Friends scores on maps and ratings [added]

Sakura

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Sakura 2012-06-16T15:08:05+00:00

No because you normally only see 1st, 37th, 38th, 39th, 40th, Your best, Current.

If a friend isnt in any of those you wont see it until you get higher than 40th so it shifts a bit and so on, i'd prefer that it only shows your friends position (on top 40) if this is implemented, which is what i think peppy was proposing, also adding a toggle of course, for those that want to see the old behavior.

theowest

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theowest 2012-06-16T16:41:17+00:00

well you still can't watch their replay if they're under top 40.

but I'm more interested in this: t/87490

Why not have both?

Sakura

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Sakura 2012-06-16T16:45:19+00:00

Yeah, but filtering top 40 to only display friends is what im talking about (didn't peppy say something similar in here? i cant seem to find the post).

Edit: @theowest: I meant mid-play.

theowest

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theowest 2012-06-16T16:47:10+00:00

oh. well that will most certainly make the list smaller and easier for you to scroll through

WASSHOI

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WASSHOI 2012-06-16T19:11:06+00:00

I support this idea. When you're newer to the game you don't particularly get that competitive feel, but starting up with friends and seeing a friend ranking fixes that. It's even better if it's multiple friends. Imagine a small community like a forum with on Osu thread in off topic, they friend each other and just wanna keep tabs on each other's scored without manually posting their scored in the thread.

I'm sure there are a lot of people who aren't interested in the top 40, but would be interested in having a scoreboard of their 20 mutual friends to compete with. Having to manually manage scores makes it too much of a hassle to be fun.

As for stalking people's scores, you could just have it work for just mutual friends. It also doesn't help that you don't get a notification when people request you as a friend for you to accept, they can just add you without your knowledge. Friend system in general seems in need of tweaking, but perhaps that's for a different time.

peppy

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Here since the beginning

peppy 2012-06-16T19:12:27+00:00

I am hoping to address this in a round-about way in the future. For now, due to my previously mentioned reasons, it is not possible.

mmstick wrote:
I don't see how this would be intensive to implement, plenty of other games do this. One way would be to store all scores on a server, only keeping the highest score a user makes and the client simply grabs the data from the website database in real-time (similar to embedding a frame of a webpage). Another way would be for the clients to individually ask other clients for their highest local scores to sync with and promptly attempt to sync with friends clients when a new high score is obtained.

You need an index per-user per-beatmap ordered by score. As this information is obviously not stored in a single table, it means duplicating a lot of data, which all needs to be updated on a regular basis. Making this an efficient lookup is one of the most challenging query types for a database. It of course can be done, but requires a lot of optimisation, consideration and storage space.

Your solutions may sound simple to you, but aren't actually feasible due to over-simplication (suggestion 1) or incorrect approach (suggestion 2).

asdsasd123

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asdsasd123 2012-06-17T06:33:23+00:00

definitely a great idea....
tired of going through asking friends their ranks/scores
kinda annoying

theowest

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theowest 2012-06-17T14:50:55+00:00

This looks awesome for now:

SPOILER

Minty Gum

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Minty Gum 2012-06-21T06:43:07+00:00

This sounds fun... it would add something new to regular gameplay for me. Make things a bit more spicy

lavalake

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lavalake 2012-06-30T04:54:13+00:00

I had the same idea. I do support this idea, but this will be kind of hard to make.

peppy wrote:
I am hoping to address this in a round-about way in the future. For now, due to my previously mentioned reasons, it is not possible.

mmstick wrote:
I don't see how this would be intensive to implement, plenty of other games do this. One way would be to store all scores on a server, only keeping the highest score a user makes and the client simply grabs the data from the website database in real-time (similar to embedding a frame of a webpage). Another way would be for the clients to individually ask other clients for their highest local scores to sync with and promptly attempt to sync with friends clients when a new high score is obtained.
You need an index per-user per-beatmap ordered by score. As this information is obviously not stored in a single table, it means duplicating a lot of data, which all needs to be updated on a regular basis. Making this an efficient lookup is one of the most challenging query types for a database. It of course can be done, but requires a lot of optimisation, consideration and storage space.

