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Stacking the Deck - (Game Over - Town Win)

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Tanzklaue
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that whole masons thing is just confusing as hell x.x

the question is: how useful would be a fullclaim from the PRs? the probability of a skewed massclaim is low, and I think we shouldn't draw bigger (or to word it better: specific) targets on our PRs. I don't think we need more information about what our PRs are. they will work more efficiently if they are not widely known.
Raging Bull
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At this rate, either fart or I will die N1 anyways since I don't think mafia needs to kill masons.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
say thanks to nohitter, according to whom you're totally expandable.
fartownik
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Em, I think you guys forgot something. Sakura stated before that there's 2 Masons + 2 Additional PRs for Town (if I understood that correctly). The masons don't count as the 2 Additional PRs. This means that Mafia didn't pick anything for themselves (?), because if they did we'd have 1, 2 or 3 more additional PRs, unless one of the Masons is also a PR.

Can anyone confirm this?
Tanzklaue
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at least BRBP said that he has an additional PR (I believe? sorry if I misread that).

masons can also have additional PRs. so if rantai has an additional PR, then scum chose 2 advantages. probably 2 PRs, since daychat with 2 people isn't too useful (I don't know since I have no experience :/), and recruiting the traitor isn't a good enough trade for an additional PR in my opinion (since a goon doesn't have that many perks more than a traitor anyway).

so I would assume that we have a set up of 1-2 PR mafias with one traitor amongst us.
Irreversible
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Vote: NoHitter
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Tanzklaue wrote:

at least BRBP said that he has an additional PR (I believe? sorry if I misread that).

masons can also have additional PRs. so if rantai has an additional PR, then scum chose 2 advantages. probably 2 PRs, since daychat with 2 people isn't too useful (I don't know since I have no experience :/), and recruiting the traitor isn't a good enough trade for an additional PR in my opinion (since a goon doesn't have that many perks more than a traitor anyway).

so I would assume that we have a set up of 1-2 PR mafias with one traitor amongst us.
I understood it more like BRBP confirmed being Mason, but I can be wrong.

BRBP would you elaborate?
Sakura
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Vote Count 1.06

NoHitter (1) - Irreversible

Not Voting (11) - fartownik, JInxyjem, NoHitter, Tanzklaue, Haneii, rEdo, BRBP, Rantai, DakeDekaane, Hika

With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Please let me know if you see any mistakes.
Raging Bull
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He said he is also a PR
VoidnOwO
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:)
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DakeDekaane
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It seems Irre likes to grab attention too much, why did you vote NH?

Well, it seems we only have to wait for all of PRs claim, either we could have a scum in the claimed PRs or all scum hidden in the VT, if it's the last I have to agree a bit with Tanzklaue, tho they may have daychat as it'd be useful as they could discuss in our back right now, but given the situation it's more likely to they could have 2 PR and Traitor is more likely to be in the crowd, that'd be the most difficult to find as a Cop can't find it, unless scum make a bad move and end up killing it.
Raging Bull
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Waiting for fart to claim first :(
Haneii
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DakeDekaane wrote:

tho they may have daychat as it'd be useful as they could discuss in our back right now, but given the situation it's more likely to they could have 2 PR and Traitor is more likely to be in the crowd,
Just to let you know, DakeDekaane, the mafia could have 2 PR, daychat, and the traitor. The traitor would always be there (ie:mafia doesn't have to choose/ask for one) unless the mafia chose to recruit him/her into a Goon:

Sakura wrote:

This game will be using the "Stacking the Deck" setup, there will be 3 scum, one of them is a Traitor and they don't know who it is, yet, Mafia may choose up to 3 of the following powers that they want

NoHitter wrote:

Not PR
NoHitter
JInxyjem
Hika
DakeDekaane
Irreversible
Haneii
Tanzklaue
rEdo

PR
Raging Bull
Rantai
fartownik
BRBP
Are we counting Rantai in PR list? Rantai do you have another role besides Mason?

