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Stacking the Deck - (Game Over - Town Win)
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I don't like to rely on probability too much ;~; but I agree that there's a pretty high number for D1, I hope we can discuss enough to reach an agreement with everybody.
To escape the mafia's eyes I think.Irreversible wrote:
Why should town lie to get suspicious or what? I don't get that actually, ..
God damn, I cannot read anyone in this discussion right here. Both of you guys bring up good point, but I do like what NoHitter says. We can narrow down the list from potential lynches each day depending on what mafia claimed and who is still alive. I think with how much people already claimed, it's perhaps best to just tell what you guys are. Perhaps you think I'm scummy for this, but more than half already risked our roles, best to have everyone do it so we can get a better list of people.
Add ISO too
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Add ISO too
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Well, NH basically answered everything, so I don't really have much to add, but there's one part I think NH didn't really answer, so:
Also, I agree with RB's post above. Stopping the massclaim halfway does not "reduce the possible damage" as said by Tanz. By stopping, we don't get the information we set out to get from the massclaim (Amount of Town and Scum PRs), while mafia has partially received information on who the Town PRs are, already.
For the second lie, it does not affect anything because we're using the amount of Town power roles to infer the amount of Scum power roles. (Scum PRs = Town - 2).Haneii wrote:
That isn't the only lie they can make. They can say they don't have a power role when they do.NoHitter wrote:
Like I said before, scum can only lie by adding more "claimed PRs" to the list.
Also, I agree with RB's post above. Stopping the massclaim halfway does not "reduce the possible damage" as said by Tanz. By stopping, we don't get the information we set out to get from the massclaim (Amount of Town and Scum PRs), while mafia has partially received information on who the Town PRs are, already.
Four days before the deadline.
I think everyone should claim now as we need to build up the specifics of the plan soon.
Not PR
NoHitter
JInxyjem
Hika
DakeDekaane
Irreversible
PR
Raging Bull
Rantai
fartownik
I think everyone should claim now as we need to build up the specifics of the plan soon.
Not PR
NoHitter
JInxyjem
Hika
DakeDekaane
Irreversible
PR
Raging Bull
Rantai
fartownik
I agree with RB and JInx here. If we stop claiming right now it will only cause confusion and more WIFOM in the next days, basically harming town even more. NH already explained a lot here and I will trust him for this one. I don't see a reason (a pro-town one) for the remaining people not to claim in this very moment.
fine.
I have no PR
I have no PR
I still think that the mass claim is super anti town, though. but by now the damage is already too big and not claiming would be like lynching yourself.
Konei, rEdo, Haneii. Your turn.
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.04
Raging Bull (1) - Hika
Not Voting (11) - fartownik, Irreversible, JInxyjem, NoHitter, Tanzklaue, Haneii, rEdo, Konei, Rantai, DakeDekaane, Raging Bull
With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Raging Bull (1) - Hika
Not Voting (11) - fartownik, Irreversible, JInxyjem, NoHitter, Tanzklaue, Haneii, rEdo, Konei, Rantai, DakeDekaane, Raging Bull
With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Please let me know if you see any mistakes.
Moderator's Notes: The ISOs for this game have been added
You just described the game of mafia. He suggested we use the info from the claims towards traditional scumhunting and you call it ridiculous because it'll play out like a mafia game?Tanzklaue wrote:
this is just ridiculous, your reasoning of they-shoot-us-to-death-but-in-the-optimum-case-we-can-lynch-them-faster-than-they-kill-us sounds like a really bad justification for this.
*looks through thread to see which post might have given you this idea/made you feel threatened*Tanzklaue wrote:
I still think that the mass claim is super anti town, though. but by now the damage is already too big and not claiming would be like lynching yourself.
*comes up empty*
Okay.
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Thank you for answering all my questions, NoHitter
As for me: I am not a PR
sorry for the bad wording, what I meant is that his (nohitters) exact plan only would work in the optimum case (and maybe one or two others), while in every other scenario scum just playing shooting gallery and town not having enough clues/time to find clues that lead to the mafia.Haneii wrote:
You just described the game of mafia. He suggested we use the info from the claims towards traditional scumhunting and you call it ridiculous because it'll play out like a mafia game?Tanzklaue wrote:
this is just ridiculous, your reasoning of they-shoot-us-to-death-but-in-the-optimum-case-we-can-lynch-them-faster-than-they-kill-us sounds like a really bad justification for this.
Haneii wrote:
*looks through thread to see which post might have given you this idea/made you feel threatened*Tanzklaue wrote:
I still think that the mass claim is super anti town, though. but by now the damage is already too big and not claiming would be like lynching yourself.
