Implying new combo modding isn't important ... ?Zarerion wrote:
Exactly. If such a system exists, it should not favor the "NC here" modders
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This. Combos have a very large affect on how people interpret flow, rhythm and patterns in a map. Do not discredit them.GladiOol wrote:
Implying new combo modding isn't important ... ?Zarerion wrote:
Exactly. If such a system exists, it should not favor the "NC here" modders
(although I think what he's referring to are people who just put "NC" 5 times and call it a good mod which is kind of silly)
Basically if one follows the modding queue, he/she would get a decent/fairly good rating if he/she mods well.
But if a user mods songs not in the queue well, reason for doing so being because he has decided he/she wants to choose the songs to mod, he/she does not get as much of a good rating as the former user. He/she would get less privileges as a modder, it seems unfair.
But if a user mods songs not in the queue well, reason for doing so being because he has decided he/she wants to choose the songs to mod, he/she does not get as much of a good rating as the former user. He/she would get less privileges as a modder, it seems unfair.
I think a lot of people here are missing the point:
This queue is designed to help mappers get maps ranked. If modders are willing to participate, they have an easier time obtaining certain privileges.
If you decide not to participate, you are not hurt in any way. However, if you obtained the same privileges by not participating, then it would defeat the whole purpose of the queue, leaving the situation the same as it is currently.
This queue is designed to help mappers get maps ranked. If modders are willing to participate, they have an easier time obtaining certain privileges.
If you decide not to participate, you are not hurt in any way. However, if you obtained the same privileges by not participating, then it would defeat the whole purpose of the queue, leaving the situation the same as it is currently.
No, but a good modder should not only focus on that, but also analyze the rhythm, the flow, readbility, spacing, etc.GladiOol wrote:
Implying new combo modding isn't important ... ?Zarerion wrote:
Exactly. If such a system exists, it should not favor the "NC here" modders
I don't consider a pure NC modder to be qualified to nominate maps any more than modders who actually check the whole map.
Also what Silynn said.
50+: Ability to nominate map for qualification.Silynn wrote:
I think a lot of people here are missing the point:
This queue is designed to help mappers get maps ranked. If modders are willing to participate, they have an easier time obtaining certain privileges.
If you decide not to participate, you are not hurt in any way. However, if you obtained the same privileges by not participating, then it would defeat the whole purpose of the queue, leaving the situation the same as it is currently.
100+: Ability to upvote helpful mod posts on any map
If by not participating in the queue and you mod elsewhere and some way or another, you are unable to get a score high enough for some abilities such as these, isn't it hurtful? If the same number of mods you do elsewhere is equal to that if you mod in the queue.
You do realize that if a map they nominated is deemed subpar for ranking, they'll lose a shitton of points? People nominating maps with no idea of what they are actually doing are gonna be weeded out in due time.Zarerion wrote:
I don't consider a pure NC modder to be qualified to nominate maps any more than modders who actually check the whole map.
If you aren't helping the community, why do you deserve those privileges?neonat wrote:
If by not participating in the queue and you mod elsewhere and some way or another, you are unable to get a score high enough for some abilities such as these, isn't it hurtful? If the same number of mods you do elsewhere is equal to that if you mod in the queue.
You have to put in effort to get something back. If you do proper modding through the queue, it does not take very much to get to the point requirement for nominations and you can mod whatever you like after.
If you want to mod whatever you like, then you can still obtain those privileges, just at a much slower pace.
There has to be some incentive for people to mod properly through this queue, otherwise it will be pointless.
Remember: this design is not based around modders, but mappers. It is, I think, a good start to addressing the current problems and walls most people run into in their attempts to rank maps.
Please take in mind that BATs will still be able to penalize bad mod posts, and considering there will be a limit on the number of qualified maps and the maps dont get ranked by a BAT saying yes, but more like some time passing without a BAT saying no, all maps and their threads will have a chance to be reviewed by every team member.
This idea is awesome! 
Oh, and I'm in the modder ranking. O.O <3
Oh, and I'm in the modder ranking. O.O <3
I don't think this will realy help mappers. If I understand correctly, you have to wait a long time without updating and without mods for the map to go up in the queue. Now imagine that it takes near 1 month to go to the top of the queue. When 1 month lasted since your last update a modder is assigned by the queue to your map. You apply the mod and the map go back in the bottom of the queue. So you wasted 1 month for getting only a single mod ? And dont say about actual "modding queues" when this will come, most modders may chose to use it to gain the nominating ability faster, letting mappers alone.
I also have a question : What will append to "low skilled modders" ? Imagine you want to mod a map. Actualy you download the map, and try to mod it. If you can't mod it because you find no issues with it you just download another one and try again. With this system, if the assignied map is too good for you, you must mod?? Then you'll post useless things or simply say "I'm sorry this map is too good for my modding level" in map thread ? Also what will append if a guy is not confident into his modding skill and have the ability to nominate a map? Must he nominate if he fond nothing ?