Tanzklaue wrote:

how useful would be a fullclaim from the PRs?
If you're mafia and lie and then someone else claims to have the same role you're caught (or at least quite soon).
fartownik
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Kay, so if BRBP is a PR too then it gives us 3 PR for town, which means Mafia took 1 option from the list (unless someone from Town lied for some reason). Time for my claim I guess.

Claim: Watcher
Raging Bull
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claim vigilante
Rantai
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I am a Mason only. No extra roles.

I still counted myself as PR because of mason alone (hence why I got confused before).
VoidnOwO
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:)
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Raging Bull
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If you guys want, I can just shoot no hitter instead. Perhaps lynch someone else.
NoHitter
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I think its safe to say that Mafia is hiding amongst the non-PR claims.
It's only up to us to lynch them one by one.

Actually now that I think of it, BRBP, I don't think you have to claim PR anymore since Rantai confirmed you as Mason.

Vig and Watcher seems to fit well enough with the setup. BRBP is also confirmed town since Rantai and him are Masons.

That's 4 - 3 - 5 (confirmed town - scum - unconfirmed town).
Mason - Rantai
Mason + ??? - BRBP
Watcher - fartownik
Vigilante - Raging Bull

We should lynch one of the 8 unconfirmed now.
NoHitter
Jinxy
Hika
DakeDekaane
Irreversible
Haneii
Tanzklaue
rEdo

Next step is to give your reads on all of the above eight.

Tanz looks like a town read for me. The discussion regarding the entire massclaim strategy seems like a genuine town thing to do. Mafia would more likely keep silent.

Jinxy also looks town for giving what I think is townie advice re: the massclaim strategy.

Hika looks a bit suspicious to me. In the ISO, Hika states that "I still don't think it's okay for PR's to be revealing themselves.". But there was no mention of "I don't want PR's to reveal themselves" prior to that post. Parroting this early in the game?

rEdo also looks a bit suspicous due to the scumpainting in posts.

rEdo wrote:

keep in mind that the scum themselves could be suggesting this in order to receive information, and that whole "let's claim who has them PRs" thing could be just a bait for us to bite. I wouldn't share such information with everybody else while we've got threats in.

rEdo wrote:

not to mention that this whole claiming thing could be mafia's conspiration
The rest feel null to me at the moment.

@Irreversible
Why did you vote me?
Raging Bull
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Should I even shoot in the beginning? Assuming they have JOAT only, that means there are 2 scum + 1 traitor.
Jinxy
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Wait, are you a dayvig or nightvig?
NoHitter
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Raging Bull wrote:

Should I even shoot in the beginning? Assuming they have JOAT only, that means there are 2 scum + 1 traitor.
Hmm it's up to you. If we mislynch that will leave us with 4 - 3 - 4. (3 scum - 4 unconfirmed town). Those are great odds for a vig.
BUT if you do hit a townie though, that will leave us at (3-3-3) which is the case where mafia have half the votes...

BUT if we lynch scum today, you should definitely shoot.
(Incidentally if you shoot someone and they DON'T get killed, you will essentially have confirmed a BP/JoAT.)
NoHitter
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WAIT A MINUTE!

I just want to point out that Watcher doesn't necessarily fall under a "confirmed" PR role.
I misread what the post wrote: "Change a goon into a Ninja (If they submit the kill, they cannot be tracked)"

Mod: By "tracked" do you mean "watched"? i.e. Seen by a Watcher?
Raging Bull
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nightvig.

What I meant was if I should shoot N1.