*comes up empty*
Okay.
basically this. the massclaim advanced too far, scum already got advantages. our only hope is to deal with the situation we got into now, and hope we somehow can get something out of it for town. a full massclaim is more salvageable than a 3/4 massclaim.fartownik wrote:
I agree with RB and JInx here. If we stop claiming right now it will only cause confusion and more WIFOM in the next days, basically harming town even more. NH already explained a lot here and I will trust him for this one. I don't see a reason (a pro-town one) for the remaining people not to claim in this very moment.
I'm not a PR.
Still, I completely dislike the idea of revealing our powers to the scum. If we won't lynch them early enough, then that's gonna leave us with nothing and we'll have to blindly guess (like we would anyway), whereas the scum will have us exposed and succesively take down one by one.
not to mention that this whole claiming thing could be mafia's conspiration
Still, I completely dislike the idea of revealing our powers to the scum. If we won't lynch them early enough, then that's gonna leave us with nothing and we'll have to blindly guess (like we would anyway), whereas the scum will have us exposed and succesively take down one by one.
not to mention that this whole claiming thing could be mafia's conspiration
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Eh.
Eh.
[b:03945]Vote:Konei[/b:03945]
Not PR
NoHitter
JInxyjem
Hika
DakeDekaane
Irreversible
Tanzklaue
Haneii
rEdo
PR
Raging Bull
Rantai
fartownik
If I understood right, if it remains at 3 PR our next plan of action is to get the masons to claim?
Mod: Can you prod Konei, please
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NoHitter
JInxyjem
Hika
DakeDekaane
Irreversible
Tanzklaue
Haneii
rEdo
PR
Raging Bull
Rantai
fartownik
If I understood right, if it remains at 3 PR our next plan of action is to get the masons to claim?
Mod: Can you prod Konei, please
I still find it odd that you went first went with "I'm going to claim because if I don't I'll get lynched" instead of "I agree with Fartownik, Jinx, and RB - it's too late and we should all claim"Tanzklaue wrote:
Haneii wrote:
Tanzklaue wrote:
I still think that the mass claim is super anti town, though. but by now the damage is already too big and not claiming would be like lynching yourself.
*looks through thread to see which post might have given you this idea/made you feel threatened*
*comes up empty*
Okay.
fartownik wrote:
I agree with RB and JInx here. If we stop claiming right now it will only cause confusion and more WIFOM in the next days, basically harming town even more. NH already explained a lot here and I will trust him for this one. I don't see a reason (a pro-town one) for the remaining people not to claim in this very moment.
basically this. the massclaim advanced too far, scum already got advantages. our only hope is to deal with the situation we got into now, and hope we somehow can get something out of it for town. a full massclaim is more salvageable than a 3/4 massclaim.
Vote:Konei
The hell just happened.
The hell just happened.
Topic Starter
Konei has been prodded
haneii, I'm new to all this mafia business, so it should be natural that I will make some dumb mistakes. sorry :c
on the other hand, even if konei flips PR, the chance of scum skewing numbers should be pretty low. if konei flips no PR, the chance of skewed numbers is basically 0, since I don't think that scum would take such risks without having power roles to back them up, and also having to fight the high probability of getting caught by investigative roles (1/3 as opposed to 1/4 or 1/5).
assuming that town actually said the truth. which we can't be sure of.
on the other hand, even if konei flips PR, the chance of scum skewing numbers should be pretty low. if konei flips no PR, the chance of skewed numbers is basically 0, since I don't think that scum would take such risks without having power roles to back them up, and also having to fight the high probability of getting caught by investigative roles (1/3 as opposed to 1/4 or 1/5).
assuming that town actually said the truth. which we can't be sure of.
Wait, Masons don't count as a PR?
Learnt something new today.
Learnt something new today.
Topic Starter
They do, i'm just not counting them as the town starting PRs.Rantai wrote:
Wait, Masons don't count as a PR?
Learnt something new today.
They are, but in the case that we only have 3 people claiming PRs the Masons should claim (I'm assuming they'd be the 2 out of the 3 people who claimed PR). They should also let us know if they have another PR along with being Masons.Rantai wrote:
Wait, Masons don't count as a PR?
Learnt something new today.
Still waiting on Konei, though
Sakura wrote:
They do, i'm just not counting them as the town starting PRs.Rantai wrote:
Wait, Masons don't count as a PR?
Learnt something new today.
Elaborate more. So if scum picks no power, we only have 2 PR + 2 mason, assuming mason didnt get a PR? Mason so OP
Oh ok, I thought they were, got confused x.x
Topic Starter
Konei has requested replacement
Mod: Can we request an extension when replacement arrives?
Topic Starter
Yes, i was planning on extending it when replacement arrives anyway.NoHitter wrote:
Mod: Can we request an extension when replacement arrives?