Your solutions may sound simple to you, but aren't actually feasible due to over-simplication (suggestion 1) or incorrect approach (suggestion 2).

This is kind of confusing to me. Whatever confusing must be hard, right?

[Zappy]

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[Zappy] 2012-09-17T15:40:15+00:00

Support

+2

Skyara

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Skyara 2012-10-14T10:40:20+00:00

We can see when our friends are in the rank, so why can't we just make a filter for "yellow players" who are in the #400 ? I don't know if this is possible with those who are not :/

Soner Wolf

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Soner Wolf 2012-10-14T19:16:01+00:00

This is a wonderful idea! I actually wondering why something like this didn't exist when I first started playing a year ago. although I wasn't on the forums much, and didn't know you could make feature requests. I hope this gets added!

jabberwockey

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jabberwockey 2012-10-15T08:17:57+00:00

I support this, however if you learned how databases are made/how to make one it's going to be very difficult.
I'm trying to write a process tree down and it's giving me a headache

ann_old

ann_old 2012-10-15T10:03:22+00:00

I'd love it.
Support!

- Akari -_old

- Akari -_old 2012-10-16T10:25:06+00:00

It could just be a client-side ranking filter that shows only friends scores.

Synthox_old

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Synthox_old 2012-10-22T23:58:04+00:00

+1

XGeneral2000

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XGeneral2000 2012-10-26T22:28:26+00:00

If a full-blown friends scoreboard is not feasible right now, maybe we could at least get a filter for the top 400 (so it would only show those yellow names + their song rank)? Most of my friends would show up, but it's a little tedious to scroll through all 10 pages just to check if my friends are on it. I don't think that would be too difficult, would it?

The scoreboard's gotten way better lately in any case. Top 400 + mods + accuracy + relative rank is awesome.

Uncle Buly

Uncle Buly 2012-11-16T10:54:32+00:00

yes!!

marme358

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marme358 2012-12-09T12:01:42+00:00

This is something I really miss in this game, some way to compare to friends...

Kairi

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Kairi 2012-12-10T20:58:59+00:00

+2

Yarissa

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Yarissa 2012-12-11T04:14:51+00:00

If I had stars I would add them to this. I'd know which of my friends I had highscores and which I wanted to beat this way.

she_old

she_old 2012-12-11T10:06:15+00:00

Kaoru wrote:
If I had stars I would add them to this. I'd know which of my friends I had highscores and which I wanted to beat this way.

I'd hunt your weak scores down

Yarissa

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Yarissa 2012-12-11T10:27:54+00:00

loseri wrote:
Kaoru wrote:
If I had stars I would add them to this. I'd know which of my friends I had highscores and which I wanted to beat this way.
I'd hunt your weak scores down

As would I

she_old

she_old 2012-12-11T11:11:59+00:00

Kaoru wrote:
As would I

GL! I barely have any scores!

endlessHorizon

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endlessHorizon 2012-12-13T19:23:56+00:00

One of the biggest features missing at the moment!

El SolarBeam

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El SolarBeam 2012-12-30T08:10:08+00:00

well, I want to hunt someone's score down as well >:D

+2

Oinari-sama

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Oinari-sama 2012-12-30T10:47:01+00:00

Good idea! This will raise the competitive spirit amongst friends & foes.

Coincidentally I proposed to have your own score displayed while spectating another player in this thread. The 2 ideas will work well for a stalker...err I mean friends, friends!

Remigius

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Remigius 2012-12-30T19:04:28+00:00

Sounds nice.

Now only if I had friends to be competitive with.

nutnnut

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nutnnut 2013-01-01T15:24:26+00:00

Support!

ieb

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ieb 2013-01-14T11:10:37+00:00

Support! That will be great!

Dustice

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Dustice 2013-01-14T13:32:05+00:00

good idea... support x3

Primula_old

Primula_old 2013-01-15T04:23:30+00:00

Very much want this, my main motivation when playing this game is to beat my friends. >-<!

420Guy

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420Guy 2013-01-17T01:35:57+00:00

+4

Lanturn

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Lanturn 2013-01-18T00:07:42+00:00

+4 stars.. This is all I really look for when scrolling through the scores.. We already have the (Has Friends) thing, so why not make it that we can have just our friends scores shown.