I don't think traitor would have been recruited judging by our PR roles.
Raging Bull
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Although I suppose since there is watcher/tracker, it doesn't really mean that mafia has JOAT....So I don't know :(
Sakura
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NoHitter wrote:

Mod: By "tracked" do you mean "watched"? i.e. Seen by a Watcher?
Both, when Ninja submits kill it's like they targeted no one, so watcher wont see anyone targetting their target, or tracker wont see the ninja targetting anyone.
fartownik
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My reads:

Irreversible: Totally null. Especially that random vote on NoHitter, he also used to post more in the previous games.
JInxyjem: Leaning Town, still - not as active as he should be. Supported NH's idea, yet went silent after that.
NoHitter: I'd say Town, but can't be confirmed yet. Done a lot for Town (not yet the results, but at least tried so far), basically the most active player in the game at the moment.
Tanzklaue: Probably Town (a newbie one). He seems pretty honest, and that's what most of the first-time Vanilla players do.
Hika: Null, null, null. Nothing but casual posts regarding unimportant things.
DakeDekaane: Null leaning Town. His motivations seem like Town-caring, yet he hasn't really done any scumhunting whatsoever (besides pushing Irre, but for obvious reasons).
Raging Bull: Probably Town. He seems pretty calm with his posts, nothing nonchalant. I'm also in for believing in his claim.
Haneii: Null leaning Town.
rEdo: Absolutely Null, done "something" by being skeptical about NH's tactic, but that's just not enough for anything.
BRBP: Town.
Rantai: Town.

A lot of nulls, some Towns and none scum. I'd dig in for the ones marked as Null.
DakeDekaane
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We have 3 claimed PRs, which means that mafia has at least 1 PR, that I'm almost sure is hidden, implying all town cooperated with this.

I think the Ninja/bulletproof is the most likely they'd have, given our PR (Watcher/Vig). Also it's good that BRBP hasn't claimed, he shouldn't do it.

But well, that's only what I have in my mind, it's a bit hard for me to get solid thoughts in D1.

If we were to pick a lynch from non-PR, I'd go with any of the inactive/lurkers to look for their reactions, also:
@BRBP: can we know the reasons of your vote on NH?
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fartownik wrote:

My reads:

Irreversible: Totally null. Especially that random vote on NoHitter, he also used to post more in the previous games.
you didn't even ask me for reasons, yaaaaay :D

maybe it wasn't a good idea to sign up for this mafia, since i have absolutely no time lol but think whatever you want :3
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NoHitter wrote:

@Irreversible
Why did you vote me?
i was sitting in school, and I was bored

and i just saw this question now, so nvm to this above
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oh and @fart: stop making these non-sense conclusions again, only because i posted more in the previous games. what should I say about you? the first mafia game: you were pretty quiet
second mafia: that offensive, i have to say. but nvm to that, so stop comparing to other games, thanks

triple post, next time i think more before posting :X
fartownik
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@Irreversible, comparing to other games is a legit way to judge the change of behavior between games (it's called 'meta'). Some may act differently as scum and as town because of the circumstances. This was not a "non-sense" conclusion, it was just a conclusion.
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hm okay then, i wanted to avoid to get conclusions with other games, i thought 1 game is something totally different, i was wrong then
VoidnOwO
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DakeDekaane wrote:

@BRBP: can we know the reasons of your vote on NH?
Ask NH.
NoHitter
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BRBP wrote:

DakeDekaane wrote:

@BRBP: can we know the reasons of your vote on NH?
Ask NH.
No idea why he's voting for me.

Also from my previous posts:
Vote: rEdo
Sakura
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Vote Count 1.07

NoHitter (2) - Irreversible, BRBP
rEdo (1) - NoHitter

Not Voting (9) - fartownik, Jinxy, anzklaue, Haneii, rEdo, Rantai, DakeDekaane, Hika

With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Please let me know if you see any mistakes.
VoidnOwO
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:)
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fartownik
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BRBP wrote:

@NH Just wondering since you asked Irre why he voted for you, but didn't ask me.

@Dake I voted because I don't like the "two style" nor that he basically stated "We're playing like this whether you like it or not. *Okay I go first, not a pr*" immediately after the game started.

etc.
Oh well... looking at this right now is actually weird. He proposed this and also claimed right in the same post.