It would help if he posted before replacement 
Topic Starter
Ok here's my decission, i'm going to extend the deadline right now by 24 hours, if before then a replacement is found then the deadline may be further extended by another 24-48 hours depending on how close it is to deadline to give the replacement some time to read over the thread, otherwise the day will end then. Countdowns and deadlines will be updated once i get home (at work atm)
he was too busy posting in unfunny troll map threads and congratulating mappers for their ranked maps. no way could he write a simple "I am a PR/not a PR" here in the thread.Raging Bull wrote:
It would help if he posted before replacement
well, without konei's claim, we actually can't do all too much I guess.
God, can we just lynch Konei so the game won't be extended?
er, no?
why would you want to end day 1 now? we have to wait for the replacement to claim at least before day 1 can find a satisfactory end.
why would you want to end day 1 now? we have to wait for the replacement to claim at least before day 1 can find a satisfactory end.
Because at the rate how mafia games are. It is rare to find a replacement.
We have still 4 days, RB, and the game has just begun, so it's not that hard to catch up what's happening, there's no point in ending the day in the actual situation, town will get greatly hurt if we finish the day like this . I was about to suggest a Konei policy lynch, but as he asked for replacement, I think we should wait a bit more, not mentioning that if he's a PR/Mason we're possibly done.
It's true we're stuck at this point, but I'm pretty sure we can still deal with this and think what can we do in case a replacement doesn't come.
It's true we're stuck at this point, but I'm pretty sure we can still deal with this and think what can we do in case a replacement doesn't come.
Well to keep the ball rolling and the fact I don't think this will actually affect me/replacement all that much;
Roleclaim: Mason
I'm going to confirm Konei as my other Mason here.
Roleclaim: Mason
I'm going to confirm Konei as my other Mason here.
Topic Starter
BRBP Replaces Konei, effective immediately.
BRBP, do you have another power role besides Mason?
Topic Starter
If the replacement requests it, deadline may be extended by up to 2 more days.
Please let me know if you see any mistakes.
Vote Count 1.05
BRBP (1) - Raging Bull
Not Voting (11) - fartownik, Irreversible, JInxyjem, NoHitter, Tanzklaue, Haneii, rEdo, BRBP, Rantai, DakeDekaane, Hika
With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.
BRBP (1) - Raging Bull
Not Voting (11) - fartownik, Irreversible, JInxyjem, NoHitter, Tanzklaue, Haneii, rEdo, BRBP, Rantai, DakeDekaane, Hika
With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Please let me know if you see any mistakes.
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Not PR
NoHitter
JInxyjem
Hika
DakeDekaane
Irreversible
Haneii
Tanzklaue
PR
Raging Bull
Rantai
fartownik
BRBP
All PRs should claim now. I suggest we do it in the order: fartownik -> Raging Bull -> Rantai or BRBP
The ones who claimed later on may have had time to think and "fake" their claim. Rantai and BRBP are Mason's though and are practically confirmed town.
NoHitter
JInxyjem
Hika
DakeDekaane
Irreversible
Haneii
Tanzklaue
PR
Raging Bull
Rantai
fartownik
BRBP
All PRs should claim now. I suggest we do it in the order: fartownik -> Raging Bull -> Rantai or BRBP
The ones who claimed later on may have had time to think and "fake" their claim. Rantai and BRBP are Mason's though and are practically confirmed town.
Taking time to read this all later because life.
I think I unvoted, I hope.
I think I unvoted, I hope.
Not PR
NoHitter
JInxyjem
Hika
DakeDekaane
Irreversible
Haneii
Tanzklaue
rEdo
PR
Raging Bull
Rantai
fartownik
BRBP
Forgot to add rEdo to list of non-PR
NoHitter
JInxyjem
Hika
DakeDekaane
Irreversible
Haneii
Tanzklaue
rEdo
PR
Raging Bull
Rantai
fartownik
BRBP
Forgot to add rEdo to list of non-PR
I guess scum chose 1 power ifi read right
2, if they didn't scew the numbers. which i highly doubt, because scewing numbers in that kind of situation isn't smart.Raging Bull wrote:
I guess scum chose 1 power ifi read right
that whole masons thing is just confusing as hell x.x
the question is: how useful would be a fullclaim from the PRs? the probability of a skewed massclaim is low, and I think we shouldn't draw bigger (or to word it better: specific) targets on our PRs. I don't think we need more information about what our PRs are. they will work more efficiently if they are not widely known.
the question is: how useful would be a fullclaim from the PRs? the probability of a skewed massclaim is low, and I think we shouldn't draw bigger (or to word it better: specific) targets on our PRs. I don't think we need more information about what our PRs are. they will work more efficiently if they are not widely known.
At this rate, either fart or I will die N1 anyways since I don't think mafia needs to kill masons.
say thanks to nohitter, according to whom you're totally expandable.
Em, I think you guys forgot something. Sakura stated before that there's 2 Masons + 2 Additional PRs for Town (if I understood that correctly). The masons don't count as the 2 Additional PRs. This means that Mafia didn't pick anything for themselves (?), because if they did we'd have 1, 2 or 3 more additional PRs, unless one of the Masons is also a PR.