I also have a question : What will append to "low skilled modders" ? Imagine you want to mod a map. Actualy you download the map, and try to mod it. If you can't mod it because you find no issues with it you just download another one and try again. With this system, if the assignied map is too good for you, you must mod?? Then you'll post useless things or simply say "I'm sorry this map is too good for my modding level" in map thread ? Also what will append if a guy is not confident into his modding skill and have the ability to nominate a map? Must he nominate if he fond nothing ?
Old mappers: Haha I love this new system you see I have many stars I just need to spam shoot my map then hundreds of modders come to mod my map
New mappers: Where can I find the modders? Why do they refuse my in-game/pm/facebook/qq/any-other-approaches mod request?
Lazy modders: hahaha I love this system I only need to spam "1 grid up" and I can get bunches of EXP, and I can vote maps and unvote maps as I wish
Serious modders: what I have to mod songs and maps I don't like? goodbye
EDIT: Just want to say, mod from queue and non-queue should have same EXP. More EXP does not inspire better mods. The queue and random mod session should just be a way to help modders find potential modding-worth maps. Also, skipping a map should not have such a huge penalty. I think -2, even -1 is good enough as a penalty.
New mappers: Where can I find the modders? Why do they refuse my in-game/pm/facebook/qq/any-other-approaches mod request?
Lazy modders: hahaha I love this system I only need to spam "1 grid up" and I can get bunches of EXP, and I can vote maps and unvote maps as I wish
Serious modders: what I have to mod songs and maps I don't like? goodbye
EDIT: Just want to say, mod from queue and non-queue should have same EXP. More EXP does not inspire better mods. The queue and random mod session should just be a way to help modders find potential modding-worth maps. Also, skipping a map should not have such a huge penalty. I think -2, even -1 is good enough as a penalty.
Flower wrote:
Old mappers: Haha I love this new system you see I have many stars I just need to spam shoot my map then hundreds of modders come to mod my map It's been already said, that star system will be phased out.
New mappers: Where can I find the modders? Why do they refuse my in-game/pm/facebook/qq/any-other-approaches mod request? You don't need to look for modders, modders will come to you
Lazy modders: hahaha I love this system I only need to spam "1 grid up" and I can get bunches of EXP, and I can vote maps and unvote maps as I wish You can downvote those modders.
Serious modders: what I have to mod songs and maps I don't like? goodbye You're not here to mod the songs you like, but to help people.
Marcin wrote:
It's been already said, that star system will be phased out. OK then
You don't need to look for modders, modders will come to you No, seriously. Many months after you find you get approximately mod every month just because demand exceeds supply
You can downvote those modders. Don't joke me bro. It's nearly impossible to track a modder. Do you volunteer to do this?
You're not here to mod the songs you like, but to help people. No bro, NO. Many, many modders mod a map because they hope the map can be ranked. If a modder don't like the map, is it still their compulsion to mod it?
If you want to mod maps you like, go ahead and do that.Flower wrote:
No bro, NO. Many, many modders mod a map because they hope the map can be ranked. If a modder don't like the map, is it still their compulsion to mod it?
That is not the purpose of the new modding queue system. If you don't want to mod within this system, you don't have to.
The system is not the only way to actively participate in the modding and ranking of beatmaps. It is an attempt at fixing many of the problems mappers face when attempting to rank maps. Not everyone has limitless connections, or the free time to do 10 M4Ms, or wait for a BAT queue to open.
Please realize that it is not compulsory, but you can help people and receive benefits by participating.
Kodora
And? +10 still bigger than downvotes. Lazy modders can mod thousand maps from queue and reseive super high priority. Who the hell will search specially bad mods in thousands threads?. It is just wasting the time.Marcin wrote:
You can downvote those modders.
If you doing job what you dont like it will affect the quality, remember it. And this related not only with osu.Marcin wrote:
You're not here to mod the songs you like, but to help people.
Anyway, i still thinking that this queue is too nazi. I suggest let modders choose at least 4 high-priority maps before skipping because noone really will click those button. Quality of mods is most important as for me.
just because you don't like a map/song doesn't mean you still can't give a constructive mod (you just have to put more effort into it)
and as countless other people have said, you can still mod the maps you want
and as countless other people have said, you can still mod the maps you want
Almost totally agree with you, but the systems will distract modders only receiving mods from forum queue, pm request, etc. That's why I suggest reducing the difference from queue and non-queue mods.Silynn wrote:
If you want to mod maps you like, go ahead and do that.Flower wrote:
No bro, NO. Many, many modders mod a map because they hope the map can be ranked. If a modder don't like the map, is it still their compulsion to mod it?
That is not the purpose of the new modding queue system. If you don't want to mod within this system, you don't have to.
Please realize that it is not compulsory, but you can help people and receive benefits by participating.
For example, we can adjust to:
non-queue mods
- 2 points for first post
- 0.6 points for other posts
Yes, we can. However when we find a map with no unrankable issue, and is really ready for rank, but the general mapping attitude is not satisfyting, if it get ranked, the player rate can be low. I think if you can't avoid modding the map, you may just say "remap please because the map is not satisfying", which may reduce your modder rating.apaffy wrote:
just because you don't like a map/song doesn't mean you still can't give a constructive mod (you just have to put more effort into it)
and as countless other people have said, you can still mod the maps you want
Deni
Kodora
You don't need to actively search or bad modders; just poke them when you see them (either in your own map thread, or when you're modding a map). If everyone does this, they'll be found.