I still wouldn't go for him though, at least not yet. It might've been just a slip, or maybe he was too sure his tactic will end up successful.

Reads from others would be appreciated here.
Irreversible
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i didn't read properly again :c if i have time i give you my reads o3o

maybe some questions

brbp: why did you think nohitter knows why you voted him?
nohitter: are you worried about the 2 votes you have right now?
dake: instead of telling us smth about you you always ask 'why did you vote him, why did you vote that'.. are you worried about nohitter's live? :c
fartownik: ARE YOU SCUM OR NOT WE WANT TO KNOW
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ignore this random brbp at the end, thanks
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:)
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Raging Bull
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I'm gonna go on a whim and say Irre is town. He always tries to hard to question which gets him lynched inadvertently. Plus I think he would have learned it by now and if he does it as mafia, he knows he would die .
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BRBP wrote:

I cry every time you post.
that's what i'm here for <3
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Don't get lynched again.
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I bet if Irre was Jester, he'd survive until the end.

Irreversible wrote:

dake: instead of telling us smth about you you always ask 'why did you vote him, why did you vote that'.. are you worried about nohitter's live? :c
I've said a few things, as I said before, it's a bit hard for me to get something solid in D1 most of the time, and maybe by asking the why of the votes I think we can read better each one of us. I can understand why someone would vote NH, but I prefer reading it from their words.

And fartownik, my reads:
Town
Rantai (Mason), BRBP (Mason + PR), RB (PR), fartownik (PR).
Masons are confirmed, given we have 3 PR known, that's our 2 default PR + 1 given by whatever scum picked in N0, I really doubt they'd go with no PR, so I want to trust everyone here.

Likely town
Haneii, Tanzklaue. Constantly posting and giving their opinions.

Leaning town
NH, Irreversible.
NH put in the table a massclaim for easier finding scum, but I can't deny this may be scum manipulation, but we can lynch scum by PoE thanks to this, and Irre, well, he's always like this and ends up being town when lynched, so I think he's town this time again.

Null
rEdo, Jinxy, Hika, rarely posts and I get nothing from their ISO, tho Jinxy may be leaning town.

I'd want to read something from rEdo now :I
Jinxy
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No one is giving off any actual scum reads for me, but I'll post who I feel suspicious of.

I felt Haneii was doing a little flip-flopping. She first agrees with Tanz that the massclaim idea would benefit scum more, then switches over to the other side, supporting the massclaim. Might also be seen as she understood every thing NH replied to, but it still feels a little sudden since she didn't give an exact "ok, I agree with you now", but a "thanks for answering my questions", which is too neutral to justify her switch.

Hika... hasn't been posting anything helpful, in contrast to her DOTA ISO. In fact, I would say her D1 posts in High School Mafia are quite similar to her current posts, but that miiight be over reliance on meta, not really sure myself.

Town reads are NH and Tanz. NH for starting the massclaim and giving a plan to lynch scum, and Tanz for debating about it, which is a valid concern since this does look like it gives scum a lot of information at first. I was personally unsure of the massclaim at first too, but then I ran the numbers and saw the town gains.

Null reads are Dake, Irre and rEdo.

I would like to also use this time to request a Prod: rEdo
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We only have a day left?

Vote Hika

You're acting apathetic. When you post you rarely, if ever, have anything to contribute or at least something to give me an idea about what you're thinking/your opinion. It's anti-town and could hurt us even more if you're left to continue like this.

Redo, you're just a step below Hika on my list, but you did elaborate on your thoughts on the mass claim and you actually haven't been active on forums (compared to Hika who has been posting frequently all week). For that you get some points.


@Jinxy: I see where you're coming from. Well I wanted him to answer all those questions to hopefully get a better read on him. In the end I was more interested in why he suggested the plan and how quickly and thorough he could explain it than the actual content, which is why I prob came off as neutral then.