Can anyone confirm this?
Can anyone confirm this?
at least BRBP said that he has an additional PR (I believe? sorry if I misread that).
masons can also have additional PRs. so if rantai has an additional PR, then scum chose 2 advantages. probably 2 PRs, since daychat with 2 people isn't too useful (I don't know since I have no experience :/), and recruiting the traitor isn't a good enough trade for an additional PR in my opinion (since a goon doesn't have that many perks more than a traitor anyway).
so I would assume that we have a set up of 1-2 PR mafias with one traitor amongst us.
masons can also have additional PRs. so if rantai has an additional PR, then scum chose 2 advantages. probably 2 PRs, since daychat with 2 people isn't too useful (I don't know since I have no experience :/), and recruiting the traitor isn't a good enough trade for an additional PR in my opinion (since a goon doesn't have that many perks more than a traitor anyway).
so I would assume that we have a set up of 1-2 PR mafias with one traitor amongst us.
Vote: NoHitter
I understood it more like BRBP confirmed being Mason, but I can be wrong.Tanzklaue wrote:
at least BRBP said that he has an additional PR (I believe? sorry if I misread that).
masons can also have additional PRs. so if rantai has an additional PR, then scum chose 2 advantages. probably 2 PRs, since daychat with 2 people isn't too useful (I don't know since I have no experience :/), and recruiting the traitor isn't a good enough trade for an additional PR in my opinion (since a goon doesn't have that many perks more than a traitor anyway).
so I would assume that we have a set up of 1-2 PR mafias with one traitor amongst us.
BRBP would you elaborate?
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.06
NoHitter (1) - Irreversible
Not Voting (11) - fartownik, JInxyjem, NoHitter, Tanzklaue, Haneii, rEdo, BRBP, Rantai, DakeDekaane, Hika
With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.
NoHitter (1) - Irreversible
Not Voting (11) - fartownik, JInxyjem, NoHitter, Tanzklaue, Haneii, rEdo, BRBP, Rantai, DakeDekaane, Hika
With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Please let me know if you see any mistakes.
He said he is also a PR
It seems Irre likes to grab attention too much, why did you vote NH?
Well, it seems we only have to wait for all of PRs claim, either we could have a scum in the claimed PRs or all scum hidden in the VT, if it's the last I have to agree a bit with Tanzklaue, tho they may have daychat as it'd be useful as they could discuss in our back right now, but given the situation it's more likely to they could have 2 PR and Traitor is more likely to be in the crowd, that'd be the most difficult to find as a Cop can't find it, unless scum make a bad move and end up killing it.
Well, it seems we only have to wait for all of PRs claim, either we could have a scum in the claimed PRs or all scum hidden in the VT, if it's the last I have to agree a bit with Tanzklaue, tho they may have daychat as it'd be useful as they could discuss in our back right now, but given the situation it's more likely to they could have 2 PR and Traitor is more likely to be in the crowd, that'd be the most difficult to find as a Cop can't find it, unless scum make a bad move and end up killing it.
Waiting for fart to claim first
Just to let you know, DakeDekaane, the mafia could have 2 PR, daychat, and the traitor. The traitor would always be there (ie:mafia doesn't have to choose/ask for one) unless the mafia chose to recruit him/her into a Goon:DakeDekaane wrote:
tho they may have daychat as it'd be useful as they could discuss in our back right now, but given the situation it's more likely to they could have 2 PR and Traitor is more likely to be in the crowd,
Sakura wrote:
This game will be using the "Stacking the Deck" setup, there will be 3 scum, one of them is a Traitor and they don't know who it is, yet, Mafia may choose up to 3 of the following powers that they want
Are we counting Rantai in PR list? Rantai do you have another role besides Mason?NoHitter wrote:
Not PR
NoHitter
JInxyjem
Hika
DakeDekaane
Irreversible
Haneii
Tanzklaue
rEdo
PR
Raging Bull
Rantai
fartownik
BRBP
If you're mafia and lie and then someone else claims to have the same role you're caught (or at least quite soon).Tanzklaue wrote:
how useful would be a fullclaim from the PRs?
Kay, so if BRBP is a PR too then it gives us 3 PR for town, which means Mafia took 1 option from the list (unless someone from Town lied for some reason). Time for my claim I guess.
Claim: Watcher
Claim: Watcher
claim vigilante
I am a Mason only. No extra roles.
I still counted myself as PR because of mason alone (hence why I got confused before).
I still counted myself as PR because of mason alone (hence why I got confused before).
If you guys want, I can just shoot no hitter instead. Perhaps lynch someone else.
I think its safe to say that Mafia is hiding amongst the non-PR claims.
It's only up to us to lynch them one by one.
Actually now that I think of it, BRBP, I don't think you have to claim PR anymore since Rantai confirmed you as Mason.
