive, i have to say. but nvm to that, so stop comparing to other games, thanks
triple post, next time i think more before posting :X
@Irreversible, comparing to other games is a legit way to judge the change of behavior between games (it's called 'meta'). Some may act differently as scum and as town because of the circumstances. This was not a "non-sense" conclusion, it was just a conclusion.
hm okay then, i wanted to avoid to get conclusions with other games, i thought 1 game is something totally different, i was wrong then
Ask NH.DakeDekaane wrote:
@BRBP: can we know the reasons of your vote on NH?
No idea why he's voting for me.BRBP wrote:
Ask NH.DakeDekaane wrote:
@BRBP: can we know the reasons of your vote on NH?
Also from my previous posts:
Vote: rEdo
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.07
NoHitter (2) - Irreversible, BRBP
rEdo (1) - NoHitter
Not Voting (9) - fartownik, Jinxy, anzklaue, Haneii, rEdo, Rantai, DakeDekaane, Hika
With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.
NoHitter (2) - Irreversible, BRBP
rEdo (1) - NoHitter
Not Voting (9) - fartownik, Jinxy, anzklaue, Haneii, rEdo, Rantai, DakeDekaane, Hika
With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Please let me know if you see any mistakes.
Oh well... looking at this right now is actually weird. He proposed this and also claimed right in the same post.BRBP wrote:
@NH Just wondering since you asked Irre why he voted for you, but didn't ask me.
@Dake I voted because I don't like the "two style" nor that he basically stated "We're playing like this whether you like it or not. *Okay I go first, not a pr*" immediately after the game started.
etc.
I still wouldn't go for him though, at least not yet. It might've been just a slip, or maybe he was too sure his tactic will end up successful.
Reads from others would be appreciated here.
i didn't read properly again :c if i have time i give you my reads o3o
maybe some questions
brbp: why did you think nohitter knows why you voted him?
nohitter: are you worried about the 2 votes you have right now?
dake: instead of telling us smth about you you always ask 'why did you vote him, why did you vote that'.. are you worried about nohitter's live? :c
fartownik: ARE YOU SCUM OR NOT WE WANT TO KNOW
brbp
maybe some questions
brbp: why did you think nohitter knows why you voted him?
nohitter: are you worried about the 2 votes you have right now?
dake: instead of telling us smth about you you always ask 'why did you vote him, why did you vote that'.. are you worried about nohitter's live? :c
fartownik: ARE YOU SCUM OR NOT WE WANT TO KNOW
brbp