Besides the masons and two I listed above, everyone is null
Haneii
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After re-reading my post I can see how that my vote could be misinterpreted. To clarify I'm not trying to punish a bad townie. I do think she's mafia and because we have such little reads on others atm I worry mafia might bus her and add to the uncertainty.

I hope I'm making sense, it's 5am and I just got up and still tired. I thought I should post before leaving to work though.
Raging Bull
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Kinda suspicious of you Haneii. Seems like the second post is more a way to reassure us that your vote is to look town like instead.


Everyone fine if I shoot rEdo? If he flips scum, it's possible Haneii can be scum too. Seems like she defended him a bit.
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Haneii wrote:

We only have a day left?

Vote Hika

You're acting apathetic. When you post you rarely, if ever, have anything to contribute or at least something to give me an idea about what you're thinking/your opinion. It's anti-town and could hurt us even more if you're left to continue like this.

Oh believe me, I'm not being anti-town, I'm just busy not being here actively.
I called in for a replacement so I won't be joining any mafia games until late August or September. GL town :P
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BRBP wrote:

@NH Just wondering since you asked Irre why he voted for you, but didn't ask me.
Didn't notice that you did until Dake pointed it out.

BRBP wrote:

@Dake I voted because I don't like the "two style" nor that he basically stated "We're playing like this whether you like it or not. *Okay I go first, not a pr*" immediately after the game started.
Because that's what Two always does xD
(On a more serious note, let me just parrot what fartownik said:)

fartownik wrote:

I still wouldn't go for him though, at least not yet. It might've been just a slip, or maybe he was too sure his tactic will end up successful.
Though I'm curious farto, how was that a "slip"?

[quote"Irreversible"]nohitter: are you worried about the 2 votes you have right now?[/quote]
Yes. That's why I asked why I was voted.

Raging Bull wrote:

Everyone fine if I shoot rEdo? If he flips scum, it's possible Haneii can be scum too. Seems like she defended him a bit.
I'm fine with that, but you should consider changing your target depending on the flip today.

Unvote
Vote: Hika for earlier reasons.

As for Haneii's flip-flopping, now that you guys mention it, it does seem a bit suspicious. I'm sticking to my earlier reads for now though.
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EBWOP:
Ninja'd by Hika.

My vote still stays on her though.
Raging Bull
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Depending if I can actually post when we hammer. (dusk?) like after someone gets hammered, we are allowed to post sicne it's not night.

I don't want to change targets because I want to make sure if I die the next night, you guys will know my target. If my target is alive, he's probably bulletproof/mafia
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hm, I will throw in my reads:

fartownik and Raging Bull: most likely town, as I don't think that the numbers are skewed by scum.
BRBP and Rantai: Town, because masons.
Haneii: null, she first supported me in my argumentation against the massclaim, only to just stop suddenly.
Jinxy: null, with light suspicions, the imediate support of the massclaim hit me the wrong way, but aside from that there is not much more to read into.
DakeDekaane: null leaning town, he asked some questions, and is active.
Irreversible: null leaning town, kind of inactive at first, and aggressively responded to fart, but I don't really get scummy vibes from him.
rEdo: null, he doesn't post much, opposed the massclaim, didn't do much else.
Hika: null, called for replacement, knew she was busy beforehand, why would you even join a mafiagame if you know that you are busy? x.x
NoHitter: scummy, since I really think that the massclaim, and more importantly its execution, are antitown.

so, yea, most are null reads for me, simply because not enough stuff happened yet.

Vote: NoHitter
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NoHitter wrote:

fartownik wrote:

I still wouldn't go for him though, at least not yet. It might've been just a slip, or maybe he was too sure his tactic will end up successful.
Though I'm curious farto, how was that a "slip"?
I didn't mean 'scumslip' by this, I meant a mistake made not on purpose. Something that you might've forgotten about others and just gone right away with your plan.