Vig and Watcher seems to fit well enough with the setup. BRBP is also confirmed town since Rantai and him are Masons.
That's 4 - 3 - 5 (confirmed town - scum - unconfirmed town).
Mason - Rantai
Mason + ??? - BRBP
Watcher - fartownik
Vigilante - Raging Bull
We should lynch one of the 8 unconfirmed now.
NoHitter
Jinxy
Hika
DakeDekaane
Irreversible
Haneii
Tanzklaue
rEdo
Next step is to give your reads on all of the above eight.
Tanz looks like a town read for me. The discussion regarding the entire massclaim strategy seems like a genuine town thing to do. Mafia would more likely keep silent.
Jinxy also looks town for giving what I think is townie advice re: the massclaim strategy.
Hika looks a bit suspicious to me. In the ISO, Hika states that "I still don't think it's okay for PR's to be revealing themselves.". But there was no mention of "I don't want PR's to reveal themselves" prior to that post. Parroting this early in the game?
rEdo also looks a bit suspicous due to the scumpainting in posts.
@Irreversible
Why did you vote me?
It's only up to us to lynch them one by one.
Actually now that I think of it, BRBP, I don't think you have to claim PR anymore since Rantai confirmed you as Mason.
Vig and Watcher seems to fit well enough with the setup. BRBP is also confirmed town since Rantai and him are Masons.
That's 4 - 3 - 5 (confirmed town - scum - unconfirmed town).
Mason - Rantai
Mason + ??? - BRBP
Watcher - fartownik
Vigilante - Raging Bull
We should lynch one of the 8 unconfirmed now.
NoHitter
Jinxy
Hika
DakeDekaane
Irreversible
Haneii
Tanzklaue
rEdo
Next step is to give your reads on all of the above eight.
Tanz looks like a town read for me. The discussion regarding the entire massclaim strategy seems like a genuine town thing to do. Mafia would more likely keep silent.
Jinxy also looks town for giving what I think is townie advice re: the massclaim strategy.
Hika looks a bit suspicious to me. In the ISO, Hika states that "I still don't think it's okay for PR's to be revealing themselves.". But there was no mention of "I don't want PR's to reveal themselves" prior to that post. Parroting this early in the game?
rEdo also looks a bit suspicous due to the scumpainting in posts.
rEdo wrote:
keep in mind that the scum themselves could be suggesting this in order to receive information, and that whole "let's claim who has them PRs" thing could be just a bait for us to bite. I wouldn't share such information with everybody else while we've got threats in.
The rest feel null to me at the moment.rEdo wrote:
not to mention that this whole claiming thing could be mafia's conspiration
@Irreversible
Why did you vote me?
Should I even shoot in the beginning? Assuming they have JOAT only, that means there are 2 scum + 1 traitor.
Wait, are you a dayvig or nightvig?
Hmm it's up to you. If we mislynch that will leave us with 4 - 3 - 4. (3 scum - 4 unconfirmed town). Those are great odds for a vig.Raging Bull wrote:
Should I even shoot in the beginning? Assuming they have JOAT only, that means there are 2 scum + 1 traitor.
BUT if you do hit a townie though, that will leave us at (3-3-3) which is the case where mafia have half the votes...
BUT if we lynch scum today, you should definitely shoot.
(Incidentally if you shoot someone and they DON'T get killed, you will essentially have confirmed a BP/JoAT.)
WAIT A MINUTE!
I just want to point out that Watcher doesn't necessarily fall under a "confirmed" PR role.
I misread what the post wrote: "Change a goon into a Ninja (If they submit the kill, they cannot be tracked)"
Mod: By "tracked" do you mean "watched"? i.e. Seen by a Watcher?
I just want to point out that Watcher doesn't necessarily fall under a "confirmed" PR role.
I misread what the post wrote: "Change a goon into a Ninja (If they submit the kill, they cannot be tracked)"
Mod: By "tracked" do you mean "watched"? i.e. Seen by a Watcher?
nightvig.
What I meant was if I should shoot N1.
I don't think traitor would have been recruited judging by our PR roles.
What I meant was if I should shoot N1.
I don't think traitor would have been recruited judging by our PR roles.
Although I suppose since there is watcher/tracker, it doesn't really mean that mafia has JOAT....So I don't know
Topic Starter
Both, when Ninja submits kill it's like they targeted no one, so watcher wont see anyone targetting their target, or tracker wont see the ninja targetting anyone.NoHitter wrote:
Mod: By "tracked" do you mean "watched"? i.e. Seen by a Watcher?
My reads:
Irreversible: Totally null. Especially that random vote on NoHitter, he also used to post more in the previous games.
JInxyjem: Leaning Town, still - not as active as he should be. Supported NH's idea, yet went silent after that.
NoHitter: I'd say Town, but can't be confirmed yet. Done a lot for Town (not yet the results, but at least tried so far), basically the most active player in the game at the moment.