Speedy J CheLioS

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Speedy J CheLioS 2013-01-18T00:56:04+00:00

+3 Come on Guys, just add this feature

Oinari-sama

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Oinari-sama 2013-01-18T02:10:45+00:00

People are still giving stars to this? Here's the bad news for those who didn't read whole thread:

peppy wrote:
I am hoping to address this in a round-about way in the future. For now, due to my previously mentioned reasons, it is not possible.

mmstick wrote:
I don't see how this would be intensive to implement, plenty of other games do this. One way would be to store all scores on a server, only keeping the highest score a user makes and the client simply grabs the data from the website database in real-time (similar to embedding a frame of a webpage). Another way would be for the clients to individually ask other clients for their highest local scores to sync with and promptly attempt to sync with friends clients when a new high score is obtained.
You need an index per-user per-beatmap ordered by score. As this information is obviously not stored in a single table, it means duplicating a lot of data, which all needs to be updated on a regular basis. Making this an efficient lookup is one of the most challenging query types for a database. It of course can be done, but requires a lot of optimisation, consideration and storage space.

Your solutions may sound simple to you, but aren't actually feasible due to over-simplication (suggestion 1) or incorrect approach (suggestion 2).

Mosti07

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Mosti07 2013-01-29T11:53:16+00:00

I hope this going to be fast in the change log

Kalle_old_1

Kalle_old_1 2013-01-30T13:33:10+00:00

peppy wrote:
I am hoping to address this in a round-about way in the future. For now, due to my previously mentioned reasons, it is not possible.

mmstick wrote:
I don't see how this would be intensive to implement, plenty of other games do this. One way would be to store all scores on a server, only keeping the highest score a user makes and the client simply grabs the data from the website database in real-time (similar to embedding a frame of a webpage). Another way would be for the clients to individually ask other clients for their highest local scores to sync with and promptly attempt to sync with friends clients when a new high score is obtained.
You need an index per-user per-beatmap ordered by score. As this information is obviously not stored in a single table, it means duplicating a lot of data, which all needs to be updated on a regular basis. Making this an efficient lookup is one of the most challenging query types for a database. It of course can be done, but requires a lot of optimisation, consideration and storage space.

Your solutions may sound simple to you, but aren't actually feasible due to over-simplication (suggestion 1) or incorrect approach (suggestion 2).

I might not understood the whole problem, but how about having a "Show friends scores" button for each beatmap in the client, which then downloads the full rankings for said map and parses the info in the clients own computer?

Winshley

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Winshley 2013-01-31T05:48:41+00:00

Kalle wrote:
I might not understood the whole problem, but how about having a "Show friends scores" button for each beatmap in the client, which then downloads the full rankings for said map and parses the info in the clients own computer?

It still requires downloading info from leaderboard beforehand, no?

Imagine million of users trying to fetch the leaderboard from the server...

This idea is interesting, which I support. But we need an efficient method so that it doesn't take too much server load.

Kalle_old_1

Kalle_old_1 2013-01-31T13:09:58+00:00

Winshley wrote:
Kalle wrote:
I might not understood the whole problem, but how about having a "Show friends scores" button for each beatmap in the client, which then downloads the full rankings for said map and parses the info in the clients own computer?
It still requires downloading info from leaderboard beforehand, no?

Imagine million of users trying to fetch the leaderboard from the server...

This idea is interesting, which I support. But we need an efficient method so that it doesn't take too much server load.

But only if user pushes the button to check, it wouldn't happen automatically, which would drastically reduce the traffic. can't really think about better method mainly because my understanding about programming is very minor.

[Joker]

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[Joker] 2013-02-14T00:30:26+00:00

Supporting wish i had stars though

Dooms

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Dooms 2013-03-13T19:48:33+00:00

How about making it a feature on the website?

You have the check box for no mod plays only... Add one for friends only?

I'm no programmer, so I have no idea how this would work, but it sounds easier than doing it through the osu program.

Unbr34k4bl3

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Unbr34k4bl3 2013-03-14T19:53:35+00:00

Supporting! It's a cool idea!

Francis

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Francis 2013-03-21T15:07:38+00:00

This saves up so much time.
Wish I could support this but I have no votes