Vote: Hika

I'm giving myself a greenlight for Hika right now. I find a lot of truth in Jinxy's arguments, that's how she used to play as mafia. She should've probably changed her playstyle already after that, but she might have not done that as well thus my vote. She asked for a replacement too, but we might not be able find one for her place so I guess this will be the safest end (not mentioning that she doesn't contribute at all).
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Vote Count 1.08

NoHitter (3) - Irreversible, BRBP, Tanzklaue
Hika (3) - Haneii, NoHitter, fartownik

Not Voting (6) - Jinxy, rEdo, Rantai, DakeDekaane, Hika, Raging Bull

With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Moderator's Notes
Looking for a replacement for Hika
rEdo has been prodded

Please let me know if you see any mistakes
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Rantai has been prodded
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sorry for my inactivity, wasn't really able and had no spare time to read the topic due to some stuff that recently happened.
Mod: Unprod me, please.

I don't want to make any conclusions right off the bat, since this is my first mafia game (and that's why I don't feel confident enough to post here haha), but hey, that's what this game is about. The thing is that NoHitter seems to write quite much. A lot, actually. He tries to come up with a lot of ideas, that he could seem as the one that's searching for the scum the most, and that's a common trick used by mafia itself; to integrate with the city in order to get their acceptation and trust. However, that massclaim thing indeed seems so scummy that I couldn't resist thinking of him as the guy who's in the mafia.

Vote: NoHitter
Irreversible
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what is prod?? xD
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rEdo wrote:

Mod: Unprod me, please.
You don't need to ask for "unprod" as soon as you post you're fine.

Irreversible wrote:

what is prod?? xD
prod is like a poke to the person to remind them of the game, when you don't respond to your prod within X hours (varies with different games and mods) you're in danger of getting replaced or modkilled. Check the rules regarding activity for further info.
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i feel so stupid all the time i ask things like that XD
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Irreversible
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Irreversible
this was useless as well, k
why don't you deactivate it?
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
Take a guess.
Tanzklaue
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Irreversible wrote:

i feel so stupid all the time i ask things like that XD
you do know that there is a rules thread stickied? with a link to a very useful wiki?

I mean, wtf, I looked up stuff for 2 weeks and lurked o going games before I joined this game. it's common sense that you read the rules to a game before you start playing it.
Raging Bull
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Honestly, I knew the general gameplay but not roles. I asked questions quite a bit in games. Nothing wrong with that really.




Also depending on what NoHitter flips. I'll shoot someone.

If NoHitter is town, I'll shoot rEdo
If NoHitter is scum, I'll shoot Hika
VoidnOwO
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:)
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Hika
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Actually, I was trying to save me some trouble (in case I was actually playing), by not letting anyone know that I was a power role. But in this case, I don't want my replacement to get lynched if they decide to take my place.
Claim: JK

There you have it, I am a power role, now do what you want to do.
fartownik
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Hika wrote:

Actually, I was trying to save me some trouble (in case I was actually playing), by not letting anyone know that I was a power role. But in this case, I don't want my replacement to get lynched if they decide to take my place.
Claim: JK

There you have it, I am a power role, now do what you want to do.
lol
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
and another role that wasn't mentioned in the original set up \:D/

how can this thing get even more confusing now?
VoidnOwO
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:)
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Tanzklaue
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so should we just lynch hika for the sake of it? town skewing the massclaim is actually worse than scum skewing the massclaim.

if hika even is town. which is doubtful, I think. if she really is town, though, then we have to deal with 2 mafia PRs. which is an entirely different pair of shoes.
Hika
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If you lynch me, it's town's loss. I have nothing further to say.
VoidnOwO
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:)
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Raging Bull
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K make this more confusing for me
Haneii
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BRBP wrote:

Actually one of my posts earlier took about 45 minutes to write only because I wasn't sure if I should say there might be a hidden PR or not.
I don't want to believe it's Hika though...
Yeah, I find it a bit difficult to believe mafia only chose 1 power :S

@ Hika: What was your plan when you decided to lie?
Hika
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My plan was this, I wanted to be able to survive the next couple of days and nights in order to block any threats to town. I'm pretty sure it was going to be hard D1 and N1 because we don't have enough leads just yet.