Tanzklaue: Probably Town (a newbie one). He seems pretty honest, and that's what most of the first-time Vanilla players do.
Hika: Null, null, null. Nothing but casual posts regarding unimportant things.
DakeDekaane: Null leaning Town. His motivations seem like Town-caring, yet he hasn't really done any scumhunting whatsoever (besides pushing Irre, but for obvious reasons).
Raging Bull: Probably Town. He seems pretty calm with his posts, nothing nonchalant. I'm also in for believing in his claim.
Haneii: Null leaning Town.
rEdo: Absolutely Null, done "something" by being skeptical about NH's tactic, but that's just not enough for anything.
BRBP: Town.
Rantai: Town.
A lot of nulls, some Towns and none scum. I'd dig in for the ones marked as Null.
Irreversible: Totally null. Especially that random vote on NoHitter, he also used to post more in the previous games.
JInxyjem: Leaning Town, still - not as active as he should be. Supported NH's idea, yet went silent after that.
NoHitter: I'd say Town, but can't be confirmed yet. Done a lot for Town (not yet the results, but at least tried so far), basically the most active player in the game at the moment.
Tanzklaue: Probably Town (a newbie one). He seems pretty honest, and that's what most of the first-time Vanilla players do.
Hika: Null, null, null. Nothing but casual posts regarding unimportant things.
DakeDekaane: Null leaning Town. His motivations seem like Town-caring, yet he hasn't really done any scumhunting whatsoever (besides pushing Irre, but for obvious reasons).
Raging Bull: Probably Town. He seems pretty calm with his posts, nothing nonchalant. I'm also in for believing in his claim.
Haneii: Null leaning Town.
rEdo: Absolutely Null, done "something" by being skeptical about NH's tactic, but that's just not enough for anything.
BRBP: Town.
Rantai: Town.
A lot of nulls, some Towns and none scum. I'd dig in for the ones marked as Null.
We have 3 claimed PRs, which means that mafia has at least 1 PR, that I'm almost sure is hidden, implying all town cooperated with this.
I think the Ninja/bulletproof is the most likely they'd have, given our PR (Watcher/Vig). Also it's good that BRBP hasn't claimed, he shouldn't do it.
But well, that's only what I have in my mind, it's a bit hard for me to get solid thoughts in D1.
If we were to pick a lynch from non-PR, I'd go with any of the inactive/lurkers to look for their reactions, also:
@BRBP: can we know the reasons of your vote on NH?
I think the Ninja/bulletproof is the most likely they'd have, given our PR (Watcher/Vig). Also it's good that BRBP hasn't claimed, he shouldn't do it.
But well, that's only what I have in my mind, it's a bit hard for me to get solid thoughts in D1.
If we were to pick a lynch from non-PR, I'd go with any of the inactive/lurkers to look for their reactions, also:
@BRBP: can we know the reasons of your vote on NH?
you didn't even ask me for reasons, yaaaaayfartownik wrote:
My reads:
Irreversible: Totally null. Especially that random vote on NoHitter, he also used to post more in the previous games.
maybe it wasn't a good idea to sign up for this mafia, since i have absolutely no time lol but think whatever you want :3
i was sitting in school, and I was boredNoHitter wrote:
@Irreversible
Why did you vote me?
and i just saw this question now, so nvm to this above
oh and @fart: stop making these non-sense conclusions again, only because i posted more in the previous games. what should I say about you? the first mafia game: you were pretty quiet
second mafia: that offensive, i have to say. but nvm to that, so stop comparing to other games, thanks
triple post, next time i think more before posting :X
second mafia: that offensive, i have to say. but nvm to that, so stop comparing to other games, thanks
triple post, next time i think more before posting :X
@Irreversible, comparing to other games is a legit way to judge the change of behavior between games (it's called 'meta'). Some may act differently as scum and as town because of the circumstances. This was not a "non-sense" conclusion, it was just a conclusion.
hm okay then, i wanted to avoid to get conclusions with other games, i thought 1 game is something totally different, i was wrong then
Ask NH.DakeDekaane wrote:
@BRBP: can we know the reasons of your vote on NH?
No idea why he's voting for me.BRBP wrote:
Ask NH.DakeDekaane wrote:
@BRBP: can we know the reasons of your vote on NH?
Also from my previous posts:
Vote: rEdo
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.07
NoHitter (2) - Irreversible, BRBP
rEdo (1) - NoHitter
Not Voting (9) - fartownik, Jinxy, anzklaue, Haneii, rEdo, Rantai, DakeDekaane, Hika
With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.
NoHitter (2) - Irreversible, BRBP
rEdo (1) - NoHitter
Not Voting (9) - fartownik, Jinxy, anzklaue, Haneii, rEdo, Rantai, DakeDekaane, Hika
With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Please let me know if you see any mistakes.