The major flaw with the current system is the fact that a large portion of people pick and choose which maps they want to mod, leaving a lot of maps unmodded for ages, and eventually graved.Deni wrote:
If you mod the maps you want to mod, you still help people the same. I think it's pretty strange that you will get less "points" for modding an other map.
If there were no benefits to modding a random map, then why would the new system have any effect on the situation?
The system has a shortage. Some people may freely poke the modders having critical mods which is actually useful. Also people may frame-up innocent modders using this system. BAT may be responsible making a recheck on bad-modder-report, but it takes a lot of work, and still not quite efficient.CXu wrote:
You don't need to actively search or bad modders; just poke them when you see them (either in your own map thread, or when you're modding a map). If everyone does this, they'll be found.
I love how you guys completely ignored my post.
That is % off your experience, i am pretty sure BATs will have enough time to check at least the daily nominated maps and their threads, and every single BAT will have time to go through a map and it's thread, before it becomes ranked.
That is % off your experience, i am pretty sure BATs will have enough time to check at least the daily nominated maps and their threads, and every single BAT will have time to go through a map and it's thread, before it becomes ranked.
Kodora
Wow, I didn't even notice that. 30% total is a bit high.Sakura wrote:
I love how you guys completely ignored my post.
That is % off your experience, i am pretty sure BATs will have enough time to check at least the daily nominated maps and their threads, and every single BAT will have time to go through a map and it's thread, before it becomes ranked.
If any modder feels they have been wrongly downvoted, I assume they may contact any one of the staff members and have it sorted out within minutes.Flower wrote:
The system has a shortage. Some people may freely poke the modders having critical mods which is actually useful. Also people may frame-up innocent modders using this system. BAT may be responsible making a recheck on bad-modder-report, but it takes a lot of work, and still not quite efficient.
Seems efficient to me.
The queue is what gives the mappers their chance, not the other way around.Kodora wrote:
Second thing: as for me modding points from queue maps should be redused to as least +5, it looks super unbalanced for now, people will mod only maps from queue instead others. All mappers should have chance i think.
I personnally think it will just be messed up.
I prefer how it is right now..
I prefer how it is right now..
What does that do?Sakura wrote:
I love how you guys completely ignored my post.
That is % off your experience, i am pretty sure BATs will have enough time to check at least the daily nominated maps and their threads, and every single BAT will have time to go through a map and it's thread, before it becomes ranked.
The first one: qualified modders will not be courageous nominating maps that does not violate the criteria but is controversial in certain patterns. also, this discourages people from making creative maps.
The second one: what if the modder just passes by a map and the mapper is new and accidentally gives the modder a kudosu?
I like how the modding/ranking process becomes a bit organized~ (and less relationship based)
big improvement imo
big improvement imo
For the 2nd one, i think the mapper should have an "undo" button in case they misclicked.
Yes that works often, but mostly the mapper does not know which posts should be given kudosu. Further more, which one should be given penalty? I think in most cases the "modder" does not make any fault. The BAT should be authorised to decide whether they will give the penalty and who will they give.Sakura wrote:
For the 2nd one, i think the mapper should have an "undo" button in case they misclicked.
Kodora
I somehow do not agree with the mapper not being able to update after moving to pending maps though. :/
Kodora
Good points, I agree there should be an option to penalize and an option to just reset, tho which one is used should be left at the judgement of the BAT, mapper can also have an undo button just in case they misclick or something.
Kodora
Nice, this means that if I pm someone to mod my map or even do m4m they will probably reject because my map won't give many points \:D/
Nice nice, I hope there will be the good and serious modders who will keep modding on their accord
At least they still have the option the follow or not the queue
The only thing I ask: don't force people to use this unless you want the real modders/mappers/people who give a shit about this game to leave.
Good luck, farming modders.
Btw, what if I downvote someone's mod just because I don't like them? I hope someone will punish me for doing this, at least.
Nice nice, I hope there will be the good and serious modders who will keep modding on their accord
At least they still have the option the follow or not the queue
The only thing I ask: don't force people to use this unless you want the real modders/mappers/people who give a shit about this game to leave.
Good luck, farming modders.
Btw, what if I downvote someone's mod just because I don't like them? I hope someone will punish me for doing this, at least.
I don't know what to think of this system really.
I think it is good that the current system will be changed but on the other hand I am way to used to it... I guess.
I don't really care if a map that I mod gets ranked or not so I won't be one of those who nominate anything (if I understood it correctly ^^)
I guess I am not sure about it since I only mod for 2 reasons:
Helping others
getting kudosu
dunno what will happen ^^ So I just let it come :>
I think it is good that the current system will be changed but on the other hand I am way to used to it... I guess.
I don't really care if a map that I mod gets ranked or not so I won't be one of those who nominate anything (if I understood it correctly ^^)
Helping others
getting kudosu
dunno what will happen ^^ So I just let it come :>