Since I've been occupied, I haven't been really looking here much until yesterday, realizing that I needed a replacement but only to come back to what seemed like everyone wanted to lynch me. I want town to win, not a loss, so I'm going to try and play a bit more actively before my replacement comes in. I don't know how long that will take but I'm waiting for it.

Back to the point, if you lynch me and if it soothes you all to see me flip town after lynching, go for it, but you've lost an extra PR.
Hika
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Also, I'm pretty sure I was going to be targeted for claiming JK if I claimed it at the beginning.
Hika
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EBWOP: And I don't mean claim JK, I just mean claiming a PR in general.
fartownik
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I must say this claim is pretty convenient for the current situation. However, the majority of votes is still on NH so there was technically no threat for her at the moment, she could've claimed it later if there was a need, this leans more for a Town lie. However x2, she jumped with it right after RB mentioned he might kill her tonight if NH flips scum. Possible scumpartners of NH and Hika? Maaybe, but it'd be a little too easy imo (NH is not stupid, I doubt he would make a slip like this if he was scum [unless it was just Hika's slip, but I also doubt she'd make the decision to claim only by herself]). Also it was still 50/50 risk that BRBP is a PR that Hika fakeclaims (or more because someone might've lied, LIECEPTION?), so this argument is also for a Town lie.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue

BRBP wrote:

JK actually cancels out the rolecop that mafia was able to pick, so it sort of makes sense.
But she's had a lot of time to think about that as well, and there might be experienced mafia who told her to say that of course.

I'll put this on the table: I'm not a JK


It's also intresting to see Tanz hop from NH to Hika.
oh, I'm still on NH. if I wouldn't, I already unvoted him and voted hika. but hika definetly rose in my suspicions.

if she survives the first day and gets a replacement, it surely will be interesting to see how the replacement will deal with this situation.
fartownik
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@Hika: but we all risked being targeted by claiming our PRs, it was literally the same risk for everyone of us is going to be killed tonight. Not sure what's your base of the paranoia that you will be the one killed at the night.
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:)
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Haneii
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fartownik wrote:

@Hika: but we all risked being targeted by claiming our PRs, it was literally the same risk for everyone of us is going to be killed tonight. Not sure what's your base of the paranoia that you will be the one killed at the night
I agree with fartownik here. 3 people claimed PR before it got to you lying about yours. Why did you think you'd be targeted first of?


Hika wrote:

My plan was this, I wanted to be able to survive the next couple of days and nights in order to block any threats to town. I'm pretty sure it was going to be hard D1 and N1 because we don't have enough leads just yet.
Didn't you think your inactivity + empty contributions would be counterproductive to your self-preservation plan?
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue

fartownik wrote:

@Hika: but we all risked being targeted by claiming our PRs, it was literally the same risk for everyone of us is going to be killed tonight. Not sure what's your base of the paranoia that you will be the one killed at the night.
basically, the reasons are those that I brought up as counterargument against the massclaim, I believe. such as "knowing who the PR is more helpful for scum than it is for us" and "losing PR is hurtful for town".

still, when the massclaim was finished, she should've directly claimed PR, because lying town at that point helped noone except scum. of course she didn't really watch the game (or care for it), so she didn't claim PR. which leaves us with a "maybe" for her status as PR, and a big "yay" for scum, as they now know all the PRs, while town has to fight against the odds of lying town.
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oh mah gawd Hika claimed JK in the last moment, I agree with her reasons for stay hidden in the crowd, but her attitude is quite contradictory, she got by herself many FoS and now it seems to trying to shake them off, she's quite suspicious to me by doing so, I can't trust her given this situation, she wasn't even in danger (tied with NH).