Oh well... looking at this right now is actually weird. He proposed this and also claimed right in the same post.BRBP wrote:
@NH Just wondering since you asked Irre why he voted for you, but didn't ask me.
@Dake I voted because I don't like the "two style" nor that he basically stated "We're playing like this whether you like it or not. *Okay I go first, not a pr*" immediately after the game started.
etc.
I still wouldn't go for him though, at least not yet. It might've been just a slip, or maybe he was too sure his tactic will end up successful.
Reads from others would be appreciated here.
i didn't read properly again :c if i have time i give you my reads o3o
maybe some questions
brbp: why did you think nohitter knows why you voted him?
nohitter: are you worried about the 2 votes you have right now?
dake: instead of telling us smth about you you always ask 'why did you vote him, why did you vote that'.. are you worried about nohitter's live? :c
fartownik: ARE YOU SCUM OR NOT WE WANT TO KNOW
brbp
maybe some questions
brbp: why did you think nohitter knows why you voted him?
nohitter: are you worried about the 2 votes you have right now?
dake: instead of telling us smth about you you always ask 'why did you vote him, why did you vote that'.. are you worried about nohitter's live? :c
fartownik: ARE YOU SCUM OR NOT WE WANT TO KNOW
brbp
ignore this random brbp at the end, thanks
I'm gonna go on a whim and say Irre is town. He always tries to hard to question which gets him lynched inadvertently. Plus I think he would have learned it by now and if he does it as mafia, he knows he would die .
that's what i'm here for <3BRBP wrote:
I cry every time you post.
Don't get lynched again.
I bet if Irre was Jester, he'd survive until the end.
And fartownik, my reads:
Town
Rantai (Mason), BRBP (Mason + PR), RB (PR), fartownik (PR).
Masons are confirmed, given we have 3 PR known, that's our 2 default PR + 1 given by whatever scum picked in N0, I really doubt they'd go with no PR, so I want to trust everyone here.
Likely town
Haneii, Tanzklaue. Constantly posting and giving their opinions.
Leaning town
NH, Irreversible.
NH put in the table a massclaim for easier finding scum, but I can't deny this may be scum manipulation, but we can lynch scum by PoE thanks to this, and Irre, well, he's always like this and ends up being town when lynched, so I think he's town this time again.
Null
rEdo, Jinxy, Hika, rarely posts and I get nothing from their ISO, tho Jinxy may be leaning town.
I'd want to read something from rEdo now :I
I've said a few things, as I said before, it's a bit hard for me to get something solid in D1 most of the time, and maybe by asking the why of the votes I think we can read better each one of us. I can understand why someone would vote NH, but I prefer reading it from their words.Irreversible wrote:
dake: instead of telling us smth about you you always ask 'why did you vote him, why did you vote that'.. are you worried about nohitter's live? :c
And fartownik, my reads:
Town
Rantai (Mason), BRBP (Mason + PR), RB (PR), fartownik (PR).
Masons are confirmed, given we have 3 PR known, that's our 2 default PR + 1 given by whatever scum picked in N0, I really doubt they'd go with no PR, so I want to trust everyone here.
Likely town
Haneii, Tanzklaue. Constantly posting and giving their opinions.
Leaning town
NH, Irreversible.
NH put in the table a massclaim for easier finding scum, but I can't deny this may be scum manipulation, but we can lynch scum by PoE thanks to this, and Irre, well, he's always like this and ends up being town when lynched, so I think he's town this time again.
Null
rEdo, Jinxy, Hika, rarely posts and I get nothing from their ISO, tho Jinxy may be leaning town.
I'd want to read something from rEdo now :I
No one is giving off any actual scum reads for me, but I'll post who I feel suspicious of.
I felt Haneii was doing a little flip-flopping. She first agrees with Tanz that the massclaim idea would benefit scum more, then switches over to the other side, supporting the massclaim. Might also be seen as she understood every thing NH replied to, but it still feels a little sudden since she didn't give an exact "ok, I agree with you now", but a "thanks for answering my questions", which is too neutral to justify her switch.
Hika... hasn't been posting anything helpful, in contrast to her DOTA ISO. In fact, I would say her D1 posts in High School Mafia are quite similar to her current posts, but that miiight be over reliance on meta, not really sure myself.
Town reads are NH and Tanz. NH for starting the massclaim and giving a plan to lynch scum, and Tanz for debating about it, which is a valid concern since this does look like it gives scum a lot of information at first. I was personally unsure of the massclaim at first too, but then I ran the numbers and saw the town gains.
Null reads are Dake, Irre and rEdo.
I would like to also use this time to request a Prod: rEdo
I felt Haneii was doing a little flip-flopping. She first agrees with Tanz that the massclaim idea would benefit scum more, then switches over to the other side, supporting the massclaim. Might also be seen as she understood every thing NH replied to, but it still feels a little sudden since she didn't give an exact "ok, I agree with you now", but a "thanks for answering my questions", which is too neutral to justify her switch.