This is why I didn't like too much NH's plan, even town wouldn't want to cooperate, not saying that Hika is town, but scum would put this as an excuse and try to look as a lying townie, making it harder to find sure scum.

Hika and NH may be scum, but not together. Posting more in a moment, I need to structure better some thoughts I have.
Hika
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I just ignored the last couple of posts to say 'lynch me'. So do it if you guys are completely paranoid? I certainly can't be anti-town for suggesting that, due to the fact I can't convince anyone. You could possibly get someone who is also a PR to confirm with me by breadcrumbing or saying something similar to my pm.

And Haneii, that was IF I was playing actively, which I did not decide to do because I'm busy doing other things. I'll be sure to keep out of future games for the next couple of months when I'm not so busy in order to save whichever faction I'm on the trouble. It's safe to say that I'd have had a more successful run if I was playing actively.
Hika
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Also farto, I'm not ignorant enough to claim, given the fact that us PRs are equal in getting NK'd. I think I'm a pretty important role myself so why not keep myself hidden?
Irreversible
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Irreversible
I can't understand how people can get suspicious with posting less, I mean what if they are really busy in real.
Tanzklaue
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Irreversible wrote:

I can't understand how people can get suspicious with posting less, I mean what if they are really busy in real.
scum normally lurks or tends to lurk because they have practically no motivation to post. they don't have to scumhunt, and going on the "scumhunt" may let you slip, so yea, if someone is superlurky/inactive, he probably is scum. and even if he isn't, then you still lynched just a lurker, who didn't contribute anyway.
fartownik
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Hika wrote:

Also farto, I'm not ignorant enough to claim, given the fact that us PRs are equal in getting NK'd. I think I'm a pretty important role myself so why not keep myself hidden?
Because we all agreed to claim, simply because of that. Your action had its pluses ('had' because I don't see any of them at this very moment), I can't deny that, but it also skewed our numbers of Mafia's PRs (we thought Mafia only picked 1 option, now we might guess they picked 2) and confused us right now if you're truly Town, making it more anti-town.
fartownik
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EBWOP: Watcher, Vigilante - both are also very powerful roles, I'd even say a Watcher is more dangerous for scum than a Jailkeeper.
Irreversible
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Irreversible

Tanzklaue wrote:

Irreversible wrote:

I can't understand how people can get suspicious with posting less, I mean what if they are really busy in real.
scum normally lurks or tends to lurk because they have practically no motivation to post. they don't have to scumhunt, and going on the "scumhunt" may let you slip, so yea, if someone is superlurky/inactive, he probably is scum. and even if he isn't, then you still lynched just a lurker, who didn't contribute anyway.
that's true, but this game is actually like 'i'm town, believe me and don't kill me' because otherwise town wouldn't win the game - so if you were town you wouldn't be like 'oh nvm, we killed a lurker, doesn't matter if he's town or not' or am I wrong? (well i know for scum it's better to kill town.. ahh i'm confused by my own thoughts, op)
Sakura
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Vote Count 1.09

NoHitter (4) - Irreversible, BRBP, Tanzklaue, rEdo
Hika (3) - Haneii, NoHitter, fartownik

Not Voting (6) - Jinxy, Rantai, DakeDekaane, Hika, Raging Bull

With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Please let me know if you see any mistakes.
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Irreversible
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Irreversible

BRBP wrote:

Time is running out ._.
worried about nohitter? or why do you care about that, you already setted your vote oô
Sakura
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pieguy1372 replaces Hika effective immediately

If pieguy wants he may request deadline to be extended by up to 2 days to give them time to read the thread.
fartownik
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Welcome, pieguy. Your view on the current situation would be quite useful.
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