Hika... hasn't been posting anything helpful, in contrast to her DOTA ISO. In fact, I would say her D1 posts in High School Mafia are quite similar to her current posts, but that miiight be over reliance on meta, not really sure myself.
Town reads are NH and Tanz. NH for starting the massclaim and giving a plan to lynch scum, and Tanz for debating about it, which is a valid concern since this does look like it gives scum a lot of information at first. I was personally unsure of the massclaim at first too, but then I ran the numbers and saw the town gains.
Null reads are Dake, Irre and rEdo.
I would like to also use this time to request a Prod: rEdo
We only have a day left?
Vote Hika
You're acting apathetic. When you post you rarely, if ever, have anything to contribute or at least something to give me an idea about what you're thinking/your opinion. It's anti-town and could hurt us even more if you're left to continue like this.
Redo, you're just a step below Hika on my list, but you did elaborate on your thoughts on the mass claim and you actually haven't been active on forums (compared to Hika who has been posting frequently all week). For that you get some points.
@Jinxy: I see where you're coming from. Well I wanted him to answer all those questions to hopefully get a better read on him. In the end I was more interested in why he suggested the plan and how quickly and thorough he could explain it than the actual content, which is why I prob came off as neutral then.
Besides the masons and two I listed above, everyone is null
Vote Hika
You're acting apathetic. When you post you rarely, if ever, have anything to contribute or at least something to give me an idea about what you're thinking/your opinion. It's anti-town and could hurt us even more if you're left to continue like this.
Redo, you're just a step below Hika on my list, but you did elaborate on your thoughts on the mass claim and you actually haven't been active on forums (compared to Hika who has been posting frequently all week). For that you get some points.
@Jinxy: I see where you're coming from. Well I wanted him to answer all those questions to hopefully get a better read on him. In the end I was more interested in why he suggested the plan and how quickly and thorough he could explain it than the actual content, which is why I prob came off as neutral then.
Besides the masons and two I listed above, everyone is null
After re-reading my post I can see how that my vote could be misinterpreted. To clarify I'm not trying to punish a bad townie. I do think she's mafia and because we have such little reads on others atm I worry mafia might bus her and add to the uncertainty.
I hope I'm making sense, it's 5am and I just got up and still tired. I thought I should post before leaving to work though.
I hope I'm making sense, it's 5am and I just got up and still tired. I thought I should post before leaving to work though.
Kinda suspicious of you Haneii. Seems like the second post is more a way to reassure us that your vote is to look town like instead.
Everyone fine if I shoot rEdo? If he flips scum, it's possible Haneii can be scum too. Seems like she defended him a bit.
Everyone fine if I shoot rEdo? If he flips scum, it's possible Haneii can be scum too. Seems like she defended him a bit.
Haneii wrote:
We only have a day left?
Vote Hika
You're acting apathetic. When you post you rarely, if ever, have anything to contribute or at least something to give me an idea about what you're thinking/your opinion. It's anti-town and could hurt us even more if you're left to continue like this.
Oh believe me, I'm not being anti-town, I'm just busy not being here actively.
I called in for a replacement so I won't be joining any mafia games until late August or September. GL town
Didn't notice that you did until Dake pointed it out.BRBP wrote:
@NH Just wondering since you asked Irre why he voted for you, but didn't ask me.
Because that's what Two always does xDBRBP wrote:
@Dake I voted because I don't like the "two style" nor that he basically stated "We're playing like this whether you like it or not. *Okay I go first, not a pr*" immediately after the game started.
(On a more serious note, let me just parrot what fartownik said:)
Though I'm curious farto, how was that a "slip"?fartownik wrote:
I still wouldn't go for him though, at least not yet. It might've been just a slip, or maybe he was too sure his tactic will end up successful.
[quote"Irreversible"]nohitter: are you worried about the 2 votes you have right now?[/quote]
Yes. That's why I asked why I was voted.
I'm fine with that, but you should consider changing your target depending on the flip today.Raging Bull wrote:
Everyone fine if I shoot rEdo? If he flips scum, it's possible Haneii can be scum too. Seems like she defended him a bit.
Unvote
Vote: Hika for earlier reasons.
As for Haneii's flip-flopping, now that you guys mention it, it does seem a bit suspicious. I'm sticking to my earlier reads for now though.
EBWOP:
Ninja'd by Hika.
My vote still stays on her though.
Ninja'd by Hika.
My vote still stays on her though.
Depending if I can actually post when we hammer. (dusk?) like after someone gets hammered, we are allowed to post sicne it's not night.
I don't want to change targets because I want to make sure if I die the next night, you guys will know my target. If my target is alive, he's probably bulletproof/mafia
I don't want to change targets because I want to make sure if I die the next night, you guys will know my target. If my target is alive, he's probably bulletproof/mafia